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I'd challenge you to throw the incumbent GOP or DNC out of the county you live in. Consrvatives have been trying to get rid of the corrup GOP in my county for 30 years - and its a near impossibility (of course you would actually have to have some experience to understand these things) Even an elitist like yourself would crumble and fail miserably. What Palin went up against was a major feat regardless if you are able to comprehend it or not. Even more impressive is the fact that her political career would have came about much easier if she simply gave up her values and fell in line with the incumbent GOP. This would be a much easier path but she choose the more difficult but virtuous route --- a little fact that liberal elitist simply cant grasp.

Your arrogance, however, tells me that you wouldnt be able to see real leadership and ability if it was staring you in your face.

What Palin accomplished the DNC couldnt do for decades and left wing zealots will never give her credit. absolutely pathetic.

Oh she has ability. She had the ability to pander to the dumbest, rock-bottom anti-intellectual component of the Republican base. She's got the charm and folksy charisma to appeal to a certain type of voter, the type that is so narcissistic as to think that Joe six-pack and Jane soccer-mon really can and should lead the country.

You call me elitist and arrogant, but I don't have the audacity to think that I can lead a country with no meaningful education or experience.

Palin is what happens when the hillbillies get together and decide to put one of their own in power. Watching her talk was beyond painful. It was embarrassing. I will give her credit for charming the pants off the brain-dead set enough to get where she got. Like a horrendously bad movie that still rakes in big at the box office, Palin proves the point that if you appeal to the lowest common denominator, you can still be successful. That may be a great accomplishment in your mind. I just find it sad.

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Pinochio wrote:
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This would be a much easier path but she choose the more difficult but virtuous route --- a little fact that liberal elitist simply cant grasp.

Your arrogance, however, tells me that you wouldnt be able to see real leadership and ability if it was staring you in your face.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that. Your name calling skills lack elegance, wit, aim and are fundamentally weak, at least for this fora. I'll give you props for your moxie, but so far, you're shooting with a bb gun.

Of course, you have proclaimed yourself "a dumb right-wing farmer who doesnt [sic] know anything and has no business questiong [sic] who liberal elitist [sic] think are stupid." In that respect, you have been spot on.

[ November 18, 2008, 02:11 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]

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"When debating with fools its easy to be confuse with one"

I was hoping this forum was more than a bunch of left-wing elitist zealots. Its apparent that I was completely wrong.

I refuse to debate Palin's qualifications with people who dont have a fraction of the political and executive experience as she does.

Unfortunately, its apparent, your opinions far exceed your knowledge base therefore its impossible to have a intellectually honest conversation regarding this topic.

I dont want to be confused as the fool,, so I will move on.

[ November 18, 2008, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Pinochio ]

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Hmmm... Pinochio sounds a lot like TSG in drag.
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"When debating with fools its easy to be confuse [sic] with one"

I was hoping this forum was more than a bunch of left-wing elitist zealots. Its apparent that I was completely wrong.

Once again, epic fail.

It seems you have not met Redskullvw, flydye, G2, daruma, Lover of Joy, Pete at Home, msquared, The Drake, Lobo, FiredrakeRAGE, cherrypoptart, cb, Koner at Home, philnotfil, EDanall, Omega M., IrishTD, Mariner, cperry, and of course, Ron Lambert.

But keep telling yourself that, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

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I refuse to debate Palin's qualifications with people who dont [sic] have a fraction of the political and executive experience as she does.

So are you even qualified to debate yourself?

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I dont want to be confused as the fool,, [sic] so I will move on.

Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[ November 18, 2008, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]

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Originally posted by DonaldD:
Hmmm... Pinochio sounds a lot like TSG in drag.

TSG wore drag, was a drag, dragged down Ornery.

Haggis, let him realize that there are a few Conservatives...and a hell of a lot of zealot Liberals here. He's a noob.

Don't forget Paladine.

[ November 18, 2008, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: flydye45 ]

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Doh. I can't believe I forgot Paladine.

