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thegreatgrundle
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Storm Saxon: LOL!

Here's the Family Guy quote the Dems need to paint this convention.

"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."

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"I'm not quite sure how to take that since he is in the same generation Clinton, Gore, Bush, etc. are."

No, he's not. Clinton was born in 1946. Bush was born in 1946. Gore was born in 1948. McCain was born in 1936. That makes him 68 years old right now. He'll be 72 in 2008.

Someone wrote a book, I forget what its called, about how people from the 'Silent Generation'(those born from 1925-1942, according to the Time magazine article that coined the term) don't get to be president, for some reason. And so far that has been true. From 1960-1992 all the presidents have been born before 1925, and then of course since 1992 the two presidents have been Baby Boomers. The two presidential candidates running for office now are both Boomers. Its like the generation in between the G.I. generation and the Baby Boomers was skipped over.

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Can we quit referring to Buchanan as a republican?

He quit their party, joined another party, and is still bashing republicans for not living up to his standards, warped though they may be.

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Oh, and I am particularily horrified that many of the Republican delegates now seem to believe that Giuliani would make a great '08 Presidential nominee.

I've not been to a national convention but I have been to a state convention.

Let me assure you that most of these people are ordinary folks like you'd meet on the street: not necessarily particularly knowledgeable, perhaps not a news junkie, and perhaps not particularly well-informed on the issues.

They are the people, however, willing to do grunt work on the local level and wiling to jump through whatever hoops it takes to go to the national party (and I mean that in the sense of "party" and not "political party").

Someone sticks a camera in their face and asks them if some nationally known republican would be a good president, the answer is going to be "yes". That's not a real endorsement. And if the delegate looks at what the person believes after the party is over, and they will if he runs for president, their opinion is going to change.

I wouldn't worry about Giuliani being a national force. If he hadn't had to drop out of the Senate race against Ms Clinton due to cancer, he might be a sitting senator and more of a contender.

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I'd thought Bush would have dropped Cheney in order to pick up someone to groom for 2008. (And I mean dropped in the kindest sense of the word as in give Cheney the new intelligence guru position or some other plum assignment.)

That Bush hasn't apparently been grooming anybody makes me suspect he's keeping the door open for Jeb to run.

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McCain doesn't support me on economic issues. I suspect he won't run in 2008 due to age and that'd be perfect to me. The sooner everyone quits worshipping at the altar of McCain the better.

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Orwell's term for this sort of bigotry is that "some people are more equal than others."


Kerry's not only doing that on the homosexual rights issue. He's also doing it against our allies in the war on terror.

He talks a lot about mending relations abroad and follows it up with blasting the three dozen nations that supported our invasion of Iraq.

Only nations which oppose the US are worthy of being treated well?

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I think the national government taking a stand on homosexual marriage one way or the other is unconstitutional. The constitution doesn't have a section on marriage and it says any issues not in the constitution is left to the states. Pretty clear cut to me.

So the republican platform is wrong as far as I'm concerned.

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Hatch and the foreigner president bill

At the beginning of the nation, there were fears that foreign born citizens would have mixed loyalties. And that it would be easy for a foreign power to plant an agent and fund his presidential campaign.

I don't distrust Arnold.

However, during the past decade we saw China pour money illegally into a US presidential campaign in an effort to sway the vote.

How much easier would it be for them if they actually had an agent as one of the candidates?

If there will ever be a time when this is a good idea, I'm not sure. But I am sure its a horrible idea now.

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SS: HaHa! But there have supposedly been four (I'd say five) gay presidents (AHA Conference in Chicago I think it was, 1994); and they've been no worse than Wilson and Harding.

ATW: I'm loath to agree. Imagine having a president born a bike-ride away from Adolf Hitler's birthplace!

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"I'm loath to agree. Imagine having a president born a bike-ride away from Adolf Hitler's birthplace!"

I know there must be a more well-reasoned argument against Arnold than this.

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"There was a clever line in one of the speeches--I think it was McCain who said it--"Saddam Hussein himself was a weapon of mass destruction.""
I think that line was clever, but not that entirely clever, especially since I stated pretty much the exact same line in a post all the way back in June. [Smile]

Anyway, I am greatly heartened that at least one other person thinks that Giuliani's alleged greatness is over-blown. He treated his ex-wife like crap and it seems to me that prior to 9/11, many New Yorkers were actually happy when they heard he had cancer.

