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G3
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...The New York Times reported over the weekend that donors who contribute and raise $500,000 for President Obama’s Organizing for Action will get special access to the President. That’s right. They’re selling access to the President. The new group has an ambitious goal — to raise $50 million to convert the President’s re-election campaign into an advocacy network and they’re offering access. The New York Times says ‘giving or raising $500,000 or more puts donors on a national advisory board for Mr. Obama’s group and the privilege of attending quarterly meetings with the President along with other meetings at the White House.’
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Giving or raising $500,000 or more puts donors on a national advisory board for Mr. Obama’s group and the privilege of attending quarterly meetings with the president, along with other meetings at the White House
Half a million and you get to buy the president, well, at least a slice of him. In years past, this was just a kind of understood thing but it seems Barry is more about the *explicit* cash-money guarantee - I think this is called "Chicago Style".
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I'm confused, how is this different from ye olde $2000 a head fundraiser dinners that every politician, conservative or liberal, throws?
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I can count 498,000 ways it's different.

According to the article, this is buying influence. You buy your way into a "national advisory board" where you attend quarterly meetings with the president, and have other meetings at the White House with his staff.

I thought this was the President who swore he'd kick all the lobbyists out of his administration at the beginning of the first administration?

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G3: Could you provide a link to your source article?
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I'm actually even more confused, since $500,000 isn't even near the top echelon for this sort of thing. American Crossroads, for example, has long had a million-dollar donors club; the Republican and Democratic national parties also maintain similar groups. Heck, there is a million-dollar donors club for Republican races in Wisconsin, which is kind of horrifying when you think about it.

I'm no fan of cash for access, but G3's being a little disingenuous by pretending to be outraged.

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G3
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Originally posted by JoshuaD:
G3: Could you provide a link to your source article?

Most of what I post comes through a feed reader so hunting down the link to the precise article is a challenge. However, take your pick from these. That should give you everything you want and then some.
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Originally posted by TomDavidson:
I'm actually even more confused, since $500,000 isn't even near the top echelon for this sort of thing. American Crossroads, for example, has long had a million-dollar donors club; the Republican and Democratic national parties also maintain similar groups. Heck, there is a million-dollar donors club for Republican races in Wisconsin, which is kind of horrifying when you think about it.

How many of those get you into the office and meetings of a sitting president on a regular basis?

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Originally posted by TomDavidson:
I'm no fan of cash for access, but G3's being a little disingenuous by pretending to be outraged.

I'm no fan of cash for access, but TomDavidson's being a little disingenuous by pretending this is business as usual.
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How many of those get you into the office and meetings of a sitting president on a regular basis?
To my knowledge, almost all of them promise it. Obviously the Republican ones right now get you meetings with candidates and past presidents (except the one in Wisconsin, which gets you meetings with the governor and the Senate Majority Leader); American Crossroads scheduled regular meetings with Bush when he was in office, and now features appearances by Romney, Rubio, etc. But that's the point of these groups: that by paying money, you get to rub shoulders with the people who make policy (and, goes the theory, suggest which policies you and the other rich people who support them would prefer).
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It occurs to me that conservative groups should be putting money together to get their people onto this quarterly council, if they think it's powerful enough to worry about. [Smile]
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Most of what I post comes through a feed reader so hunting down the link to the precise article is a challenge.
So in other words, you don't know where they come from. But you seem to believe them implicitly, and make no effort to verify them.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
I'm actually even more confused, since $500,000 isn't even near the top echelon for this sort of thing. American Crossroads, for example, has long had a million-dollar donors club; the Republican and Democratic national parties also maintain similar groups. Heck, there is a million-dollar donors club for Republican races in Wisconsin, which is kind of horrifying when you think about it.

Ah, so when I called you from outside the capital in Madison, and you told me Scott Walker has short days, you were being disingenuous. All I had to do was throw a few hundred thousand dollars at him [Wink]
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Pete at Home
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It obviously is different, since this guarantees a formal meet with President.

Seems to me that whether this is good or bad depends on what the money's going to. Hell, G3, If the President and offered to blow people in exchange for donations of half a 1,000,000 dollars, going to to the American heart association, that might be awkward and usual, but not "Chicago style."

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So, are we all agreed that there should be more stringent regulations established regarding political donations?
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quote:
Originally posted by velcro:
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Most of what I post comes through a feed reader so hunting down the link to the precise article is a challenge.
So in other words, you don't know where they come from. But you seem to believe them implicitly, and make no effort to verify them.
Wow, soooper genius there. Did you follow my link? As of right now, 6,720,000 results. But if you think it's not true, well, then, you're in a clinical state of denial. [Wink]
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Is the problem that a) money can buy influence with the President, or b) that the bar to buy influence seems to have been significantly lowered?

