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Greg Davidson
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I have a confession to make - I have been unfaithful to Ornery.

I have found another website in the name of another Science Fiction author whose ridiculous right wing extremism in a recent novel led me to his community forum (dansimmons.com, the book is Flashback).

It's not like Ornery, but it is a bit refreshing to trot out some "oldies" arguments and see those with opposing views truly seem startled (I'm arguing the xenophobia implicit in the characterization of a Muslim Community Center as a "Ground Zero Mosque" at the moment).

So I may be here a little less, until I get it out of my system...

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Potential BBC headline: Can Facebook survive without civilization?
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quote:
Originally posted by Greg Davidson:
I have a confession to make - I have been unfaithful to Ornery.

I have found another website in the name of another Science Fiction author whose ridiculous right wing extremism in a recent novel led me to his community forum (dansimmons.com, the book is Flashback).

It's not like Ornery, but it is a bit refreshing to trot out some "oldies" arguments and see those with opposing views truly seem startled (I'm arguing the xenophobia implicit in the characterization of a Muslim Community Center as a "Ground Zero Mosque" at the moment).

So I may be here a little less, until I get it out of my system...

If you truly want an out of body experience, try my "TedK" trick. Try to argue the position of someone on this board whose views differ from yours. [Big Grin]
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Me: Which is dumber - a bag of rocks or a box of rocks?

My daughter: A box of rock, because at least with a bag of rocks you can swing it around and hurt someone reeeal baayaad.

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An amusing bit I saw floating around:

The Economy is so bad that:
-I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.
-African television stations are now showing 'Sponsor an American Child' commercials
-I ordered a burger at McDonald's and the kid behind the counter asked, "Can you afford fries with that?"
-CEOs are now playing miniature golf.
-Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen.
-My ATM gave me an IOU!
-A stripper was killed when her audience showered her with rolls of pennies while she danced.
-I saw a polygamist with only one wife.
-I bought a toaster oven and my free gift with the purchase was a bank.
-If the bank returns your check marked "Insufficient Funds," you call them and ask if they meant you or them.
-McDonald's is selling the 1/4 ouncer.
-Angelina Jolie adopted a child from America.
-Parents in Beverly Hills fired their nannies and learned their children's names.
-My cousin had an exorcism but couldn't afford to pay for it, and they re-possessed her!
-A truckload of Americans was caught sneaking into Mexico.
-Motel Six won't leave the light on anymore.
-A picture is now only worth 200 words. They renamed Wall Street "Wal-Mart Street".
-When Bill and Hillary travel together, they now have to share a room.
-The Treasure Island casino in Las Vegas is now managed by Somali pirates.
-I was so depressed last night that I called the Suicide Hotline. I got a call center in Pakistan; they got all excited, and asked if I could drive a truck.

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"Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen" made me laugh.
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When Yogourt attacks
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quote:
I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.
[LOL]

But the congressmen one is the funniest...

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Has anyone heard from Mxpickle since he tried to bond himself out last week?

I was expecting a follow up story about retarded Houston cops, but I can't find one anywhere.

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Damn. I'll have to look up his number.
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I don't see any posts from him since the 17th. This does not bode well.
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I'm okay. Thanks for asking. Sorry, had to take some time off to keep from typing in curse-words in reply to y'alls resident *******/cartoon.

Don't know what I told y'all last but a talk with the Chief of Police kept me from being beaten or further harassed beyond being imprisoned at first the city jail, where I was forced to turn myself in because they wouldn't send the warrant down to county, as is SOP, because they wanted to punish me as much as possible for not being appreciative enough at their heroic, yet futile, failed, and pathetic, attempt at capturing my desperado wife. (They wanted her because she was accused of taking money from her former employer. (Notice not a violent crime,nor one that involved drugs or weapons!) A rich rich ******* who made passes at her until she was forced to quit. She was afraid I'd find out and end up beating his ass and ending up in jail! Oh, gotta love the irony! Did I mention this ******* set outside my home in his truck and watched the police force me out of my home, force me to kneel in my own drive-way, handcuff me and put me in a squad car? I don't know what he told them that made them approach my home in Tuscan Lakes like it was a Crack House or a Waco Religious Compound, but hopefully we'll find out when we go to court to adjudicate the lawsuit I am filing against him.) Anyway, I was then transported to Galveston and imprisoned in the county jail. At both places I was photographed, printed, and taken in and out of handcuffs and jail cells.

