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Fenring
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quote:
Originally posted by KidTokyo:
There are plenty of depictions of standard hetero sex in Japanese erotica and film and literature in general. Male insecurity/homophobia plays no bigger role in Japan. In fact, Japan has traditionally been more tolerant of male homosexuality and transgender persons, as is shown by such pop culture figures being "out" as far back as the 60's with no public condemnation. There have been gay-themed soap operas on Japanese daytime tv for some time as well.

I think the argument would go that Japan is sexually more open to "stuff" than we are, not less, so the openness to homosexuality would be on par with that.

When you say that the tentacle material is often produced overseas, do you mean on the Asian mainland? And do you have some notion regarding who is consuming this material (i.e. whether the Japanese audience is importing it, or whether it's being viewed elsewhere and the idea that it's a Japanese thing is a myth)?

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I'm not sure "open" is the best word for Japanese attitudes, "different" is probably better.

ETA: The comment mostly is intended to avoid the trap of evaluating another culture using culturally dependent metrics. Japanese culture and attitudes could be just as "closed" as American ones but in ways that appear "open" to Americans.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-07/hikikomori-japanese-men-locking-themselves-in-their-bedrooms/6601656

This is perhaps a relevant tangential phenomenon, in the sense that we might associate a lack of sexual desire for the opposite sex with other anti-social habits such as locking oneself in one's room. Maybe varying symptoms of the same general issue?

Also I would be curious to know if some of these phenomena are restricted to population-dense Tokyo, or occur elsewhere? I can say, for instance, having lived in NYC for ~5 years, that being in a very densely populated and busy place has intense effects on you.

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Shocked to find myself on Kid's side on a Japan sex culture argument, but i find it hard to believe that a country with PENIS DAY PARADES is shy about penises in porn.
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When you say that the tentacle material is often produced overseas, do you mean on the Asian mainland? And do you have some notion regarding who is consuming this material (i.e. whether the Japanese audience is importing it, or whether it's being viewed elsewhere and the idea that it's a Japanese thing is a myth)?
I should disclaim that I am really not well acquainted with the genre. I do not seek it out. I can say though, as one who does not seek it out, that I stumble across it (or discussions/depictions) more in the US than in Japan, and that there are many semi-pro animators out there from any part of the world with PC-based anime software making the stuff on their own, rather artlessly.

Adult magazines are displayed prominently in stands throughout Japan and yet I've only ever seen tentacle stuff made available in the basements and curtained-off rooms of specialty shops in Tokyo. Everything I know of Japanese pop culture tells me its an "otaku" thing and not mainstream. Some of the more demure-seeming adult magazines may contain tentacle-oriented Manga (or S&M in general...in fact I'm pretty sure they do) but one cannot draw from that a widespread general readership.

The internet of course provides opportunities but Japanese consumers in general are notably behind most of the world in their continued preference to buy CDs, DVDs, videogames, and books rather than stream online or download.

The point I need to keep coming back to is that with this, as with the articles linked to in this thread, western journalists almost reflexively go to "Japan is weird" as an entertaining category and that the stories produced are sorely lacking in proportion.

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I'm not sure "open" is the best word for Japanese attitudes, "different" is probably better.
This is a good point. Gay marriage is not even discussed in Japan, and likely homosexuality and trans-sexuality is still seen by many as a "perversion." But, "perversion" in Japan does not carry the stigma of sin or evilness -- it's just an eccentricity that people don't worry about much.

You could not be "openly" affectionate as a gay couple in Japan in a public place, but neither can straight couples. It is not a done thing.

It would be considered rude and inappropriate to fly a rainbow flag in front of your home pretty much anywhere, or to announce your sexual preferences in general, much less with "pride," but if two men or two women lived together even in a rural area, and neighbors figured out they were "a couple", the chance of them being harassed or ostracized (assuming they were otherwise good neighbors) is essentially zero.

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i find it hard to believe that a country with PENIS DAY PARADES is shy about penises in porn.
Um, yes. I find it hard to believe as well, and for once I am at a loss at an explanation. Nor can I explain the hypocrisy of the fact that a Japanese artist who makes sculptures of her own vagina is currently subject to prosecution under Japan's obscenity laws. Apparently the fertility festivals (which have been around a long time) which you refer to are an exception to the obscenity rule. It seems strange to us, but I suppose no stranger than western willingness to accept nude male and female figures in classical art under a standard wholly apart from modern depictions.

No, I take that back. I freely admit that phallic matsuri are even weirder. No getting around it.

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I'm genuinely curious what this "data" is.
Internet.

If the majority of men were disgusted with the presence of men in porn then the porn industry would be in deep doo doo.

Incidentally, I am told that while tens of millions of men consume vast quantities of porn, anecdotally, no men consume porn at all. It's rather curious.

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