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America's CEO's Want McCain And Fear Obama Presidency

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Issue Date: September/October 2008, Posted On: 10/8/2008

Debate Over

It is clear jobcreating Business leaders chose McCain over Obama largely because his policies are seen as progrowth, whereas Obama’s policies are viewed as redistributive and anti-growth.

By ED Kopko

For some months during this Presidential election year, Chief Executive has conducted specialized polling of CEOs’ attitudes on issues affecting national policy and the economy. In CE’s most recent poll in September, 751 respondents, more than double the usual number of business leaders, made their voices heard on their Presidential choice. By a four-to-one margin CEOs support Senator John McCain over his rival, Senator Barack Obama. More to the point, a thundering 74 percent majority say they fear the consequences of an Obama presidency, compared to only 19 percent who fear a McCain presidency.

During this period CE also asked the people who create jobs what it will take to get our engine of job creation going strong. We first asked CEOs what policies and approaches would work best for business, energy policy and job creation. Subsequently, we asked CEOs which Presidential candidate’s policies were best aligned with these prescriptions for growth.

In August a significant majority of CEOs rated John McCain’s policies over Barack Obama’s. But their support came with reservations. They graded his overall policies a B-. McCain received strong marks for defense and foreign policy but only a gentleman’s C+ on energy, environment and education. Barack Obama, on the other hand, was given a barely passing C- on his policy prescriptions, with half of the eight policy areas polled getting almost failing D grades. Neither candidate received an A grade.

http://www.chiefexecutive.net/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=D49EB4E0273F4A45A3BACDD3CDD1F6F0


I can't see how anyone can spin this.

The CEO's who are responsible for helping this country's economy return to good health and who are responsible for creating the jobs by which people earn income, pay their bills and from whom taxes are levied, have made it overwhelmingly clear.

By a 4 to 1 margin this country's Chief Executive Officers believe McCain will be better for their business prospects.

And if some of you might try to tar ALL CEO's with the broad brushstrokes of this Fannie & Freddie mess, just remember, just as not all Black men are drug dealers, so are not all CEO's irresponsible or involved in fraud.

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Yawn.

It's not news that Republicans favor a Republican in the White House.

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The rich guys support McCain?!! I can't believe it! Next you'll be telling me water is wet and post a story about a dog biting a man!

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TOmD has suggested an intriguing prospect: that ruo is deliberately but insincerely passing herself off as the political idjut she strikes most of us as she comes across as, doing so in order to make the current Republican presidential candidacy appear unbearably awful to all lingering undecideds (and maybe even a few decideds) so that they'll at least NOT vote for McPalin and perhaps even vote for Obiden.

If so, ruo is an uncommonly good online actor.

If not, she is unwittingly disserving the cause she claims to believe in.

Life in disguises: on the internet, Halloween last 365 days a year.

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Water is SO wet, KE. You troll.
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Gotta give OSC credit for seeing the value in this kind of deception way before it became a reality.

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[ October 13, 2008, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]

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Unbelievably stupid post.

OF COURSE THE RICH GUYS WANT TO KEEP THEIR CLAMS and NOT SHARE THE PLAYGROUND.

My favorite "giving back guy" of course, is Mr. Topazi who as the owner of MS Power, got the MS legislature to take the tax-dollars and put them in his pocket for a rainy-day fund, in the amount of $78.5 MILLION dollars- and as a grant no less. He takes the funds from the people, and "gives back" community involvement.

WOW. Color me impressed.

He's 100% behind McCain.

****head.

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I'm not sure why CEO opinions should influence someone's vote. These people are no smarter or better than anybody else - just much richer, and Obama will raise their taxes. No kidding they'd rather McCain!
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quote:
Originally posted by JoshCrow:
I'm not sure why CEO opinions should influence someone's vote. These people are no smarter or better than anybody else - just much richer, and Obama will raise their taxes. No kidding they'd rather McCain!

I can't believe you aren't clear about this.

Business = Good.

CEO's = Hire employees.

CEO's = Pay business taxes.

CEO's = Start and lead companies in which stockholders invest.

Investments are what is measured by the Dow Jones Industrial Average and when it is said that Wall Street is in trouble or did well or poorly it is a way of saying that busineses are doing well or poorly.

The angst we've experienced due to the economy these past few weeks and blamed on the Republicans or the Democrats ALL has to do with the health of our business sector.

For the economy to do well and for there to be jobs and for people to have buying power and to pay the taxes that Obama wants to raise, there must be CEO's and their businesses must be doing well.

And the CEO's say that McCain will be better for America.

Not Obama.

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Having read ruo's last post, I have decided I must take serious protective action to protect my bubble of self-delusion:

magical Spells

evasive maneuvers

ultimate weapon

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The 35W collapsing was in poor taste, Kenmeer Livermaile!

Let me feed you the Ultimate distraction from reality

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"The 35W collapsing was in poor taste"

I'll bet you say that to all your sugar-daddies.

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"Let me feed you the Ultimate distraction from reality "

Best argument for pantheism I've ever seen. I mean, who can choose between a robot trying to pinch Prince Philip's arse, and giant lizards about to be simultaneously crushed by a black obelisk and strangled by Chtulu?

