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Wayward Son
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But it was a home-made clock.

And it looked scary, with all those ICs and stuff.

And it beeped.

It obviously looked like a bomb (even though it lacked some stuff, like something that could explode). So the police handcuffed the kid and lead him out of school.

Perfectly reasonable, right?

[Roll Eyes]

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Obviously noone really thought it was a bomb, otherwise the bomb squad would be called and the place would have been evacuated.
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I did not know that Islamophobia could be that bad among sufficiently many people in multiple institutions. Every single decision they made was wrong, and they seem to be standing up for their idiocy.
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Admitting they were wrong means admitting they engaged in the most craven bureaucratic CYA thinking combined with general ****ing stupidity.
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Ya, the not calling the bomb squad is what stripped away any sympathy for the school on that one.

I suppose they could argue/believe that he was showing off part of a bomb he had completed and that was scarry?

TX, this is the kinda thing that makes people pick on you. [Frown]

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Rafi
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Islamaphobia? That's some group think grievance detector from the SJW rank and file. This has happened before, bomb squad for toy robot in Denver, the Boston lite bright scare of 2007 and basically anytime a 8 year old nibbles a pop tart into the shape of a gun.

Call it islamaphobia but how many of these other kids get a trip to the whitehouse out of it? This is the typical faux outrage ginned up in drive by media to show just how awful you all are and show favor to a protected group.

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Rafi
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Also, take a look at the pictures of this device. I can see where the teachers were a little leery of it, it was cobbled together in 20 minutes according to the kid and was a mess of wires and circuit board with a clock timer packed in a metal case. It's not unreasonable to look at it and think "bomb". The school reacted properly, the police may be going overboard, certainly everyone else is.
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"See something, say something."
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The school acting properly:

S: "What's this thing?"

A: "It's a clock."

S: "Oh. It kind of looks like a movie bomb."

A: "Nope, it's a clock."

S: "Oh, OK."

If only.

The police may be going overboard? Handcuffing the kid? Considering charges?

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Looks like he won a free trip to the White House.
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Good damn thing nobody turned me in when I was his age.
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A little more about the community:


Mayor Of City Where Muslim Teen Was Wrongly Arrested Is Anti-Sharia Crusader

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I am not sure how much this is Islamophobia and how much it is over-reaction due to cowardice.
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AI Wessex
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The "mood" of Irving can be seen partially in the Mayor's point of view and actions:
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[Mayor]Van Duyne first made headlines for challenging Islam in February, when she wrote a Facebook post vowing to look into a "Shariah law court" that was said to have been set up by an Irving mosque.

"While I am working to better understand how this 'court' will function and whom will be subject to its decisions, please know that if it is determined that there are violations of basic rights occurring, I will not stand idle and will fight with every fiber of my being against this action," she wrote.
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Then in March, Van Duyne threw her support behind a bill that would forbid Texas judges from using foreign law in their rulings. The bill's author, state Rep. Jeff Leach (R), had said the bill would solve the "problem" of the Islamic Tribunal in Dallas, according to the Dallas Morning News.
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Amid criticism of her support for Leach's bill, Van Duyne turned to the editorial pages of The Dallas Morning News to further propagate what she saw as a non-controversial message.

"To me, this is about making sure people, especially women, understand our nation guarantees certain rights and liberties, and those should not be surrendered," she wrote in The Dallas Morning News. "It is baffling to comprehend the amount of controversy generated by my support as mayor of Irving for a state law that simply asks family law judges to uphold American fundamental constitutional rights when deciding a case that involves a conflicting foreign law."


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Rafi
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quote:
Originally posted by cherrypoptart:
"See something, say something."

Exactly! After more than a decade of conditioning by the state, agents of the state did what they've been indoctrinated into doing.
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Rafi
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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
The school acting properly:

S: "What's this thing?"

A: "It's a clock."

S: "Oh. It kind of looks like a movie bomb."

A: "Nope, it's a clock."

S: "Oh, OK."

If only.

