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ATW
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I've been meaning to start this thread for a while but haven't gotten around to it.

If you were writing a book "Seven Habits of Highly Ineffective People", what habits would you include?

I think I'd start off with procrastination and Everquest....

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Chronic forum posters [Wink]

(It's just a joke, notice the smiley.)

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Feeling that you are somehow destined for management seems to help, too.
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quote:
Originally posted by Molonel:
Feeling that you are somehow destined for management seems to help, too.

How origenal!
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Molonel
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That is an observation which reflects well on niether of us.
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I think a complete lack of listening skills would need to be on there.
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Spending more effort avoiding work than accomplishing work ranks up there in my book. I have to deal with it every day.
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Lately, I cannot force myself to do some task that I know will be hard, but that I'm pretty sure I can probably do if I apply myself, but I just don't want to even think about doing it.

I'm starting a new job on Monday, which will require me to do the above, and I think I am sooooooooooo going to suck at it.

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Blaiming silly things like "habits" for the poor decisions you make.

Honestly, if people would just realize that, by deciding to goof off instead of get a head start on their work they're essentially deciding to do a rushed job on their work at a later date, there would be a lot less passing the buck to things like "habits".

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Crack addiction doesn't seem to help anyone

and the inability to make decisions.
and engaging in office politics.
Tattletaling to supervisors.
Using the word 'issues' often.

Dan

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Having supervisors is ineffective.

Giving one's opinion to anybody but one's broker is ineffective.

Inheriting <50% of the stock renders one ineffective.

Not being one's own boss is ineffective.

And Sweet Wm: making a career of anything you really don't want to do is ineffective. Wasting somebody else's time is one thing; wasting your life is another!

I have a friend with the perfect job. She marries people on the beaches of St John. She makes $500 a pop, has 5-10 a day, and doesn't even have to wear shoes to work [Cool] .

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Being a member of a bureaucracy tends to indicate that you've been promoted to your highest level of incompetence.

Heroin addiction is pretty bad.

I'll think of others as time goes on.

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Worrying about how to be a "More Effective Person" probably doesn't help. Or reading self-help books about same (or self-help books about anything, for that matter).

Ineffective at what?

I think my self-help book will be all about how to be more effective in overcoming your addiction to self-help books.

Actually, Bill Watterson beat me to it. IIRC, Calvin intended to write a self-help book called "Shut Up and Stop Whining: How to Stop Thinking about Yourself." Or something like that. The Last Self-help Book You'll Ever Need!

Only prob, from his point of view, was that it didn't have any potential for bestselling sequels.

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Blaming other people for your failures and shortcomings is pretty ineffective.
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... Especially your parents. Or if you happen to be a Jedi padawan.
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They fock you up, your mom and dad,
They may not mean to, but they do.
They give you all their hangups,
and add some extra, just for you.

- Harold Pinter

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"Thinking" about what you should be doing it instead of doing it!

"Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back-- Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth that ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now."

-Goethe

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canadian, I thought that was a flaw that democrats complained Bush didn't have. [Wink]
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Sorry to contradict the estimable Goethe, but any representational artist-- and this is also true of many abstractionists-- who does not spend a great deal of time thinking about what he or she wants to do before doing it is courting disaster.

Being definitely committed to "doing it" doesn't mean you can just go ahead whenever you like and expect to get good results, unless you are close to absolute mastery of your chosen art form.

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while i'm all for the power of spontaneity wordsworth, another romantic, observed that poetry "is the spontaneous overflow of emotion recollected in tranquility".

ed

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canadian
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lol

No one said to turn off your brain...but I know a lot of people who plan and never do....I'm not sure if that's worse than those who do but never plan...but I'm assuming that the brain is functioning in my scenario.

As a representational artist and a writer I have a lot of experience with this issue...

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Well, here's the 7 Habits of Effective people, and then their opposite:

This should be a good way to limit it to just 7...

Habit 1- Be proactive
Opposite: Be reactive
Habit 2- Begin with the end in mind
Opposite: Don't think about what you're trying to accomplish
Habit 3- Put first things first
Opposite: Spend your time on either what people make you do, or else on whatever you enjoy or is easy. (Spending lots of time reading/posting on internet forums could be an example, unless it is ok under habit 7)
Habit 4- Think win/win
Opposite: Focus only on how you can win.
Habit 5- Seek first to understand, then to be understood
Opposite: Ignore what others want
Habit 6- Synergize
Opposite: Make people follow your orders
Habit 7- Spend time on personal renewal
Opposite: Don't look after yourself

More details on the 7 habits: http://www.quickmba.com/mgmt/7hab/

[ November 15, 2004, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: frogcat ]

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Richard Dey
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I sure hope that all this information on ineffectiveness -- which I'm putting into action -- isn't coming from ineffective people [Smile] !

