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Seneca
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Answer the question, is our border secure as Reid claims?
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It's as secure as possible with only resorting to a moderate amount of civil rights violations and police state tactics to accomplish that end, so long as we allow (and implicitly support) what's effectively an ongoing state of undeclared civil war in the country that we border.
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Sorry, I'm not here to answer your questions any more than you answer mine or other people's. But <hint> use my last post to understand my position. You could also answer my question whether 300,000,000 guns in our country is enough. Use your common sense to answer your own question, and then consider if Reid said something you don't agree with what possible constructive reason he might have to do so.
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I'll remember this answer the next time a cartel agent kills an American.
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Answer the question, is our border secure as Reid claims?
How secure did Reid claim that it was? Looking at his statement, he could either have meant "the border is perfectly secure" or "the border is secure enough to not need troops sent to secure it from illegal immigrants."
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Originally posted by Seneca:
I'll remember this answer the next time a cartel agent kills an American.

You can be as selective as you want when picking news items. Your track record doing that is pretty remarkably transparent.
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Looks like the border has turned into a chaotic warzone much worse than it usually is.

http://public.media.foxnews.com/20140730151121_2.pdf

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A game warden hit in the head with a rock while trying to seize a raft. Police officers wounded in an hours-long standoff with a gang member wanted for murder. Criminals spewing obscenities and death threats at local cops before asking for – and receiving – medical treatment.

And that was just last week.

A weekly report distributed by a Texas state agency to senior law enforcement officials paints a grim picture of the Mexican border, where authorities regularly confront illegal immigrant gang members and draw automatic gunfire from across the Rio Grande, and where local, state and federal authorities fight a never-ending battle against drug smugglers.

The most recent Border Operations Sector Assessment report compiled by the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Border Security Operations Center, dated July 25 and obtained by FoxNews.com, details local and federal authorities encountering smugglers carrying millions of dollars’ worth of marijuana, cocaine and methamphetamine, some of which was found in vehicles filled with biblical passages and religious items; federal agents being assaulted and shot at; gang members brazenly approaching people in their homes; and ranch workers witnessing men crossing into the U.S. wearing camouflage and carrying long guns and automatic weapons.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE REPORT

"In recent weeks the traffic appears to have slowed slightly, yet assaults on law enforcement have increased. This is a disturbing trend that needs to be addressed,” Chris Cabrera, vice president of the National Border Patrol Union, Rio Grande Valley Sector, told FoxNews.com.

“It is paramount that we get this problem under control. It is evident that we need more agents in the field to address the various threats posed to law enforcement as well as to our nation."

The Austin-based Border Security Operations Center serves as the focal point for the six Joint Operations and Intelligence Centers located along Texas’ border with Mexico. Officials there analyze intelligence from state, local and federal law enforcement agencies in an effort to facilitate communication among them.

In the week of July 16-23 alone, according to the report, U.S. authorities apprehended 6,028 illegal immigrants, 4,152 of whom were not from Mexico. Most came from Central America. But there also were people from Russia, Morocco, China, Cuba and India, among other nations.

Cabrera, the union rep for the Rio Grande Valley Sector, the most heavily trafficked portion of the border, was shown a copy of the report by FoxNews.com. He contends the increase in attacks against law enforcement and the compilation of such events--including the game warden assault that occurred in Cabrera's sector -- should have been shared with him and his colleagues. But only higher-up officials receive the weekly reports, he said.

A spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety declined to respond on the record; Border Patrol did not return FoxNews.com's request for comment.

The 83-page report for July 16-23 reveals, among other things, that authorities seized $478,879 in U.S. currency, recovered more than seven tons of marijuana (street value: $6.35 million) and turned up more than a million dollars’ worth of cocaine and methamphetamine.

Most of the marijuana was found in an abandoned stash house, resulting in no arrests, while most of the other drugs were found inside vehicles stopped by law enforcement.

The report also revealed Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens routinely encountered illegal immigrants and gang members, and detained hundreds to be turned over to Border Patrol agents. One reported being hit in the head with a rock while trying to seize a raft used to ferry illegal immigrants across the river. “A Game Warden attempted to seize a raft and was assaulted on the head with a rock that was thrown from the MX river bank,” the report reads. “The subject surrounded himself with children to avoid counter measures. Wardens patrolling the river heard approximately 15 rds of automatic gunfire in MX. A total of 55 IAs were detained,” the report says.

