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RickyB
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Cholesterol clogs arteries. Clogged arteries = heart disease. My father had open heart surgery necessitated by a diet over-rich in yummy cholesterol. His arterial sclerosis, if memory serves, was attributed to same.
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Ricky - you are reciting the meme's that have become widespread and accepted as "facts" but they haven't been proven.

Doctors and autopsy look at a person with clogged arteries (clogged with cholesterol clots) and say "cholesterol" causes heart disease. This is why I've called it "politically incorrect nutrtion." As in, "Not accepted by the mainstream."

Funny thing is, when on looks at all of the indigenous populations that Dr. Price studied, the native peoples that had diets that were heavy in cholesterol, they did NOT have heart disease amongst the populace...until they began eating western diets.

Now, an Inuit eating nothing but fish, seal and whale meat and blubber..that is eating a diet that is nothing BUT cholesterol...yet no clogged arteries, no heart disease.

That is, until they start eating processed foods and a Western "Civilization" diet.


Cholesterol is VITAL to a body's function. It is the building blocks you body uses to repair and maintain tissues.

If you cholesterol is too low, you will die. Too low cholesterol is far more dangerous than high cholesterol.

This is akin to pulling up to a burning building, looking at all the fireman all around it, and conclude that "Firemen cause building fires."

I'm kinda hammered with work right now...but when I get time, I will get more into the topic of cholesterol, and how eating cholesterol doesn't necessarily clog your arteries or contribute to heart disease.

Oh, and all of the links Ev provided...that is exactly what I'm talking about. Most of them are from agencies and orgs that have been compromised by the monetary interests involved in ensuring the status quo of ill health, mass profits for fake food sales, and dependence on pharmaceuticals for life.

In the meantime, for all of you still highly skeptical, I refer you to a book and various reviews:

The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov MD,PhD

Here's another website that has a pretty good run down The Cholesterol Myth

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

And here's a YouTube video: Exposing the Cholesterol Myth

These links notwithstanding, here's an excerpt that basically puts all of this into a nutshell:

Ending the Cholesterol-Heart Disease Myth

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In an 8-year long heart study, researchers observed 10,000 people with high cholesterol levels. Half of them received a best-selling statin drug. The other half were simply told to eat a normal diet and get enough exercise. The results stunned the researchers. Although the statin drug did indeed lower serum cholesterol, this had no impact whatsoever on death rate, non-fatal heart attacks and fatal arterial disease. In other words, the statin-users had zero advantage over those who received no treatment at all. However, they had just spent eight years taking a costly drug with hideous side effects - risking liver failure, muscle wasting, even sudden death. Lowering cholesterol either through drugs or low fat diets does not lower the risk of developing heart disease.

All the major European long-term cholesterol studies have confirmed that a low-fat diet did not reduce cholesterol levels by more than 4 percent, in most cases merely 1-2 percent. Since measurement mistakes are usually higher than 4 percent and cholesterol levels naturally increase by 20 percent in autumn and drop again during the wintertime, the anti-cholesterol campaigns since the late 1980s have been very misleading, to say the least. A more recent study from Denmark involving 20,000 men and women, in fact, demonstrated that most heart disease patients have normal cholesterol levels. The bottom line is that cholesterol hasn't been proved a risk factor for anything.

The current medical understanding of the cholesterol issue is more than incomplete. The argument that animal tests on rabbits have confirmed that fatty foods cause hardening of the arteries sounds convincing, but only when the following facts are omitted:

* Rabbits respond 3,000 times more sensitively to cholesterol than humans do.

* Rabbits, which are non-carnivorous animals by nature, are force-fed excessive quantities of egg yolk and brain for the sake of proving that cholesterol-containing foods are harmful.

* The DNA and enzyme systems of rabbits are not designed for consumption of fatty foods, and if given a choice, these animals would never eat eggs or brains.

It is obvious that the arteries of these animals have only an extremely limited ability to respond to the damage caused by such unsuitable diets. For over three and half decades, Western civilization assumed that animal fats were the main cause of dietary heart disease. This misinformation is highlighted by the fact that heart attacks began to rise when consumption of animal fats actually decreased. This was verified by British research, which revealed that those areas in the U.K. where people consumed more margarine and less butter had the highest numbers of heart attacks. Further studies revealed that heart attack patients had consumed the least amounts of animal fats.

