Best way to deal with idiots is to just ignore them.
Franken apparently went on a frothing rant at some press dinner this past weekend and nearly came to blows with a few conservative types in attendance. He said something about "how'd Clinton's military do in Iraq" to Paul Wolfwitz (sp?), to which Wolfwitz replied "f*** you" Priceless
"So as far as Falwell is concerned, freedom of speech ends at the coastline of America. Outside of that, you'd better toe the government line or they'll be hell to pay."
LOL so you start a Falwell-bashing thread, and this is the best you can do?! I agreed with his statement; you shouldn't go and bad-mouth your own country during a time of war while overseas. This criticism is not un-american. Un-American would be if he stated that the Dixie Chicks should be arrested for speaking out; the difference is subtle, but significant.
Funny sometimes, but only when he sticks to comedy.
I don't really have a problem with what Falwell or Franken said, or even what the Dixie Chicks said. They can speak their minds as much as they want to. I might think they are all idiots for doing so, but I could care less what they say.
However, I'm a nearly extinct breed: homo-I don't give a crap what anyone says and am rarely offended by anything-erectus.
And you seem to be offended by the very society that gives you the ability to be offended at whatever you want.
I said rarely, not never. And don't mistake me thinking something is stupid and pointless as being offended.
I think the Ms. Maines' comment was stupid and showed lack of understanding about who her fans are, but I'm not offended by it - on the contrary, I think it's quite amusing.
As I said, I think BCE/CE is just one more thing in a long list of things designed to deconstruct western civ, and I think that entire movement is stupid. However, I'll stop short of saying it offends me.
Besides, these days offended has ceased to mean what it's supposed to mean and is now a euphemism for "I don't like you and/or your point of view, I think you should be silenced".
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Wait, did someon say Al Franken was funny?!!?
That has got to qualify a most charitable remark for a humorously handicapped Mr. Franken. Franken reminds me of that skinny little guy in "Good Morning Vietnam" who submitted jokes to "Readers Digest", he takes his humor to seriously and it is neither funny nor subtle.
I have read excerpts, but have found nothing appealing in the writings to impress me to read more.
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"And you seem to be offended by the very society that gives you the ability to be offended at whatever you want."
Yup. I am. Huge chunks of american culture are REALLY stupid. 12 year old girls who think its cool to be like britney spears, or people in the grocery store who treat me like a servent because I happen to work in retail and they happen to have more money then they really know what to do with, or the idea that its ok to call people who oppose our president "Un-american," offend me quite a bit.
On the OTHER hand, I'm not offended by american ideals. I simply think that those who preach their americanism the most loudly fall the furthest from those ideals.
I think we can agree to disagree on some things, but I'm with you on almost all of that.
Youngsters in makeup & slutty outfits... Jeese I know what I was thinking at that age when a girl looked like that, where are the fathers??!! Nothing quite as sad as an overweight 12-year old in a tight belly shirt *shudder*
Pop culture gets on my nerves like few things - more of that dumbing down conspiracy I really can't stand prime time TV because it's so ridiculously condescending and just stupid!
I have high hopes that we'll continue to evolve as a culture and make things better and better. By no means do I want to halt progression or stifle new ideas. However, I take issue when some try to brush our past under the rug because it's distasteful, it's not PC, or it goes against some crazy agenda.
You want to complain all the founding fathers were rich white slave owners, good because it's true. However, don't try to lessen their impact or brush aside their contributions to society because of that - admit to it and move on.
BTW, the first abolitionist society was founded by Franklin, so not all of those rich white guys were so bad. Not to mention the "all men are created equal" thing laid the ground work for abolition and then civil rights...
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fallwell is an ass. he has always been an ass. and he will always base his public opinion on the belief that his is the only right way of thinking, and that he knows whats best for everyone. aside for my personal dislike of the bible bashing people hater. i find that the comment by miss maines was neither pro american or anti american. it seemed to me that she was stating a matter of personal opinion about an individual and his actions. personally i would be embarassed to claim that GB was from my home state to. but then again i believe in propaganda and private agendas. i also belive the war is bigger than money from oil alone. there are many other industries that have profited from this war. including defense contractor's, pharmaceutical companies, newspapers, television stations, paper mills, and a slew of other businesses. the amount of personal gain inherent in the situation is my primary objection to the war. and on the point of making statement about the us from outside the us.
when traveling abroad us citizens are expected to obey the laws of the united states. as well as obeying the laws of the country they are in. if a us citizen breaks a us law in say spain. they may face prosecution when they return to the us. now under that precedent. shouldnt a person be allowed to state thier opinion regardless of location. and shouldnt we as americans defend thier right to say it. regardless of whether or not we agree with them. i feel that if we can punish someone for what hey do abroad, if were going to expect them to play by homefield rules when away. then dont we have a responsibility to make sure we dont take away any of the cultural rights of that person? for the mod cuz im still new and not sure if im gonna get booted fer bein a bad person yet
I actually think the notion of "you don't slag America when you're out of the country" is silly. It suggests that America's reputation needs protecting.
It doesn't. We're a strong nation. We can handle free speech, even stupid free speech like Falwell's or Maines'. We can even handle free speech that our citizens give in OTHER nations. If anything, it shows other people that hey- these Americans really DO have freedom that would be nice to have for ourselves!
And personally, I didn't see Maines' comments as being all that anti-American, as much as I saw them as being anti-George W Bush. So she doesn't like the President? So what? So she's embarrassed to be from a nation that was (at the time) heading to war?
Big deal. People made way too big a deal out of that. I think Falwell is just trying to make waves among HIS constituents, just like Maines was trying to do among hers.
They're both being kind of stupid, but hey, it's their right. Thank God for America, eh?
PS- Personally, I thought a much better story from excite was this one about Diamond David Lee Roth. Go Dave!
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