Game wardens also reported seeing people wearing black uniforms and armed with rifles on the Mexican side of the river, and they said gunshots from automatic weapons were heard throughout the night on at least four different occasions.

Last week FoxNews.com reported that Border Patrol agents patrolling the Rincon Peninsula, south of Mission, Texas, and across the river from Reynosa, Mexico, had been forced to run for cover when rounds of .50 caliber gunfire were shot from the Mexican side to the U.S. side of the Rio Grande. Without any protection from such high-caliber rounds, the agents were forced to hide until the barrage stopped. Federal and state sources who work in the area said they believe the gunfire continued for about 15 minutes.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE ABOUT THIS INCIDENT

“This happens all the time. We’re out on the border, often we are alone, and all you hear is gunfire,” a Border Patrol agent working an overnight shift along the Rio Grande said last week.

“We are sitting ducks, and it’s only getting worse. Every night, it gets worse.”

Sources interviewed on the border in recent weeks echoed his statement and said they believe the real situation along the border is not being told. All asked that their names not be revealed, due to strict orders not to speak with the media. FoxNews.com has confirmed that senior Border Patrol officials have sent out memos to employees warning them that they can be fired for speaking to reporters.

On July 16, game wardens found a floating body at the Hidalgo County Pump Station. The body of a child was found floating in the river the previous week, too, sources told FoxNews.com.

CLICK HERE FOR MORE OF FOXNEWS.COM’S REPORTING FROM THE BORDER

The Border Security Operations Center report also includes encounters with gang members and cartel gunmen during the same week, including:

- The Hidalgo County Sheriff’s Office arrested 32 members of gangs that included the Valluco, Texas Chicano Brothers, Sureño 13, Texas Syndicate, Tango Blast and Latin Kings.

- U.S. Border Patrol agents detained a dozen suspected gang members trying to cross the border, including alleged members of the infamous Salvadoran gang MS-13.

- A homeowner called Rio Grande City police to report three men who said they’d crossed into the U.S. were at her door asking for water. When cops arrived, one admitted to being an active MS-13 gang member.

- Two Edinburg, Texas, officers were shot and wounded by a Texas Syndicate gang member wanted for murder during a multiagency, hours-long standoff in La Joya.

- American reporters were threatened by rifle-toting smugglers from across the river.

- Dozens of photos and mugshots of illegal immigrants – some of them juveniles – proudly displaying gang-related tattoos.

The report also notes significant events in Mexico. A section included reports of mass graves found; an oil pipeline explosion likely due to illegal siphoning; cartel extortion of migrants heading toward the U.S. border, imposing tolls on all those who use the highways; and the murders of Mexican law enforcement agents.

Also of note: Salvadorans riding a train called “The Beast” to the U.S. border reportedly told authorities they had been told to take the long way into America – through New Mexico, not Texas, which is the far more direct route – because they had heard that Texas Gov. Rick Perry was sending 1,000 National Guardsmen down to help secure the border.

The takeaways from this?

-Like with Obamacare, Obama seems to want to screw over unions, once his most ardent supporters.
-The violence on the border is escalating and illegal aliens are now using 50 caliber rifles and select fire machine guns on our agents WHO ARE FORCED TO COWER AND WAIT FOR THE ATTACKS TO STOP.
-Illegal aliens are now avoiding the Texas crossing, this shows that the critics who claimed Perry's deployment of the guard would not help were full of ****.
-Traffic slowing while attacks increasing shows that cartels are angry at attempts to secure the border so they are launching a more coordinated offensive against American law enforcement and Obama is leaving them out there against these Cartel armies without proper defensive tech and armor.

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One degree of separation between all bad news and Obama, eh?
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Congress has passed numerous laws to fully secure the border with agents and a physical barrier. Both Bush and Obama have refused to enforce those laws. Obama is still in office and is the only one who can enforce those laws as well as save the lives of border agents working for him who are facing highly - armed cartel armies.

The media is speculating that in a few weeks Obama will attempt a massive amnesty via executive order in violation of several laws passed he previous congresses and signed by previous presidents.