During the half hour ride to county I was kept in the back, of course, in what amounted to a small cage. Bars on all the windows and handcuffed behind my back. What if she'd gotten in a wreck on the highway? Once again I'm forced to point out that the bs charge against me was for a Facebook remark, not a violent crime, so why the handcuffs behind the back? Are they really that terrified of people? Is their safety really so much more important than people who are still "innocent in the eyes of the law"? Innocent people who they subject, every day, to potentially dying trapped in the back of a police car as it burns on the highway? Not becoming one of them, as my father had been, was probably the best decision I ever made. It kept me from ending up a divorced, alcoholic, suicidal *******. (It is some consolation to me that the fascists that robbed me of my Honor and my sense of security (the belief that in the USA I was safe in my own home as long as I hadn't broken the law) are going to be, statistically speaking, subjected to those horrors. Cops and Dentists go back and forth between #1 and #2 in those categories.) As it is I'm a happily married, non-alcoholic, non-suicidal *******. Unfortunately, it seems being an ******* is a crime here in Texas! But then again what isn't!

Of course since they used something I said on Facebook to falsely accuse me of "Interfering in the apprehension of a known felon", (Forget that she wasn't even home and I didn't know there was any kind of warrant out for her before they announced it over the loudspeaker, screw you G2 I'm not required to open the door to screaming fanactics weilding shotguns and misdemeanor warrants, and I opened it once they announced they had a felony warrant.) (They never showed that to me Pete; should I have insisted on seeing it? Kind of slipped my mind when I opened the door and found myself staring down the barrel or a shotgun wielded by a skinhead ******* in Terminator shades and body armor (that still cracks me up/disgusts me), I shouldn't be writing anything else online, but I'm already screwed. I've spent the last couple of weeks hating myself and not being able to sleep. Every time I try to close my eyes I replay the event over in my head and hate myself for not forcing them to taze me. At the time I though kneeling slowly was more dignified than flopping around on my drive-way like a fish out of water after being tazed by the blonde female officer. If I'd had time to think about it I would have never had knelt. I really have to learn my rights. Though knowing them and being allowed to retain them by the local gestapo are two different things.

I'm still waiting to find out when I will get my day in court. Looking forward to paying a lawyer even more money to fight the bull**** charge. Thousands of dollars I'll never get back, but if I hadn't had the money I'd "still" be sitting in a jail cell waiting for my day in court. Innocent until proven guilty! Right. But we'll just treat you like a criminal until you can prove you can afford to prove you are innocent. Then we won't apologize and don't even think of getting any of your money back! Beautiful system we have here. God Bless America! USA #1! No matter what Hannibal and G2 say! [Smile]

The women cops were the only ones that acted halfway decent. Yes you can hear the blond lady officer cussing at me on the first of the tape and you can hear the brunette at the end of the tape explain to me how they are the voice of God and I had better do everything they tell me next time. But that was much better than the skinhead male cops threatening me and telling me "You'd better not **** with us next time we come back here!" (also on the tape) or telling me to "Get on your knees!" while pointing a shotgun at the back of my head. So, I think all cops should be women. They are not overdosing on testosterone like the local skinheads and they don't seem to have the "bullying" scars from high school like most male cops. (Either being bullied or being the bullies.) And with tazers and guns it doesn't matter that cops be physically strong anymore. But however they do it they shouldn't combine the two! When the cops forced me out of my house at shotgun point the lead skinhead, in the shades, leather gloves, and body armor, was surrounded by three very pretty lady cops. A blonde, a brunette, and a redhead. I kid you not! I know it sounds like I should have started the story off "Dear Penthouse.." but it's true. And since the skinhead punk with the shotgun never had a girlfriend in high school it was inevitable that he would act like a cross between God of the Old Testament and Dirty Harry! Poor guy! How's he supposed to know how to act around women when he's never had one. (Another reason pussies, I mean guys, become cops. Women love the uniform. Also, a big reason why most of them cheat and end up divorced. [Smile] Careful what you wish for!) So, all cops should be women or guys that actually got laid in high school!

So, that's the story, and more, so far. I'll try to be more considerate. Sometimes I spend so much time trying to ignore the fact that Ornery exists in its current state I forget that I still have friends here. Hope y'all are doing better than I. Though saying that made me think of Pete's son and his illness, and of my own son and the fact that survived, despite having been nearly killed in church when he was 3 and having to be life-flighted to Herman's Children's Hospital where we were told that he was going to die from his injuries. Which makes me realize there are worse things in this world than being persecuted by redneck fascists.

