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Daruma28
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Forget the appeals to "raise the level of debate."

Never mind this notion that "we should be better than that."

Let's just all face up to the facts: our political party system has almost always been about mudslinging.

Slime your opponent.

Find the shi t that stinks, and see how good it sticks.

So...this thread is half-way serious... [Wink]

...but I wanna see some good old fashioned, American politics styled mud-slinging here.

Post which ones YOU think are most relevant to the politician you oppose and are planning to vote against.

Don't worry about trying to argue or debate or debunk anyone else's mud...that's pretty much what 90% of all the other threads here have been anyhow this election season.

Just post yours.

One caveat - by posting your mud on one candidate or the other, you are stating that you believe it to be somewhat true.

As Ev tried to challenge...do you REALLY believe Obama is a terrorist lackey? If not, than don't post it.

Other than that...let's see what ya'all got.

Let's all have some insight into what we all here truly believe about our ideological opponents.

It can be either your own thoughts, or someone else's from a website or blog that you frequent.

And since I'm not gonna vote for either candidates, I'll start off by slinging a bit of mud at both of 'em, this one, courtesy of Thomas J. DiLorenzo, from LewRockwell.com:

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So here’s your choice on election day:

McMussolini or ObaMarx.

Take your pick.

Or do the patriotic thing and stay home.

Don’t vote.

It only gives them a reason to claim that "the people have spoken" and that they have a "mandate" to ruin our country.

[Exploding]

And yes, I really do believe McCain is a fascist-corporatist and Obama is a marxist/socialist... [Razz]

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I can only assume this thread is especially for JoshuaD.
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Daruma28
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Nah...it's for everyone. It's an idea that's been ruminating in my head for days. Whenever I log on and see the latest "Obama is a terrorist" and "Palin is Corrupt" threads.

I say let's strip out the debates and let's see the naked smut.

I'm really curious to see how bad do you REALLY think the OTHER guy (or gal) is?

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I was going to choose not to vote, but my schizophrenic relative loves Obama and she didn't know she had to register. I'm going to vote for Obama just for her. Also, for my two-and-a-half year, old nephew. He knows who Obama is from all the commercials he is viewing in Pennsylvania. I'll tell him I gave Barrack the "gold-star".

Sad, but true stories...


I don't know if you were joking Daruma, but seriously, after the bailout, I haven't had the stomach for any of the presidential spin. That bill was disgusting. Hang them all.

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I think McCain would make an OK President. Disappointed in his methdology for aquiring the job, but he would do a far better job than what we've seen done recently.
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kenmeer livermaile
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I have ever had a one campaign slogan fits all for this kind of thing:

WHY LET THE RICH AND POWERFUL MAKE FOOLS OF US WHEN WE CAN MAKE FOOLS OF OURSELVES?!?

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*scoops up handful of nice, warm-peanut-butter Iraqi mud*

I think Obama is all about promoting class warfare, as evidenced by his economic policies, and that such is completely inconsistent with his bipartisan, "I'm a uniter" stance.

We just entered the rainy season here. Mud everywhere!

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Obama is completely clueless. He's very, very good at molding public opinion and making things sound nice, which isn't hard to do when you've got absolutely no attachment to truth and reason. Just say what people want to hear, and use Aaron Sorkin to write for you so you say it the way people want to hear it.

He's going to have a massive "Oh Sh*t" moment right around January 20th, when he realizes that he has no ungodly clue what he's doing there.

Happy? [Big Grin] I don't think this is the case, but it is a fear of mine. He might just be a really, really good used car salesman.

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I heard that Obama couldn't pass the background check to be an FBI or Secret Service agent. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but I thought it was muddy enough to be interesting.
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John McCain used to be a Maverick; now he's just a Goose.
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I think McCain means well but he doesn't have the temperament to lead. He has anger issues (who wouldn't?) and his pick of Palin showed me the kind of rash decision maker he would be. With a Dem senate and congress he would be ineffectual. Basically rash and quick to anger = disaster for America and therefore the world. Having said that, he night just stumble along without dying or doing anything stupid.

