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quote:
Originally posted by NSCutler:
I was conceived in Alabama. I got out as soon as I could and was born in Idaho.

[LOL] [LOL]
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Originally posted by bombasto:
But Drake, Drake,
Please understand that, in CA at least, air pollution is just as morally reprehensible as sticking power tools where the sun don't shine.

It should be more so. Surely we can agree on that?

And what is morally reprehensible at all about using a vibrator?

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Originally posted by johnson:
"cherry, you realize that one of the most fundamental aspects of the constitution is that it is restrictive of government not citizens. Anything not spelled out is a reserved right of the people. It doesn't have to allow obscene speech. If anything, because the constitution doesn't say that the government can make speech obscene, they shouldn't be able to do it at any level."

I think Sampler not only won the thread, he won the entire forum.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

I agree that one should apply common sense to all issues, especially regarding sex. Too much porn is just as bad as too little. However, I don't recognize the right of any government entity to decide when I've had too much or too little.

Alabamans have embarrassed themselves.

IMO Johnson is right.

Nice post Omeg. Since the page changed and Omeg's post of the US Constitution is no longer as accessible here is a link: The US Constitution

"Liberals destroying traditional American way of life"? I'm positive that there were people saying the same thing when women and blacks were given the right to vote, blacks were freed, allowed to sit at the front of the bus, drink from the same fountains as whites, serve in the armed forces, blacks were allowed to marry whites, gays were allowed to marry, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. [Frown]

"The good old days weren't all that good...
And tomorrow isn't as bad as it seems..."

Sometimes tradition is shiite and needs to be destroyed.

KE

[ October 03, 2007, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]

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I'd not bothered with this thread, but came to it today in an effort to procrastinate at work, and it's one of those that convinces me that the US truly is a foreign country. Not because the issue of banning sales of sex toys has come up (I'm pretty sure it comes up in just about every country now and then, in one form or another). But because it's the conservatives complaining about it.

To my mind, conservatives are the ones who believe most strongly in letting market forces do their thing, that government restrictions of what you can buy are an unparalleled evil, and that the freedom of the individual is paramount (except where it impinges negatively on others). And they're the ones arguing against sex toys being sold?

Or is anything to do with sex somehow put back in the folder of things that big government can cheerfully legislate on?

Dunno, maybe if each toy came with a small batch of explosives that could be used in the event that resistance to a tyrranical government became necessary they'd be happier...

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Excellent point, vulture.

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quote:

Or is anything to do with sex somehow put back in the folder of things that big government can cheerfully legislate on?

They usually appeal to positive authority by pointing to the constitution and avoid the whole argument. That is:

"Let me dust off my hold copy of the Constitution and take a wee gander at the old lass...

Nope, nothing about sex toys in there. I guess that means it's left up to the states to decide, at least according to a common sense interpretation of the Constitution. "

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quote:
Originally posted by bombasto:
I saw a couple "these people" comments in this thread which I find surprising in this forum.

I have to admit that I have not been following this story but I would make the same observation as the one I saw in the Jena thread, think it was G2, that suggests, if we are only looking at what the rags are reporting on this, we probably aren't getting the whole picture. I would be very surprised if this were not, prior to media involvement, more about citizens concerned with the sleazy store fronts and clientele this market fosters rather than about the morality of what folks do in their closets. It's not the sort of thing one aspires to when planning that downtown revitalization project.

Unfortunately the facts of the case don't back you up. This wasn't a zoning law aimed at making sure adult businesses don't lower the tone with tawdry shopfront displays, this was (and is) a law flat-out banning the sale of sex toys to grownups. It's pretty unambiguous.
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quote:
Originally posted by NSCutler:
The media attention all started when the state of Alabama arrested a woman for having kinky little Tupperware-type parties in her home. No store front involved. Just the prudish nanny-state with too much time on its hands.

