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Racism is, at least in part, failing to acknowledge and correct for such biases. Saying what it is in different words doesn't make it not racism.
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What is the difference between familiarity bias and xenophobia?
I think there is a difference. The former shows a tendency to favor what is familiar and the latter a fear of what is different. They are both natural responses.
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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
Racism is, at least in part, failing to acknowledge and correct for such biases. Saying what it is in different words doesn't make it not racism.

That's an interesting take on in. So by your defi nition, racism includes both wilful and ignorant bias? what you8 call racism, I call bigotry ... Which makes more internal sense IMO since words sound like what they meaan that way. Otoh, since racism has become such a pejorative, perhaps your usage makes more sense. If racism (as I used it) merely means racial bias, then there is racism where er there is race.

I am glad that you arent using a df of racism where it only applies if the object is Caucasian. :>

An other question:

"failing to acknowledge and correct for such biases"

What if one corrects in some spheres such as hiring but not in others such as dating [Smile]

Consider the two alternate lines taken verbatim from dating sites:

LI dont date outside my own race. I am not racist; it is just a preference"

Which I find less troublesome than:

"I dont date outside. my own race. I am not racist; it is just the moral issue"

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What if one corrects in some spheres such as hiring but not in others such as dating
This is why power is part of the equation. Unless you're so culturally critical that not attracting your attention for a date amounts to being oppressed, it's hard to argue that it's anything more than a personal prejudice.

Not all racial biases are harmful- the only ones that rise to the level of being racism are those that do measurable social, legal, or economic harm based on being prevalent among the majority.

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That's an interesting take on in. So by your defi nition, racism includes both wilful and ignorant bias? what you8 call racism, I call bigotry ... Which makes more internal sense IMO since words sound like what they meaan that way. Otoh, since racism has become such a pejorative, perhaps your usage makes more sense. If racism (as I used it) merely means racial bias, then there is racism where er there is race.

Well, I'm not trying to define racism as a whole in the post you quoted. I would define it as patterns of discrimination and systemic inequity delineated by the construct of race. But I would absolutely say that these patterns come about *in part* because of both willful discrimination and implicit bias leading to unintentional discrimination.

Rejecting resumes because the names sound foreign might be intentional discrimination, but it could also be unintentional discrimination because of implicit bias. But it contributes to racism, when those names happen to be predominantly black names and the context is a place where racism against blacks is already endemic.

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The human brain normalizes the familiar and is biased against the unfamiliar. African Americans, Native Indians, Hispanics, and Europeans will be biased against unfamiliar and foreign sounding names. There is no bias against widely used exclusively african american associated names -therefore there isn't a 'racial' bias and thus no racism.
I'm sorry- which African descended names (outside those linked to Abrahamic faiths) are claiming familiar, never mind existing in rough proportion to the number of people from that background?

You're begging the question again when you assert the familiarity of European/Biblical names instead of examining why they're the most familiar ones, or even why "exact repetition" is what people are most familiar with instead of other linguistic constructs.

Culture defines what is familiar, so you can't presume that familiarity is an objective metric rather than one that serves to highlight a bias when it favors one background over another.

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