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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:

To be fair, two of the links you make do have pictures of the victims and assailants, (below)

To be fair all the links have pictures.
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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:
http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/slavery/slav-us/slav-us-articles/slav-us-art-kennedy-full.pdf

From the paper cited by DaveS, from 1940 to 1956 in Florida, 8 white men were convicted of raping black women, and 120 white men were convicted of raping white women. (footnote 60). During that same time period 84 black men were convicted of raping white women.

1940's?

Are you serious?

OK, I guess it counts.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Drake:


Here's just one anecdote you'll be sure to enjoy, because it involves the killing of a black person. A seven year old girl, in fact.

Teen pleads guilty in Nevada casino killing of girl

The perpetrator? A 19-year old white man named Jeremy Strohmeyer. He also had a buddy, David Cash Jr, who witnessed his friend assaulting seven year old Sherrice in the ladies bathroom. I can only assume that he was also white.

David walked away from the crime scene, and did nothing.

I remember this case, it was a big story.
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Originally posted by The Drake:

"Well, that's just ONE example..." or "still, look at all the black rapists". .

Looks like I don't have to say anything, you already did.
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Originally posted by The Drake:

Why is this? What damage is there to your brain that you think this way?

I can't possibly know. I don't want to know. I'm through with you, and I'm sorry I wasted even this much of my life on your sorry ass.

Drake,

blacks are only 12% of the U.S population.

Blacks are responsible for 65% of America's violent crime.

Start treating blacks as your equal.

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quote:
Originally posted by AKA JB:
quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:

To be fair, two of the links you make do have pictures of the victims and assailants, (below)

To be fair all the links have pictures.
Yes, all of the links you provide have pictures of black assailants. None but 2 show the race of the victim.

Do you have any proof other than racist assumptions that any of the other victims are white?

If so, why don't you post where you're gathering your information, (specifically as to why you claim the links you provide represent white victims)?

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quote:
Did you even read your own article?

It is your article that says 17,572 violent/sexual crimes by blacks on whites?

Not 8485 like your trying to claim.

Heh - reading comprehension, JB - get some.

That wasn't my claim. Your response to the studies documenting 8488 white on black rapes was to post three more of your "black on someone" examples. 8488-3 = 8485. That's why I asked whether you were going to post another 8485 - you seem to think this numbers game is very important, maybe you wanted to 'beat' Everard's number. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:
None but 2 show the race of the victim.

Do you have any proof other than racist assumptions that any of the other victims are white?

If so, why don't you post where you're gathering your information, (specifically as to why you claim the links you provide represent white victims)?

What is wrong with these pictures:
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13610143/detail.html

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=72940

http://www.theindychannel.com/slideshow/news/13259349/detail.html

You see what you want.

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White teacher rapes black student
Two white men rape and brutally stab two black women

Have fun backpedaling, J.B. [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by AKA JB:
What is wrong with these pictures:
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/13610143/detail.html

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=72940

http://www.theindychannel.com/slideshow/news/13259349/detail.html

You see what you want.

Well, the first link is for a murder, with no rape involved. Stealing car keys. Does that have any logical connection to statistics of black on white rape?

The second link is also (at this point) an alleged murder, while you choose to make an inference of rape, even though there's no charge -- which would be the same as your assumption that all the other victims are white?

The third -- congratulations! You've added one to your list.

Again note that the text of none of these articles or photographic captions mentions the race of the victim.

So I still ask, how are you searching for these, or is there a newsgroup or website that catalogs these for you that you're passing along?

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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:
So I still ask, how are you searching for these, or is there a newsgroup or website that catalogs these for you that you're passing along?

Unshun.

J.B.'s links are all from network affiliates near Chicago.

Shun.

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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:

Do you have any proof other than racist assumptions that any of the other victims are white?

If so, why don't you post where you're gathering your information, (specifically as to why you claim the links you provide represent white victims)?

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html
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I followed the link. New Nation News is a web site for white white white white white white white white WHITE whiteys. They have forums that keep track of migrant and minority "crime", meaning against white white white WHITE whiteys. Here's their self-declaration:
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New Nation News is not an 'organization' but a personal non-commercial website reporting on topics of interest to the broad and disunited spectrum of 'White Nationalists'.
and the headline of one permanent thread:
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White Victims of Dark Crime

A collection of news stories documenting the imminent dangers of multiculturalism, integration, and miscegenation.