Actually that was the great state of Texas, which is one of the handful of states that has a similar ban on the sale of sex toys. The Texas case is extra-special awesome because it involved the police deciding that housewives having little get-togethers and buying lingerie and sex toys to spice up their love life was such a great threat that the only logical response was to launch an undercover operation to bust a saleswoman [Smile]
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quote:
Originally posted by cherrypoptart:

Yeah, and thank God for that. So according to your interpretation of the Constitution, it is Constitutionally protected free speech to walk up and down the public sidewalk next to a playground that children are enjoying and call out every obscenity imaginable.

So what constitution are you reading? Because the Constitution I'm reading doesn't say anything about community standards being acceptable reasons to abridge free speech, nor does it say anything about how speech has to have artistic/literary/educational/scientific merit to be protected. Last time I checked, all that crap was invented out of whole cloth by activist judges legislating from the bench in 1973 because they arbitrarily decided that the government should have the ability to ignore the first amendment if they felt little old ladies at church bake sales might be upset by something.

Of course, you'd never approve of that sort of shenanigans now, what with all your high and mighty talk about how horrible it is that people keep trying to read stuff into the constitution that isn't actually there.

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You know, I just thought that if this law was enacted a houndred years ago, it would have obstructed the treatment of mental health, specifically the condition known as "Female Hystaria!" The first vibrators designed specifically for the stimulation of genital organs were made for the medical practice, because the manual labor of the 'treatments' was too strenuous for the doctors, leading to excessive fatigue. So the vibrator was developed to save the strain on the doctors and also speed up the treatments, so the doctor could see more patients in less time.

So how did they justify such a thing back in the victorian age? It was widely believed that an outbreak of "Mass Hystaria" would be and endemic catastrophy, and "preventative and curative measures" were highly endorsed, at least in the clinical setting that is.

And now here they go outlawing a time tested tool of a long established medical practice.

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Next they'll outlaw the right hand.

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I don't see anything in the Constitution saying people should be allowed to have one.

[Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by 0Megabyte:
I don't see anything in the Constitution saying people should be allowed to have one.

[Big Grin]

Persuit of happiness? [Smile]
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That's the Declaration of Independance, friend. Wrong document, and not the law of the land. It wasn't the basis for our government, but the declaration that we weren't gonna take any crap from the British anymore, as vehemantly expressed by good ol' TJ.
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Omeg, I know it contributes to the domestic tranquility in my home. But then I've been married a long time. [Smile]

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quote:
Next they'll outlaw the right hand.

It's a good thing I'm a leftist.

Incidentally, back in the late 90's when I lived in the San Francisco Bay area, I knew a woman who worked for an interstate vendor of sex toys and bondage gear (Good Vibrations, I think). I don't know how we got on the topic, but I remember she mentioned that the majority of the company's sales were not in SF, or even in California. Most of the business went to the "Bible Belt." Alabama was a big market.

Interesting, innit?

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Clearly people are enjoying themselves too much in Alabama. I like this ruling, go find an organ girls and boys.
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It's actually and agriculture protection law that got pushed through by lobbyists for Alabama's cucumber industry.

[ October 04, 2007, 11:39 AM: Message edited by: NSCutler ]

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Oh I see it now, The legislators in Alabama can't get any, so their trying to eliminate the competition in the hopes that they will be the only "market" left for women there. Well this is easy enough to fix, call their wives and have them stop putting out until they get their toys back.
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And another thing, does this ban include Viagra? I mean, it may not exactly be a machine, but it is something devised to stimulate the male genaritive organs as it's primary function. And what about other ED treatments?
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I'm afraid I'd have to add the washing machine as well. Knew a woman once who used to run it on spin cycle with nothing in it, just for the thrill. But this just opens a can of worms that perhaps the USSC just couldn't deal with on its busy schedule.

* Bumpy roads, they have lots of those in AL
* Subway trains, maybe they don't have subways, but now they can never have them.
* Vacuum Cleaners?
* Egg beaters? Osterizers? Bread kneaders?

Where would it end? Boy Toys and Guatemalan gardeners?