Is somebody looking for ways that Democrats could make Bush less effective?

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No need to make someone do what they're already doing on their own!

I didn't think about the opposite of the 7 Highly Effective Habits as being related to the Bush administration. But if the shoe fits...

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1. Give every decision full consideration. (Once in a while I catch myself thinking really hard about what kind of candy bar I want.)

2. Don't be predictable. i.e. never knowing quite where you left something you really need.

3. Don't sweat the small stuff. For instance, don't worry about reading your mail.

4. Be a focused communicator. Don't rest until you know everyone understands that it was a "holiday" party, not a "Christmas" party.

5. Don't leave anything half done. Example: "Doom 3" the night before an important meeting.

6. Don't hesitate to make jokes. The CEO just might remember you when it's time to right-size.

7. "Sell" yourself.

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In order of likelihood to screw your life up:
1. Substance/alcohol dependence
2. Untreated mental illness
3. Victim/entitlement attitude
4. Lack of discipline
5. Divorce (or not taking care of spouse well)
6. Halo 2 or other computer games addiction(which leads to #5)
7. TV

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towellman:

1. unless you're an actor/actress
2. unless you're in the arts
3. unless you've got a GREAT lawyer
4. hmmm.I got nothin'
5. unless you're Donald Trump
6. unless you win the International Halo Championship
7. unless you're Sony

[Wink]

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lol, thanks.
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Well y'know, I asked awhile back-- ineffective at what?

Some years ago I attended a salesmanship seminar sponsored by NAMM, the National Association of Music Merchants-- wholesale and retail sales of musical instruments, accessories to same, and sheet music.

The speaker was one of those chaps who make a living selling theories about how to sell more effectively. I imagine he was off to address the National Association of Tire Merchants, the Major Appliance Sales Association of America, or something like that the next week. Different products, same spiel.

All the time he was giving his lecture, I was thinking, "I'd like to see this guy sell an electric guitar to a thirteen year old headbanger."

All such theories, and all self-help books, begin with two fundamental premises. One, there is something wrong with you. Two, here in a series of easy to comprehend rules of thumb, illustrated by "real life" stories of people who have succeeded by using them, is the cure for what ails ya.

Sorry pal, I know it makes me ineffective, but I ain't buying it, thanks.

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taking elephant tranquilizers will make you pretty ineffective, unless your goal is be incapacitated. not sure if that's a "habit".
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That's what I told my therapist...
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Whining
Sleeping in.
Watching porn
Being lazy
Choosing ignorance
Mis-prioritization (i.e. buying a Ferrari and living in a cardboard box)
Addiction

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Whining-- kvetching is an art form.

Sleeping in-- as in sleeping late? One of life's little pleasures.

Watching porn-- I don't, but I'll be there are plenty of "effective" people who do.

Being lazy-- cats have the right idea.

Choosing ignorance-- they don't say it's bliss for nothing, in certain circumstances.

Mis-prioritization-- the guy with the Ferrari is probably more effective at impressing women and inciting envy in other males than the guy with a Toyota and a split-level.

Addiction-- do we include addiction to self-help books and programs that allegedly make you more effective?

It's really just a question of moderation in all things, isn't it? And that's fine most of the time, though it can be a lot of fun to be immoderate too... in moderation. [Cool]

[ November 17, 2004, 02:04 PM: Message edited by: musket ]

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A guy with a Ferrari can be followed, ambushed, killed, and have all his things taken from him. Funny thing about it is, he'd be losing everything whether you killed him or not. He can't take it with him.
Them be priorities.

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Huh? One would assume that, having managed to afford a Ferrari despite living in a cardboard box, the guy could also afford insurance for same. So if he loses it to theft, but isn't killed, he should be able to get another one, no?

Really, I know people who spend tons of money on fancy clothes even though they live in rather modest apartments. Perhaps making a big sartorial impression is more important to them, and in their minds makes them "more effective," than owning a house.

I keep asking the same question and get no answer-- more effective at what?

[ November 18, 2004, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: musket ]

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