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canadian
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http://news.iconoclast-texas.com/web/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm

Kerry Will Restore
American Dignity
2004 Iconoclast Presidential Endorsement


Few Americans would have voted for George W. Bush four years ago if he had promised that, as President, he would:
• Empty the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits.
• Cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans’ benefits and military pay.
• Eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and raise oil prices by 50 percent.
• Give tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encourage their departure.
• Give away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids.
• Involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, and
• Take a budget surplus and turn it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay.
These were elements of a hidden agenda that surfaced only after he took office.
The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda.
Today, we are endorsing his opponent, John Kerry, based not only on the things that Bush has delivered, but also on the vision of a return to normality that Kerry says our country needs.

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[Big Grin] !!!
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quote:
raise oil prices by 50 percent
how?
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You can read the entire editorial by clicking on the link at the beginning of the first post....
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Hey Canadian, I've been doubting myself lately because there are so many Bush lovers here, so thanks for articulating what I've been feeling for about the last year or so.
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Empty the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security benefits.
Considering that the Social Security Trust Fund is a myth that has never existed I'm not sure what the beef is here. And considering that it is Congress that monkeys with benefits, and not the President, I'm further confused as to how this is being laid at Bush's feet.

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Cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans’ benefits and military pay
Got a source for this? And even if true, it would again be something that Congress did, not the President.

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Eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans
I seem to remember a "flash in the pan" story about his a year or so ago. To my memory it was debunked quite thoroughly within a day or 2 of the charge being made, and so was no longer mentioned since it was demonstrably false. Or do you have a source link that can show me that my memory is in error?

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raise oil prices by 50 percent
I repeat the question of Mr. Xin Ku: How? Oil prices are set by the market, not by the government.

Additionally, when adjusted for inflation, oil prices are still at historic lows, so again I ask: What's the beef? And why would you blame it on the President when he has nothing to do with it anyway?

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Give tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in fact, by policy encourage their departure
Heh. Well that's certainly a twist to the "tax cuts only really benefit the rich" lie. Businesses send jobs overseas due to market factors that may include the tax structure of the country, but it is not soleley limited to that. And last I checked it was an across the borad tax cut, not solely given to "businesses that send jobs overseas." I got a nice refund check from the tax cut and I make less than the median, so I'm "lower middle class" and not a business.

As to the policy of taxing businesses for income earned overseas (a double tax) that encourages departure of businesses overseas (so as to only pay taxes to the country where the income is earned) -- that is something that has been in the tax code for many years. Long before Bush was President. In fact, it was something that Bush didn't request that Congress change in the tax code, more likely due to simply ignoring it. Yet now it's somehow a nefarious scheme by Bush to hurt American workers? [Roll Eyes]

So let me get this straight -- the 1st part of the accusation says that by encouraging Congress to pass legislation to change the tax code he did something wrong, then the second part says that by NOT encouraging Congress to change the tax code he did something wrong. Which is it?

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Give away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without competitive bids
Oh, you mean that standard government policy? You mean it was followed as it has been for how many decades? Strangely enough, I seem to remember a certain President named Clinton awarding no-bid contracts to *gasp* Haliburton (the horror!) -- again, before Bush. It's a standard government policy that has been in place for longer than the current administration. How again is this Bush's fault?

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Involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war
Hmm. It's the most bloodless war in history, but yes, people have died, so the word "deadly" is accurate, but used in a way to imply it being worse than it is. As to questionable. . . that's a matter of opinion. while the author of the editorial may question it, and you may also question it, I don't. And there are quite few more like me. According to the latest polls I've heard about, about 1 of every 2 people is like me. Used to be 7 or 8 of 10, but has dropped. So more people are questioning, but. . .opinion either way.

And irrelevant. The war occurred, and we have boots on the ground there still. The reality is we are in the war and need to win it, whether you question the reasons for it or not.

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Take a budget surplus and turn it into the worst deficit in the history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that will take generations to repay
Here we go again -- Congress controls the purse strings, not the President. Additionally, the economy, which the President also doesn't control, has a very large effect on the tax receipts of the government, and it's been sluggish the past few years -- but again, that's not anything the Prsident can do anything about, so to blame him for it not only disingenuous but just plain dumb.

Further, the national debt has been accumulating for a lot longer than Bush has been President, so to imply that it's all his fault is beyond the pale. It will take generations to repay? DUH!!!!!!! It took generations to build. Yet because the Bush administration lacked the ability to wave a magic wand and make it all go away with a snap of their collective fingers it's somehow solely the fault of the President?

