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djquag1
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I'm convinced Tesla was a wizard or a time traveler.
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Just FYI: the Tesla electric car story is almost certainly a myth. It's nice to imagine, though.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
I would have thought that you'd be surprised to discover that electric cars and hybrids have become popular enough to make a dent in the collection of gasoline taxes.

Let's check that ...

According to the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics for 2009 there are 254,212,610 registered passenger vehicles. According to the US Energy Information Administration there are 67,295 electric or hybrid cars in 2011. That's about 0.026%.

So, yeah, I'd be very surprised to discover that electric cars and hybrids have become popular enough to make a dent in the collection of gasoline taxes.

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Yes. I was speaking firmly tongue-in-cheek.
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Sure.
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Actually, according to this site, they said there were 2,126,357 hybrid gas/deisel-electric vehicles in the U.S. in 2011, quite a bit more than 67,000. And it is probably significantly more today.

Not that even these numbers have made a dent in gas tax... [Smile]

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Yeah, I thought we were talking about electric so bump that percentage up to 0.8%. Significantly more today? I doubt that. These cars are mostly priced for the 1%, they're not cheap and the Obama economy has not been kind the last couple of years. More, sure. I'd think maybe it might reach up to 1%.

But the real question is, after all the subsidies and how this is the moral thing to drive, why is there now a penalty being generated?

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It's not a penalty. It's a tax.

Gasoline taxes pay for roads. Electric cars use no or very little gasoline. Therefore, electric car owners are not helping to pay for the roads they drive on. This makes up for that.

If 120 dollars a year is going to be a deciding factor in purchasing an electric vehicle, then I seriously doubt the people in question could afford an electric vehicle to begin with.

Also, what is your vision for funding roads in a world where all or most automobiles aren't powered by gasoline anymore?

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djquang1,

a big problem I have with gasoline taxes, is that the maintenance costs are mostly payed for by average americans, whereas most of the cause of the need for maintenance is from heavy trucks.

Ie result from a study of heavy loads on road maintenance costs,

quote:
The study found that 55% to 65% of
the recent estimates of road wear cost were due to heavy vehicles for the average level of traffic
loading on the bituminous surfaced arterial road network of Australia

http://www.iri.ku.edu/publications/HighwayDamageCosts.pdf


Thus most of the cost is caused by corporations. (Other major issue is that the oil companies lobbied to get cheaper asphault used which greatly reduces road durability) Thus the tax burden should be born primarily by corporations which are causing the cost to be incurred. (Yes the cost would/could be passed on to consumers, but then the specific consumers would experience the costs. Also it would properly allocate externalities, encouraging using transport with a much lower true cost).

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I imagine that in such a world, G3 will be waving an axe duct-taped to an assault rifle from the sidecar of an armored motorcycle, his purple mohawk flying in the wind.
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Lulz. I don't know if you're poking fun at my question or G3, but I chuckled regardless.
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