I like our Conservatives. They are serious, thoughtful, and make me think about things. The reflexive tossing around of banal, regurgitated catch-phrases like "liberal elite" does not suggest that same level of discourse.

Hell, flydye, you sh*t better smack-talk than that.

[ November 18, 2008, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]

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Let me posit an interview.
Your hypothetical snipped interview is all very well and good, except that there were parts that weren't snipped, and she didn't come through at the end with a thoughtful and intelligent answer. You know, the footage was obviously continuous and she just couldn't make sense.

And the debates were continuous as well.

Sorry, fly. She's an incapable idiot and a disgrace to the honor and intelligence of the Republican party, and in my book that's all there is to it. You're not going to convince many people that if only those dastardly networks hadn't edited the debates the way they did she would have seemed MUCH smarter.

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The mainstream media gladly accepted any wild story on Palin, more often than not reporting only vague rumor - and failing to follow up with corrections or retractions when the facts were later clarified. The leftist illuminati were not concerned with reporting the truth this year; only in helping their favorite candidate to win the election.

They are not journalists; they are lobbyists.

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You do realize that it was Fox News that broke the "Palin-doesn't-know-that-Africa-is-a-Country" story?

Does that make Fox News another Liberal lobbist? [Eek!]

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
You do realize that it was Fox News that broke the "Palin-doesn't-know-that-Africa-is-a-Country" story?

Does that make Fox News another Liberal lobbist? [Eek!]

Its certainly evidence that they are not 'in the bag' for the GOP like ABCCBSNBCCNNMSNBCNYTIMES are commited campaign workers for the DNC. Thats the difference.
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"
Obama referred to the 57 states he visited. He omitted the "and territories" part.
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That has got to be the funniest excuse yet for an Obama miscue.

And even so, if he had said "57 states & territories" he STILL would have been wrong

The United States has 9 Territories as of right now.

So for Obama to have made a correct expression of reality, he would have had to have said "59 states and territories".

God this man can do no sin.

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The mainstream media gladly accepted any wild story on Palin, more often than not reporting only vague rumor - and failing to follow up with corrections or retractions when the facts were later clarified. The leftist illuminati were not concerned with reporting the truth this year; only in helping their favorite candidate to win the election.

They are not journalists; they are lobbyists.

[DOH] And if our opinion of Palin was based on these stories, you might come close to making a relevent point. But as Ops rightly pointed out, we concluded that Palin was a moron from her live, unedited performance during the debate, together with her contiguous and totally incoherent performance in the Couric interview. There is no way to "edit" or "filter" a live performance, and no way to white-wash her embarassing implosion during the Couric interview.

Palin is transparently stupid to all who watch her perform, except, apparently, to the Yahoos she is meant to appeal to. The "Joe six-packs" who think that intellect and education are things to be suspicious of, the ones who mistake nuance for dishonesty, basically the bottom of the genetic barrel.

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And even so, if he had said "57 states & territories" he STILL would have been wrong
Unless there were two he didn't visit.
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Look, Obama biffed on that one. The thing is, he had been campaining for over a year when he said that, so there was some general agreement that the mistake was not egregious. And he got a pass. Not because he is the Messiah, but because in the time he was campaigning, he had a low gaffe to intelligent comment ratio.

Palin got the shaft precisely because she was an unknown, at least on the national level. So she had no track record to fall back on when she stumbled.

[ November 18, 2008, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]

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Not to mention that the statements "Palin is incapable and unready" and "the media display bias" aren't mutually exclusive. The existance of one doesn't disprove the other.

edited for finicky noun/verb agreement fix

[ November 18, 2008, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: Funean ]

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I'm disappointed for everyone not calling flydye on this:

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HIS fudge is a tasty treat. Not like that Palin hussy.