Obama definitely does not tell the whole truth when it comes to his planning and this is why I'd vote for him if I could. He has a stated plan and I believe he aims to achieve it, but I also think he has a much larger goal in mind that if he were completely frank about would render him unelectable.

Is that nut job enough for you?

I also think if anyone messed with the US under an Obama Presidency they would rue the day.

Rue.

He's far tougher and meaner than his "politics would suggest."

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Sam Spade
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quote:
He's far tougher and meaner than his "politics would suggest."
Are you saying he's vindictive? That's what I got out of that. [Razz]
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quote:
Originally posted by canadian:

Obama definitely does not tell the whole truth when it comes to his planning and this is why I'd vote for him if I could. He has a stated plan and I believe he aims to achieve it, but I also think he has a much larger goal in mind that if he were completely frank about would render him unelectable.

So you think Obama is hiding his true intentions but that it's for our own good?
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Palin:
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"I don't care what the polls say, I honestly don't. There have been many underestimated persons elected to office given the opportunity to prove the pundits wrong. I know the truth, I know my record and to prove who I am and who I would stand for. It's all worth it and I'm not giving up on any of it."
10,000 English teachers will kill themselves rather than let Palin visit their classes.
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Constitutional panic: A non-natural born person is elected president! [Razz]

In all seriousness, I do find Obama's refusal to make his records public - as McCain did - troubling... However, that above headline could technically apply to both of them...

Canadian - maybe that's what Biden was talking about when he made allusions to Obama having a throwdown next spring with maybe a ME country or perhaps the Russians. Based on his public statements and our recent heavy support to India, perhaps we'll see an invasion of Pakistan [Frown]

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I don't think that "natural born" means what you think it means, Colin.
It most likely couldn't apply to either of them.

Here's my mud, but it's only about Sarah Palin.
Who is a liar, corrupt, unintelligent and unqualified, and may very well have allegiance to organizations that is stronger than her allegiance to the United States.

I was okay with the idea of a McCain presidency (despite his anger-management problems) until she was chosen and I learned more about her.

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Which records, Colin?
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kenmeer livermaile
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"So you think Obama is hiding his true intentions but that it's for our own good? "

Either that or it's the peak of an election cycle.

The vetting's been done. From here on out, go with your gut. First star on your left and straight on till dawn, I say.

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"Here's my mud, but it's only about Sarah Palin.
Who is a liar, corrupt, unintelligent and unqualified, and may very well have allegiance to organizations that is stronger than her allegiance to the United States."

From a dear friend, and probably unsafe for work:

Unspeakable

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Obama's a secret muslim from Africa and McCain comes from Panama. A vote for either major party is a vote for an illegal candidate!
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One man's Manchurian candidate is another man's libertarian hero:

Last Bush Push to Deregulate

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According to the Office of Management and Budget's regulatory calendar, the commercial scallop-fishing industry came in two weeks ago to urge that proposed catch limits be eased, nearly bumping into National Mining Association officials making the case for easing rules meant to keep coal slurry waste out of Appalachian streams. A few days earlier, lawyers for kidney dialysis and biotechnology companies registered their complaints at the OMB about new Medicare reimbursement rules. Lobbyists for customs brokers complained about proposed counterterrorism rules that require the advance reporting of shipping data.
I'd like to see some details. The shipping data regs might be excellent.

But ya gotta love that coal slurry in Appalachian streams. Yum...

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As the deadlines near, the administration has begun to issue regulations of great interest to industry, including, in recent days, a rule that allows natural gas pipelines to operate at higher pressures and new Homeland Security rules that shift passenger security screening responsibilities from airlines to the federal government. The OMB also approved a new limit on airborne emissions of lead this month, acting under a court-imposed deadline.

Many of the rules that could be issued over the next few weeks would ease environmental regulations, according to sources familiar with administration deliberations.