Basically, they're color blind and can't see anything that isn't non-white.
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J.B.,

Based on your assertions, arguments, and choice of sources you are clearly either a part of the white supremacy movement or an admirer of it. If you really look at those participating on this site do you really think that we are receptive to your message and arguments? We are a very multiculturally and multiracially oriented group here at Ornery. I may be white, but I am also Irish and Catholic, two groups that have historically been targets of various white supremicist organizations. Furthermore, I have learned, through my upbringing as well as life experience, that the measure of a person is not measured in ones skin pigmentation, or the nation of origin of ones ancestors, or ones political or religious beliefs, but in what he does and how he does it. There are some on this forum who have stated in the past that they are not white, some who are Jewish, some who are Morman, and so on. Do you really expect for us to be receptive to assertions and arguments from a movement dedicated to monoculturalism and racial purism with a history of violence? I can hope that you would turn aside from your biggoted ways on this forum, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

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Is that all you have.

There is a list of hundreds of crimes, and all you want to do is focus on me?

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quote:
Originally posted by DaveS:
I followed the link. New Nation News is a web site for white white white white white white white white WHITE whiteys.

Did you find any false information posted there?
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quote:
Originally posted by Hitoshi:
quote:
Originally from Everard's article:
The number of black-on-white gang attacks was 2,645, while the number of white-on-black gang attacks was 20,042. There were almost ten times as many black-on-white gang attacks as there were white-on-black attacks.

Either he accidentally switched the numbers, he's lying, or I'm not reading this right. Which is it?
Your reading it right.
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Also from Everard acticle:

When it comes to interracial rape and sexual assault, the statistics contained in the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the Department of Justice's National Crime Survey during Wilbanks' study revealed that white rapists chose black victims 8,448 times.

However, black rapists chose white victims in 17,572 cases. In other words, according to Wilbanks, there were more than twice as many black-on-white rape cases as there were white-on-black cases. Overall white-on-black violence cases numbered 100,111, whereas black-on-white cases totaled 466,205. Therefore, blacks using violence against whites is over four times more likely than the reverse.
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Did any of you learn anything from this?

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Yes, we learned that some time ago J.B. started a thread titled 37,460 To Zero, in order to supposedly enlighten us that
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In the United States in 2006, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
Then J.B. spent four and half pages promising to shut up if even one case of white on black rape could be documented. Then at long last AKA J.B. (must be the hoodless one) posts a quote describing that "white rapists chose black victims 8,448 times. However, black rapists chose white victims in 17,572 cases." This would make J.B.'s original thread title need to be "17,572 To 8,448." This should be sufficient for J.B. to comply with his apparent promise to shut up. This should also indicate that J.B. was off by a factor of, say, infinity, with respect to ratios?. This should also indicate that J.B. was off by the same factor with respect to the raw numbers of white on black rapes which occur.

This should mean that if anyone "learn[ed] anything from this?" , it should apparently be all iterations of J.B.

[ July 09, 2007, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: D Pace ]

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yes, that white rapists chose black victims 8,448 times - or roughly 8,448 times more often than you want to believe.

Also, that your grasp of statistics hasn't improved over the past couple of months.

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AKA JB, please check your email (nothing to do with this thread, but I'm hoping since you're active on it you'll see this notice). I need a reply to my message of this weekend.
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quote:
Originally posted by OrneryMod:
AKA JB, please check your email (nothing to do with this thread, but I'm hoping since you're active on it you'll see this notice).

I did,nt get a e-mail from you.
quote:
Originally posted by OrneryMod:

I need a reply to my message of this weekend.

Why?
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quote:
Originally posted by DonaldD:
yes, that white rapists chose black victims 8,448 times

If you believe that one part of the article, do you also believe these parts too?

Originally from Everard's article:
The number of black-on-white gang attacks was 2,645, while the number of white-on-black gang attacks was 20,042. There were almost ten times as many black-on-white gang attacks as there were white-on-black attacks.

Also from Everard acticle:
Black rapists chose white victims in 17,572 cases. In other words, according to Wilbanks, there were more than twice as many black-on-white rape cases as there were white-on-black cases. Overall white-on-black violence cases numbered 100,111, whereas black-on-white cases totaled 466,205. Therefore, blacks using violence against whites is over four times more likely than the reverse.

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quote:
I did,nt get a e-mail from you.
It was sent to the address associated with this login.

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Why?
Well, because I normally require a response when I send an email requesting information.

The information I requested had to do with what appear to be two logins, which is not permitted on this site. Which would you like to use?

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I don't "believe" or "disbelieve" - they are numbers reported in a study and should be treated as such (as opposed to some unquestioned 'truth' handed down by God.)

But for the sake of this discussion, let's say I believe; what's your point? And does it somehow explain how 8,448 rapes is actually zero rapes?

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quote:
Originally posted by J.B:
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Originally posted by Lobo:
Please let this post die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show one white on black rape case,

And you can kill it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


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quote:
Originally posted by DonaldD:

But for the sake of this discussion, let's say I believe; what's your point?

