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TomDavidson
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According to anonymous poster LVille on Hatrack, Scott Stream was killed on Tuesday by an IED.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-090226soldier-letter,0,7802298.story

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Thank you, Tom.

Here's how I remember him:

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posted by Straygaldwyr:
There is no altruism to human extinction because there is no value intrinsic to nature. All value comes from our values and therefor in our absence there is no value. So taking away mankind takes away all value from the Earth. These people are sadly deluded and this discussion is in exactly the right place...

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Originally posted by Straygaldwyr:
You hear it all the time, "Obama is a Socialist and Radical" his own statements, candid and not at all out of context, his own supporters and friends and his description of his plans for welfare and income redistribution in America all underline this central fact. Yet I wonder if that is just what I hear because I choose my news sources.

My question is to those of you who believe in Obama, if he is not a Socialist then what is he? If his radical associations are harmless then who is he? What is he planning to do? Will he lose two winning military campaigns as he has promised? Will he really weaken us militarily just as the Russians threaten us with a second Cuban Missle Crisis? What is he from your point of view? Is it that you are all socialists as well and this is just what you have been waiting for? It is too close to the election for it to make a difference, take off the sheeps clothing and tell me what it is you really are, what he is, and stop pretending to be something palitable in the hopes I will bite, my ballot is in the mail, futility ranged against the Chicago machine of my state. So let it out of the bag!

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Originally posted by Straygaldwyr:
You are afraid to vote for McCain because you do not want to vote for someone who might lose?

Well that takes the cake...scared off by the media and looking for a different person who will certainly lose to vote for...good for you, maybe tommarrow I will sleep in because I am afraid of getting shot at.

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Originally posted by Straygaldwyr:
As Card pointed out we no longer have news media, we no longer have a Judicial System we can trust. We are on the ropes, and the future of the world is at stake. I will cast my one vote and fight on while America still has honor, and she will have honor so long as men like myself and the thousands of others in service continue to believe in it.

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[QUOTE] Yeah, because that's apparently all it takes to have honor: to believe in it

Yes, if you believe it is important you will have it. You probably think it is a joke that a man who values his freedom more then his life is automatically free too. But it is not a joke, it is simple truth, if you do not understand it...you really need to look into your life and see who failed you and look at yourself and see what it is you lack.

It is so important that you understand these things that you need to sit back and think hard until you really get it, or you will never be a real person, just a cardboard cuttout of one.

I don't share a lot of his politics, but he seems to have lived and died by his own ideals. I hope that I can live and die by mine.
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Oh no.
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Yes, that's Stray. Back when there was some question if he is legit, I managed to track him down by name, but never posted it here other to say that I had managed to verify who he is.

My brother is stationed in the area; I heard about the KIA's, but this is the first I've heard the names.

I'll have to dust off my bottle of Slivavits and have 3 shots for him.

Hear, hear, Pete.

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This is indeed terrible and shocking news. He and I almost never agreed on anything, but he was a man possessed of a fierce belief in his work and a strong, independent spirit. I salute him for it, and wish his family the best in this difficult time.
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We usually fought, but I find myself in tears.

Go in peace, friend.

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Damn it. I wonder if there's anything we can do for his family.
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My first reaction was sadness at the wastefulness of such a loss, but then I realized what an insult to his service that was.

Thank you for your service, Stray.

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I was thinking about that, too, sci. He has two young daughters, I believe.
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Well, what do we do for his family?

My family is poor as church mice of late. Medical bills, bills, bills... but we could send $5 a month. There are what? 50 steady posters here?

50 x 5 = $250/month.

Colin, would you be willing to set up a Paypal account for them?