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That's your job, Tommy. We *do* have a division of labor, here.
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Pfft. I have a fudge recipe that would blow them both away. [Smile]
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And you make it in the microwave, no?
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Jason said:
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Palin is transparently stupid to all who watch her perform, except, apparently, to the Yahoos she is meant to appeal to. The "Joe six-packs" who think that intellect and education are things to be suspicious of, the ones who mistake nuance for dishonesty, basically the bottom of the genetic barrel.
Jason, you completely misunderstand "Joe Six Pack". Average, conservative, blue collar Americans don't consider themselves to be stupid, and they aren't looking for stupid leaders. They dislike liberal intellectuals who they view as condescending, not intellectuals in general. They like Palin because she whole-heartedly shares their worldview, and they know they can trust her to advance it.

They also may have been desparate for a hero after settling for McCain, but I don't want to wander too much further down the road of motive speculation.

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Jason, you completely misunderstand "Joe Six Pack". Average, conservative, blue collar Americans don't consider themselves to be stupid, and they aren't looking for stupid leaders.
Well of course not. Nobody considers themselves stupid, any more than they'd consider themselves to be evil.

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They dislike liberal intellectuals who they view as condescending, not intellectuals in general.
Liberal intellectuals are condescending. I'm convinced that it was liberal arrogance that lost the 2004 election.

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They like Palin because she whole-heartedly shares their worldview, and they know they can trust her to advance it.
I think it goes further than that. See, while left-leaning intellectuals have been guilty of arrogance, so have the blue collar working class. These are the people who take the position that because they are working class, they are actually more virtuous, quite literally better than the white collar and professional classes. It's a reverse classism, whereby the blue collar types actually buy into the folksy populism of Sarah Palin and others who tell them what they want to hear. And they do it with all the encouragement and support of the politicians, who won't hesitate to pander to their working class vanity.

It's gone from a sense of pride in being working class and a sense that it's ok not to have an education, to outright contempt for people who are educated. It's outright contempt for intellect and worldliness. It's quite simply the belief of what Sarah Palin calls "real America" in their own superiority.

I firmly believe that Sarah Palin was chosen out of a sense of narcissism among certain segments of the population. People who have no education, have no need for an education, and think that their politicians don't need one either.

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They also may have been desparate for a hero after settling for McCain, but I don't want to wander too much further down the road of motive speculation.
Sarah Palin is the culmination of an anti-intellectual strain in America that has gotten stronger and stronger in recent years. She is the personification of this contempt for education and intellect. Imagine a Mary Antoinette telling the people from her palace to let them eat cake, and then turn that on its head, and that's what Palin is. She's the supreme everyman elitist.
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Liberal intellectuals are condescending.
Damn straight. Lord knows I am.
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I'm convinced that it was liberal arrogance that lost the 2004 election.
I'm convinced it was because John Kerry was a crappy candidate.
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"Liberal intellectuals are condescending."

And libertarians are heartless bastards, conservatives are morons, christians are moralizing hypocrits, socialists are lazy, muslims are terrorists, jews are penny pinchers, atheists have no morals...

yeah, thats a good can of worms to open, jason.

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I think Everard ate the fudge and Sarah's hussy...
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Her WHAT?
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quote:
Originally posted by TommySama:
I'm disappointed for everyone not calling flydye on this:

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HIS fudge is a tasty treat. Not like that Palin hussy.


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Let me posit an interview.
Your hypothetical snipped interview is all very well and good, except that there were parts that weren't snipped, and she didn't come through at the end with a thoughtful and intelligent answer. You know, the footage was obviously continuous and she just couldn't make sense.

And the debates were continuous as well.

Sorry, fly. She's an incapable idiot and a disgrace to the honor and intelligence of the Republican party, and in my book that's all there is to it. You're not going to convince many people that if only those dastardly networks hadn't edited the debates the way they did she would have seemed MUCH smarter.

I'm assuming that you totally missed the bit where I said Palin was unqualified, that I am not defending her, or that I wasn't frigging shouting at the television during her debate. I did, I'm not, and I was apoplectic, because Biden is also a moron who left his flank wide open many MANY times. (If you continue in this, I'm going Mojo Jojo, and will reiterate, repeat, double up, overstate and digress on the same point again and again and again, ad nauseum, continuing to beat a dead horse to drive the point home. Let's avoid that, kay?)

