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Jesse
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I really didn't think it was that great (the shots either way).

"Sad Granpa" and "Double Maverick" were both worth a slight chuckle. McCain wouldn't be getting spanked so bad Tuesday if he'd shown a little more of that kind of self-effacing humor over the last couple of months.

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I loved "Sad Grandpa"
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Stacy even said it made her like him more.

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It's not that it was that funny. I mean, I laughed, but it was not Pee-Your-Pants Funny.

It is more that he was just showing that he hasn't lost the grace to laugh at himself, with the rest of us, about the things about him that are funny.
When Sarah Palin was on, I just felt uncomfortable - she obviously didn't get the joke, and it was like everyone was laughing at her while she pretended to also think it was funny so she wouldn't have to lose face in public.
When Obama was on the Daily Show, he only had small moments of humor about himself underneath the gravitas; he gets the joke, I think, but doesn't feel like it's appropriate to play along.

John McCain gets the joke, and makes the joke, and is the joke, and it's great. People who can make fun of themselves without looking pathetic are pretty rare.

(I'm still not voting for him. But I do like him again now.)

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Jesse
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Eh, he's got some appologizing to do.

I expect it will come sometime in Feburary, and almost certainly on Meet the Press.

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Yeah, but isn't a little weird that somebody who wants to be President will go on a comedy show and let himself be the butt of every joke? SNL is viciously and deliciously funny, but I felt like McCain let himself be stuffed into a bass-o-matic.

Obama has both the wit and the gravitas to go toe to toe with Jon Stewart and the brains not to get laughs at his own expense on SNL.

Does anyone think McCain will get a single extra vote for doing SNL?

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Jesse
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No, but I bet it bumped his favorables two points. A couple dozen people may not bother to vote *against* him.
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Hey everybody - just want to wish you all luck at the polls tomorrow. May your lines be short and your turnout plentiful. [Wink]
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DaveS-

I looked at the SNL.... and I really think McCain damaged himself. Not that he wasn't funny, or that it was "bad" in any way, but because he let himself be seen as the good sport loser, exactly the wrong image to project at this point in time from his point of view.

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quote:
May your lines be short and your turnout plentiful.
So long as the turnout is plentiful during times when I am not in line. [Wink]
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I voted absentee this year. No line to pick up the form, I took it home and read up on the web on all the candidates and ballot initiatives I didn't know well, filled out the paper ballot in pen, which means there will be a permanent record of exactly what I marked and meant to mark, and dropped it off back where I got it, no line.

I did it so that one snaking line would have one fewer person in it waiting for hours and everyone who would have been behind me will be done 5 minutes sooner than if I had been there.

That's still not good enough. If everybody's ballot was mailed to them 30 days in advance with a postage free envelope, I could have even saved the little gas and time it took me to go there and back again. We make it so hard.

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Is there an increased chance of voter fraud with absentee ballots? How is that "prevented"?
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I don't think so. I had to show a picture id to get my ballot and they attached a printed label with my name to it. At most, only one person purporting to be me can cast a vote. As to whether I filled it out or not, they can't know that, but I don't think the chance for fraud is any greater than voting by any other means.

IMO, the concern about fraudulent voting is overblown. In Ohio in 2004, I think there were something like 200,000 supposedly suspicious or challenged ballots (almost all challenges made by Republicans), but in the end only 7 votes were deemed fraudulent.

Voter suppression is a vastly greater and very real problem. Many people are warned by phone (also almost exclusively by Republicans) that if they have outstanding parking tickets they will be arrested at the polling place, or they won't be allowed to vote at all. In 2004 in CA and this year in FL, people who filled out voter registration forms and indicated they were Democrats had their registration forms dumped in the garbage or along the highway. I wonder which party did that?

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I learned years ago - never hand your registration card to anyone. Mail it in yourself. Stamps are cheap.
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So DaveS, are you suggesting it's only Republicans who challenge votes as being fraudulent, and only Republicans who commit voter suppression?

Jeez, I'll generally admit to being pretty naive, but even I'm not THAT naive. [Razz]

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No, and I welcome people to report cases from either side. I did an extensive bit of reading on the 2004 problems, and the vast preponderance were aimed from the right, mainly at vote suppression of minorities. The only alleged malfeasance I've heard of on the part of Dem backers in this election are claims against ACORN for vote fraud, but those have not stood up.
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I have a question for whoever has a minute. Have you heard of a community emergency preparedness scheme that involves putting flags in your yard to signal whether you're OK or not?

Twice now, a woman has dropped by my house asking if we have 15 minutes to talk about something like this. Both times we haven't had 15 minutes. She said she would come back later and we said OK.

But I was getting a weird vibe, because when I asked if she had a flyer or something she could just leave with us, she said no. I think to myself, what kind of community emergency planning would be completely without informational materials? She also spoke very awkwardly, saying "the church and the community" were working on this. In this area, "the church" is common shorthand for "the LDS church" but still, it seemed odd that she lumped in the church and "the community" that way.

She indicated that she would like to gather our names and how many people live in the house, so combined with the odd lack of printed information, her awkward turns of phrase, etc., I'm half of a mind to suspect some kind of sales pitch or another ulterior motive.

So anyway I was wondering if the flag system rings a bell with anyone. If it's something that people are familiar with then maybe I'll let her come inside next time instead of immediately moving to hostile questions such as "who do you work for, and why do you want our information?"

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Jesse
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Doesn't sound legit to me at all sci-fi.

She ought to have some kind of ID card or something if it's for real.

