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Pete at Home
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"And I suppose that supporting the unrestricted right for Americans to bear arms, including for those who are killing fellow Americans, is very brave, too. Very brave with the lives of others and willing to squander them needlessly."

No one on this forum supports an "unrestricted" right to bear arms.

Nothing wrong with killing a fellow American who is iminently attempting to kill you or nearby innocents. France has said some nice things lately about the readiness of certain Americans to step up in defense of others.

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quote:
No one on this forum supports an "unrestricted" right to bear arms.
I dunno, Pete. I'm sure there are as many on this board as "those supporting illegals including the ones who are killing Americans." [Wink]
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I know a number of people, on this board and off, that think that it's wrong to deport a violent illegal immigrant when he's finished his prison term. If he'd said supporting illegals in the killing of Americans, that would be a different creature. But arguing that deportation should be off the table, is unfortunately an argument in contention here.
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It's interesting that the conversation just took this turn when I have only recently read about a case involving an illegal's right to bear arms.


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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/illegal_immigrants_have_right.html

Illegal immigrants have right to bear arms, court rules

The Associated Press By The Associated Press
on August 25, 2015 at 1:43 PM


People living in the United States illegally have a constitutional right to bear arms but are still barred from doing so by a separate law, a federal appeals court ruled.

The three-judge panel of the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals issued its ruling Thursday in a case involving Mariano Meza-Rodriguez. His family brought him to the United States from Mexico illegally when he was four or five years old, according to the 7th Circuit ruling. Now an adult, he was arrested in 2013 after a bar fight in Milwaukee. Police found a .22-caliber bullet in his shorts pocket.

Federal law prohibits people in the country illegally from possessing guns or ammunition. Meza-Rodriguez argued that the charges should be dismissed because the law infringes on his Second Amendment right to bear arms. U.S. District Judge Rudolph Randa rejected that contention on the broad grounds that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to people in the country illegally. Meza-Rodriguez was ultimately convicted of a felony and deported.

The 7th Circuit panel, however, ruled unanimously Thursday that the term "the people" in the Second Amendment's guarantee that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed also applies to those in the country illegally. The ruling, which applies in Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin, conflicts with opinions from three other federal appellate courts in recent years that found the Second Amendment doesn't apply to people in the country illegally.

"We see no principled way to carve out the Second Amendment and say that the unauthorized (or maybe all noncitizens) are excluded," Chief Judge Diane Wood wrote.

But the panel upheld Meza-Rodriguez's conviction, saying the federal ban on people in the country illegall possessing weapons remains valid. Wood wrote that the right to bear arms isn't unlimited and the government has a strong interest in preventing people who have already broken the law by coming to the country illegally from carrying guns.

Meza-Rodriguez's attorney, Joseph Bugni, said the decision contradicts itself. He plans to ask all nine active 7th Circuit judges to review the case together. If Meza-Rodriguez doesn't prevail at that level he'll go to the U.S. Supreme Court, Bugni said."

Judge Joel M. Flaum, a member of the panel, wrote in a concurring opinion that he doubts the Second Amendment applies to people in the country illegally. He acknowledged that the decision conflicts with other federal rulings and said the panel shouldn't have addressed the broader constitutional question since the possession ban is clearly legal.
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It would be funny if the same people fighting the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans nevertheless insisted that illegals have the Constitutional right to bear arms.

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> I know a number of people, on this board and off, that think that it's wrong to deport a violent illegal immigrant when he's finished his prison term.

Obama goes even further in thinking that an illegal shouldn't even have to finish serving their prison term for a violent crime before he releases them, at least not if they can be used as a bargaining chip in sequester negotiations.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1561233/illegal-immigrants-charged-with-violent-crimes-released-during-sequester/

Robert Jonathan
October 24, 2014

"Among the illegal immigrants released into the country during last year’s federal government sequester included those charged with crimes of violence.

At the time, the Obama administration insisted that those individuals facing deportation proceedings who were let go from immigration jails during the sequester’s automatic budget cuts were only low-level, non-violent offenders. That apparently is not the case

USA TODAY is reporting that “New records contradict the Obama administration’s assurances to Congress and the public that the 2,200 people it freed from immigration jails last year to save money had only minor criminal records. The records, obtained by USA TODAY, show immigration officials released some undocumented immigrants who had faced far more serious criminal charges, including people charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, drug trafficking and homicide.”

Responding to the report about those undocumented persons charged with felonies, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) representative claimed that aliens set free “with more significant criminal histories were, by and large, dictated by special circumstances outside of the agency’s control.”