The police may be going overboard? Handcuffing the kid? Considering charges?

You should look at the pictures of this device. Wires, circuit board, timer, metal case. Don't be mislead by the perception that a bomber will always admit he has a bomb when simply asked - in fact, they would typically be expected to deny it. A reasonable person, looking at this device sitting under his car or outside the house could reasonably come to the conclusion it was actually a bomb and a reasonable person could expect a kid looking for attention could bring the prototype to school to impress his friends. It would not be unheard of, happens with other deadly implements.

This boils down to a story skewed to feed the "America is intolerant and the source of all evil!" crowd. It will be quickly followed by the "Something must be done" SJW's.

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Too much being made of a legitimate misunderstanding. Sure it seemed to go on farther than necessary (particularly with handcuffs), but I think people *should* be on the alert for possible threats, and while we scold and wag our fingers at the authorities for going overboard, we send them the opposite message next time something terrible actually happens.

I agree with Rafi (which is rare enough [Smile] )

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Arrest of 14-Year-Old Student for Making a Clock: the Fruits of Sustained Fearmongering and Anti-Muslim Animus

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There are sprawling industries and self-proclaimed career “terrorism experts” in the U.S. that profit greatly by deliberately exaggerating the threat of Terrorism and keeping Americans in a state of abject fear of “radical Islam.” There are all sorts of polemicists who build their public platforms by demonizing Muslims and scoffing at concerns over “Islamaphobia,” with the most toxic ones insisting that such a thing does not even exist, even as the mere presence of mosques is opposed across the country, or even as they are physically attacked.

The U.S. government just formally renewed the “State of Emergency” it declared in the aftermath of 9/11 for the 14th time since that attack occurred, ensuring that the country remains in a state of permanent, endless war, subjected to powers that are still classified as “extraordinary” even though they have become entirely normalized. As a result of all of this, a minority group of close to 3 million people is routinely targeted with bigotry and legal persecution in the Home of the Free, while fear and hysteria reign supreme in the Land of the Brave.

What happened in Irving, Texas, yesterday to a 14-year-old Muslim high school freshman is far from the worst instance, but it is highly illustrative of the rotted fruit of this sustained climate of cultivated fear and demonization. The Dallas Morning News reports that “Ahmed Mohamed — who makes his own radios and repairs his own go-kart — hoped to impress his teachers when he brought a homemade clock to MacArthur High,” but “instead, the school phoned police.”

Despite insisting that he made the clock to impress his engineering teacher, consistent with his long-time interest in “inventing stuff,” Ahmed was arrested by the police and led out of school with his hands cuffed behind him. When he was brought into the room to be questioned by the four police officers who had been dispatched to the school, one of them — who had never previously seen him — said: “Yup. That’s who I thought it was.” As a result, he “felt suddenly conscious of his brown skin and his name — one of the most common in the Muslim religion.”


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quote:
Originally posted by JoshCrow:
Too much being made of a legitimate misunderstanding. Sure it seemed to go on farther than necessary (particularly with handcuffs), but I think people *should* be on the alert for possible threats, and while we scold and wag our fingers at the authorities for going overboard, we send them the opposite message next time something terrible actually happens.

I agree with Rafi (which is rare enough [Smile] )

No one would disagree that people should be alert and attuned to their surroundings. However, the question remains, why didn't they call a bomb squad or evacuate the school? From what I've read, there clearly is an element of islamophobia, but also somewhat mindless and incompetent "correctness".
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Being overly cautious is not something I would fault a school for. This seemed more like trying to teach a kid a lesson for inadvertantly scaring people.

If they really thought it was a bomb, they handled it wrong. If they knew it wasn't a bomb, they handled it wrong.

The only gray area for me is if they thought it was likely PART of a bomb. In that case, the police could have handled it better.

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Question: why did he make a home made clock and bring it to school? Did it occur to him: gee **** this looks like a bomb from a movie.

I am not sure what exactly was going on here but I get a certain jackass vibe from this kid.