Dammit, this is the United States. If the President is going to be a political whore, he'd better not be a cheap one.

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Is the advisory board an actual, real thing? That has a purpose? Or is it nothing more then a rebranded "have lunch with your favorite politician" deal?
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quote:
Originally posted by G3:
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Originally posted by velcro:
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Most of what I post comes through a feed reader so hunting down the link to the precise article is a challenge.
So in other words, you don't know where they come from. But you seem to believe them implicitly, and make no effort to verify them.
Wow, soooper genius there. Did you follow my link? As of right now, 6,720,000 results. But if you think it's not true, well, then, you're in a clinical state of denial. [Wink]
Just because something has a lot of google results, doesn't mean it's true:

911 Was Faked (34 Million results)
Sasquatch is Real (4.6 Million results).
Moon Landing Faked (261,000 results)

Reading the source article matters. Details matter, and you can omit details or fudge details to completely change the meaning of a story.

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Add to that Friend of Hamas (13.5 million) and "IRS cheapest obamacare $20,000 per year" (162,000).

Oh, that last one should be 162,001, because you posted it here. When I proved that it was complete BS, you were strangely silent.

People who are interested in serious discussion care where they get their information from. Clearly you do not.

[ February 26, 2013, 12:42 PM: Message edited by: velcro ]

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Pete at Home
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1 cool thing about the whole meet the present special, is that it's above board, and by the very nature of the terms excludes corporations.

Tom, rather than having whole web of questionably enforcible rules regarding donations, I'd rather see a couple very specific 1s.

1: no donations by for profit corporation.
2: no donations by any org that receives money from government.
3. No tax deduction for donations.

I think those 3 rules would suffice

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This is serious business, ya'll.
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Speaking ofSaturday serious, Dianne Feinstein just emailed again and asked my dead dog Genghis for $10, even though I asked her to get off his leg.

[ February 26, 2013, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Pete at Home ]

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The problem with those org restrictions, Pete, is that companies can get around them -- as they already do -- by creating corporations just for the purposes of activism, then giving those non-profit corporations money.
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If my proposal ( criminal prohibition on profits donating to polititians) holds, then what you just described sounds like conspiracy to commit money laundering, Tom.

I'm not talking some regulation or some piddly traffic violation. I'm saying call it misdemeanor bribery. So a conspiracy to circumvent that would be a felony.

Why would that not suffice?

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I'm sure it would. Sadly, the people who might prosecute it are all wholly owned subsidiaries of our oligarchy.
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The New York Times really did report on this.

That took me all of about 6o seconds.

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For those of you fond of the "well they do it too!" argument this is from the article:

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The closest precedents for Organizing for Action exist at the state level. In New Jersey, a 501(c)(4) called the Committee for Our Children’s Future, set up by friends of Gov. Chris Christie, has run hundreds of thousands of dollars’ worth of advertising praising Mr. Christie’s proposals.

In New York, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo encouraged the formation of a nonprofit group, the Committee to Save New York, that is run by business leaders allied with him, and it has raised millions of dollars from corporations, private sector unions, and individuals. The group supported Mr. Cuomo’s agenda — but it also thrust him into controversy when The New York Times revealed that gambling interests poured $2 million into the group as Mr. Cuomo was developing a proposal to expand casino gambling.



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quote:
Originally posted by JoshuaD:
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Originally posted by G3:
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Originally posted by velcro:
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Most of what I post comes through a feed reader so hunting down the link to the precise article is a challenge.
So in other words, you don't know where they come from. But you seem to believe them implicitly, and make no effort to verify them.
Wow, soooper genius there. Did you follow my link? As of right now, 6,720,000 results. But if you think it's not true, well, then, you're in a clinical state of denial. [Wink]
Just because something has a lot of google results, doesn't mean it's true:

<snip>

Reading the source article matters. Details matter, and you can omit details or fudge details to completely change the meaning of a story.

sure, but the link did provide a way to get all the source material you could ever want, including, obviously, the NYT.

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Originally posted by velcro:
Add to that Friend of Hamas (13.5 million) and "IRS cheapest obamacare $20,000 per year" (162,000).

Oh, that last one should be 162,001, because you posted it here. When I proved that it was complete BS, you were strangely silent.

People who are interested in serious discussion care where they get their information from. Clearly you do not.

It's all fake don't you know? It's a conspiracy, we're all in on it ... except you.
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