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noel c.
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A federal judge orders the immediate release of documents related to Eric Holder's "Fast and Furious" debacle, and the Attorney General announces his unanticipated resignation?

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/25/judge-denies-doj-request-to-delay-release-of-fast-and-furious-document-list-n1896621

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/09/25/eric-holder-attorney-general-resigns/16203079/

Can we expect some movement on the Justice Department's other pending scandals like IRS targeting of conservative advocacy groups, and document "cleansing" in Hillary's State Department?

[ September 25, 2014, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: noel c. ]

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Seneca
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What's interesting is that in the wake of what happened to VA governor Bob McDonnell this may end up with Holder finally being forced to testify. Of course if Holder gets charged my guess is Obama will either pardon him or commute his sentence.
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The timing is a little off, usually something like this is done after the mid-terms. But I don't know that it's all that unanticipated either. It may just be they want to be 100% sure to have a Democrat controlled senate confirm his replacement.
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Can the GOP filibuster the AG under the current rules? If so, I wouldn't expect his replacement to be confirmed until next year.
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Rafi
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IIRC, they cannot. A simple majority can break the filibuster so the Democrats should be able to do that. All the more reason to get his replacement confirmed before the Republicans have a chance to make a issue out of this.
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Wayward Son
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Although Holder could be resigning because of the release of the Fast & Furious documents, it's far from certain, since all sorts of things are happening all the time.

If it weren't the F&F docs, one could say that it was because of a new lawsuit, or new charges, or his next appearance before Congress, etc. There will always be something to connect it to.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
Although Holder could be resigning because of the release of the Fast & Furious documents, it's far from certain, since all sorts of things are happening all the time.

If it weren't the F&F docs, one could say that it was because of a new lawsuit, or new charges, or his next appearance before Congress, etc. There will always be something to connect it to.

The joy of having lots of dots. You can draw almost any picture you want.
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Rafi
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Maybe Rosemary Lehmburg will replace Holder. She's certainly got all the qualifications and experience for the job.
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Wayward Son
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Oh, great. Then Ted Cruz will filibuster funding to the DoJ because he couldn't prevent her confirmation. [Roll Eyes] [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Pete at Home:
Although I fear that Ornery's far left squad will lambast me for using a known right-wing source like National Public Radio ...


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President Obama said on Thursday that Holder, 63, intends to leave the Justice Department as soon as his successor is confirmed, a process that could run through 2014 and even into next year.
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Holder already is one of the longest-serving members of the Obama Cabinet and currently ranks as the fourth-longest tenured AG in history.
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But some of that early glow faded in part due to the politicized nature of the job and in part because of Holder's own rhetoric
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Under pressure that threatened his job and his legacy, the attorney general reversed his decision and instead sent the cases to military court — where they continue to languish even as Osama bin Laden's son-in-law and other terrorism defendants are serving life sentences in maximum-security prisons on American soil.

Holder most wants to be remembered for his record on civil rights: refusing to defend a law that defined marriage as between one man and one woman;

Really? The fourth-longest AG term in history, and that's the first thing on the list to say in his favor? Talk about damning with faint praise.
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launching 20 investigations of abuses by local police departments; and using his bully pulpit to lobby Congress to reduce prison sentences for nonviolent drug crimes. Many of those sentences disproportionately hurt minority communities.
Sure. Those would be neat things to do, if he pressed until he actually got results. What so far have been the results, since we're talking legacy? (is that why NPR's leading with gay marriage, because intentionally throwing the case before the Supreme Court is the only positive result that can be claimed?)

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But even longtime aides say Holder didn't do enough to help himself by shrugging off preparations and moot sessions before congressional appearances and speaking off the cuff — and obliquely.

Things hit a crisis point when the GOP-led House voted him in contempt for refusing to hand over documents about a gun trafficking scandal known as Fast and Furious. That represented the first time an attorney general had ever been rebuked that way, but still Holder held on to his job.

In the end, the decision to leave was Holder's alone — two sources told NPR that the White House would have been happy to have him stay a full eight years and to avoid what could be a contentious nomination fight for his successor.

So what great future for the social revolutionary?
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Friends and former colleagues say Holder has made no decisions about his next professional perch, but they say it would be no surprise if he returned to the law firm Covington & Burling, where he spent years representing corporate clients.
But even as a general disapprover of Holder's administration; I have to give credit for this:

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Holder sent a memo to U.S. attorneys Wednesday urging them not to use sentencing enhancements known as "851" tools to gain leverage in plea negotiations with defendants — in essence, threatening defendants into avoiding trial with huge amounts of prison time. The practice has been criticized by U.S. District Judge John Gleeson in Brooklyn and other jurists.

Holder is also expected to notify federal prosecutors in coming days that the Justice Department will no longer require defendants who plead guilty to waive their rights to appeal based on ineffective lawyering. Many U.S. attorneys now forgo that practice, but not all.

Long-awaited racial profiling guidelines for federal agents will be released soon, too.

Truly awesome, and daring too. If this is for real and these policies hold, then I'll be forced to change tunes entirely on Holder. As Harry said,

"Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!"

Did the NPR article totally fail to mention the timing of the Judge order? No wonder NPR bends over backwards to say this was in the works for some time.
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Wayward Son
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Resignation because of the imminent disclosure of Fast & Furious documents. Ha! That's amateur stuff.

It takes a master like Limbaugh to tell you what it's really about...

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But there’s also another possibility regarding Eric Holder. I just want you to prepare yourself. It may happen. We still have two years to go.

There may be a Supreme Court vacancy, and I can see Barack Obama nominating Eric Holder to fill it, and it would be much easier for Eric Holder to make the jump from private sector law firm rainmaker after six years at DOJ to the Supreme Court, than from DOJ straight to the Supreme Court. I don’t know how much that would matter, but don’t rule any of that out. I don’t think there’s any scandal. I don’t think it’s Fast and Furious. I don’t think he’s worried about the Republicans investigating anything if they win the Senate.

That's right. Eric Holder has his sights on the Supreme Court!

I mean, with the good will he is leaving behind in the House and Senate, he'd be a shoe-in. [Roll Eyes]

At least Chuck Norris thinks so:

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Now, two years before the end of the president’s second term, could Obama and Holder’s scope be set on SCOTUS? As the kings of corrupt calculated chess moves, I believe the odds are incredibly high.

Having finished their insider dirty work, this trinity of terror (Emmanuel, Clinton, and Holder) is being sent out like apostles onto the mission field to infuse Obama’s Cabinet’s secular progressive agenda into the deepest roots of the land.

Liberal legacy and progressive perpetuity is the name of their game and master plan.

You heard it here first, folks! [Smile]
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I thought that was Hillary's real objective when she resigned, to get on the SC and live to be 100. Rush would probably self-destruct.
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Fact: Chuck Norris doesn't speculate. He simply considers something, and reality bends to his will.

Chuck Norris Facts

[ September 30, 2014, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: ScottF ]

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