Like the young porn starlet said in her first three-on-one:

I want it ALL!

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TommySam:

G'nite, sweet prince!

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"Let me feed you the Ultimate distraction from reality "

quote:

* Use a new Reality with each and every sex act.
* Read instructions carefully before using Reality.
* The booklet explains how to use Reality.
* Don't tear Reality.
* Reality only works when you use it.
* Make sure Reality is not twisted after insertion.
* Reality should not be noisy during sex.
* Reality may shift during sex.
* Keep Reality out of the reach of children.

I would link to a pdf of the instructional booklet for Reality brand female condoms from which this is excerpted, but unfortunately the marketing department realized their mistake.
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I had a Masters Econ Course called Elites and Masses where the economic impact of a handful of individuals was compared to 'all the rest' and the intruiging thing was that the whole economy hinges on a vanishingly small number of people, relative to the total population, feeling up or down. Go ahead and ignore them...

While you are at it lets stop the work of that handful that develope things like televisions that go in phones...or tell them how to do their jobs without bias.

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The guy that invented the bulk of television was fought tooth and nail by the CEO(s) of RCA.

When Hawking endorses McCain, I'll take notice of what a person in a dominant position of a given institution says.

I prefer to simply examine data.

Besides, God told me, Himself even, to pay no attention to CEOs and other Big Shots.

He *did*!!!

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quote:
I had a Masters Econ Course called Elites and Masses where the economic impact of a handful of individuals was compared to 'all the rest' and the intruiging thing was that the whole economy hinges on a vanishingly small number of people, relative to the total population, feeling up or down.
The ecomony may rely on a handful of individuals, but their decisions may not be based on what's best for the total population. [Wink]

The nice thing about our capitalistic system is that selfishness and greed are often utilized for the greater good. But not always. That is why we have, and need, regulations.

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quote:
Originally posted by ruo:
quote:
Originally posted by JoshCrow:
I'm not sure why CEO opinions should influence someone's vote. These people are no smarter or better than anybody else - just much richer, and Obama will raise their taxes. No kidding they'd rather McCain!

I can't believe you aren't clear about this.

Business = Good.

CEO's = Hire employees.

CEO's = Pay business taxes.

CEO's = Start and lead companies in which stockholders invest.

Investments are what is measured by the Dow Jones Industrial Average and when it is said that Wall Street is in trouble or did well or poorly it is a way of saying that busineses are doing well or poorly.

The angst we've experienced due to the economy these past few weeks and blamed on the Republicans or the Democrats ALL has to do with the health of our business sector.

For the economy to do well and for there to be jobs and for people to have buying power and to pay the taxes that Obama wants to raise, there must be CEO's and their businesses must be doing well.

Ruo - Businesses are vital, and must be doing well. CEO's, however, are generally being paid vastly more than any human being ought to be considering the work they do. If anybody can afford to tighten their belts personally, it's them I would point to. Note: I am referring to their salaries, not their business expenditure.

Now, Obama wants to raise taxes for these wealthy men and women - isn't it obvious they would oppose him? Isn't it obvious that this has no bearing on the vast majority of people who are NOT well-paid CEOs? Their businesses will do just great without them lining their pockets with gold - perhaps even better.

Self-interest is all well and good as an economic motivator, but left on its own doesn't look after itself very well.

[ October 14, 2008, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: JoshCrow ]

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If recent events have shown us anything, its that we should all trust the collective judgement of CEOs.

Adam

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Unquestionably. [Wink]
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Didn't we just have a CEO President? That worked out well.
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Well, he was a lousy CEO too. And a lousy governor.
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Masterman:
If recent events have shown us anything, its that we should all trust the collective judgement of CEOs.

Adam

If history has shown us anything, it's that we should trust the collective judgment of politicians.

Which would you trust more?

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Ooohhh...tough choice there, G2. [Eek!]
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We don't trust their judgment, we endure its consequences. Same is true of CEOs. And in our political culture, there has been little functional distinction between the two when it comes to politics affecting corporate culture and corporations affecting political culture.
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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
quote:
I had a Masters Econ Course called Elites and Masses where the economic impact of a handful of individuals was compared to 'all the rest' and the intruiging thing was that the whole economy hinges on a vanishingly small number of people, relative to the total population, feeling up or down.
The ecomony may rely on a handful of individuals, but their decisions may not be based on what's best for the total population. [Wink]

The nice thing about our capitalistic system is that selfishness and greed are often utilized for the greater good. But not always. That is why we have, and need, regulations.

Then you are saying you don't care if the economy goes into the dumpster if Obama is elected?

If that's the case I suggest we all take note of your view and shout you down if we ever see you opine on the economic attractiveness of Obama or the contrary.

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quote:
Originally posted by Haggis:
Didn't we just have a CEO President? That worked out well.

If I'm not mistaken one of the reasons he's been criticized has been because of his growth in government. A growth which conventional wisdom suggests would have been cheered by Liberals had it been achieved by a Democratic President.

My initial thought when I first recognized this was that GWB had tried to be conciliatory and to accommodate voters from both sides of the political divide.