In this context, it is important to differentiate between processed and unprocessed fats. It has been discovered that people who died from a heart attack were found to have many more of the harmful fatty acids derived from the partially hydrogenated vegetable oils in their fat tissue than those who survived. These so-called "faulty" fats (trans-fatty acids) envelop and congest the membranes of cells, including those that make up the heart and coronary arteries. This practically starves the cells of oxygen, nutrients, and water, and eventually kills them.

In another more comprehensive study, 85,000 nurses working in American hospitals observed a higher risk for heart disease in patients who consumed margarine, crisps, potato chips, biscuits, cookies, cakes, and white bread, all of which contain trans fats.

Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by 53 percent over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent Harvard Medical Study. While actually increasing LDL cholesterol, margarine lowers the beneficial HDL cholesterol. It also increases the risk of cancers up to five times. Margarine suppresses both the immune response and insulin response. This highly processed and artificial product is practically resistant to destruction, being one molecule away from plastic. Flies, bacteria, fungi, etc. won't go near it because it has no nutritional value and cannot be broken down by them. It can last for years, not just outside the body, but inside as well.

It is very apparent that eating damaged, rancid fats or trans-fats can destroy any healthy organism and should be avoided by anyone. In 2007 New York City banned the use of trans fats in its restaurants; however, the trans fats are merely being replaced with new artificial fats that have the same or worse effects.

Healthy Today - Sick Tomorrow

Unfortunately, high cholesterol (hypercholesterolemia) has become the dominating health concern of the 21st century. It is actually an invented disease that doesn't show up as one. Even the healthiest people may have elevated serum cholesterol and yet their health remains perfect. But they are instantly turned into patients when a routine blood test reveals that they have a "cholesterol problem."

Since feeling good is actually a symptom of high cholesterol, the cholesterol issue has confused millions of people. To be declared sick when you actually feel great is a hard nut to swallow. So it may take a lot of effort on behalf of a practicing physician to convince his patients that they are sick and need to take one or more expensive drugs for the rest of their lives. These healthy individuals may become depressed when they are being told they will need to take potentially harmful drugs to lower their cholesterol levels on a long-term, daily basis. When they also learn that they will require regular checkups and blood tests, their worry-free, good life is now over.

These doctors cannot be blamed for the blunder of converting healthy people into patients. Behind them stands the full force of the U.S. government, the media, the medical establishment, agencies, and of course, the pharmaceutical companies. All of them have collaborated to create relentless pressure in disseminating the cholesterol myth and convincing the population that high cholesterol is its number one enemy. We are told that we need to combat it by all means possible to keep us safe from the dreadful consequences of hypercholesterolemia.

The definition of a "healthy" level of cholesterol has been repeatedly adjusted during the past 30 years, which certainly does not give me much confidence in a system of medicine that professes to be founded on sound scientific principles. In the early days of measuring cholesterol levels, a person at risk was any middle-aged man whose cholesterol was over 240 and possessed other risk factors, such as smoking or being overweight.

After the adjustment of parameters during the Cholesterol Consensus Conference in 1984, the population was hit by a shock wave. Now, anyone (male or female) with overall cholesterol readings of 200 mg percent (200mg per 100 ml) could receive the dreaded diagnosis and a prescription for pills. The claim that 200 blood serum cholesterol is normal and everything above is dangerous was scientifically unfounded, though. At least, this was the consensus of all the major cholesterol studies. In fact, a report in a 1995 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association showed no evidence linking high cholesterol levels in women with heart conditions later in life.

Although it is considered completely normal for a 55-year-old woman to have a cholesterol level of 260 mg percent, most women that age are not told about this. Also healthy employees are found to have an average of 250 mg percent with high fluctuations in both directions.

The lack of evidence linking elevated cholesterol with increased risk of heart disease, however, didn't stop the brainwashing of the masses. In the U.S. 84 percent of all men and 93 percent of all women aged 50-59 with high cholesterol levels were suddenly told they needed treatment for heart disease. The totally unproved but aggressively promoted cholesterol theories turned most of us into patients for a disease that we probably will never develop. Fortunately, not everyone has followed the advice to have their cholesterol levels checked but, unfortunately, millions of people have fallen into the trap of misinformation.

To make matters worse, the official, acceptable cholesterol level has now been moved down to 180. If you have already had one heart attack, your cardiologist will tell you to take cholesterol-lowering statins even if your cholesterol is very low. From the viewpoint of conventional medicine, having a heart attack implies that your cholesterol must be too high. Hence you are being sentenced to a lifetime of statins and a boring low-fat diet. But even if you have not experienced any heart trouble yet, you are already being considered for possible treatment.