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Seems to me that this kind of situation should result in an official complaint against the Mexican government and a demand that they secure their side of the border. Arguably, we'd be entitled to secure the border in the face of hostile fire by invading and securing the border region - not that we'll ever see that happen.

I'm not sure I understand the argument that Pyrtolin is making that Seneca is wrong about the relocation efforts. Does anyone actually believe that is a first step in deportation?

This a "crisis" completely manufactured by a failed, ineffective or deceitful foreign policy created by the Administration. It should be outrageous to everyone.

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This a "crisis" completely manufactured...
I agree that it is indeed a completely manufactured crisis.
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The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), has issued a new report on the cost of educating the recent underage illegal immigrants at nearly three quarters of a billion tax dollars. That is a lot of money for many hard-up school districts to just "absorb."

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A new report puts the price of educating the thousands of illegal immigrant children who recently crossed into the U.S. at a whopping $761 million this school year -- as some school systems push for the feds to pick up the tab.

The estimate comes from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which issued a report on the 37,000 “unaccompanied minors” – who mainly are from Central America – after analyzing data from the Department of Health and Human Services and education funding formulas in all 50 states.

The numbers underscore the concerns critics have raised for months about the burden the surge is putting on local school systems and governments.

“We’re not doing American students any favors by dumping in tens of thousands of additional illegal alien children,”
FAIR’s Bob Dane told Fox News.

The report breaks down the costs by state. The biggest impact reportedly will be seen in California, Texas, Florida and New York. The Empire State leads the list with a bill of more than $147 million.

Immigrant rights groups, though, say it’s a small price to pay for helping kids in need.

“We’re one of the wealthiest countries in the world,” said Jorge Baron, of the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project. “We should be able to handle this if we focus our energy and some resources and we make sure that kids are treated well, and treated the way we, in America, believe kids should be treated.”

Education funding is always a battle, and the recession took a toll on available dollars. Thirty-five states are still spending less per pupil than they did in 2008, and school infrastructure is suffering. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the average age of K-12 public school buildings is 44 years old.

More than half are in need of repair, with the total cost of bringing them up to good condition pegged at $4.5 billion.

State taxes and local property taxes pay for nearly 90 percent of the cost of K-12 public education. The federal government pays for the rest.

Against the influx, some jurisdictions are balking at paying their share for the unaccompanied minors that flooded across the border earlier this year.

Miami-Dade County officials asked the federal government to pick up the tab. So did Arizona’s state superintendent of public instruction. In a letter to Education Secretary Arne Duncan, John Huppenthal wrote, “It is unreasonable to ask Arizona schools and Arizona taxpayers to pay for these expenses. These unaccompanied minors in question did not illegally cross in Arizona, but rather they were bussed into our state by the federal government.”

The single largest concentration of unaccompanied minors is in Harris County, Texas. A total of 2,866 immigrants are now living with sponsors and attending public schools, according to government data.

Maria Moreno, principal of Las Americas Newcomers School in Houston, estimates 140 of her 350 students this year are new arrivals from Central America.

“We want what’s best for our kids, and so we need to almost build those relationships, make sure they get the quality of education that we want for all of our kids, so that they can grow up to be great citizens,” Moreno said.

The challenge in Texas and elsewhere is a shortage of qualified bilingual teachers and the higher cost of teaching students who speak no English. According to one report in 2006, it costs at least 30 percent more to teach a non-English speaking student than it does to educate the average English-speaking student.

The unaccompanied minors, meanwhile, are currently getting their day in court. Immigration hearings are taking place and it will take, by many estimates, at least two years to get through the backlog. FAIR is advocating the minors be deported immediately.

“We want to have compassion for illegal alien kids,” Dane said, “but let’s not lose sight of the rule of law and compassion for American students.”

It is quite infuriating to see the open-borders lobby keep pushing us to write a blank check for anyone who wants to flout our rule of law and jump the line to come here illegally. These children should be sent back home or the US should bill their countries of origin for the costs to house, feed, educate and care for them. Lets take a look at US foreign aid to these countries:
Colombia: 1 billion
Mexico: 958 million
Nicaragua: 695 million
Honduras: 624 million
Guatemala: 392 million
El Salvador: 280 million
Panama: 110 million
Costa Rica: 38 million

As you can see, subtracting any one of the top three countries can pretty much cover the education cost, so we could probably recoup all the costs by wiping this welfare teat to central America clean. What's the point of the aid? We have to care for their citizens so why send them the money? The illegals from those countries send back their low-wage pay from here in giant remittances so we are doubly-robbed.