As for Bill Owens, I really like the man. I like his politics and believe that he would make a good President. If not Bill Owens, I am also a big Sam Brownback fan.

National Review wrote a great article on Owens last September. I found it here, but could not find a direct link on their website. For some reason, their format has changed and I can't find past articles as easily as I used to.

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Sorry I didn't give you credit where it was due, FIJC, for that line about Saddam himself being a weapon of mass destruction.

I thought Schwarzenegger's speech was excellent, the best so far of the convention. He revealed something I had not known before when he said he lived in Austria while communists still ruled eastern Austria, and how fearful they were whenever they had to cross through the checkpoint that his father or his uncle might be snatched and forced to work at slave labor somewhere. And the socialism in western Austria was hardly better, in his opinion.

It was also fascinating how he gave the first boost to Nixon that we have seen at a Republican convention since Watergate. He recounted how when he first came to America he watched a debate between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon. Since Arnold did not yet speak English, he had a friend translate for him. The remarks of Humphrey sounded to him like the socialism he had just left behind. Then he heard Nixon talking about free enterprise, reducing taxes, and getting government off the backs of the people. He asked his friend what party Nixon belonged to, and was told he was a Republican. Then Arnold said, "Then I am a Republican."

Lara Bush's speech was adequate. It was interesting to hear her account of how her husband agonized over the decision to go to war in Iraq--he was not eager to do it as so many assume.

The two Bush daughters did not win any rave reviews. It was good to witness their political "coming out," now that they have graduated from college. They spent too much time trying to be funny, and some of their humor fell flat. But they did their job in introducing their mother. I guess we should not expect too much of them--they are just out of college, and are far from the sophistication of political veterans. But I suspect they will be assets during the remainder of the campaign. They and their mother are testaments that theirs is a loving and healthy, well-adjusted and functional family.

[ September 01, 2004, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: Ron Lambert ]

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"Sorry I didn't give you credit where it was due, FIJC, for that line about Saddam himself being a weapon of mass destruction."
LOL, that is okay Ron; I am quite sure that many others have thought the same thing at one time or another.

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"I thought Schwarzeneggar's speech was excellent, the best so far of the convention. He revealed something I had not known before when he said he lived in Austria while communists still ruled eastern Austria, and how fearful they were whenever they had to cross through the checkpoint that his father or his uncle might be snatched and forced to work at slave labor somewhere. And the socialism in western Austria was hardly better, in his opinion.

It was also fascinating how he gave the first boost to Nixon that we have seen at a Republican convention since Watergate. He recounted how when he first came to America he watched a debate between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon. Since Arnold did not yet speak English, he had a friend translate for him. The remarks of Humphrey sounded to him like the socialism he had just left behind. Then he heard Nixon talking about free enterprise, reducing taxes, and getting government off the backs of the people. He asked his friend what party Nixon belonged to, and was told he was a Republican. Then Arnold said, "Then I am a Republican.""

I thought that Arnold's speech was very good also. It was very funny and yet gave very clear and I thought, convincing points as to why he is a Republican.

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"Lara Bush's speech was adequate. It was interesting to hear her account of how her husband agonized over the decision to go to war in Iraq--he was not eager to do it as so many assume."
Laura gave me at least, exactly what I wanted to hear--her personal insight and experience with her husband as a President, father, and husband. Hate to be doing comparisons between Laura and Theresa Kerry, but the type of content in Laura's speech was what I wanted to actually hear from Theresa, which she did not give.

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"The two Bush daughters did not win any rave reviews. It was good to witness their political "coming out," now that they have graduated from college. They spent too much time trying to be funny, and some of their humor fell flat. But they did their job in introducing their mother. I guess we should not expect too much of them--they are just out of college, and are far from the sophistication of political veterans. But I suspect they will be assets during the remainder of the campaign."
Whoever wrote the Bush daughters' piece last night did a horrible job; I think that Karen Hughes did? It wasn't funny and the delivery was horrible. They really shouldn't have been up there.
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Jesse, what do you mean "the mess Arnie has been making of California?" He has succeeded at every turn, astonishing those people who said "it couldn't be done," and the man currently enjoys a 65% approval rating in Calfornia. That means a lot of Democrats and Independents approve of the job he's doing, not just Republicans.