Since so many children now show signs of elevated cholesterol, we have a whole new generation of candidates for medical treatment. So yes, current edicts stipulate cholesterol testing and treatment for young adults and even children! The statin drugs that doctors use to push cholesterol levels down are LIPITOR (atorvastatin), Zocor (simvastatin), Mevacor (lovastatin), and Pravachol (pravastatin). If you decide to follow your doctor's advice and take one of these drugs, make certain to read the list of side effects so that you know the risks you are taking.

If you want to obtain objective and untainted information on cholesterol, agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the American College of Cardiology are certainly not the places from which to obtain it. Until recently, they wanted you to keep your overall cholesterol level below 150. Then, in 2001, they finally admitted that measuring overall cholesterol levels makes no sense at all, so they began recommending an LDL level below 100. Now their aim is to keep LDL lower than 70. Every time they lower the target, the number of "patients" requiring treatment jumps dramatically, much to the benefit of the drug producers. Being officially backed by these agencies, doctors feel motivated, if not obliged, to prescribe these expensive drugs to their new patients.

The extensive promotional campaigns by the pharmaceutical giants have already brainwashed the masses to believe they need these drugs to be safe from sudden heart attack. Even if a doctor knows the truth about the cholesterol deception, these anxious patients will demand a prescription from him. This is not just affecting their health, but everyone's economic future. The massive sales of these best-selling drugs of all time drive up health care costs to levels that undermine economic growth and make basic health care unaffordable to an ever-increasing number of people. The masses have been so brainwashed with misinformation that this lurking financial crisis doesn't seem to be their immediate concern.

In 2004, there were already 36 million statin candidates in the U.S., with 16 million using LIPITOR alone. When the official LDL target level drops to 70, another 5 million people will be eligible for their use. At the consumer markup price of $272.37 and an actual cost of $5.80 for a month supply of LIPITOR, you can understand the incentive that the pharmaceutical industry has to push their products and make them a mass commodity.



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Daruma28
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It's been almost a year since I made this thread...

...and it's been rather amusing and enlightening to re-read it again.

I'm curious if all my effort hear has been wasted?

Has it gotten through to anyone?

Has it least gotten anyone to question the conventional wisdom concerning diet and nutrition?

As for myself, I'm still effortlessly keeping the weight off, and have actually never felt better.

Oh, and since researching and writing all of this, I've since discovered a whole host of other resources regarding the kind of dietary lifestyle that has been life changing for myself.

Without even realizing it, I've basically adopted what is now being called a "Paleo" diet.

One of the foremost proponents of the high-fat/high-protein/low-carb "paleo" diet, is a Medical Doctor named Michael Eades.

He recently posted at his blog an entry he had regarding his experiences with his own weight problems...and how his experiences with 4 particular patients that finally convinced him that the standard medical establishments dietary advice was all wrong.

Read: Four Patients Who Changed My Life

You can also check out these websites as well - all offer corroboration to much of the concepts and ideas I wrote about here, as well as recipes, tips and advice.

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Aruma,

I read a lot here and am on the fringe. I am definitely opposed to abuse of antibiotics and do quite well without them. My father died from staph infections after hospital stays. MRSA is rising and doesn't seem to be contained.
We don't know as much as we think, neither with regards to climate, nor with regards to human physiology.
I believe in fever if it is monitored carefully. And I believe in fasting but only if done right. That means lots of liquids are needed with an occasional salt water wash.
I believe sugar is a big part of bad health, but I confess I don't like tea without it.

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From my own experience with eating and trying to be healthy, what Daruma is saying is very very accurate. Most of the ideas about fat, cholesterol, and carbs have been shown to be myths.

I'll have to paraphrase the part of an interview that really hit it home for me 6 or 7 years ago;

It makes sense to think that eating fat would make you fat. But it turns out it's not so. It's like saying "We know a guy who looks like a robber went into the bank, and we know that the bank was robbed, so that guy must be the guy who robbed the bank." It's a good starting point, but its not conclusive. And it turns out that the conclusions we drew from the indications about fat were wrong.

I wish I could find that interview, I don't think it's online anywhere, it was in a magazine...Men's health I think.