There is a bill in Congress to suspend foreign aid to Central American countries until this surge stops and the children are all sent home. I doubt it will pass with Mr. Open-Borders Reid running the Senate who won't even give it a vote, and Obama threatening to veto any immigration bill he doesn't like.

It was truly sickening to see Obama quote Cesar Chavez on labor day. Apparently his leftist revisionist history seems to have forgotten that Cesar Chavez was a huge opponent of illegal immigration and lead marches down to the border with his union to intercept, turn back and even arrest illegals trying to cross. Along with him were Walter Mondale and Ralph Abernathy, who also opposed illegal immigration but who the modern left would like to repaint the history of.

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There is a bill in Congress to suspend foreign aid to Central American countries until this surge stops and the children are all sent home.
So, a bill that will make the problems driving them to flee here worse? That's brilliant. Gasoline will totally put this fire out.

We should certainly be sending the affected schools the funding they need to help support the refugees that they need to support, that would be a boost to our economy and education system while we try to work with those countries to get their domestic situations under control until it's safe for people to live there again.

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quote:
Originally posted by Seriati:
I'm not sure I understand the argument that Pyrtolin is making that Seneca is wrong about the relocation efforts. Does anyone actually believe that is a first step in deportation?

What's not to understand. The law says athat these kids are entitled to a hearing to evaluate their refugee status before we can just send them back. The have to be placed ("relocated") somewhere while they wait for the court system to catch up with them and give them that hearing. Do you think we've got some kind of time pocket we can stash them in while they wait for their hearings?
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And meanwhile Obama keeps the immigration courts staffed at record low levels to ensure it will take years to get through the backlog.
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Originally posted by Pyrtolin:
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There is a bill in Congress to suspend foreign aid to Central American countries until this surge stops and the children are all sent home.
So, a bill that will make the problems driving them to flee here worse? That's brilliant. Gasoline will totally put this fire out.

We should certainly be sending the affected schools the funding they need to help support the refugees that they need to support, that would be a boost to our economy and education system while we try to work with those countries to get their domestic situations under control until it's safe for people to live there again.

These countries don't need our money or they are misusing it. Take your pick.
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In another friday surprise, Univision has leaked out that word has come that Obama has gotten assurances from his cronies in the Justice Department and Homeland Security that they think they have a justified basis for him acting alone to produce an executive order to effectively amnestize millions of illegal immigrants, all by himself. This is despite the fact that just a few short years ago he said on TV that he couldn't do such an action by himself without Congress.

The problem? He has lots of democrats from purple states who are begging him to wait until after the mid-terms, so they can lie to their constituents about their party not supporting amnesty. I guess we'll see what he does.

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So the NYSlimes is reporting today that Obama has caved to pressure within his party to delay any kind of unilateral executive (and illegal) amnesty until AFTER the mid - term elections. Now why is this? We've been told over and over that amnesty is a big winner for the democrats and a loser for the republicans, so why not do it before the election if he's going to do it?

Why wait until after the election? Is it because democrat congressmen from swing states plan on lying to voters?

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Perhaps, but perhaps not. Can you give a better explanation for why it would be an underhanded maneuver?

FWIW, I'm not happy about the delay, since this issue has been raised as a highest priority by both parties and the majority of people in the country want it to be resolved. But the two parties are so far apart that pushing it during the election cycle could very well turn a seemingly intractable dispute into an irresolvable issue that will create an enduring schism between ordinary people who would be more thoughtful about it if we wait.

So, as Seneca's response makes clear, it's probably a good idea.

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Can someone tell me how it is better for the country for Obama to delay his executive order until after the election vs doing it now? Or is it just better for the democrats?

