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gruevy
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I was just reading Tor's submission guidelines, and you are only supposed to submit the first three chapters and a good, solid outline. Does that mean you can submit a book that's not completely written yet, or should you be completely done with it before you send it in?
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Oh, my god! Somebody actually posted over here! Its been a while. I can't answer your question but maybe my posting will draw someone who can.

I do have an understanding that the book does not in fact have to be completed. That's what seems to be implied, anyway. I thought, you send in a few chapters then, if they like it, a contract is drawn up. I don't actually KNOW this, but this is what it SEEMS like to me.

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You should finish the manuscript first. By which I mean, completely and totally a final draft. If they like your first three chapters, they will ask for the rest of it, and if the rest of it is not as good as the first three chapters, it will be rejected. They might still reject it anyway, in fact probably will just because of the sheer volume of material they receive. But sending queries and outlines out when the thing's not actually finished will give you a bad rep.
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I suppose they reserve the big advances for writers they have developed a relationship with.
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Ya, it seemed like it should be done. I guess I'll send the first 3 chapters when I'm close enough that by the 4-6 month reply time, I'll be done [Smile]
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You really should finish the book first. Besides, if they like it, you'll want an agent to rep you, and to get one you'll probably need to finish it anyway.
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So- do submission need to be books only? Are screenplays and scripts accepted?
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Hel-lo?

Anybody out there?

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You're talking at Tor? Or where? AFAIK Tor only publishes books, so they wouldn't want any submissions of other material.
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Drew_Wight,

I assume that you mean submissions to the Ornery Writer's Workshop? It hasn't exactly been very active lately. If you meant submissions to some publication somewhere, then I suppose that it would depend on the nature of the specific market.

If there is enough interest to get OWW started again, we really should do so. I even have time to actually participate now.

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I'd like to get OWW going again, personally. after getting to know the folks on Ornery, I'm really interested to read the characters that all the characters write... [Smile]
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OWW is languishing for lack of submissions. Elsewise, it's alive and well.

Submissions should be emailed to dissidentzyne@gmail.com .

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I would have said you had to finish the book a couple of weeks ago, but a guy in another forum sold his sci-fi novel to a UK company based on a proposal and sci-fi mag credentials.

It wasn't anything as big as Tor though.

I'm in the process of querying myself. the rule is, generally, you have to have a finished novel unless you are a published novelist. And, even then, you may need a full manuscript.

Non-fiction is different. You can sell that based on a proposal.

[ March 05, 2008, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: UberDog ]

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