A rule put forward by the National Marine Fisheries Service and now under final review by the OMB would lift a requirement that environmental impact statements be prepared for certain fisheries-management decisions and would give review authority to regional councils dominated by commercial and recreational fishing interests.

An Alaska commercial fishing source, granted anonymity so he could speak candidly about private conversations, said that senior administration officials promised to "get the rule done by the end of this month" and that the outcome would be a big improvement.

Lee Crockett of the Pew Charitable Trusts' Environment Group said the administration has received 194,000 public comments on the rule and protests from 80 members of Congress as well as 160 conservation groups. "This thing is fatally flawed" as well as "wildly unpopular," Crockett said.

Two other rules nearing completion would ease limits on pollution from power plants, a major energy industry goal for the past eight years that is strenuously opposed by Democratic lawmakers and environmental groups.

One rule, being pursued over some opposition within the Environmental Protection Agency, would allow current emissions at a power plant to match the highest levels produced by that plant, overturning a rule that more strictly limits such emission increases. According to the EPA's estimate, it would allow millions of tons of additional carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually, worsening global warming.

A related regulation would ease limits on emissions from coal-fired power plants near national parks.

A third rule would allow increased emissions from oil refineries, chemical factories and other industrial plants with complex manufacturing operations.

These rules "will force Americans to choke on dirtier air for years to come, unless Congress or the new administration reverses these eleventh-hour abuses," said lawyer John Walke of the Natural Resources Defense Council.

But Scott H. Segal, a Washington lawyer and chief spokesman for the Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, said that "bringing common sense to the Clean Air Act is the best way to enhance energy efficiency and pollution control." He said he is optimistic that the new rule will help keep citizens' lawsuits from obstructing new technologies.

God bless Clinton for trying to last-minute steamroll regs at the end of his term. Opposing response achieved this:

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Through the end of the Clinton administration, we were working like crazy to get as many regulations out as possible," said Donald R. Arbuckle, who retired in 2006 after 25 years as an OMB official. "Then on Sunday, the day after the inauguration, OMB Director Mitch Daniels called me in and said, 'Let's pull back as many of these as we can.' "

Clinton's appointees wound up paying a heavy price for procrastination. Bush's team was able to withdraw 254 regulations that covered such matters as drug and airline safety, immigration and indoor air pollutants. After further review, many of the proposals were modified to reflect Republican policy ideals or scrapped altogether.

Seeking to avoid falling victim to such partisan tactics, White House Chief of Staff Joshua B. Bolten in May imposed a Nov. 1 government-wide deadline to finish major new regulations, "except in extraordinary circumstances."

That gives officials just a few more weeks to meet an effective Nov. 20 deadline for the publication of economically significant rules, which take legal effect only after a 60-day congressional comment period. Less important rules take effect after a 30-day period, creating a second deadline of Dec. 20.

OMB spokeswoman Jane Lee said that Bolten's memo was meant to emphasize the importance of "due diligence" in ensuring that late-term regulations are sound. "We will continue to embrace the thorough and high standards of the regulatory review process," she said.

Sometimes being a jerk creates (unintentionally) good results. At least we're hearing about this stuff now instead of January 10th or so.

[ October 31, 2008, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]

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kenmeer livermaile
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Here's a letter I wrote to my two senators:

Dear Senator:

Regarding the regs/deregs mentioned in this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/30/AR200810300

Would you please a) dig your teeth into this where you can b) advise me where I should write letters, which agencies, et cetera?

I prefer to make my concerns known as a single citizen rather than a signature of a special interest bloc. (I like to do both:)

One or two of the regs sound actually beneficial (shipping data, for example) but the rest are the same old cash'n'trash.

Sincerely,

Kenmeer Livermaile

I won't even bother writing to my Congresswoman, Cathy McMorris Rogers, who's been a Bush rubberstamp from day one (and will not be long in office, I anticipate).

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kenmeer livermaile
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Obama's a highyaller who can't dance.

McCain has to use extra wide-screen teleprompters.

Biden wears a Dr. Love toupee in bed.

Palin wears a girdle.

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Cindy the Pod Hive Queen
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