It is NOT my intent to parse the Couric interview as blantly unfair to Palin (though the Bush Doctrine question was unfairly vauge and Couric wasn't going to clarify a bit. She was looking for that response and happy to have done it. Too bad she forgot that killer instinct when she interviewed Obama). It was that Obama, Biden et al could have the same reactions to a question...and quietly have them edited out. That a pause to consider the question, which might be construed as unpreparedness can be shortened. Or that particularly good exchanges by Palin, McCain, etc can also be excised (which may have occured on occasion re Palin IIRC). If the media decides to only show the gold on one side, and the crap on another, is it any wonder a scewed view can be created.

Case in point. We know more about Joe the Plumber then Joe the Biden's lobbyist son. Why? Certainly if her husband is grist for the mill, questions about Biden as a gateway for Countrywide, Fannie and Freddie et al should be relevant questions MUCH discussed. Scarcely a word.

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Originally posted by Haggis:

Hell, flydye, you sh*t better smack-talk than that.

Thank you for that image. Just what I needed for an epitaph.
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Not to mention that the statements "Palin is incapable and unready" and "the media display bias" aren't mutually exclusive. The existance of one doesn't disprove the other.


Agreed
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I'm disappointed for everyone not calling flydye on this:

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HIS fudge is a tasty treat. Not like that Palin hussy.

Call it what? Read the excerpt. One's flubs and lies get a far more genial expose then the others. What does one call that? I think it starts with a "b".
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... fly you are innocent and pure
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It amazes me how many people still hold on, to some extent, to the inaccurate belief that Sarah Palin is stupid. She could not have accomplished all that she has if that line of propaganda were true. Judging by vocabulary, and capacity to articulate without a teleprompter, I believe she is the most intelligent of all the recent candidates for office.

Those of you who exalt Obama or McCain or Biden as being more intelligent, are mistaking how well the candidate can reason on his own, with how good he sounds when reading from a teleprompter. Obama and Biden both are terrible without a teleprompter--real gaffe machines. McCain is great at thinking on his feet, without relying on a teleprompter or rehearsed talking points--which is why he was so eager to get Obama into a "town hall" type of debate. Palin is just as good as McCain. Her only limitation was not having experience with national issues at the start. Her record shows she has always been a quick study.

Talk her down all you want to, you liberals, but conservatives know better, and regard Palin as one of the leading lights of conservative Republicans, especially looking ahead to 2012. We like her a lot, because she is smart and capable, and shows what a quality woman a conservative woman can be. As I've said before, the reason many liberals (especially liberal women) hate Palin so passionately, is because she shows them up. The conservative ideal woman is revealed in her as being much better than any liberal ideal woman. Which would parents want their daughters to be like when they grow up--Sarah Palin, or Hillary Clinton? (Or Jane Fonda, or whoever seems like a liberal ideal woman?)

[ November 19, 2008, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Ron Lambert ]

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As I've said before, the reason many liberals (especially liberal women) hate Palin so passionately, is because she shows them up.

She does, but only if you count fancy pageant walking.

And by the way 67% of conservatives want her as the presidential candidate in 2012. So do 100% of liberals.

[ November 19, 2008, 02:56 PM: Message edited by: Haggis ]

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Aha! Then I hope you get what you want!
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And you make it in the microwave, no?
Oh, yeah. Just whipped up a batch of fudge for a potluck at work. Always a popular item. [Big Grin]
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Ron,

Well if you're right, it pretty much won't matter who the Republicans nominate, since Obama will have centralized power and become the American Hitler.

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Which would parents want their daughters to be like when they grow up--Sarah Palin, or Hillary Clinton? (Or Jane Fonda, or whoever seems like a liberal ideal woman?)
Can I choose none of the above?
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Would it help if we threw Bristol Palin into the list?

^ ^
[Big Grin]

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