As The Inquisitr previously reported, a Department of Homeland Security Inspector General previously concluded that ICE released 600 convicted criminal illegal aliens in advance of the 2013 sequester cuts.

At the time, then-DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano claimed that career ICE officials decided on the mass release to save money without checking with her and that the situation was not handled well.

In a House Judiciary Committee hearing in February 2013 with then-ICE Director John Morton, U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy declared that “It does look like the decision to release the detainees was a political determination and not a monetary determination. It appears to me that the release of the detainees was part of a sequester campaign that included the fictional firing of teachers, the closing of the White House for student tours, the displacement of meat inspectors and now we are going to release aggravated felons—some aggravated felons onto the street.”

At that hearing, Morton maintained that none of those alien detainees sprung from jail were accused of committing violent crimes."

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IF we can no longer legally hold them, we can no longer legally hold them. The only relationship this has to the sequester is that the reason that INS could no longer hold them was that they lack the funding to process them as quickly as they're rounding them up and are extremely backlogged in processing the cases.

If you have a problem with this, then maybe you should be taking it up with congress for not finding a way to pass a lay that changes the limits on how long someone can be detained and kept in limbo without actually being put on trial.

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"Which ones, again? I'm looking for a) evidence that it's gotten worse in aggregate; and b) evidence that this is due to illegal immigration."

I hope this at least starts to answer part of your question. By the way, thanks for trying to send me on a goose chase that would have required me to compile crime statistics from, as the article observes, "county, state and federal jail and prison systems individually to compose a tally, a process that would encompass thousands of local departments."


As this article indicates, getting the statistics on this is very difficult because the federal government refuses to do its job and the "most transparent administration in history" is a total crock.

And this is the same government we're supposed to trust on vaccines? The one that hides even basic information about criminal illegals to Gruber through their political agenda?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/16/crime-wave-elusive-data-shows-frightening-toll-illegal-immigrant-criminals/

"... In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life. The explosive figures show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population would suggest. Critics say it is no accident that local, state and federal governments go to great lengths to keep the data under wraps...

oxNews.com did review reports from immigration reform groups and various government agencies, including the U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Sentencing Commission, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Government Accountability Office, the Bureau of Justice Statistics and several state and county correctional departments. Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants..."

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cherry,

I'd suspect that criminal cartels regardless of ethnicity will have high crime numbers as a percentage of ethnicity. Since mexico is the neighboring country with cartels, there will be a higher number of hispanic cartel members in the US that commit crimes regardless of immigration policy.

I suspect the vast majority of those sentences (which are federal sentences) are going to be cartel members.

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I was just thinking about this exact thing a few hours ago and then when I get online just now it is right there on the front page of my internet.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/illegal-immigrants-could-elect-hillary-clinton-213216

"Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.

The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House."

With their crude plans and their transparent ways, power hungry liberals who insist on leaving our borders spread wide open and offer red carpet treatment to illegals support these violations of our sovereignty and corruption of the democratic process which is the foundation for out Republic. How many conservatives are having their votes nullified by this treason? Enough to swing close elections that's for sure. The liberals screaming about voter disenfranchisement have absolutely no credibility whatsoever, and if they could get more illegals to vote directly they'd have absolutely no problem with that either.

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With their crude plans and their transparent ways, power hungry liberals who insist on leaving our borders spread wide open and offer red carpet treatment to illegals support these violations of our sovereignty and corruption of the democratic process which is the foundation for out Republic. How many conservatives are having their votes nullified by this treason? Enough to swing close elections that's for sure. The liberals screaming about voter disenfranchisement have absolutely no credibility whatsoever, and if they could get more illegals to vote directly they'd have absolutely no problem with that either.
What a disgusting sentiment. Clean up the **** in your own house before you piss on anyone else's.
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Exactly. Deporting all the illegals it is possible to deport IS cleaning up my own house. It's hard to tell exactly which Americans' votes they are cancelling out because of their very presence in America due to the way the census and the electoral college work, but knowing my bad luck one of them is probably mine!

People want to know how illegals negatively impact conservatives or anyone else not on board with the total liberal takeover package, and this is certainly one big way they do just that.

It would be nice though if people could now stop feigning ignorance. The plan is too obvious and exposed for that to work any longer.

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You should run for office and expose the liberal menace for what it is.
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cherry,

deporting has zero impact. The only way to reduce the number of illegal aliens/undocumented immigrants is through reducing the demand - which is easily accomplished by cracking down on employers of illegal aliens. This is something that the conservative politicians refuse to do and have actively blocked - so if anything the conservative politicians who are to blame.