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Alabama's anti-obscenity law, enacted in 1998, bans the distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for anything of pecuniary value."
Well, I guess the women of Alabama can rest easy at least knowing that possesion of said devices is still legal, they just can't share them with anyone.

...and they have a road trip ahead of them(out of state) to get any new ones.

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Nothing relevant, but I am greatly amused by the idea of having sex toys in the US Constitution.
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That's a creative place to hide one.
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R.B.G. keeps hers there in the original.
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Wait a moment, I just realised something. This is a clear-cut case of the state interfering with the free market out of a misguided belief that mommy knows best and the people need to be protected from decisions that might hurt them. Does this mean the Alabama state legislature are secretly liberals? [Smile]
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Sorry, Ralan, but the free market doesn't apply to values. When it comes to morality, conservatives are downright Communistic! [Smile]

{Edited to change it to Big C Communism! [Smile] }

[ October 05, 2007, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: Wayward Son ]

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That's funny, Wayward.

Lisa M., the Constitution IS a sex toy. Inspired by the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence, written entirely by men:

'We hold these things to be self-evident...'

And with a name like John Hancock...

[ October 05, 2007, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Dey:
I'm afraid I'd have to add the washing machine as well. Knew a woman once who used to run it on spin cycle with nothing in it, just for the thrill. But this just opens a can of worms that perhaps the USSC just couldn't deal with on its busy schedule.

* Bumpy roads, they have lots of those in AL
* Subway trains, maybe they don't have subways, but now they can never have them.
* Vacuum Cleaners?
* Egg beaters? Osterizers? Bread kneaders?

Where would it end? Boy Toys and Guatemalan gardeners?

By the wording of the law they're all fine Richard. I expect Alabama's about to see a sharp rise in the sale of pulsing showerheads and battery-operated massagers [Big Grin]
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quote:
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Alabama's anti-obscenity law, enacted in 1998, bans the distribution of "any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for anything of pecuniary value."
Well, I guess the women of Alabama can rest easy at least knowing that possesion of said devices is still legal, they just can't share them with anyone.

...and they have a road trip ahead of them(out of state) to get any new ones.

Actually they can share them, which is what makes the law even sillier.

-It's legal to own them
-It's legal to use them.
-It's legal to use them on other people.
-It's legal to give them as gifts.
-It's legal to make them yourself.
-It's legal to drive across the border, buy as many as you like, and come back home.
-It's legal to buy them (although the person selling them is commiting a crime).
-It's legal for out-of-state store which carries them to advertise (as long as it doesn't do mail-order sales to Alabama addresses).
-It's legal to sell a myriad of sex toys far nastier than anything the Godfearing lawmakers of Alabama could ever dream of, including dildos and vibrators that are designed and marketed specifically for anal stimulation.
-It's legal to buy, sell, make, and own pornography that involves their use.

But God forbid you buy a ten inch rubber dong while you're within the great state of Alabama, because that would be wrong [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
Sorry, Ralan, but the free market doesn't apply to values. When it comes to morality, conservatives are downright Communistic! [Smile]

Communists would never ban dildos. They'd just make one bland, functional model at a factory that's forever behind schedule because other industries more crucial to the needs of the populat have a higher priority on rubber orders, and everyone who's not in the party would have to fill out an application form to the People's Department Of Wholesome Proletarian Sexual Expression and wait six months before they can go to the State's Glorious Patriotic Dildo Distribution Center so they can wait in line all afternoon to buy one [Smile]
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"But God forbid you buy a ten inch rubber dong while you're within the great state of Alabama, because that would be wrong [Smile]"

Who said anything about a dong?!? I want a rubber fist! Thankfully I can proudly walk downtown from where I am, walked into Sex World and purchase a giant rubber fist or "The Great American Challenge" anytime I like.


"Lisa M., the Constitution IS a sex toy. Inspired by the opening lines of the Declaration of Independence, written entirely by men:

'We hold these things to be self-evident...'

And with a name like John Hancock..."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Woah, that's a mouthful! [Eek!]

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maybe the point is really that alabamas legislators think all sex toys, should be free.
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