Ornery.org
  Front Page   |   About Ornery.org   |   World Watch   |   Guest Essays   |   Contact Us

The Ornery American Forum Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» The Ornery American Forum » General Comments » Two Huge US Intelligence Centers Go up in Iraq

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Two Huge US Intelligence Centers Go up in Iraq
WmLambert
Member
Member # 604

 - posted      Profile for WmLambert   Email WmLambert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This exclusive report appeared for the first time in the last issue of DEBKAfile’s intelligence weekly. I especially liked the analysis of how the US civil administrator Paul Bremer is doing. It sounds like the Iraqi situation is under solid and common sense control.

quote:
The Americans are secretly building two giant intelligence facilities in Iraq at a cost of some half a billion dollars, according to an exclusive report received from DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources. US engineering and construction units are setting up what amounts to an “intelligence city” on a site north of the oil city of Mosul in Kurdistan and a second facility in Baghdad’s Saadun district on the east bank of the Tigris. Our military experts infer from the vast dimensions of the two projects and their colossal expense that it is Washington’s intention to retain a large US military presence in Iraq in the long term, for a decade at least.
The new installations will greatly enhance America’s military, intelligence and electronic command and control over Iraq and its neighbors, notably Iran and Syria. The Mosul facility will guard northern Iraq’s oilfields and the pipelines carrying Iraqi gas and oil to Mediterranean terminals. Its instruments will reach into every corner of Iran and Syria, replacing America’s electronic eyes and ears in southern Turkey. This facility will be activated a section at a time according to need. Upon completion at the end of 2005, it will employ an operating staff of around 4,000 American intelligence personnel and electronic engineers.
DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s Middle East sources report that the intelligence center going up near Mosul is causing much nervousness in Damascus and Tehran. Both governments understand that when the first sections are activated in three months time, not a single military or intelligence move of theirs will go unseen by America’s electronic spies – and that goes for terrorist activity as well.
The functions assigned the Baghdad station are different. While the Mosul center will provide early warning against external threats to the US military presence in Iraq, the Baghdad station will stand guard over America’s political and military control of the capital and its satellite towns, including the Sunni enclave cities of Falluja, Ramadi and Tikrit.
To clear a site for the giant facility, DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources report the Americans expropriated the luxury Baghdad Hotel complex that straddles Saadun Street to the east and Abu Nuw’as Street, which is a section of the Corniche along the Tigris, as well as the surrounding blocks between Firodos Square and the city’s main bus terminal to the north at Naser Square.
Since the beginning of this week, an American airlift has been running large containers crammed with electronic parts from American army bases to Baghdad international airport.
Once the Baghdad electronic station is up and running it will aid US forces in their fight against guerrilla and terrorist assailants picking off GIs almost every day. These assaults are harmful but they do not detract from the overall American control over security in the broad expanses of a large country. There is every indication that the US civil administrator Paul Bremer is gradually pulling ahead of the difficulties. His recipe is simple. No Iraqi associated in any way with the overthrown Saddam regime or the outlawed Baath party is to be allowed to take part in government. Bremer equally bars from public service all Iraqis with foreign political connections, even American. This means that all political hopefuls from whatever party, ethnic group or religious sect will fight level for a place in government when the time comes – all standing at the same starting line.
This formula, according to DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources, has brought a measure of calm to the rival Shiite factions who make up more than half the populace and who were on the verge of rising up against the American presence in the country. Now they are more ready to collaborate with the US civil administration, as are the Kurds under their rival leaders, Mustafa Barzani and Jalal Talabani. Since Bremer took over in Baghdad, the two tribal leaders are talking about merging their movements into a single political entity. Without this union, neither holds much chance of office in the future central government.



[ June 25, 2003, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: WmLambert ]

Posts: 1372 | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TomDavidson
Member
Member # 99

 - posted      Profile for TomDavidson   Email TomDavidson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So, um, it sounds like we're looking at a long-term occupation of Iraq, then?
Posts: 22935 | Registered: Nov 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
WmLambert
Member
Member # 604

 - posted      Profile for WmLambert   Email WmLambert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Not necessarily, Tom... You might liken it to our use of Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba - much to our benefit, but the displeasure of Castro.

The benefits may be huge - and the first major factor being the ability to maintain peace?

I dunno - it's early yet...

What do you hope it accomplishes, and what do you fear, and why?

Posts: 1372 | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
TomDavidson
Member
Member # 99

 - posted      Profile for TomDavidson   Email TomDavidson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
What I fear is that we're spending millions on constructing a spy headquarters without the permission of whatever elected government Iraq may someday evolve. This implies -- probably correctly -- that we do not intend to allow them to elect a government that would object to our intelligence presence. Since the deadline for the completion of construction is set for 2005, and since the stated purpose of the center is to protect the American occupation forces in Iraq, that suggests that we intend to continue to occupy Iraq for at least another three years.

I'd like to think that this center will make it possible for us to save more lives, but I've got to admit that I'm rather cynical about that.

[ June 25, 2003, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

Posts: 22935 | Registered: Nov 2000  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
WmLambert
Member
Member # 604

 - posted      Profile for WmLambert   Email WmLambert   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Very possible... But it may also be the case where a government will come in that accepts the presence of these bases. It certainly can't do much about them. It goes a long way to solve the problem of an intransigient Turkey that prevented our use of their country as a jumping-off point, and may rein in the terror camps known to be blatantly operating in Iran.

Information on this is developing very slowly.

Posts: 1372 | Registered: Dec 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
nemes_ie
Member
Member # 804

 - posted      Profile for nemes_ie   Email nemes_ie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Some thoughts:

Sep 11th: 15 Saudis, 4 egyptians.

Saudi Arabia: Highly repressive, unpopular government, teetering towards Islamic fundamentalist revolution (see Iran, Shah)

US: doesn't need middle eastern oil but could certainly use access. Could also use a military/economic base in the region that is outside Israel, as Israel is unpopular enough without adding large US presence, also on Med as opposed to Gulf/Indian Ocean

Iraq: potential threat, S Hussein known to be highly anti-US, and most eveloped, secularised area in region- most likely to accept new democratic ideals if given the option.

Tentative Conclusion:

US government is going after Saudi Arabia, whom they suspect/know (?) to have been prime al-quaeda supporters/financiers. This is a medium-term plan, so is setting up a new geopolitical reality here before moving in force.

Comments and thoughts please.

Posts: 312 | Registered: Oct 2002  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.
UBB Code™ Images not permitted.
Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Ornery.org Front Page

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.1