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Well, the thing is it wouldn't surprise me if it's some legit - meaning sincere - thing, but done really badly by people who just had a bright idea for a Relief Society service project. I don't, however, particularly see how such a thing is ever going to come in handy. I mean, if the house is standing, we're OK. Otherwise, we're not. If we're being overrun by Cossacks, whatever we planned for is most likely moot, you know?

So I don't want to be ruder than is warranted when (most likely) sending her on her way next time.

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Ugh. CNN's website for election results isn't listing 3rd party candidates. How will I survive the night without knowing if Nader got 0.4% or 0.5%???

OK, all kidding aside. I do like seeing how the various 3rd parties do. I admit it definitely streamlines their pages, but still... Even MN's senate race, in which a 3rd party guy is pulling a Perot, doesn't have him listed. Maybe it'll get changed in the evening, but who knows?

Also, as a random aside, Arkansas sucks. 4 Congressional seats, and all are running unopposed? Geez people, nominate some candidates already! It's races like these that are why the government's so bad. Let's see some competition!

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scifi --

upside down US flag can be used as a distress signal...maybe that's what the woman was trying to get at...

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Scifi, I know of multiple LDS wards that have passed out laminated sheets of paper of different colors. The idea is that in the event of an emergency you could post them on your front door or something to let people know how you are doing. Green = ok, red = send help. Something like that. (One ward even had a color for 'no one home'. Don't ask me how that one gets posted) Maybe this sort of thing is what your visitor is talking about?
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Sounds pretty much right, Clark.
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You people should listen to me.

Just because I'm partisan doesn't mean I BS the numbers.

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"OK, all kidding aside. I do like seeing how the various 3rd parties do. I admit it definitely streamlines their pages, but still... Even MN's senate race, in which a 3rd party guy is pulling a Perot, doesn't have him listed. Maybe it'll get changed in the evening, but who knows?"

Very annoying, I agree. Franken and Coleman suck so badly that a huge chunk of their vote slid to the independent. Man our Senate race sucked this year.

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Unfortunately, things have devolved to the point that I'm going to have to stop participating on Ornery due to the advice of counsel.

No matter how many unwanted phone calls I continue to receive, I weaken my own case by participating here of my own free will when I know the person harrasing me participates here.

Be well, all. Or, Most.

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Congrats to all who won today (or rather last night)!

I will be blaming you for all things that go wrong over the next four years. After the past eight it seems only fair. [Smile]

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thanks, OR.

Speaking for myself and our folks, we'll try our best to work positively for all.

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After a month I had to take back my Lincoln Expedition/Escalade because my company finally bought me my 09 Dodge Ram 2500 extended cab.

It is beautiful, but there are no radio controls on the handle, I actually have to reach to change the channel, the seat doesn't warm my butt in the morning, and it rides really rough. Life ain't fair! [Wink]

Got my first commission check and it is the biggest one I've gotten in almost twenty years. Now that damn Marxist in the White House is gonna start taking my money! Figures I finally get rich and we finally go Socialist. [Frown]

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Jess, I hope you are kidding. And I'm going to be pissed if you aren't. You can't let someone run you off a forum. If it is that bad take legal actions. If not ignore him and let the Mod handle it. Block your emails from him. But do now run away!

That's my two cents but it's your life and if you do leave I will miss you immensely my friend. Keep in touch. Email me and I'll give you my new cell number.

KE

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Plus, I doubt anybody, with the possible exception of Ev, has ever had more mean knock down drag outs with Pete than I. But today he and I are real friends. We talk on the phone and exchange email and someday when I go to Vegas we will meet. I know you are mad now but things can be resolved.

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Sheesh, Media Matters can't celebrate for a minute, can they? Now they're trying to criticize the media of today by criticizing the media of four years ago:

In 2008, will media recall 2004 declarations of Bush "mandate"?

Why don't you just wait until someone says Obama doesn't have a mandate? Or do you fear that that won't happen?

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Dave, you and I have had a lot of misunderstandings, and I regret never having been able to iron them out. If you're ever planning to be in Vegas again, please drop me a note by email, and food & drinks are on me.
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Mind if I ask why? I'm sorry if you've said this somewhere else; I haven't been reading Ornery too much as of late. But it seems to have gotten markedly better over the past week or so.

Edited to Add: Cum hoc ergo propter hoc? ;X

[ November 05, 2008, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Paladine ]

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No fair speaking pig Latin! I know it was Esperanto, I was just kidding. [Wink]

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he was saying "with it means because of it?" i.e. "correlation means causation?"

Latin. Cum - with. Magna cum laude - mostly with honors. Summa cum laude - all with honors.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jesse:
Unfortunately, things have devolved to the point that I'm going to have to stop participating on Ornery due to the advice of counsel.

No matter how many unwanted phone calls I continue to receive, I weaken my own case by participating here of my own free will when I know the person harrasing me participates here.

Be well, all. Or, Most.

Phone calls? That's not me. Who else have you pissed off here?
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In my opinion, making repeated unwanted phone calls (or sending repeated unwanted emails, or sending excessive letters, or spending too much time near someone's house) to someone is not something one does because one is pissed off.
It is something one does because one is unbalanced.

Healthy people don't deal with anger, disappointment, frustration, and other negative emotions that way.

I am reminded of my friend who just got a restraining order against her ex-boyfriend, who would not stop calling her, sending text messages, and coming uninvited over to her house. Not because he was angry, but because he couldn't keep an appropriate emotional distance.

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Boundaries. Not just for voting precincts.
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Guys. I just got a report that there were problems accessing the end of this thread (error messages received). We've posted so much we've gone and broke the thing! I'm locking this thread and starting a second one. We can continue where we left off there. [Smile]
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