Here's an image that further supports the notion that Scott is Stray:

Scott Stream

And this:

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The Department of Defense announced today the death of four soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom. They died Feb. 24 in Kandahar, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near their vehicle.
Killed were:
Capt. Brian M. Bunting, 29, of Potomac, Md. He was a member of the Individual Ready Reserve, assigned to the 27th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Syracuse, N.Y.
Sgt. Schuyler B. Patch, 25, of Owasso Okla. He was assigned to the 2nd Squadron, 106th Cavalry Regiment, 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Kewanee, Ill.
Sgt. Scott B. Stream, 39, of Mattoon, Ill. He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 130th Infantry Regiment, 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Effingham, Ill.
Sgt. Daniel J. Thompson, 24, of Madison, Wis. He was a member of the Individual Ready Reserve, assigned to the 715th Military Police Company, Melbourne, Fla.
For more information on Bunting, media may contact Mr. Eric Durr of the New York National Guard at (519) 786-4581.
For more information on Patch and Stream, media may contact Maj. Brad Leighton of the Illinois National Guard at (217) 761-3569.
For more information on Thompson, media may contact Lt. Col. Ron Tittle of the Florida National Guard at (904) 823-0166 or (904) 823-0168.

Man drove me crazy with certain contours of his logic process, and his zealotry was such that he did come across as too much to believe sometimes. Whatever. Nothing says 'we appreciate and honor and give a good damn' like cold hard cash in the mail every month.
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I wish LVille -- who claimed to be a personal friend -- had left any contact information. Sadly, he/she didn't.
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I'm a little surprised at how upset I am. Maybe I am a human.
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I am stunned to silence.

And though to be honest I never liked him, I truly never did... I still got to know his feelings better than I know those of too many people who live here around me.

And knowing for certain that he is dead... I don't feel ashamed of disliking him, but what I do feel is sorrow at his loss, nevertheless.

I'd prefer, without a second thought, with not a moment's hesitation, to have him here, to disagree with, and sometimes even to hate, then for him to be dead.

I actually want to cry. Dear God, if there be a heaven, send him there, whether he deserves it or not, because I cannot countenance the thought of him somewhere else.

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Bean's not the first person I've known -- virtually or in real life -- to die in this war. But it drives home to me the point: years from now, this had better have been worth it.
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"Sgt. Scott B. Stream, 39, of Mattoon, Ill. He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 130th Infantry Regiment, 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, Effingham, Ill."

Last time I saw my old man (and only time I got to spend time with him since I was a tiny guy), I helped move him from Alton, IL, to Effingham, IL. Spent about a month there. Lots of hog ranches like he described.

Home of the World's Biggest Effing Cross

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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
Damn it. I wonder if there's anything we can do for his family.

first options I'm thinking of:

write up a letter or a booklet, describing him, our relationship, what he made us feel (everyone putting in a page of some of our actually crazy exchanges) for laughs later and to show how, while he viewed the world differently, his heart was open and available.

We didn't yell at (love) him because we agreed with him, and he didn't yell at (love) us because we agreed with him.

His feelings were all good. For me, he was my opposite philosophical number, but not my enemy.

Then, print it up, send it to the family, and ask what they might need?

[ February 27, 2009, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: munga ]

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As good a place as any to start:

condolences

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Thanks for that link KL.
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I also find myself surprised at how upset I am.
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Munga, I was kind of thinking something like that.

Gather up his posts here; that will be more valuable than money to his daughters. They will get to know him better. (leave out the comments about the whack shack, though)

Re Money. His family will be fairly well compensated. He was not an idiot, so he would have carried the full SGLI life insurance: $400,000 to the beneficiaries, plus overdue pay and a handful of other benefits. He could have opted for even more if he wanted; with kids, I'd bet he carried more.

His daughters, if they so choose, will be able to attend one of the service academies.

More money could help, but I think something more in line with his life here on Ornery would be more appropriate.

Everyone keep posting here and we can add these to the book/printout for his family.

I can get in touch with my people and track down his unit, who will have a family support representative and bereavement detail to help out. They won't give us direct contact with the family, but can be used as a conduit to pass on whatever it is we want to pass on.

Actually, on that note, you can find the Guard units listed in the phone book; anyone in that area could call and ask to speak to the family support representative and explain what we want to do.

[ February 27, 2009, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: Colin JM0397 ]

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it's not like we have to write it. just dig it up and print.

do we have an editor? I'll pay for printing and stuff....

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Tech writer/editor for 10+ years now - I can do it. Not that we need one for anything other than organization. To change any verbiage isn't the way to do it. But I can make it pretty.
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quote:
Originally posted by Everard:
I also find myself surprised at how upset I am.