That blacks are a hell of alot more violent then whites.
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Ahh.. you continue to demonstrate a complete ignorance of basic statistics. Your impervious stubborness against all things academic is impressive if not particularly laudable.

By the way, in what numbering system does 8,448 equal zero?

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quote:
Originally posted by DonaldD:
I don't "believe" or "disbelieve" - they are numbers reported in a study and should be treated as such (as opposed to some unquestioned 'truth' handed down by God.)

But for the sake of this discussion, let's say I believe; what's your point? And does it somehow explain how 8,448 rapes is actually zero rapes?

Why are you asking me about something you don't "believe" or "disbelieve?
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quote:
Originally posted by AKA JB:
Then find just one white on black rape case,

just one.

Hey, racist guy, I found one. Or are you just going to continue to ignore it because that's most convenient? Here, I'll even caps the link to the news site.

TWO WHITE MEN RAPE AND STAB BLACK WOMEN

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I am very surprised by what I saw when I searched for white on black crime.

I couldn't really find anything.

My speculation is that the reason is that white crime against blacks is more debasing than the opposite. It seems obvious to me that there is plenty of info accusing blacks of being violent, dumb oxes.

I find that unfortunate. It seems to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a person is told enough that they are irratable and to often put upon, they will first get irratable about being told that until it sinks into their subconscious behavior to be generally irratable.

My understanding of the human psyche is such that if one has a propensity toward a type of behavior by nature or nuture, this can be overcome should one do serious work to change behavior as well as understanding the interior motivations.

For instance I have heard and seen that Hispanic men typically do not say "I can't". There are any number of personal reasons as well as cultural motivations for this. If one is to be ruler of themselves as opposed to ruled by themselves they must look around and within to discover a way to sublimate these unfavorable traits.

Should one always be fed the queues that their programming is right and appropiate and favorable for this or that reason, there is no movitation to make an effort to understand and rule oneself.

In other words if we keep talking about how bad blacks behave to whites then one shouldn't be suprised when one plays out that program on a white who may or may not have played out their programming to discount blacks for some reason.

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BTW, JB, now that we've established over 8000 rapes, how does that modify your previous position:

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Originally posted by Wayward Son:
So you think that means there are no white on black rapes, J.B.?
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I think if it ever really did happen, the media would be all over it.

In other words, now that you've been shown to be utterly, completely wrong, how does that change your view on this issue?
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Good point, WS - there were 8,448 reported white on black rapes, yet the media seems to have gone out of their way to under-report these crimes.
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Sad thing is that folks who say things just as nutty as JB, but in the other direction, get published in law reviews. I just saw another law review article complaining about how the treatment of the Duke team showed the racist bias against blacks, "pro-offender" bias, and "anti-victim" bias on the part of the press. When the press reports fact that there was no DNA evidence linking the accused defendants, she labels the press "pro-offender."

Politically Correct psychosis.

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To the Conservative, the media is filled with Liberal Bias.

To the Liberal, it is filled with Conservative Bias.

And to the Moderates, it's filled to overflowing with a bunch of Liberals and Conservatives!

Ain't nobody happy... [Smile]

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I'd say that the media is biased towards fear, conflict, and rampant sex, since those are the stories that sell. So the news stories focus on Damien Football Williams beating a white trucker half to death, but then they shut off the camera when six black kids come to save the trucker's life and take him through the burning city to a hospital. The TVs broadcast the image of white cops are beating up Rodney King, but few report that it's a white guy who videoed the scene to expose the cops. Scared people watch the news more. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, but the effects do impact liberal-conservative dynamics.
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quote:
Originally posted by D Pace:
quote:
Originally posted by J.B:
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Originally posted by Lobo:
Please let this post die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show one white on black rape case,

And you can kill it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


So how do I kill this thing??
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J.B. REALLY wants to know about modern white-on-black rape. Kink?
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Which reminds me, in my rewinded memory, that just the other day I finally got the inside inside joke in the old Temps song, 'Papa Was A Rolling Stone', where the high voice wails: 'And when he died, all he left us was alone...' or a loan.

(It's the little things, eh?)

As for rape and race, I ain't justifying *any* ratio of rape by race, and I ain't claiming to explain why the stats seem to stack up certain ways, but still, I really do believe that payback is a bitch.

Or, as the Bible said, "The sins of the fathers will be on the heads of the children."

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
Do you think that means that it never happens, or that the media just doesn't report it?

Maybe it's a small white penises thing, and black women don't notice when it happens?

(Sorry, Tom, but sometimes we need a reminder that Ornery's good old days weren't always good).

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I read through the first couple of pages and enjoyed Dagon's contribution the most I think. I wonder if there isn't some tie-in with the New Black Panthers voter intimidation thing.

It reminds me of the last scene on this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPDln2dcpYA&feature=related

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