Puh-leez.

[ September 29, 2004, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Jon Camp ]

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Chill, dude...it's just an editorial from Bush' hometown paper...If you want deeper analysis check out the link I provided.

The thing I thought was interesting is that they endorsed him in 2000.

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Under new management?
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That's what I thought, too...but I never bothered to check it out.
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Chill, dude...it's just an editorial from Bush' hometown paper...If you want deeper analysis check out the link I provided.
So you quote a piece that makes baseless accustations and lays blame where it is not earned, it gets rebutted, and you say "Chill, dude" to wave it away.

Typical. "Don't bother me with facts!" [Roll Eyes]

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Yes, Jon Camp, and "Never hold my chosen leader accountable for bills he chooses to sign",

The argument that the "real blame lies with the legislature" only holds water when that lagislature over-rides a veto. Otherwise, thinking individuals know where the buck stops.

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Hi Canuk
duh.....that piece did NOT come from "Dubyah's
"HOME TOWN NEWSPAPER" We have several papers, only one major paper...The Chronicle.

I have never seen that marginal rag you linked to and I have lived here all my life except for two years in the Mid-east.

You probably could not know these facts...but the "hometown iconoclast" is not anywhere close to his hometown paper....and has no editorial standards at all...
Maybe they are just handed out in "the Montrose"
[Big Grin]
Bean

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PS: the "Montrose" is our "autsy fahtsy" district.
There is one good restaurant there...but I cant go there without the waiter winking and pinching my bottom. [Smile]

It embarrases me so I don't go there.
Bean

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Hmm. It does indeed appear that this paper is a "marginal rag" just as Ken says. Interesting history behind the paper there.
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lol

Well, that's why I bring it here!

One illusion dispelled!

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Well in all fairness, I was thinking in terms of Houston as his home town 'cause that's where his parents live, but I guess Crawford IS now his home town...still a marginal rag though.
Bean

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Is this a "marginal rag?"

The LowellSun, a Massachussettes paper, endorses Bush.


Endorsement: George W. Bush for president

It's about national security.

That's the key issue on the minds of Americans planning to vote in the Nov. 2 presidential election.

They must decide whether Republican President George W. Bush or Sen. John F. Kerry, a Democrat, can provide the leadership to safeguard America from foreign terrorism.

Americans aren't fools. They know that without safe cities and towns, America will lose its greatness. Our cherished freedoms and sacred liberties will be diminished, along with our opportunities for economic prosperity and our basic pursuit of happiness.

Our children and their children will live vastly different lives if we fail to guarantee a future free of turmoil.

Islamic extremists, both here and abroad, have one purpose: To destroy America and halt the spread of democracy and religious tolerance around the globe.


They'd like to be plotting in our streets right now. They'd like to be sowing murder and mayhem with suicide bombers and hostage-takings, and spreading fear in the heartland and everywhere else. They'd like to be wearing us down and bringing our nation to its knees.

Since the devastating terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, one American leader has maintained an unbending resolve to protect our homeland and interest against Islamic savages and those foreign governments appeasing them.

That leader is President Bush.

While out-of-touch U.S. politicians and world leaders have attacked President Bush's tactics, they can't question his steely commitment to keep America safe.

In the ashes of ground zero, where nearly 3,000 innocent Americans perished, President Bush vowed to find the perpetrators, in domestic cells and distant lands, and bring them to justice. He said he will do all that is humanly possible and necessary to make certain that terrorists never strike again on U.S. soil.

Can anyone deny that President Bush has not delivered? America the terrorists' No. 1 target has recovered from its tragic wounds and rebounded. It remains safe to this day.

What might a lesser leader have done, faced with the daunting task of deciding America's course against withering, partisan attacks from Democrats, media propagandists, disingenuous U.N. officials and disloyal White House operatives selling their souls for profit during a time of war?

A lesser leader might have caved in. President Bush has stood his ground.

In this year's election, the question isn't whether we are safer now than we were four years ago. We already know the answer. Sure we are and that's because of President Bush. The critical question is: Four years from now, will America be safer than it is today?

In our book, Americans have to place their trust in President Bush. He's proven to be as sturdy as a mighty oak when it comes to saying what he means, meaning what he says and acting decisively.

When it comes to the war on terror, President Bush means to keep our military strong and our country secure.