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FIJC, no Karen Hughes did not write Barbara and Jenna's speeches. Someone said on MSNBC (I think it was Karen herself) that they wrote their own speeches. Karen is a lot better than that. She's not the equal of Peggy Noonan (Reagan's principal speech writer), but then nobody is.
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2008 is a few years to late to hide the mess Arnie is making of California.
Jesse, I am concerned about your statement. I live in Kalifornia, and I would like to know what Ahhnold is doing to it that is wrong. This could be a thread of it's own probably, but the point was brought up in this one.

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Antother point to consider is that Tuesday's convention did recite domestic policy and successes by Bush. Of course you had to go to C-Span to hear Ron Paige's speech explaining the huge success of NCLB and the funding increases to education. Ron Silver also did a very good job of explaining issues and successes. Tort reform was covered, and increased spending to research and especially to Stem Cell research. Unlike the Democrats, the Republicans are putting the record on the table, and the Democrats are leaving it alone.

I don't know how many times I heard someone point out home ownership numbers are higher than they've ever been, and how 50% of all minorities now own their own homes. There will be more today, and Zell Miller may put the nail in Kerry's coffin.

The LCR may have an agenda outside the rank-and-file GOP, but there seems to be a place for diversity within the party. Now if they could get Sandy Patti to sing the Star Spangled Banner everything would be right with the world.

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aupton15:

Not when it comes to presidential libraries. I think Schwarzenegger is doing a wonderful job in CA and should stay there. Meanwhile, I am inalterably opposed to any more foreign-born presidents.

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Jesse, what do you mean "the mess Arnie has been making of California?" He has succeeded at every turn, astonishing those people who said "it couldn't be done," and the man currently enjoys a 65% approval rating in Calfornia.
That is a big mess, for the lefties.


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Meanwhile, I am inalterably opposed to any more foreign-born presidents.
Any *more* foreign-born presidens? Remind me ... what foreign-born presidents have we had?
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Actually, Pete, it's not a big mess for the lefties at all. What continues to go unreported - though I know it for a fact because a good friend is in the inner circle - is that Arnold's closest circle of advisors are all, to a one, lefties. Yep, social liberals, a whole mess of'em.
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Who was the first president born in the US -- as opposed to a British colony? Buchanan ...?

For those bored with Cheney's speech (pronounced CHEE-nee), here are some unexpected relatives: http://members.aol.com/wreitwiesn/candidates2004/cheney.html . I have Cheney cousins in New Hampshire.

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If you missed Zel Miller’s speech tonight you should find a place to download it. He was great. His fire and brimstone oratory was thunderous. This, along with Arnold’s speech last night are two of the finest political speeches of recent times. Whether you are a Republican or a Democrat, if you love political rhetoric like I do you need find a way to watch this speech.
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My favorite moment so far was Laura Bush using the word "heighth."

No First Lady left behind, eh?

Oh - also, as highlighted on The Daily Show, the C-Span cutaway during a speech on No Child Left Behind - the shot? A kid playing his gameboy on the convention floor. Beautiful.

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"This, along with Arnold’s speech last night are two of the finest political speeches of recent times."

How'd you feel about Barack Obama's?

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grundle, that's a HUGE quote.

I'd like to thank VP Cheney and Senator Miller for giving away the true face of the GOP: Choleric rage. They tried to hide it with Ruidy and the Gubernator (who'se bulliness was held to a minimum, so what most peoploe sawe was qan otherwise lovely speech). However, Cheney and Miller (who, I understand experienced a full blown melt-down on TV after his miserable speech) gave the show away. If the nutbaskets on the streets of NYC can be held in check for one more night, then it is Democrats, not Republicans, who will have ad foidder from this convention)

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Cheney: "Our nation has the best healthcare in the world".

How misleading. Our nation has the best Healthcare in the world - [b] available to those who can pay mucho dineros for it [/] Most (if not all) western democracies have a far, far higher rate of healthcare coverage.

Beautiful example of political prevarication.

As for this:
"And they have lost comrades, more than 1100 brave Americans, whose memory this nation will honor forever." - tragically, there is no point in quibbling over this inaccuracy. We all know that it will soon be true. Then exceeded.

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Zell Miller's speech was greatness itself. More laugh lines and a truer look at Kerry than any of the other speakers has had the courage to present.