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Cherry, are you equally concerned about the over-representation of conservative voters in Wyoming and Alaska due to the electoral college?
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Not really. That was an intended consequence. They are here legally right? It's interesting that anyone would compare low population states having greater than proportionate representation in the electoral college with illegals who give liberal sanctuary states the same type of advantage because they flout immigration law.

As for going after employers, yes that's definitely a good idea and should be an integral part of a sensible comprehensive illegal immigrant deportation policy, but regarding whether or not a vast majority of the illegals can logistically be deported we don't really have any idea what is and is not possible because we've never had a President who made it a priority.

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quote:
Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
Not really. That was an intended consequence. They are here legally right? It's interesting that anyone would compare low population states having greater than proportionate representation in the electoral college with illegals who give liberal sanctuary states the same type of advantage because they flout immigration law.

States don't enforce immigration law, the supreme court made that clear to Arizona. Texas (conservative state) is one of the main beneficiaries from the over count due to illegal immigrants. Also the politico article purposefully conflates the illegal/legal immigrant population to make the issue seem even larger. So many of the electors you are concerned with are from legal not illegal immigrants. Personally I dislike the electoral college on democratic principals to begin with so I'm not going to go out of my way to defend it but don't expect me to shed tears that a legal vote in Wyoming might only be 3 times as powerful as on in California instead of 3.5 times as powerful due to counting all immigrants in both states.
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States don't enforce immigration law is actually an understatement. Many states, and cities too, actively work to oppose even the federal government's flimsy pretenses at enforcing immigration law. But to your point, the states could certainly cooperate with federal authorities on enforcing immigration law except that our current federal government doesn't even want them to. If we had a different President, there is nothing to stop him from asking for, and in at least some cases getting, greater cooperation from the states in helping to enforce federal laws.

Let's not forget who it was who sued to get the states prevented from trying to help. It was our own federal government. A new President might not be such a traitor.

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Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
Let's not forget who it was who sued to get the states prevented from trying to help. It was our own federal government. A new President might not be such a traitor.

Traitor, could you ratchet back the hyperbole a few notches. This president has set the record for most illegals deported during a presidency. The courts have a multi-year backlog of deportation cases, if you want to blame anyone blame congress for not allocating enough funds to deport all those construction/yard/domestic workers that you think threaten the fabric of our nation.
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What was that again about Obama deporting the most?

Again it's almost as if my internet is reading my mind because right after I read your statement the next thing I saw on the front page of my internet was this:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-government-deports-fewest-immigrants-nearly-decade-041151795.html

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration deported the fewest number of immigrants in the past 12 months since 2006, according to new government figures obtained by The Associated Press.

The figures also show that deportations of criminal immigrants have dropped to the lowest numbers since President Barack Obama took office in 2009, despite his pledge to focus on finding and deporting criminals living in the country illegally.

The overall total of 231,000 deportations generally does not include Mexicans who were caught at the border and quickly returned home by the U.S. Border Patrol. The figure does include roughly 136,700 convicted criminals deported in the last 12 months. Total deportations dropped 42 percent since 2012...

... The biggest surprise in the figures was the decline in criminal deportations."

It looks like Obama is getting the ground work laid for the next election so another Democrat can steal it.

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If you orchestrate the invasion of your country how is that not a betrayal?

Were the Romans who opened the gates to the city to let the barbarian hordes in to rape and pillage not traitors?

I think they were and I see no difference between that and this.

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Nice editing. How about the part where:
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The Homeland Security Department secretary, Jeh Johnson, last year directed immigration authorities anew to focus on finding and deporting immigrants who pose a national security or public safety threat, those who have serious criminal records or those who recently crossed the Mexican border. The decline suggests the administration was failing to find criminal immigrants in the U.S. interior, or that fewer immigrants living in the U.S. illegally had criminal records serious enough to justify deporting them.

"With the resources we have ... I'm interested in focusing on criminals and recent illegal arrivals at the border," Johnson told Congress in April.

Even though they try to present this story as a negative, their own words suggest that the number of criminals to be deported has fallen due to previous efforts, and that more people are being stopped at the border and prevented from entering. Isn't it also a good thing that the Administration is giving special attention with limited resources to dealing with potential terrorist threats? That should make you feel especially good about how they are going about their job to protect you.

Don't forget the part about working with the resources they have. There would be more if Congress would allocate funding, right?

The rest of your comments are utter nonsense, especially if you stop for a second and think that the number of illegals in the US rose every year from 1990 until Obama took office and has fallen or stabilized in every year since he took office.