[ September 02, 2011, 02:29 AM: Message edited by: MxPickle ]

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Pete at Home
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quote:
Originally posted by MxPickle:
I don't know what he told them that made them approach my home in Tuscan Lakes like it was a Crack House or a Waco Religious Compound

Hell hath no fury like a bored cop.

Although I did actually meet an honest one today. Go figure. Patient, too. My client won the lottery that this guy didn't take the opportunity to plant bogus charges. I started to thank the cop, but he was insulted at the very implication that he'd even think of doing otherwise. Wish the system would clone him and make 10,000 copies, to replace all the psychos and tweakers and borderliners on the police farce.

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But we'll just treat you like a criminal until you can prove you can afford to prove you are innocent.
Sad to say that's how it is. And sad that's the situation that I've made my living on. I console myself with the folks I've rescued from a terrible plight, but wish I was independently rich and could do it for free, rather than making money off a system which sometimes seems like a satire of what it pretends to be.

Nevertheless, there are some good honest cops, judges, defense attorneys, and even a few decent prosecutors in the mix ... even in this Rome that was built in a day.

My current boss used to be an attorney in Texas, and he's one of the most conscientious attorneys I've ever known. (He's also Catholic, [kicks KE] [Razz] )

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Every time I try to close my eyes I replay the event over in my head and hate myself for not forcing them to taze me.
[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

NO, KE, no! If you'd forced them to do more violence, they would have taken the time to fabricate more charges and "facts" against you, to justify what they did. Unless your house is rigged to record video and audio legally in your state, you do NOT want to go up against cops on the stand. Especially in Texas where the criminal system is separate from the civil, and elected to boot. (What gets judges elected? Certificates from cops and prosecutors for being "tough on crime." Who do they give such certifications to? Judges who rubber-stamp their lies and wink when cops lie on the stand).

I hope your wife appreciates your making yourself a sacrificial lamb on her behalf.

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She doesn't. Today she said she's trying to keep me out of it as much as possible. As if that is possible at all after 23 years of marriage.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimjongilia

NSFW or SFW??

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Just finished a two-hour lesson on the trapeze for the first time in my life (Trapeze School New York at the Santa Monica Pier). I had never even hung from monkey bars upside-down as a kid. Took about 6-7 jumps, I was able to get to a knee hang from the bar, but could not get high enough at the end to be "caught" by the instructor swinging on the other bar. Still, a triumph for going beyond my envelope. And I appreciate my hamstrings in a way I never have before.
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Be careful, Greg. Republicans see the world upside down. If you hang upside down long enough you could turn Conservative.
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This is mostly a political forum, so this seems appropriate given the current state of things in the federal government. This speech was written by Benjamin Franklin and delivered on the last day of the Constitutional Convention on Sept. 17, 1787. Even on the last day it wasn't clear that the delegates to the convention would approve it to be sent to their state legislatures for ratification. There was something in it for everyone to hate. Soon after the speech was read the document was signed by all but three of the delegates.
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Mr. President

I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise. It is therefore that the older I grow, the more apt I am to doubt my own judgment, and to pay more respect to the judgment of others. Most men indeed as well as most sects in Religion, think themselves in possession of all truth, and that wherever others differ from them it is so far error. Steele, a Protestant, in a Dedication tells the Pope that the only difference between our Churches in their opinions of the certainty of their doctrines is, the Church of Rome is infallible and the Church of England is never in the wrong. But though many private persons think almost as highly of their own infallibility as of that of their sect, few express it so naturally as a certain french lady, who in a dispute with her sister, said "I don't know how it happens, Sister but I meet with no body but myself, that's always in the right — Il n'y a que moi qui a toujours raison."