[ September 08, 2014, 12:32 PM: Message edited by: Seneca ]

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Because setting aside the immigration debate allows us to put more pressure on Barry to deal with ISIS and Putin. most Americans turn their brains right off when it comes to immigration debates, and we need our brains on at the moment to deal with ISIS and Putin.
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Can't tell if that was a joke or not?
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A Rasmussen poll shows 62% of Americans are opposed to an amnesty. I wonder what the % would be for Obama doing the amnesty by himself? What would that % be if before they answered the poll question they watched the video of Obama from a couple years ago saying how he couldn't legally do it by himself.
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Interesting, as another poll shows that 62% of Americans support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. I suspect the difference is in the methodology of the polls. For comparison, would as many people would support fetal infanticide vs. how many would support abortion rights?
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I guess even murder sounds better when you use a euphemism for it.

The simple fact is these people broke the law and shouldn't be rewarded, not only for themselves personally but also because of the example it would set and the exponential increase in more illegal immigration it would cause.

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The simple fact is these people...
It's all so....simple [Smile] .
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Do you disagree they broke the law and that giving millions of them amnesty encourages millions more to break the law, as we saw with the massive increase from the 1986 amnesty?
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I see you are escalating and using the word "amnesty" twice in a single sentence. I'm not sure you should be referencing Reagan here in a harsh light, though, as he is still a God to many conservatives. That legislation was headed in the right direction, but was underfunded by Congress and the enforcement rules were watered down. You see the pattern? Congress acts and then undermines its own actions, and then complains that the policy was wrong. Sounds like a lot of other issues we have talked about lately.
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Wow, just all smoke and mirrors rather than addressing the point huh? Oh my gosh, I 'escalated ' by using the word amnesty twice in a sentence! Oh no! How about you answer the simple questions? Did they break the law? Will another amnesty encourage more illegal immigration? We've already picked up illegals who said they were waiting for the next amnesty!

As for Reagan, I guess that's another thing I differ from most republicans on, I don't defy him or even think he was that fantastic. Granted he wasn't half as bad as Carter but Reagan like most politicians was in bed with financial forces best summed up by the interests of the US Chamber of Crony Capitalism. Neither party has had the will to secure the border because they all seem bought by interests that want a flow of cheap labor. However Obama seems poised to take an unprecedented and unconstitutional step.

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Because setting aside the immigration debate allows us to put more pressure on Barry to deal with ISIS and Putin. most Americans turn their brains right off when it comes to immigration debates, and we need our brains on at the moment to deal with ISIS and Putin.

Seneca: Can't tell if that was a joke or not?

Deadly serious in content, though a bit flippant in tone.

Most countries historically invade small weak countries when they need a distraction. Clinton started the Kosovo war to distract from Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky. The Immigration threat is the Republican Party's favorite distraction. Americans are pavlov-trained to see red and jump up and down when they see images of Mexicans crossing the border. The Rightus Americanus can sit screaming at the TV for hours about the Mexican labor invasion as a Mexican guy cleans his pool.

Under such conditions, I don't think that Congress is capable of paying attention to ISIS during the same weeks that Immigration is being debated.

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Wow, just all smoke and mirrors rather than addressing the point huh? Oh my gosh, I 'escalated ' by using the word amnesty twice in a sentence! Oh no! How about you answer the simple questions? Did they break the law? Will another amnesty encourage more illegal immigration? We've already picked up illegals who said they were waiting for the next amnesty!
"Smoke and mirrors" is calling something by an extreme name to scare people. You probably didn't realize that I pointed that out earlier.

Did they break the law? -- Yes. Many people have broken many laws and become productive, law-abiding and tax-paying members of society subsequently.

Will another attempt at immigration reform lead to additional illegal immigration? -- If it is as poorly designed and implemented as it was under Reagan's leadership it can certainly have both positive and negative impact. Do you think *any* good came from the Reagan program?

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" Did they break the law? -- Yes. Many people have broken many laws and become productive, law-abiding and tax-paying members of society subsequently"

Yes. Iirc, the pilgrims never got their green cards; most honkies descend from undocumented immigrants, and it's harder to swim the Atlantic than the Rio grand.

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Let's not get into semantics. All humans came to north america. None evolved here. But here and now in this current day we are trying to maintain our free nation and quality of life, and our border and immigration laws are part of that.