George Bush didn't do it, so All Hail Obama!

The Republicans won't vote funds to do more, so Obama, Savior of the Empire!

But if you're worried about living in the midst of illegal Mexicans who rape, pillage and steal, perhaps you should move to Mexico, where all the good Mexicans are since all of the bad guys are now here.

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quote:
Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
What was that again about Obama deporting the most?

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The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.
pewresearch

For comparison Bush deported about 1.4 million in his eight years and never more than 360k in one year. Last year was the first year the number of deportations during the Obama administration was lower than any year of the Bush administration.

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I've read that Obama admin has actually changed the definition of "deportation" to include something called a "turn back", which is essentially someone trying to enter the country illegally and being sent back right at the border. Previously that wasn't defined as a deportation.

Clearly that would make the numbers look....high.

edit: looks like this may have been mentioned above as well.

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I don't think that's the case. Here's a different report. Note the highlighted portion:
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Obama has overseen the removal of more than 2.4 million immigrants since taking office, but deportations have been declining steadily in the last three years. Removals declined by more than 84,000 between the 2014 and 2015 budget years, the largest year-over-year decline since 2012.

The Homeland Security Department has in the past attributed the steady decline to changing demographics at the Mexican border, specifically the increasing number of immigrants from countries other than Mexico and the spike in unaccompanied children and families caught trying to cross the border illegally in 2014. The majority of the children and tens of thousands of people traveling as families, mostly mothers and children, came from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.

The Border Patrol historically sends home Mexican immigrants caught crossing the border illegally, but U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement must fly home immigrants from other countries. That process is more expensive, complicated and time-consuming, especially when immigrants fight their deportation or seek asylum in the United States.

Arrests of border crossers from other countries also dropped this year, along with the number of unaccompanied children and families. As of the end of August, the Border Patrol arrested about 130,000 immigrants from countries other than Mexico, about 34,500 unaccompanied children and roughly 34,400 people traveling as families.

More than 257,000 immigrants from countries other than Mexico were apprehended at the border during the 2014 budget year, including more than 68,000 unaccompanied children and tens of thousands of family members. It was the first time that immigrants from other countries outnumbered those from Mexico.

That number by itself is higher than the total number of deportations. It's interesting what the makeup of the population trying to gain illegal entry to the US is, including 68,000 unaccompanied children. Where would you send them, if they are undocumented and alone?

We can argue endlessly about which illegals should be deported, and how many, so if you have to make those choices yourself and work within a budget of manpower and money, what would you do?

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Find out what country they are from and take them to the nearest embassy.

If an American child is found by themselves in another country I'm sure that's what we'd want them to do too.

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That's not a bad idea, but I have to believe that those countries are already involved somehow. Do you know to what extent that is happening?
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What do you mean, involved? You mean like Donald Trump said? That Mexico is purposefully sending many of their poor to America, and even their criminals (perhaps convicted and who already served their time)?

I don't know to what extent, if any, that is happening.

But I do know that if there was an American "unaccompanied minor" found in a South American country, we would very much like to have them brought to an American embassy as soon as possible.

Is there something about these countries that is leading people to believe they aren't proud people who can take care of their own citizens? Not even their own children?

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Is there something about these countries that is leading people to believe they aren't proud people who can take care of their own citizens?
Yes. Duh.
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Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
What was that again about Obama deporting the most?

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The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.
pewresearch

For comparison Bush deported about 1.4 million in his eight years and never more than 360k in one year. Last year was the first year the number of deportations during the Obama administration was lower than any year of the Bush administration.

Cherry, could you please explain how having exactly 5 out of 6 years in office have record numbers of deportations is evidence of an Obama conspiracy to flood the country with illegal immigrants?

I'm fine if you want to argue against the shift in focus last year that led to fewer deportations but could you at least acknowledge the fact that the Obama administration deported more illegal immigrants in their first 5 years in office than Bush did in 8?

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Tom, that seems pretty racist to say that these countries can't take care of their own citizens including their own children and furthermore they don't want to either.

As far as the number of illegals, I explain that by fake numbers and lies from our government. Maybe they don't know how many are here and maybe they do but either way they won't tell us the truth about it. An example of this willingness by our government to lie was on prominent display with the CDC's insistence that the illegals Obama spread throughout public schools across the country weren't making American children sick. Another example is how our federal government refuses to keep track of crimes committed by illegals. So much for transparency. Another big example but having nothing to do with illegals is how Obama Grubered America with Obamacare, outright lying with malice aforethought because he knew it was the only way to get it passed.