In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of Government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered, and believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other. I doubt too whether any other Convention we can obtain, may be able to make a better Constitution. For when you assemble a number of men to have the advantage of their joint wisdom, you inevitably assemble with those men, all their prejudices, their passions, their errors of opinion, their local interests, and their selfish views. From such an assembly can a perfect production be expected? It therefore astonishes me, Sir, to find this system approaching so near to perfection as it does; and I think it will astonish our enemies, who are waiting with confidence to hear that our councils are confounded like those of the Builders of Babel; and that our States are on the point of separation, only to meet hereafter for the purpose of cutting one another's throats. Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure, that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good. I have never whispered a syllable of them abroad. Within these walls they were born, and here they shall die. If every one of us in returning to our Constituents were to report the objections he has had to it, and endeavor to gain partizans in support of them, we might prevent its being generally received, and thereby lose all the salutary effects & great advantages resulting naturally in our favor among foreign Nations as well as among ourselves, from our real or apparent unanimity. Much of the strength & efficiency of any Government in procuring and securing happiness to the people, depends, on opinion, on the general opinion of the goodness of the Government, as well as of the wisdom and integrity of its Governors. I hope therefore that for our own sakes as a part of the people, and for the sake of posterity, we shall act heartily and unanimously in recommending this Constitution (if approved by Congress & confirmed by the Conventions) wherever our influence may extend, and turn our future thoughts & endeavors to the means of having it well administred.

On the whole, Sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the Convention who may still have objections to it, would with me, on this occasion doubt a little of his own infallibility, and to make manifest our unanimity, put his name to this instrument.


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The world's oldest running car is on the auction block. It's steam-powered. Just thought it was really cool and wanted to share. [Smile]
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Chael, as a woman, how do you feel about that vehicle being marketed as a "chick magnet"? [Wink]
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As a woman, I suspect it depends on the chick. Best not to buy a car for its sex appeal unless you know it has a broad-ranging draw. Ranging broad draw? Heh, I should not respond to these questions at 3:00 AM.
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Unless I'm only attracted to a very specific type of "broad." [Big Grin]

So what specific sort of "chick" would be attracted to such a vehicle? Emilia Erhart, perhaps?

It took me a bit to come up with a response that was properly punny.

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Well, yes. I suppose there's always specificity. But isn't the point of chick-magnet cars the quantity, rather than the quality, of the attracted?..

I'd brood on this a bit, were my tastes not more for avoiding procreation.
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(Anyhow, I don't know how accurate the chick-magnet label is--probably not very--but I do think it's a cool car. And cool that it still exists, and even runs! [Wink] )

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quote:
But isn't the point of chick-magnet cars the quantity, rather than the quality, of the attracted?
Actually, I think the trope talks of the superficial quality of babe-birds that swoop when their eyes get strung upon a glossy bit of gleam.

It's certainly the superficial qualities a guy is probably after if he chooses his tractor based on the pull of its beam...

But personally, I find that birds will be birds, and quite a quantity of different qualities of feather seem drawn to shiny things, and a fair few are fond of flying fast too...

[Wink]

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Do I see Richard Dey has signed up again? Richard, are you out there?

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Do I see Richard Dey has signed up again? Richard, are you out there?
A merely similar-seeming shadow, surely.

Dey's day seems sadly done, but Deyism undoubtedly lives on.

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One Dey at a Time.
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Hey everybody! Nothing new; SOSO. Just wanted to say Hey!

Hey!


KE

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Hey back!
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What news, KE?
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Did you hear about the woman who was attacked by a group of mimes?

They did unspeakable things to her.

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Achmed, you are beating a dead goat! Why didn't you invite me?
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For Pete and Jason (our resident lawyers). Cain has denied the sexual harassment charges. The two women involved supposedly signed sealed agreements that don't allow them to speak out on the issue. My question is why can Cain speak out? Might that void the agreements with the women?
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I assume that Cain's Attorney crafted the agreement to allow Cain to deny. It's a shame that the law can be used facilitate to what might be hush money on one hand or cynical extortion on the other but so it goes. Such against agreements often give.one party license to actually lie about what happened while purchasing the other party's silence. Very often the payee agrees to not disclose agreement terms, and in some cases, agreed to not disclose even the existence of the agreement.

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A bit more info:
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Cain may have waived the confidentiality requirements by talking publicly about the settlement, including disclosing details of the agreement, Bennett told NPR. That could potentially free up his client, as well as a second woman who settled a similar complaint, to speak publicly.

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Bennett knows the precise terms of the settlement agreement, and I imagine those terms are not public.
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Hey Pete--I sent you an email, but the only one I have is the superold one associated with this account. If you can't access that account anymore, will you shoot me a mail at mine (same as always and connected to my Ornery login)?
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Hi Funean! I dug up my yahoo account, found your email, and emailed you back from my gmail account. The public accessibility of the Yahoo account, because it's publicly available through this site and others, makes it spam-choked.
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Just reread OSC's 2007 book "Invasive Procedures". (With Aaron Johnston). Sometimes I forget how good a writer he really is.

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