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It was a pencil case, not a briefcase. I don't think it would look scary unless you think Muslims are scary.
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Not my point. The question is, was this a joke or a prank?
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jasonr,

he brought it to impress his science teacher.

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Uhh huh. He sounds like an ass
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quote:
Originally posted by jasonr:
Question: why did he make a home made clock and bring it to school? Did it occur to him: gee **** this looks like a bomb from a movie.

To show off to a cool teacher that he had a good relationship with? Kids bring projects from home all the time to share with teachers.

And imagine that it probably didn't occur to him at all, because it looked just like the clock he was proud of making, never mind the fact that he probably,up till now, gave his teachers credit for being clever enough to separate fantasy from reality.

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Sounds like a typical 14 year old science and engineering geek. Some people get their positive reinforcement by trying to impress others with their style or musical or religious or sports interests and abilities - often the ones they seek approval from are other students, other times coaches or parents or pastors. Some students get their positive reinforcement from teachers or mentors.
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It wasn't the engineering teacher that turned him in, it was some other teacher, who did not realize what it was. The science teacher even warned him that it might cause an issue. I am OK with the admin being careful and calling him to the office to check on it further. Bringing in the police, and not the bomb squad if you thought it was a bomb, was over reaction.

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quote:
Originally posted by scifibum:
It was a pencil case, not a briefcase. I don't think it would look scary unless you think Muslims are scary.

I don't think "pencil case" is what you think it is in this case. Google up pencil case. That's not what he had. It was closer to looking like a metal briefcase.

This also had only the remotest resemblance to a clock. With 1 being a bomb and 10 a clock, this would rate around a 3.

[ September 17, 2015, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Rafi ]

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Here is what it looks like,

http://makezine.com/2015/09/16/this-is-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

It is indeed a pencil case, though not what I was thinking.

http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K

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The box is 8.5 in. x 5.5 in. x 2.5 in. Pretty big for a pencil box, but pretty small all-in-all. And he had a pretty big display for the time, so he needed the size.
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Yep,

as the article notes - looks like he disassembled a clock and put the components in a different case. So really not electrical work in nature but more how to use a dremel or similar tool to cut the opening for the display.

So more accurately he made a clock case, and not a clock - industrial design work; not electrical or technical.

[ September 17, 2015, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: LetterRip ]

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quote:
The science teacher even warned him that it might cause an issue.
Exactly. Why was it in class with him and not in his locker, pray tell?

I'm sorry, but that's a "pencil case" like none I have ever seen.

Not saying the kid is a terrorist - he's a wise ass whose little joke got out of hand. Doesn't excuse the idiot admins mind you.

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quote:
he's a wise ass whose little joke got out of hand
I see no reason to believe that, except pure meanspiritedness.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mynnion:
Looks like he won a free trip to the White House.

Of course, he's the perfect type for Obama. How about these 9 other kids? No political upside for them.
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They should get famous fathers, too.
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quote:
Originally posted by LetterRip:
Here is what it looks like,

http://makezine.com/2015/09/16/this-is-ahmed-mohameds-clock/

It is indeed a pencil case, though not what I was thinking.

http://www.amazon.com/Vaultz-Locking-Pencil-Inches-VZ01479/dp/B001BXZ28K

Now google up "suitcase bomb" and see what those look like.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomDavidson:
They should get famous fathers, too.

If by famous you mean Muslim, then yep. Otherwise, I think your definition of famous is vastly more limited than everyone else's.
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No, his father is legitimately famous; he's one of the best-known American Sufis, and has made national news a handful of times over the years. Just because you have not heard of him....Well, you're not noel, so you can't be expected to know everything.

The general upshot is this: if you know somebody who has the ear of some people on social media, your pet issue will get some traction.

[ September 18, 2015, 09:09 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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I bet the science teacher is kicking himself for not suggesting that he hold onto the clock for the rest of the day.

If it had been in his locker and been found to be beeping, they probably would have evacuated the school. Keeping it with him is one of the stronger points of evidence it wasn't intended as a hoax bomb.

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