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Wayward Son
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John Boehner has announced his resignation from Speaker of the House and from the House at the end of October. Apparently all the push-back from his own party finally made his decide to quit.

The big question is, who is going to replace him?

Boehner did negotiate with the Democrats and the President (even if his party didn't always back him up). Will the next Speaker be so flexible, or will they elect someone more hard-core? Will Congress continue to function at its current speed, or will it slow down even more?

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Well, it looks like his resignation was the tit some of the Representatives wanted for a spending bill tat. Their opposition to funding Planned Parenthood was very principled, apparently. It was just that the principle involved was getting Boehner out of the way.

It's funny to realize that despite his support for Benghazi and IRS trutherism, he's too reasonable for a chunk of the party.

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Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see who gets press-ganged into trying to keep a lid on the nuthouse.
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Hey, look, it's a job worse than being a university department head.

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AI Wessex
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I read that to be the Speaker of the House you don't have to be a member of the House. Since Trump has the GOP under control in the field, perhaps he could be conscripted to clean up the House with time he still has open when not running his 500 corporations.
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Wayward Son
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Did anyone else hear the reaction at the Value Voter Summit? You know, the one that Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum and Donald Trump are scheduled to speak at?

Marc Rubio made the announcement. The audience cheered for at least 15 seconds, like they had won the World Series or something.

And these are members of Boehner's own party. Heck, he didn't get that big a reaction from the Democrats, even though he helped try to blackmail them by temporarily shutting down the government. [Eek!]

If this is how a powerful part of Republicans feel about their own guy, what chance is there of them negotiating with Democrats?

And how will this affect the Republican party itself? Boehner was chosen by a majority of Republicans, even though he held such anomosity from a significant part of the party. Will they be able to choose the next Speaker? Or will they get someone they hate just as much?

A house divided...

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AI Wessex
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A house divided...
You mean a House divided...

Democrats are almost universally unhappy about his departure, given that the even more remote right wing of the Party in that chamber are deliriously happy about it. It means that Obama will be confronted and thwarted on ever more issues by that noble assemblage, though it won't make much difference about what laws are enacted in the end. Best case they will sputter and spit on the flag (not realizing that it is the emblem of the Constitution, which they would happily burn), and in the worst case shut down the government at the end of December and refuse to reopen it until Jesus is made the new figure on the $10 bill.

We're used to seeing a unified right with outliers and crazies that they themselves chastise and muzzle in the hopes of preserving shreds of dignity in the eyes of the public. With the Clown Car campaigns, ever more extreme attempts to insert Christian "ethics" into law, this truly could open up the gates holding the inmates in the asylum (the asylum being the House).

If they elect one of their own as the next Speaker, the next election may indeed turn out to be a war waged at the ballot box. As I mentioned, the Speaker doesn't have to be a member. It could be Ted Cruz' father, for example. Onward Christian soldiers.

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quote:
Originally posted by AI Wessex:
With the Clown Car campaigns, ever more extreme attempts to insert Christian "ethics" into law, this truly could open up the gates holding the inmates in the asylum (the asylum being the House).

I know this question is off-topic, but I have to ask: Does that bolded phrase imply that Republican attempts to change law are fraudulent versions of real Christian ethics, or that Christian ethics themselves are not particularly ethical by liberal standards?
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AI Wessex
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A third option would be different groups of Christians who argue for their own version of what constitute ethics and what are the most important ones that everyone should be legally obligated to obey.
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The consensus seems to be the resignation will avert a government shutdown before January. After that, if Tea Party types want to deny funding to Planned Parenthood, Obama can just let them shut down the government until the election. The blame would go to Obama or Republicans, not the Democratic nominee. That would strike me as Republican suicide, but I do not think that I, as a Democrat, should advise Republicans what to do.
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quote:
Originally posted by AI Wessex:
A third option would be different groups of Christians who argue for their own version of what constitute ethics and what are the most important ones that everyone should be legally obligated to obey.

Fair enough but you scare-quoted "ethics", rather than "Christian", which seems to me to imply that you are questioning the 'ethicness' of them, rather than the fact that said ethics can be oversimplified by being called "Christian."
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AI Wessex
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Good point. What I was trying to say (and should have said more directly) is that personal beliefs are often projected onto others as if they are rules that everyone should follow. In that way they are miscast as ethics, and as ethics should be codified into law. My reading of the NT is that it guides people how to behave in their own lives, not how to govern.
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Boehner will probably be replaced by Kevin McCarthy, who has made some accommodations with the conservative wing already. Remember when Boehner first was elected to the House, he was a young firebrand railing against the kind of politician he became?

The new Speaker wouldn't need to beat Obama in one day, but he should be able to use the Speaker's Bully Pulpit to call Illegal, unConstitutional action what it is.

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Boehner will probably be replaced by Kevin McCarthy, who has made some accommodations with the conservative wing already.
Interesting that you label the most extreme wing tips of the right-wing as "conservative", implying that Boehner was what?
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