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Not sure how that weighs against a conditional amnesty.
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I'd like to see a condition of amnesty where recipients have to give information on how they got here. We routinely forgive a great deal of serious crime in exchange for information. Giving information against coyotes puts one at some risk. That's a fair exchange that makes america safer.
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I'd rather see a condition of amnesty where recipients reveal which companies they were working for all this time.
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I'd rather see a condition of amnesty where recipients reveal which companies they were working for all this time.

Sure! Good idea, Tom. While we're at it, another condition might be, disclose which individuals and agents helped them to obtain false documents.

I'm describing a Truth and Reconciliation pattern of Amnesty. While Seneca's right that the Reagan Amnesty encouraged illegal immigration, South Africa and Rwanda have both had enormous success with Truth and Reconciliation programs. Recidivism seems very low.

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Some disturbing new numbers that the public was previously unaware of and exceed legal limitations.

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Since 2009, the Obama administration issued roughly 5.5 million work permits to non-citizens beyond what Congress has authorized, according to recently-released documents that critics of U.S. policy say reveals a "shadow" or "parallel" immigration system stifling wages and taking jobs from Americans.

The information was obtained by the conservative-leaning Center for Immigration Studies through a Freedom of Information Act request and has prompted Alabama GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions to call for an investigation.

"This request has unearthed the operation of a shadow immigration system previously unknown to the American public," said Sessions, one of Capitol Hill's most outspoken critics of President Obama's immigration policy. "A full investigation is warranted."

Congress authorized an estimated 5 million green cards and 3.5 million guest worker permits during the 2009-2014 period, in additional to the 5.5 million issued additionally by administration action, a Senate staffer said Wednesday.

Jessica Vaughn, the study author and the center's director of policy studies, argues the administration has discovered the power to issue work permits outside the limits set by Congress and that it has become "the vehicle" for Obama’s executive actions -- in which he has offered deferred deportation to millions of people now in the country illegally.

The biggest group of recipients has been people entering the U.S. without being inspected. More than 957,200 of them received permanent or "pre-permanent" work permits, according to the center.

Others received those types of permits were 23,215 parolees, nearly 1,000 stowaways and 49 people suspected of document fraud.

In addition, 531,692 students and 470,028 students received temporary work permits over that period. And those in both groups we neither originally admitted to the U.S. for employment nor qualified for admission, the group found.

"Some of those people are on track to get a green card," Vaughn said recently on Fox News Business' "Lou Dobbs Tonight." "But the vast majority of them entered illegal or on a tourist visa or the visa waiver program. … It's not like there’s a labor shortage here."

Session has largely framed his argument against Obama's immigration policy as hurtful to U.S. workers, many of whom have not seen wages increase in the growing, post-recession economy.

"The slack labor market has depressed median family income by $5,000" since 2009, he said.

Vaughn also broke down the numbers to show the three biggest groups ineligible for work permits but receiving them are illegal immigrants (928,000), people of "unknown" immigration status (1.7 million), and those on a temporary visa (1.8 million).

"There's no reason to issue (work permits) to people here illegally or whose status is unknown," Vaughn also said.

She said 1.7 million have either not been recorded or their statuses have not being disclosed by the Citizenship and Immigration Services, which should be a concern because work permits are “gateway documents” to driver's licenses and other benefits.

The agency did return a call requesting comment.

"And if the government agency issuing them does not know or will not disclose how the bearer arrived in the country how can others rely on the authenticity of an individual's identity? It is equally disconcerting if the government does know and chooses not to disclose it," Vaughn said.

And yes, these really DO take jobs from American citizens. The myth that there are jobs that "Americans won't do" has been blown out of the water by census data that shows there is no job sector where the majority of workers are illegal aliens. Not one.

Additionally, because of the threat of illegal aliens being able to use work permits to obtain official state ID as well as idiotic states like my own state of Washington granting drivers' licenses to illegal aliens, the feds are now threatening to revoke the legitimacy of state ID from certain states for use at airports and federal buildings. Imagine that!
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2025527953_realidextensionxml.html

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Remember how Obama promised that this new leniency toward illegal aliens would not apply to the dangerous criminals among them?

