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caladbolg1125
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Post humorous or contradictory instances of self-reference, as many as you like. The classic example is the Epimenides paradox which simplifies down to "This statement is false."

Yay, shifting truth values. But its a rather simple loop that is quite easily broken out of by sufficiently complex entities such as ourselves.

My current favorite is actually somewhat conditional. It's only funny as a non-sequiter.

"Why did you ask me that question out of the blue?"

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Self-reference
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It might only be a partial non sequiter, if it's only partially self-referential.
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That opens up all sorts of questions about degrees of reference and degrees of (er, how should I say this...) non-sequiterness?

This statement does not follow.

This is not a statement?

This not a sentence because it no verbs.

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Sometimes when I doubt myself, I wonder if I really should.
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Even when I think positive I can't do it.
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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All those Elbonians are prejudiced.
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Everyone thinks I'm paranoid. Even you. Yes, you.

ADMIT IT!

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When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary to take stock of what lies before us, and what will come after, we may find that it behooves us to measure the full breadth of our aspirations against the totality of our history, and thereby come to a full accounting of the endeavors of every citizen of this great nation of ours.
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I never post in discussion boards.
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I don't speak English.
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<name>, I'm not addressing you.
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"You're so vain.
You probably think this song is about you.
You're so vain,
I bet you think this song is about you.
Don't you? Don't you?"

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I always lie.
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The self-recursive acronym GNU, which stands for "GNU not Unix"

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and to adapt a Hofstadter one, consider the phrase:

when proceeded by its own quotation is a valid sentence

c.f.

"when proceeded by its own quotation is a valid sentence", when proceeded by its own quotation is a valid sentence.

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And my favourite flip-side of the "this sentence is false" type:

"this sentence is true" can be either true or false. (If you regard it as false, it is self-consistent).

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Some times I stop to think and forget to start again.
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This message can't be posted.
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The one thing you can be sure of is that nobody every really knows anything.
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I don't know that.
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I can't read.

You're reading me.

I am not the writer of me.

I'm not really a self aware sentence.

I am.

I like to pretend to be self aware and penguins.

The guy above me likes to pretend to be penguins?

I'm purple.

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Non cogito, ergo non sum.
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