It was almost enough to make me change my mind and vote for Bush. Fortunately, I'm more stubborn than that. [Smile]

A transcript of the speech is here

[url] http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1282898.html [/url]

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quote:
Originally posted by RickyB:

I'd like to thank VP Cheney and Senator Miller for giving away the true face of the GOP: Choleric rage. They tried to hide it...However, Cheney and Miller gave the show away.

I wish you could convince the Kerry campaign to televise Miller's speech if you really think Miller said anything that's to Kerry's advantage.

Miller spoke directly to middle class concerns about the headlong charge of the democrat party toward the empty-headed fringe.

Now Miller's speech isn't going to have much effect on the race because not many people saw it.

But if you could convince Kerry to show it to additional people, that would be more of a public service than Kerry has managed to do in his years in the Senate.

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You're not voting for Bush, ATW?

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I'd show Miller on CNN and Hardball. Screaming at the interviewer to shut up and challenging hio a duel do not make one look balanced and deep thinking.
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But RickyB that is what you do.
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OPL: "No First Lady left behind, eh?" [Big Grin] That's the best line of the convention so far.

RB: "1100 brave Americans"; mebbe Cheney's counting spies.

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Ricky, you're in no more position to lecture about choler than I am. [Razz] I mean, when was the last time that you simply said "I disagree", rather than a string of expletives?

Idiot Kerryites have been calling him a traitor all week, when Miller has reason to feel that his party has betrayed him by letting extremists like Daschle, Kerry, and Kennedy run the show. He has reason to be pissed. As for the duel thing, I'll believe it when I see or hear it for myself. Sounds to me like some sore Kerry losers are taking remarks out of context. Links, anyone?

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I don't know, Pete... Miller is at least as much of an extremist as Kerry, Kennedy, and Dashle, who on most issues are rather in line with the democratic core. Miller isn't. The democratic party hasn't represented his beliefs for at least 30 years. Does he WANT the party to reflect his beliefs? Yes, the same way OSC does.

Is he a traitor to his party? No. I was totally confused when Republicans called Jeffords a traitor, largely because he represented his constituency. So does Miller. Thats his JOB. To represent the politics of the people living in his state. Fortunately (as far as I am concerned) the democratic party in georgia isn't representative of the democratic core. I think Communitarianism mixed with aggressive foreign policy is an extremely dangerous political philosophical mix, and its basically what Miller is. But, thats what many southern democrats are... largely, I think, because the south has always been more socially conservative, and more inclined towards the Jacksonian approach to foreign policy, then the north is.

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" They spent too much time trying to be funny, and some of their humor fell flat. But they did their job in introducing their mother. I guess we should not expect too much of them--they are just out of college, and are far from the sophistication of political veterans[...]FIJC, no Karen Hughes did not write Barbara and Jenna's speeches. Someone said on MSNBC (I think it was Karen herself) that they wrote their own speeches. Karen is a lot better than that. She's not the equal of Peggy Noonan (Reagan's principal speech writer), but then nobody is."
I am just out of college too, and I think that the twins are even a few months older than I. That being said, I still wouldn't have written anything quite so silly. The problem with allowing the twins to write their own material is that neither one seems to have any interest in politics at all and neither appears to have any experience in public speaking, which would naturally make them a poor choice to parade on the stage. Oh well, people have spent enough time harpooning them these past few days. They seem like fun girls and at least their speech did nothing to really hurt Bush's numbers.
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Acrtually Pete, I did catch that exchange on MSNBC when Chris Matthews of "Hardball" interviewed Zell Miller, and Miller got really, really fed up with Matthews, because Matthews kept trying to force him to answer with his words ("Are you saying you think Kerry wants our soldiers to fight with spit balls"), over and over again, and then asking questions and talking over Miller's attempt at answering to ask more questions, until Miller had to demand that he shut up and let him answer. Miller said several times he wished he were there at the same location where Matthews was so he could "get in his face." He said "You're not going to browbeat me like you did that young lady you had on your show earlier." And at one point Miller got so provoked he said (as near as I can remember) "I almost wish we lived in another time, when I could challenge you to a duel." Surprisingly, Matthews and Miller backed away from the precipice somewhat and kept on talking for another ten minutes or so. It was one lively exchange. And Matthews was really out of line. But then Miller shouldn't have let Matthews "gaslight" him like that (make him flare up)--which may have been what Matthews was really trying to do.
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