John Kerry, on the other hand, has all the attributes of the shape of water when it comes to telling us what he believes and what he'd do for America. Like incoming and outgoing tides, Kerry is content to go with the flow. In a dangerous world infested with sharks, Kerry would be chum at America's expense.

We in Massachusetts know John Kerry. He got his first taste of politics 32 years ago in the cities and towns of Greater Lowell.

In his 20 years in the U.S. Senate, Kerry, a Navy war hero, hasn't risen above the rank of seaman for his uninspiring legislative record. He's been inconsistent on major issues. First he's for the 1991 Persian Gulf War, then he opposes it. First he's for the war in Iraq, then he's against it. First he's for a strong U.S. defense, then he votes against military weapons programs. First he's for the U.S. Patriot Act, then he opposes it.

Kerry's solution to stop terrorism? He'd go to the U.N. and build a consensus. How naive. France's Jacques Chirac, Germany's Gerhard Schroeder, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and other Iraq oil-for-food scam artists don't want America to succeed. They want us brought down to their level. And more and more, Kerry sounds just like them. In a recent campaign speech, Kerry said America was in the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

No doubt John Kerry sincerely wants to serve his country, but we believe he's the wrong man, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.


Americans should think back three years ago to the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center. There among the mist lay the images and memories of fallen firefighters, police, a Catholic chaplain and ordinary working citizens moms, dads, sons, daughters.

President Bush, through heartfelt tears, told us never to forget the twisted carnage and the massacre of the innocents. Yet some of us are forgetting.

President Bush told us the attacks must never happen again. Yet some of us are wavering because of the brave sacrifice of soldiers that our nation's security demands.

Well, President Bush hasn't forgotten. Nor has he lost the courage and conviction to do what is right for America.

We know if there is one thing the enemy fears above all else, it is that George Bush's iron will is stronger than his iron won't.

The Sun proudly endorses the re-election of President George W. Bush.

[ October 04, 2004, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: Daruma28 ]

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Well obviously, Daruma, "The Sun" has not been out in the sun long enough. [Big Grin]

Nevertheless, thank you for the article.
Bean

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Prdon me, but can they think of ANY OTHER REASON to vote for Bush besides terror?
And, has Bush done anything constructive to protect civilians from being kidnaped and beheaded?
Don't forget, 9/11 did happen on Bush's watch!

Though, that may have been too vicious... I need to stay out of these political arguments.
It is driving me nuts.

[ October 05, 2004, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: Chromesthesia ]

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1. Why is hometown hatred important?

2. You know George Washington through JQ Adams, you know some of the great presidents, thought and only applied the veto if the law passed was unconstitutional. It was Jackson who said, no no I can veto whatever I want. But he then backed it up by saying it was unconstitutional. Aside from that you don't just veto bills willy nilly. Particularly, since Congress sends you a bill with 400 unrelated topics. Veto some stuff will get the president in trouble b/c it will cause massive delay that angers people.

3. actually, he hasn't paid for the hostages freedom, which is more constructive than I can say for other nations. God only knows how many more hostages there are going to be now.

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OK guys...admission... I don't even understand my last post [Smile] I must have missed typing a word or phrase...I guess??? the thought...if it was rational...now escapes me.
Forgive me for burning your electrons [Smile]
Bean

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Pardon me, but can they think of ANY OTHER REASON to vote for Bush besides terror?
Because he's Anybody But Kerry. [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by KenBean:
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There is one good restaurant there...but I cant go there without the waiter winking and pinching my bottom. [Smile]

It embarrases me so I don't go there.
Bean

Eeeeeh ... sorry? Is this the typical hetero response to homosexuals, in thinking that every homosexual is sexually interested in them? [Wink] [Wink]
It would seem logical to me that, not only do most gays spot a hetero from 30 miles, and subsequently don't pay attention to him, but most heteros are extremely unattractive to gay men.
[Wink]

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Precisely the reason I would vote for Kerry, because he's not Bush. He must be the worst Republican president ever, where's Eisenhower (hell, even Reagan wasn't as greedy) when you need him? I wonder what "beware of the military-industrial complex"
Dwight would have thought about the whole Halliburton situation?

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SunRunner,

I, like Mr. Bean, am from Houston, and I have too say that I have been approached, "hit on", on many occassions when I have ventured down to the Montrose area. Of course, I take it as a compliment, let them know I don't swing that way, and then have a drink with them. So, I guess I don't embarrass as easy as Ken. However, I will say that Ken does know the best restaraunts in town. He bought me lunch in one the other day that was excellent.

JL/KE

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