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Pete at Home
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As you may know, the Nation's hardly a right wing paper [Big Grin]

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051114/cornweb2

Summary: Democrats don't spin a fairie tale and admit. Alito's not an "extremist" and he's obviously qualified. It's OK to oppose Alito because you think his politics would be bad for the country!!! Try to gather support that way, and realize that if you filibuster, the Republicans will change the rules, and that's their right -- and if Dems whine about "nuclear option," the country will rightly laugh at them.

And as Andrew Sullivan pointed out this morning, if you think a straightforward vote in the senate is a raw deal, then try winning a few elections next time.

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I agree. Although I am not convinced that Alito's politics would be bad for the country, so my agreement is probably worthless.

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That's why I, as a pinko type, haven't gotten too excited about the supreme court nominees in general. We already lost the battle, now we're just waiting to see how bad of a defeat it was.

I'd suggest the Dems consider provoking the nuclear option, even if they can't spin it effectively. Then, it'll be there when they're in majority someday. The filibuster is an assine rule in a democracy and, as some liberals pointed out at the time, has come up bite us on our left butt cheek quite a few times in the 20th Century.

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Except, as has been pointed out from the beginning, a filibuster doesn't prevent a vote, just delay it, unless the Senate leader allows it to prevent a vote. So the one who is calling for the "nuclear option" is the one who can decide that it is not needed! [Mad]

Right now I don't see a reason for anyone to call for a filibuster, since I haven't seen anything terrible about Alito. But I would like to see the option there in case there is something terrible discovered, or for a possible future appointee.

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If it had been used against M*ers, would it have been a fillybuster?
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Pete at Home
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quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Son:
Right now I don't see a reason for anyone to call for a filibuster, since I haven't seen anything terrible about Alito. But I would like to see the option there in case there is something terrible discovered, or for a possible future appointee.

Makes sense. Which is exactly why they should *not* filibuster over a mere case of ideological disagreement. Because if they abuse it, they lose it.
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I'm sticking with my prediction. As soon as someone asks Scalito about the constitutionality of the Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, or any other pet Bush un-conservative, big-government thing, there's an excellent chance that the Republicans will take care of this problem on their own.
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Exactly. Because thus far, Republicans have done an excellent job of opposing big government and fighting for individual rights during the Bush administration. [Smile]
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Pete at Home
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Cough.

Raisch v. Ashcroft. With exception of Scalia,
t'was the conservative judges standing up for individual rights against the all-powerful heartless fed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zyne:
I'm sticking with my prediction. As soon as someone asks Scalito about the constitutionality of the Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security, or any other pet Bush un-conservative, big-government thing, there's an excellent chance that the Republicans will take care of this problem on their own.

Alito's Answer: I can not comment on anything that may come before the Court

That won't exactly give anyone ammunition to vote him down.

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Ivan - Whose political philosophy led to Kelo v New London?
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