This just 'shows to go you' that Ricky Nelson had it right.

You can't please everyone so you've got to please your G.O.P. base of supporters.

[ October 14, 2008, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: ruo ]

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quote:
Originally posted by JoshCrow:
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Originally posted by ruo:
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Originally posted by JoshCrow:
I'm not sure why CEO opinions should influence someone's vote. These people are no smarter or better than anybody else - just much richer, and Obama will raise their taxes. No kidding they'd rather McCain!

I can't believe you aren't clear about this.

Business = Good.

CEO's = Hire employees.

CEO's = Pay business taxes.

CEO's = Start and lead companies in which stockholders invest.

Investments are what is measured by the Dow Jones Industrial Average and when it is said that Wall Street is in trouble or did well or poorly it is a way of saying that busineses are doing well or poorly.

The angst we've experienced due to the economy these past few weeks and blamed on the Republicans or the Democrats ALL has to do with the health of our business sector.

For the economy to do well and for there to be jobs and for people to have buying power and to pay the taxes that Obama wants to raise, there must be CEO's and their businesses must be doing well.

Ruo - Businesses are vital, and must be doing well. CEO's, however, are generally being paid vastly more than any human being ought to be considering the work they do. If anybody can afford to tighten their belts personally, it's them I would point to. Note: I am referring to their salaries, not their business expenditure.

Now, Obama wants to raise taxes for these wealthy men and women - isn't it obvious they would oppose him? Isn't it obvious that this has no bearing on the vast majority of people who are NOT well-paid CEOs? Their businesses will do just great without them lining their pockets with gold - perhaps even better.

Self-interest is all well and good as an economic motivator, but left on its own doesn't look after itself very well.

I get the impression you did not read "The Road to Serfdom" comic book.

[DOH]

Aside and apart from that, NO ONE IN THE GOP is saying there should be no regulation of business, JoshCrow.

When the Bush Adminsistration tried to regulate the F & F matter in the first years of the administration and it was shot down, it was done in by a mixture of DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN votes.

When McCain tried to regulate the F & F matter in 2006 it was shot down by DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN votes.

We know that McCain sees himself as a Teddy Roosevelt Republican.

He was the president who took on big business and became known as the "Trust Buster."

And who did McCain choose as a running mate?

Someone who has taken on Big Business as well as her own party to do what was best for the people.

Your self delusions are clouding your ability to see things clearly, methinks.

[ October 14, 2008, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: ruo ]

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ruo, have you heard of "confirmation bias"?
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These people are no smarter or better than anybody else
Really? [Smile]

Better? No. Smarter? Are you joking? I can't even believe I'm hearing this from you. Did you swallow the Palin Koolaid or something?

Sorry, CEOs are smarter than garage mechanics and garbage-men. They are certainly smarter than the average person.

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It does seem to be pretty elitist to suggest that CEO's know what's better for the country than average hard-working Americans.
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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
ruo, have you heard of "confirmation bias"?

No. I didn't. Not by that name.

But I see evidence of it all the time.

And why do you ask this question of moi?

[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Haggis:
It does seem to be pretty elitist to suggest that CEO's know what's better for the country than average hard-working Americans.

Seeing as how most CEO's have, at one time or another, been average hard-working Americans but most average hard-working Americans have never been CEO's I'd discount your suggestion.

[ October 14, 2008, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: ruo ]

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He was looking for you to make the connexion with the 'bubble of self-delusion' trope.

He's trying to expand your vocabulary of expression.

So you won't be quite so tiresomely repetitive.

He certainly wouldn't be asking you to examine yourself from a slightly less subjectively self-congratulatory pedestal.

That would be, you know, unthinkable. Are we crazy?

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Haggis posted this elsewhere but it seems to fit quite nicely here:

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Wow, we've actually gotten to a point where a conservative does not trust the judgment of everyday hard-working Americans, is blaming America for getting us into this position, and is acting like an elitist by suggesting they know what's best for us.

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"Well, he was a lousy CEO too. And a lousy governor. "

You gotta take all that bitterness, Ken, and mail it with your liver to a meerkat.

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quote:
Originally posted by kenmeer livermaile:
Haggis posted this elsewhere but it seems to fit quite nicely here:

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Wow, we've actually gotten to a point where a conservative does not trust the judgment of everyday hard-working Americans, is blaming America for getting us into this position, and is acting like an elitist by suggesting they know what's best for us.

And as interesting and thought provoking as that might be you should know that superficial assessments are the reason you support Obama.

And superficial assessments are sometimes off the mark.

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quote:
Originally posted by kenmeer livermaile:
He was looking for you to make the connexion with the 'bubble of self-delusion' trope.

He's trying to expand your vocabulary of expression.

So you won't be quite so tiresomely repetitive.

He certainly wouldn't be asking you to examine yourself from a slightly less subjectively self-congratulatory pedestal.

That would be, you know, unthinkable. Are we crazy?

"Are we crazy?"

I'm reminded of the title of an album by a 1970's comedy group with a cult following named, "The Firesign Theater."

10 Points to the poster who names the album which also answers your post.

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