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JoshCrow
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Reading this piece this piece on MSNBC gave me no end of delight at what can only be the funniest typo ever. I'll let you find it for yourself.

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Those coming to the "Restore the Constitution" rally give Obama no quarter for signing the law that permits them to bring their guns to Fort Hunt, run by the National Park Service, and to Gravelly Point on the banks of the Potomac River. Nor are they comforted by a broad expansion of gun rights in several states since his election.

The brandishing of weapons is "not just an impotent symbol" but "a reminder of who we are," said Daniel Almond.

Incidentally, these people are well and truly disturbed personalities. I consider myself generally supportive of the right to bear arms, but these people are basically giving off every sign of mental illness.

It brings to mind a thought - that the eminent reasonableness of a government might leave the opposition no choice but to be utterly unreasonable. How else can one oppose a well-conceived policy but with a worse one? I fear that this is the ultimate catch-22. There will always be an opposition, no matter how good, reasonable, or successful the governance.

[ April 19, 2010, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: JoshCrow ]

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lol. It is MSNBC, maybe it was deliberate?
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"Impotent" ? (edit : should be "Potent" ?)

[ April 19, 2010, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: Hannibal ]

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Should be important, probably. But could very well be potent.
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Grant
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I love how we're now throwing out "mental illness" around. It seems to have become the chic thing to do.

But I'm willing to bite. What specific form of mental illness are these guys suffering from? Supported by the DSM-IV-TR?

I'm not defending these gun guys, I havn't even read what they did yet. I just would like more specifics when dealing with a mental illness diagnosis.

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I just would like more specifics when dealing with a mental illness diagnosis.
Why?
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Grant
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I dunno, I hate to think we're calling people mentally ill without anything to back it up. Like we're just pulling it out of thin air when we don't like somebody or what they're doing, so they're obviously mentally ill? That doesn't bother anybody other then me? I guess we should just start hurling all kinds of stuff at people we don't like. Racist, communist, fascist, crazy, dumb. I just wish words had meaning.

How can you just call somebody mentally ill just because you don't agree with them? I want to believe that nobody is doing something like that. I like to see people back up what they say. If these people are mentally ill, what mental illness do they suffer from?

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Colin JM0397
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It's much easier to just call them crazy. Makes the cognitive dissonance and looking in the mirror that much easier.

If I'm going to be impotent, I wanna look impotent.

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Makes the cognitive dissonance and looking in the mirror that much easier.
I'm curious, though, whether Gary would really prefer that someone here actually attempt to diagnose specific mental illnesses in this case.

[ April 19, 2010, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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Grant
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They're lucky it isn't the 1930s. FDR would have had McArthur checking the headspace and timing on the Army's Ma Deuces.

I have to hand it to the President for the way he seems to be handling these guys.

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Grant
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I am so sorry. It was Hoover who ordered the disbandment of the Bonus army in 1932. My bad.

I read would prefer someone try and diagnose a specific mental illness. It sounds fun, and at least it would back up what Josh wrote. I'm not denying that any of these people might be mentally ill, I just like to know somebody isn't just throwing names around.

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I was not making a medical diagnosis, but rather, was suggesting they are psychologically unwell, and their enthusiasm for this particular issue (which is distinct from merely supporting the principles involved) is, in effect, a manifestation of a kind of thinking that is common to deep-seated unhappiness.

I feel, in effect, that what these people experience is profound unhappiness - and it is externalized by their distrust for the concept of authority and fear of "the other".

... of course, none of this is evident in my initial post, where I admit it was basically just formed as an insult.

I found the typo of "an impotent symbol" so apt as a description that I almost think it was intended. Indeed, they are showing off what I think is a frustration with their own (perceived) impotence.

[ April 19, 2010, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: JoshCrow ]

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Grant
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LOL, I wouldn't characterize their actions as "wise." Armed insurrection against the Federal Government, even mock insurrection, tends to end unwell. Now if they actually try this in D.C., then I may be tempted myself, succumb, and just say they're crazy.