I eat 2-6 eggs per day, I don't ever skimp on the steak, butter, or seafood. My cholesterol is exactly where it should be, and my blood pressure is considered low. When I eat a lot more candy, alcohol, cakes, cookies and fast food, I gain a few pounds. When I cut that stuff out and eat foods with higher fat, higher protein and less carbs, I lose a few pounds.

These are the top ten foods I consider to be the healthiest. It is my personal opinion that if every one replaced one item they consume with one of these ( trade in soda for water, or popcorn for almonds for example ) they would not only feel better, they would be significantly better off. Daruma, I'd like to hear any comments you have on this list:

Salmon
Beef
Eggs
Spinach
Almonds
Olives
Olive oil
Water
Blueberries
Greek Yogurt ( even though it's high in sugar, the other benefits make it more than worth it. )

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edgmatt, good for you. Welcome to the club, where's your tinfoil hat? [LOL]

Seriously though, first of all, your list isn't bad...but there is an important considertion: The key to animal sources of proteins and fats are how was the animal raised, and what was the animal eating, and how was it treated when it was slaughtered and processed. Other than that, it's not that one is "better" than the other, but rather each source brings it's own benefits to the table.

For example, Salmon (and most other fish) is rich in Omega 3. Grass fed Beef is rich in Conjugated Linoleic Acid. Free range pastured Pork is rich in Choline. All of these are essential nutrients that your body needs to function properly.

But when you factory farm these animals, these vital nutrients are severely deficient. Farmed Salmon, feed lot beef and factory farmed pork are all fed foods that make them fat to increase weight to get more $$$ at market...with little regard to vastly inferior nutritional quality such feed and living conditions cause in the animal. Organically raised animals eating the foods they were naturally designed for is the source of the "best" foods you can find...especially when it comes to dairy and eggs.

Oh, as for yogurt, finding a good brand of Organic whole milk yogurt (never mind the low or nonfat varietys) is a great source of probiotics that aid in digestion. The thing with yogurt is that the sugars often mixed in to sweeten it, also feeds the harmful bacteria in your gut, mitigating the positive effects of the probiotics in the yougurt.

Yes, plain yogurt is sour...but instead of eating sweetened versions, just eat it mixed with berries or some fruit. Than you get sweetener, plus all the benefits of the antioxidants found int he fruit.

Finally, when it comes to oil, Olive Oil is great...but not for cooking. If you want a great cooking oil, lard from free range pigs is superb, and so is extra virgin coconut oil. Of course, grass-fed dairy cow's butter is also one of the best cooking oils there is. Rich in flavor, and vitamins D, & K.

Glad to hear things work for you when you've given it an honest try.

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I never eat farm raised anything if I can help it, and my brother has gotten me on cage free eggs and organic milk. After reading this thread, I switched from 2% milk and yogurt to whole. I don't know if I can feel a difference yet physically, but I like to think I'm a little better off.

Plain yogurt is certainly the way to go, I usually add honey, and local honey at that. (support your local bee keepers!) Nuts and berries are in there sometimes too. But I noticed that sugar content, even in plain yogurt, is real high. My impression is that it doesn't have the same effect as sugar cane or any of the "fake" sugars like corn syrup or high fructose anything.

I've never tried lard to cook with, I always use butter or olive oil ( if I don't have butter ). Where can I find lard from free range pigs? What kind of flavor is it going to add?

I've heard coconut oil is "good" but I didn't know if it was good as in tastes good or good as in healthy.

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But I noticed that sugar content, even in plain yogurt, is real high.

Depends on the brand. There are brands out there that sell plain, whole fat, organic yogurt with no added sweetener. Stonyfield and Nancy's are two brands I can find here in HI.

My impression is that it doesn't have the same effect as sugar cane or any of the "fake" sugars like corn syrup or high fructose anything.

Sugar is sugar...some worse than others...but all sugars spike your blood sugar, promote inflammation and drive insulin production.

You should strive to cut sugar out of your diet as much as possible...but hey, I'm no Nazi about it either. I love my dark chocolate - and if I'm at a social celebration, like a birthday party or a wedding, I'll eat the occasional dessert.

I've never tried lard to cook with, I always use butter or olive oil ( if I don't have butter ). Where can I find lard from free range pigs? What kind of flavor is it going to add?

I don't know where you can find it in your area - but you can usually find free range bacon. You can save the bacon grease (which is basically rendered lard) and cook with that.

Coconut oil is real good, and while it does have a mild coconut flavor, it's not overpowering, and you do get used to it. And it is very healthy for you...it's rich in Lauric acid, an essential nutrient.

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