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Daruma28
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Check out Drudge:

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Today's memorial service for civil rights activist Coretta Scott King -- billed as a "celebration" of her life -- turned suddenly political as one former president took a swipe at the current president, who was also lashed by an outspoken black pastor!

The outspoken Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ripped into President Bush during his short speech, ostensibly about the wife of Martin Luther King Jr.

"She extended Martin's message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said.

The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation.

A closed-circuit television in the mega-church outside Atlanta showed the president smiling uncomfortably.

"But Coretta knew, and we know," Lowery continued, "That there are weapons of misdirection right down here," he said, nodding his head toward the row of presidents past and present. "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor!" The crowd again cheered wildly.

Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly.

Later, Carter said Hurricane Katrina showed that all are not yet equal in America. Some black leaders have blamed Bush for the poor federal response, and rapper Kayne West said that Bush "hates" black people.

KING FUNERAL TURNS POLITICAL: BUSH BASHED BY FORMER PRESIDENT, REVEREND

Check out that picture of Laura Bush....I didn't know she could have that evil eye like that.. lol

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"Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly."

Hmmmm, isn't this a case of "if the shoe fits"? He was talking about something done 35 years ago. If it discomfits people living and acting today, well then...

The second thing is more of a direct swipe. [Big Grin]

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Why would Bush W wiretap C. King? Or was Carter talking about J. Edgar Hoover? I hate GW, but he can hardly be blamed for that.

The only part of it I saw was the first President Bush and he looked like he was having a great time. The Reverend must have come after him?

KE

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Both KE. He was literally talkinb about Hoover's wiretapping, but of course it was also a swipe at Bush for the NSA issue.
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Carter was talking about ole Edgar, as a way to mention wiretapping. It was sly and intentional, no doubt, but in no way out of line. After all, it DID happen (Edgar the scumbag wiretapping Dr. King). So my man Jimmy just used the (un)happy coincidence to elegantly get his point across, without raising the current political issue directly. The fact that people are up in arms just shows he hit the spot. [Big Grin]

Ed. to add: Please don't call him GW. that reminds me of a very noble hemp farmer, warrior and statesman from Mount Vernon, Vihginny. Those two should never be mistaken for each other, don't you agree? [Smile]

[ February 07, 2006, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: RickyB ]

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What spot, Ricky? (I know you're joking about this, and I do appreciate the humor...really, I do) BUT --

...it's quite a stretch to compare the wiretapping by Hoover - one of the biggest snakes to ever hold a post in the Federal Government - who wanted to acquire anything he could to blackmail anyone and everyone he could - versus the Bush Admin wiretapping conversations between Zacharias Moussaoui in MN and Al Zawahiri in Pakistan....

I just feel the need to point that out since the entire NSA Wiretapping issue has been spun as "domestic spying."

No doubt, Hoover was a pioneer in American "domestic spying" and his wiretapping of the King's was absolutely despicable.

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Ah, but that there's the beauty. He wasn't comparing. He wasn't saying jack. That's what I mean by "if the shoe fits".

Jimmy found a perfectly relevant way to mention wiretapping. Just mention. He didn't draw the parallel. You did. The fact that you and Bush got all offended is about y'alls guilty conscience. Dig? [Big Grin]

Also, if you've been following, there's no proof this program netted ANYONE, much less "Moussaoui phoning Al Zawahiri". You don't just stumble on to those conversations. You tap them because you have suspicions - which can be used to GET A GODDAMN WARRANT FROM THE SPECIAL COURT THAT EXISTS FOR THAT VERY PUPOSE IN THE @#$% FIRST PLACE. Sorry. I needed to do that. Thank you.

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Jimmy found a perfectly relevant way to mention wiretapping. Just mention. He didn't draw the parallel. You did.
lol

I did. Bush did. You did. And the hundreds of people in the audience that gave the line a standing ovation did.

We all know EXACTLY what the Peanut Farmer meant...

Clever, but IMHO, entirely inappropriate for a funeral.

[ February 07, 2006, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Daruma28 ]

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No, it wasn't. This was the funeral of a deeply political person, who was important because of her politics. I'm willing to bet the farm that the peanut farmer knew far, far better than you, me, or the arrogant little preppie who was "smiling weakly" what Mrs. King would have found appropriate.
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They'd been friends for thirty years. Her life was about politics, but her death isn't supposed to be? Did you expect Carter to say "loving wife and mother. NEXT" ?

Should we ignore the fact that she was a peace activist, that she opposed war, and that she publicly opposed the war in Iraq?

Would it have been wrong to mention the polio vaccine at Jonas Salks funeral?

If Carter mentioned the repeated death threats against Dr.King and his family by the KKK, would you be upset that this womans death was being exploited with obvious swipes at Byrd? I kind of doubt it.


She was a political person. When wonks stood up at Reagans funeral, and talked about his "victory over communism", I didn't hear one peep from avowed socialists about the "exploitation" of the mans death.

