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ATW
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Details as they become available.

Let the party begin!

[ November 15, 2004, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: ATW ]

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Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman, Education Secretary Rod Paige, and Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham also announced their resignations.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Donald Evans resigned last week.

That makes it 6 out of 15 Cabinet members gone.

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Hmm...think the tone of this administration is going to be different at all?
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Depends on who they pick to fill the vacancies.

(shrug)

I'm hoping Bush picks a Sec State who is going to focus on purging the State department of people who've set up their own fiefdoms and are trying to run their own foreign policy independent of what the elected branches of government want.

Its been at least a couple of decades since a president has tried to reign in the State bureaucracy.

I'm hoping, but not hopeful, that Bush will take advantage of the opportunity.

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Hoping, but not hopeful...
Sounds about like my feelings about the whole administration.

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ATW
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Well, if Bush had made an issue out of reigning in the State bureaucracy, I'd be hopeful.

As it is, the administration would be taking the heat for doing the chopping while the bulk of the benefit would come to future administrations not having to deal with a bunch of State departments renegades.

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Ah yes, because this attitude of "we'll teach those ninnies at State what's what" has worked SO well - like with the intelligence on Iraq, for instance. State wouldn't play ball about WMD, so the neo-cons set up the Office of Special Plans. Let's do that again! Yay!
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the negotiations with Turkey to be a staging area for the invasion of Iraq when continued leaks from unnamed State department sources were damaging to the turkish politicians who were wanting to support us.

That sabotage basically stopped the invasion from having a meaningful northern front to defeat Saddam's forces there. After baghdad fell, those forces melted away into the civilian population and became "insurgents". State's actions were a direct contributor to raising the US soldier death count.

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Here what is said on the TF1/LCI site (french television) on the changes or possible changes in the us administration.
I babelfished (thank's again joshua) the french text.

John Ashcroft, the Minister for Justice, and Gift Evans, its counterpart with the Trade, announced their resignation. One knows already the successor of the first: it will be Alberto Gonzales, hitherto chief of the legal services of the White House, which was also had a presentiment of like future judge at the supreme Court.

Two of fall. For last Wednesday and the re-election of George W Bush - even front -, American political microcosm has taken the bets on the new Bush administration. Who will leave? Who will remain? Who will change place? One knows from now on the response for two stations: the ministry for Justice and that of the Trade from now on will be directed by new heads. John Ashcroft and Don Evans indeed announced their resignation.
The departure of John Ashcroft is more symbolic system. At 62 years, the Attorney General - equivalent of our Minister for Justice - was one of the most preserving elements of the first Bush government. Representative of the right-hand side Christian, savagely hostile with the abortion and also savagely in favour of the death penalty, it had in particular made adopt after the attacks of 11 September 2001 very discussed "Patriot Act". This legislative arsenal authorizes the phone-tappings, the police custodies prolonged for the foreigners, the hardening of the rules of immigration, the monitoring of the courriels of the private individuals or that of the religious organizations.

Alberto Gonzales, first Latino with Justice

George W Bush paid homage to him by affirming that "during his four years spent to the ministry for Justice, John transformed to make fight against terrorism the priority and to give the people charged to make respect the law the tools necessary to disorganize and prevent new attacks. By doing this, it was ensured that the rights of the Americans are respected and protected ". The American president announced in the tread that it named in its place Alberto Gonzales, hitherto chief of the legal services of the White House. Near to the republican president, Alberto Gonzales in particular was a judge in Texas, State whose George W Bush was the governor before being elected president in 2000. It is the first Hispanic one to hold the wallet of justice in an American administration. Conservative, Gonzales, which was also had a presentiment of to become judge at the supreme Court, in the event of departure of the one of the nine named judges with life has however an image more moderated than his predecessor John Ashcroft.

The departure of Gift Evans, 58 years, minister with the Trade, is less media. But George W Bush loses with him an adviser and a friend.

Other great foreseeable changes

- Pentagon. Donald Rumsfeld, civil little appreciated soldiers, could take his retirement. Two favourites for its succession: Tommy Franks, the former commander-in-chief in Iraq, or Condoleeza Rice, adviser with national safety.

- State Department. Colin Powell, "dove" among the "falcons" néo-conservatives, will have evil to support new affronts four years additional. There too, the name of Condoleeza Rice circulates to succeed to him. One also speaks about John Danforth, the former American ambassador with UNO or of John McCain, the "franc-tireur", senator of Arizona. Paul Wolfowitz, assistant of Rumsfeld to Defense, spearhead of the doctrines of preventive war, does not seem any more on the rows.

- To advise with national safety. Condoleeza Rice promised with the Pentagon or the State Department to less than it does not choose to turn over to teach in Stanford -, its assistant, Stephen Hadley, should take over."
End of the quotation.

Are rats leaving the ship ????
[Wink]

Harmony

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quote:
Originally posted by Harmony:

Are rats leaving the ship ????
[Wink]

Harmony

Don't know that I'd go that far. Bush has had very little turnover compared to some presidents. Some of it is getting rid of deadwood like Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham. Maybe he's a wonderful person but in year four, he hasn't been able to shepard through Bush's energy plan from year one even in the middle of an energy "crisis".

Some of its bad appointments to start with like Education Secretary Rod Paige (not enough experience or direction) and Ashcroft (position given as a consolation prize for not stirring up an election aftermath controversy in Missouri).

Some of it is people getting tired of the job and wanting to move along.

Now if Rumsfeld resigns voluntarily before the beginning of the second term, that'd be someone deserting a sinking ship.

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Sinking ship?

Whats sinking? The Bush administration? They just got re-elected. /boggle

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Of course ! you don't change the general in the middle of a war!
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Having Cabinet turnovers between terms is pretty common. The exodus from the Bush administration is not really out of the ordinary.

If Rumsfeld resigned, that would be a big surprise. Same with Condi Rice.

I think the tone of the administration will be a little softer, but not really different other than that. And the only reason why the Bush may be a little kinder, gentler is because they're so compromised on the international stage, not because they've realized the error of their ways.

The Bush administration now has a whole four more years to sink.

[ November 15, 2004, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Anonymous24 ]

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According to one TV analyst, the average length of a cabinet appointment is three years, and the Bush administration has been one of the more stable in US history.

Also, it sounds like Condi Rice is going to get the Secretary of State job. That should position her nicely for a presidential run in '08 if she wants. I wouldn't mind if the old tradition of having the presidential heir apparent be the secretary of state instead of the VP - makes sense to me.

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Having turnover may be par for the course, but Powell is leaving because he is not happy with the Bush administration. Particularly they way they made him look like a fool in front of the world at the UN.

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Funny. To hear Powell, talk, one gets an impression that it's the UN that made him look like an optimistic fool in front of the US. Kind of like Arafat did to Clinton.
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Funny, I thought it was the French who snadbagged Powell.
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quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - National security adviser Condoleezza Rice, one of President Bush's closest confidants, will be nominated to replace outgoing Secretary of State Colin Powell, senior administration officials said on Monday.

Bush also plans to name Rice's deputy, Stephen Hadley, to replace her as national security adviser, the officials said.


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As if one has to do with the other... [Smile]
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