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LoverOfJoy
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This was quickly resolved but I thought it was amusing.

Basically a child wrote a poem about Thanksgiving and the kids voted to post it on their door. Apparently it mentioned that the Pilgrims thanked God and the word God was taken out by whoever it was that printed it up big.

I especially liked this line:

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"This is exactly the kind of misunderstanding that has run rampant throughout our country," Leland said. "If she wrote, 'Pilgrims thank turkeys for what they were given,' that would have been fine."
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Ivan
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But what about athiest pilgrims! This type of blanket assumption that all pilgrims believed in a judeochristian God undermines the belief undermines the ability of athiest children to relate to pilgrims! The government must not be allowed to force religion on us like this. They might as well have executed all non-believers!! This is a travesty!

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yeah, besides, most pilgrims were homosexuals and weren't even allowed into churches to learn about God. [Razz]
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Richard Dey
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LOJ: Actually, the first homosexuals were returned to England for execution. The Pilgrims did, however, execute boys for "bestiality" -- exactly as the Bible prescribes.
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aupton15
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Four posts to get from children's poetry to bestiality. If records were kept on this kind of thing, I'm sure this would be one.

Let kids write about God if they want to. It's not as if the teacher is making them recite a Christian poem, or indoctrinate them with a particular kind of religion. For the love of Turkey, let the kid express him/herself for a couple of years before you start censoring everything they write. Absolutely ridiculous.

If you really want to be fair and balanced, let them all write poems about God, Yaweh, Allah, the tree outside, or who/whatever they choose. I understand why you don't let adults force children to say a particular prayer or whatever, but you can't stifle a child's (positive, peaceful and appropriate) expression and expect anything good to come of it.

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aupton,

I agree, nicely put too.

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Now, along the lines of another thread where we were discussing the difference between history and participation in religion, this falls on the history side. It is a pretty well-established fact that the Pilgrims prayed to God.

But please note, that the school got it right when the issue was examined closely. And even one of the strongest advocates for keeping God out of the classroom agreed that this was an overreaction:

"This sounds like a pretty straight-up case of a school overreacting," said Robert Boston, spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "Obviously, if the student is supposed to write about the Civil War, they can't write about the Old Testament instead, but this is different."

And cheers to the 10-year-old, whose poem was very widely published. She should sell signed copies on e-bay to the religious right.

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The Drake
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And, yes, there is a bias against Christianity in situations like this. If a native American student wrote a poem including the "Great Spirit", it would be hailed as a multi-cultural coup.
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The Drake, the problem here is that this issue regarded close examination at all. If anything situations involving religious issues BROUGHT UP by 10 year olds should be encouraged, discussed, and brought to the forefront. The solution (which will never be brought about because it would be too controversial) is to teach teachers how to deal with these situations productively rather than stifling discussion whenever someone utters a "god" word.
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"The solution (which will never be brought about because it would be too controversial) is to teach teachers how to deal with these situations productively rather than stifling discussion whenever someone utters a "god" word."

Erm, wrong. Its part of a required course for my education program.

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I'm glad it's in your program Ev. I'm sure you would have handled the situation better regardless of the training anyway, but some people probably need help with this one. My sister's education program doesn't have any kind of requirement for dealing with this. She's in elementary ed.? You?
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Secondary ed. Its part of my socio-cultural perspectives class. I'm not sure how far into her program she is, but its likely to be part of one of her classes.
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So how do they tell you to deal with it, Ev?
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"So how do they tell you to deal with it, Ev?"

They probably tell you to recommend psychological counseling, and perhaps have her put on Ritalin. [Smile]

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They don't "tell" us how to deal with any of these situations. Rather, the whole course is about understanding people of cultures different from ourselves, and how to make them feel included in the classroom, and how to make sure that people use what my professor calls their "cultural capital" to their own benefit. In other words, what the kid who wrote this poem did is what we're supposed to encourage.
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I'm going to double-check with my sister, but she's pretty far along and hasn't had any courses at all. Perhaps they don't expect to have these kinds of discussions with younger students. Or more likely, the program she's in isn't preparing her for these things very well. I'm glad to know it's dealt with in your program. That's a good sign that other programs are trying too, but I don't think it's quite a universal requirement yet.
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No, its not universal. THis is massachusetts after all [Smile] We're normally ahead of the curve.
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I can't even be offended. In West Virginia we're so far behind the curve it's still a straight line [Smile]
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