I was just thinking how I'd feel if Ricky or Kenmeer or Munga or someone else that I've been fighting with, but kind of like in spite of myself, were to suddenly die. Whether they ever returned the sentiment to me is irrelevant. It would be upsetting. I didn't follow your discussions with Stray, so I have no idea whether that applies, Ev. Just a thought.
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I found him on facebook if he is Scott Bradley Stream. I wonder if they have like a facebook memoriam type of function that a family member could take over and keep up with so that people can still add him as a friend forever. I think I probably agreed with him more than anyone else on here. If I’d known him in real life he and I probably would have gotten along very well. My mind’s drawing a blank on anything else to write. I don’t have the words. Just sadness.

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http://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Memory-of-Scott-Bradley-Stream/66693298392?sid=2ecb92a9669db816aa95ccdf58020115&ref=s

[ February 27, 2009, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: cherrypoptart ]

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RIP Stray. I always liked his unapologetic disdain for political correctness and liberal ideology.
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Colin,

Do you need anything? I'd also like to see it too, like online somewhere.

The family might like that too, someplace where people could know him. Even though it felt personal to us, Stray already "put it out" there, and his communication was really from the heart even if we didn't agree.

I'd throw in $50 for your time and supplies. Oh, and I think Red downloads Ornery often, so he could prolly hitch you up to his archives? Or just the search system.

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It goes to show how like family we are here. Most of us didn't agree with Stray, or even like him, but I, like all of you feel terrible.

KE

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aahh, but I liked him.

His potential, his drive, his ability to turn a phrase of potent pictures.

His humanity. His virtues. His goodness.

He'd say, "You're a naive idiot" when it meant, "You drive me crazy." He didn't hate me but I know I frustrated him.

In an imperfect world, God let's us all come and see the problems and pick the tools we think will work. Stray picked different tools than I did, but he tried to use his tools to complete good goals and didn't give in to any selfish dithering.

I don't even know if he'd take a salute from me, but I give him one.

As we say in Mormonland, he Returned With Honor.

[ February 27, 2009, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: munga ]

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I often disagreed with him, and was at times a bit afraid of his intensity, but I, too, feel nothing but sadness. We have all lost a significant member with his passing.

I shall always honor his service and sacrifice for us all. I hope he is now in a better place.

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I'll attempt to dig it all up this weekend. I have much of it on my hardrive anyway. Someone track down his family.
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Yes, I'm truly sorry to hear this too... he paid the ultimate price to keep us safe.

From the child of a vet, to the vet with children: Thank you for your service, and sorry that it cost you so much. [Salutes]

Ed.

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I e-mailed LVilla, Tom, asking him if he'd be willing to contact you.
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Then again, he can be found in the white pages.

I figured that would be so. He was always too true to hide anything.

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It's been years since I posted on Ornery, but I have continued to lurk off and on. I was often struck by what stray had to say, and found he often mirrored my own thoughts. It's the military thing, I guess. It hardens you, forces you to take notice of things civilians have the luxury of ignoring. Once you stand watch upon the wall, you always know why it's there, and what is outside.

Stray was often accused of being insincere. I think it would help his spirit rest easier if it were acknowledged that he has proved his sincerity beyond any doubt. He died living up to the philosophy he expressed here.

For a military man, there is no finer tribute than recognition, even from the enemy, that he was indeed an honorable man.

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Here here, stayne. I might not have agreed with him on much, but you have to honor a man that lived by his beliefs and died for his/our country.

I hope his family knows we are here and that we honor his service.

Somebody should put up a site where we can buy his children presents and help his wife out in any way we can. That's what families do.

And OSC should be commended for building a family of such diverse individuals.

KE

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I was thinking the other day about him and wondering how he was doing in Afganistan. He was having a rough time there as I recall.

I'll light a candle for him to Saint Micheal the Archangel or Saint George.

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Requiescat in pace. [Frown]
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Stray reponds to the threat of shunning

Remember this? I loved that he was so ethusiastic about being shunned.

[ February 28, 2009, 05:00 AM: Message edited by: Viking_Longship ]

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I hated his politics and many of his professed values, but I honor his service. RIP in an afterlife agreeable to you, Mr. Stream.
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