Well, he lied.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/18/dhs-released-another-30000-criminal-aliens-streets/?page=2

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Federal immigration officers released another 30,000 immigrants with criminal records last year, following the 36,000 it released in 2013, the government announced Wednesday — though it promised to take steps to cut down on the problem.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the agency that handles detention and removal of illegal immigrants, said it will no longer allow overcrowding to be the main reason a dangerous illegal immigrant is released, and will require a top supervisor to approve the cases of any serious criminals that officers want to release.

Overall, ICE released 30,558 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2014, which is down from the 36,007 criminals released a year before.

The 2013 releases prompted an outcry, and the latest news that the releases continue is likely to renew the calls for ICE to get a handle on its actions.

New ICE Director Sarah R. Saldana said the number “still concerns me.”

“I am determined to continue to take every possible measure to ensure the public’s safety and the removal of dangerous criminals,” she said in announcing the new steps.

Yeah, sure you are, like releasing the criminals again this year too right? [Roll Eyes]
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ICE said it had little discretion over most of the criminals it released. The agency said that under a previous court decision, immigrants whose home countries won’t take them back cannot be held indefinitely, so they have to be released after a period of time.
Here's an idea, if a country refuses to take back its own citizens, then air drop them with auto-release parachutes over that country. Maybe tie on a box of chocolates to 'sweeten the deal'...

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Republicans in Congress have proposed rewriting the law to allow for longer detention of serious criminals, and they have called on the Obama administration to use existing powers to deny visas to leaders of countries that refuse to take their citizens back.

But the administration has declined to take those steps.

Wow, the Obama admin is refusing to act because it believes there is no law for them to base the action on?! Stop the presses, this must be the first time! [Eek!]

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Those released from custody are generally supposed to be monitored, and Ms. Saldana vowed to stiffen those procedures to try to ensure those that are released are not able to commit new crimes.
That's right, they'll stiffen them, maybe after Obama leaves office. Trust us.

ICE didn’t release a breakdown of criminal offenses of the new 30,000 on Wednesday, but among the 36,000 released in 2013 were 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions and 16,070 convictions for driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Fun times. Remember Obama's speech promising that "dangerous criminals" would not get to stay?
I guess he doesn't consider:
-193 killers
-426 rapists
-303 kidnappers
-16,070 drunk drivers

to be considered "dangerous criminals." I wonder how he'd feel if these "undocumented guests" hung out around HIS family... Think his tune might change?

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ICE said that most of the homicide convictions were court-ordered.
Oooh! That makes it all better right?

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Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which exposed the first batch of 36,000 releases, said Wednesday that giving supervisors more review of each case isn’t a solution, it’s the root of the problem.

“In fact, it’s the supervisors who are ordering the releases, and the intent of the supervision is to make sure that officers in the field are not detaining people — not the other way around,” she said. “The problem is most definitely the policies, not the officers. Creating more levels of review and red tape is not going to solve that problem.”

Say it ain't so! Color me shocked!

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She said having more supervision of those released is a good step, but said it’s even more cost-effective to use expedited removal to kick criminals out of the country faster. She said ICE’s own analysis has found that using alternatives to detention, such as electronic monitoring or a phone-in system, turns out to be expensive because it results in drawn-out cases and more fugitives who abscond.
Abscond? Impossible! We all know that these undocumented guests can be trusted to turn up for hearings whenever we ask them to right?

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Ms. Vaughan said one reason for the drop from 36,000 to about 30,000 is because immigration agents are arresting and detaining fewer aliens in the first place, thanks to President Obama’s new immigration plans.
I guess Obama's executive order is working, they are letting these "guests" go more often and not re-catching them!

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Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson late last year acknowledged the high number of releases for a second year in a row.

“I believe it should be lower,” he said.

Oh I'm sure they'll get it down. They already got it lower this year by making fewer arrests. Easier to avoid releasing them when you never arrest them in the first place, as mentioned further above.

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Mr. Johnson said money should never be a reason for releasing someone with a serious criminal record back onto the streets.


Except of course when Obama promises to, er, not to, but then actually does...
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And yes, these really DO take jobs from American citizens.
They take jobs, but fewer jobs than they create on net by also becoming consumers of goods and services within our economy. Give them the protections needed to work above the table and be able to demand more equitable pay, and they'd create even more jobs.
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