At some point there must be a line drawn between civil disobedience and insurrection. I think when you start protesting while carrying a loaded gun, you start to move towards the latter.

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On the other hand, I just watched a CNN video depicting a surprisingly level-headed militia member who really does seem like a guy who has it together and isn't the way they are usually portrayed.

If it were more about teaching survival skills and the like, I would call it a hobby. Militias could even be useful in the event of a natural catastrophe (as they are more likely to be prepared and have organization). It's only when there's the anti-authority subtext that I feel like it starts to indicate psychological warning signs, because I do not think these people even understand how little authority is actually exercised over them in the US. It is absurd in the face of reality, like the people complaining about taxation at the lowest tax levels in recent history.

[ April 19, 2010, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: JoshCrow ]

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Hey, I just spotted another typo in the same article:

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The Atlanta area real estate agent organized the rally because he is upset about health-care reform, climate control, bank bailouts, drug laws and what he sees as President Obama's insistence on and the Democratic Congress's capitulation to a "totalitarian socialism" that tramples individual rights.
He's upset about climate control? Does he feel this way about about air conditioning, specifically?
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Michelle
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quote:
Originally posted by Grant:
I dunno, I hate to think we're calling people mentally ill without anything to back it up. Like we're just pulling it out of thin air when we don't like somebody or what they're doing, so they're obviously mentally ill? That doesn't bother anybody other then me? I guess we should just start hurling all kinds of stuff at people we don't like. Racist, communist, fascist, crazy, dumb. I just wish words had meaning.

How can you just call somebody mentally ill just because you don't agree with them? I want to believe that nobody is doing something like that. I like to see people back up what they say. If these people are mentally ill, what mental illness do they suffer from?

When a community is worked into a frenzy like the gun community is of late, then there is always the chance for a culturally induced or hysterical psychosis at large.

There could be many shapes and sizes of neuroses at play.

The same could be said about the hysteria to elect John Kerry. [Razz]

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I can't actually think of anyone I know who was a hysterical supporter of John Kerry. *laugh*
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Michelle
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Actually, I believe the writer meant to use the word, impotent.

Replace it with the word, meaningless and you will see what I mean.

[ April 19, 2010, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Michelle ]

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Michelle
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Better yet, replace impotent with pointless. As in: having no thrust.

Impotent in hindsight is actually a perfect word! [Smile]

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Grant
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While taxation may be at the lowest level in "recent" years, depending on what you think is recent, it is certainly far off the levels taxation was at before the first world war.

I still don't really see anything that jumps out at me that tells me they're medically nuckin futz. It seems to me they have concerns over the direction of the country that is contrary to their beliefs of what is best for themselves and others. They are genuinely angry and feel helpless. Honestly I would think that giving them a way to voice their frustration might be healthy, as long as it is peaceful. Better that then denying them their ability to protest, having them get even more riled up about their rights, and have them start planning some really really crazy stuff.

Let them march around the national forest with their loaded weapons. Nobody for them to shoot except themselves and woodland critters. Dismissing them as crazy or moronic is probably the worst thing you can do if you politically oppose them.

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Colin JM0397
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This blog sums it up: Neoconned again
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In the month of April, 2005 thousands of citizens from all walks of life descended on the little town of Tombstone, AZ, the town too tough to die. We all coalesced and carried out our duties as we saw them both on the Naco line and the canyons of the San Juan Mountains. Everyone functioned on their own dime for the month of April and then the moneychangers struck, took over the movement and ultimately destroyed it. There was not nor is there any accounting of the thousands sent voluntarily to Tombstone. The continuing flow of money was put in caged accounts in Houston.

Now a second coming of the Minuteman Project, commonly known as the Tea Party Movement, has been taken over by moneychangers, nationally and statewide. In my opinion the most damning attack on the voluntary Tea Party Movement was and is instituted by Sarah Palin, the shill for “eternal war for eternal peace” warmongers and an Israel-firster. A deadly combination if you are a freedom-loving soul...


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