If Obama refuses to enforce the law on illegals then what sense would it make for us to expect him to give us accurate facts about the situation either? None at all, so I don't.

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Tom, that seems pretty racist to say that these countries can't take care of their own citizens including their own children and furthermore they don't want to either.
Oh, I'm sure some of them would like to. But the Mexican government -- just to use one example -- is in no position to do so.
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Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
As far as the number of illegals, I explain that by fake numbers and lies from our government. Maybe they don't know how many are here and maybe they do but either way they won't tell us the truth about it. An example of this willingness by our government to lie was on prominent display with the CDC's insistence that the illegals Obama spread throughout public schools across the country weren't making American children sick.

I didn't post anything about the number of illegal immigrants here, but I do tend to trust the census bureau on numbers like that. They tend to be very non-partisan and fact driven. I also made no claims about the total number of illegal immigrants here, just the number of deportations. Deportation numbers are going to be very hard to fake because there is a court case or judicial hearing for all of them. So unless you are asserting a truly vast conspiracy from the AG down to clerks of court I really don't see how those numbers could be faked. But if you are unwilling to trust any evidence that contradicts your preconceived notions then I won't bother to try to have a rational conversation with you.
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As was mentioned earlier, the deportation numbers are faked easily enough by counting everyone who is stopped and turned around at the border as being deported when that was never the standard before.
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As was mentioned earlier, the deportation numbers are faked easily enough by counting everyone who is stopped and turned around at the border as being deported when that was never the standard before.

In looking at this briefly Cherry, I'm not sure it's really that clean. I get that the counting has changed, but it still looks like a big number and there doesn't seem to be any source that would provide an equivalent backwards look that would allow for a comparison that disproves the administrations claims. What source are you looking at that says otherwise?
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As my source I'm looking at the Home Depot parking lots I pass by in the mornings. There are a lot more illegals there than there were during the Bush years.

If people want something in writing just the first thing that came up that looked good is this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/15/voices-gomez-obama-deportation-record/7562779/

"In Obama's first year in office, his administration deported 237,941 people. That number represents the traditional definition of a deportation: someone living their life in the U.S. when they encounter a law enforcement officer who has them shipped out of the country.

By last year, that number had fallen to 133,551. And of those, 71,938 had been previously convicted of at least one felony or several misdemeanors – the "criminal aliens" that the administration has targeted. That means of the 12 million undocumented immigrants living in the country, fewer than 70,000 who have led generally peaceful lives here were deported last year.

Yes, the Obama administration says it deports 400,000 people annually, recently passing the 2 million mark throughout the president's time in office. But the majority of those cases involve people caught by Border Patrol agents along the Southwest border and processed through Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In years past, those people would have been quickly shipped back to Mexico. But starting under President George W. Bush, many of those people are being handed over to ICE so that the agency can formally charge them.

The basic accounting of Obama's deportation record has been muddled in two ways.

First, the president, in an effort to appease Republican critics, has touted the 400,000-deportations-a-year number as proof of his tough record.

Secondly, the president has come under increasing fire from immigration advocacy groups to either slow down deportations or stop them completely...

... In his time in office, Obama has stopped the work site immigration raids so frequent under Bush and created a program that has granted protected status to more than 500,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children. He has stopped the deportation of relatives of military members, is considering extending work visas to spouses of foreigners working in the country and ordered a system-wide review of deportation practices to see how to conduct them "more humanely."

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Not to mention that instead of people crossing the border doing everything they can to evade the Border Patrol they look for the nearest Border Patrol agent so they can surrender and get a free lawyer who coaxes them on what to say so they can stay.

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As my source I'm looking at the Home Depot parking lots I pass by in the mornings. There are a lot more illegals there than there were during the Bush years.
You ask them for their ID when you drive by, I assume?
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I profile them. Guess I'm the one breaking the law, huh?
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With the labor market being what it is, att more people out there really shows is that there's less work to absorb them before you come by, perhaps even more completely legal residents out there just to find anything that will get them a bit of cash.
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That article didn't really help, or establish a case. We'd need to see a source that compares the total turnaways plus deportations for past presidents to this one, which to my understanding may not exist. Or that shows some other directly comparable statistic, or that demonstrates some blatant statistical manipulation.

Anecdotal evidence from Home Depot has more to do with lack of fear of enforcement than it has to do with proof that people were absent before. There are far more homeless people lieing on the streets in NYC under de Blasio than under the last two administrations - is that because more people are homeless, or because there is no enforcement anymore? In case you aren't sure its the latter.

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