Now, do you want to make a case that Correta did NOT oppose many of Bushes policies? That she did not spend much of her life pointing out that we spend money on war and weapons that she believed would have been better spent on the poor?

Celebrating a persons lifes work and reminding people of her message....what a pathetic exploitation.

We got it Cartman. You hate Democrats. Anything of value you want to share with the group?

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My grandma's funeral featured a political joke that would seem to be a discomfort to the Rs in the family. It didn't seem to cause us any problems.

My cousin Marty, giving the eulogy, said that he'd never heard Grandma say a bad word about anybody, well, except for one man and he was governor. (Everyone knew that he meant Michigan Gov. John Engler, whom was grandma's particular bete noir who won on proximity. Engler was the first new-school Republican governor of Michigan. Grandma could deal with the Romneys and the Millikens of the world, even if she didn't like them)

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I've said it before; at my best friends funeral I said that he (John S) would want people to get right with God. So, I think it is appropriate to voice the deceased views.

However, it is the president of the US. Respect the office. Maybe give him a heads up and give him a chance to bow out and give a news conference later expressing his sorrow. I don't know. On one hand the deceased should be spoken for. On the other hand; Insulting the president when he was paying homage to an exceptional American, doesn't sit well with me.

Although I don't think the wiretap is that big a deal, I just don't see why 72 hours isn't enough. What don't they want known.

Sorry about the GW, Ricky. I'm just lazy like that.

And not all Democrats, Jesse. Daruma loves me. In a macho guy way of course.

KE

[ February 07, 2006, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]

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Hey, nobody made a cheap joke about HIM. It was all about the issue.

I have so far touched the lives of - if I did really well after all on this earth - one millionth of the hearts Dr. King And Corretta Scott King did. But I still consider myself a political person. If I were to croak tomorrow and no-one at my funeral got in a decent dig at several politicians and world figures I detest, one of whom being Baby Bush, I would be so annoyed, I'd probably stick my dick in some cloud and rain on their parade... Then again, that's me. [Smile]

As for the laziness - double your pleasure and call him W. He's got that one to hisself. [Big Grin]

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Carter can say what he wants. Every speaker today had the opportunity to say what they wanted. If it was anyone's place to be offended by what was said, or of turning a personal family event into a political stage, it was the King family's.

That they weren't says something as well. Wouldn't we all agree?

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Um, yeah [Smile]
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Don't misunderstand me, I'm disappointed in the King family for what happened today. But it was their choice in how to honor their mother. I've personally felt that the majority of the King family never lived up to MLK Jr.'s legacy - and believe me, I've had a chance to watch the circus for my entire life. But then again, Christians regularly fail to live up to Christ's legacy, the Israelites let down Moses at a crucial moment, and ad nauseum. The sun will rise tomorrow on the same world.

I keep hoping for better, though.

And I must not be a political person, because if some idiot turns my funeral into anything other than a private moment for my family, I will rise from the grave and eat their brain.

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quote:
We got it Cartman. You hate Democrats. Anything of value you want to share with the group?
RESPECT MY AUTHORITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Grin]

I don't hate Democrats. I married one. (It only works because we do not discuss politics...ever.)

I'm also related to quite a few of them. [Wink]

"Some of my best friends are Democrats." [Big Grin]

I hate the Democrat party machine that ran the State Govenrment I worked for for almost 5 years.

I hate the National Democrat party politicians who have used every single aspect of the war in the last 4 years for partisan political gamesmanship.

And I hate all of the quasi-socialist programs my tax dollars were taken from my paycheck to fund.

And I also hated being a memeber of the Hawaii Government Employees Association (da Union), where my union dues were taken from me and used for political causes and action groups I am diametrically opposed to.

But there are a few Democrat polticians I do respect. I've voted several times for Hawaii Congressmen Akaka, Abercrombie and Inouye. A Presidential Race of Barak Obama versus John McCain will see me voting for a Democrat President for the first time in my life.

You cannot live in the State of Hawaii without associating and fraternizing with Democrats. For the most part, I see them as genuine people that truly care about their issues and think the Democrat party is the only way to address them. I may agree on the issue, just not the method to address them.

And for the most part, much of what I post on this here board that is anti-Democrat are a lot of the pent up thoughts and feelings I have that I don't really express in the thousands of day to day interactions with people in business, parites and social occasions, as mostly everyone here is liberal/Democrat.

Anyhow, I agree with KE on this one...I just don't think it was very respectful to invite a dignitary such as the sitting President of the United States to a funreal, which is supposed to be a great honor for the deceased, only to turn it into a chance to take some political shots at the present dignitary. I would be this bothered by it if a speaker had used Reagan's funeral to take shots at Carter or Clinton or any other Democrat as well.

If they wanted to have an all out Coretta Scott King Bash Bush Memorial, they most certainly should not have made him welcome or a featured speaker. I don't think that is an unreasonable position, Democrat, Republican or Libertarian.

So please Jesse, I'm really not the caricature of the knee-jerk, unreasoning Democrat-hater that you think I am.

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I'm fairly certain MLK never lived up to Coretta [Wink]
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I know his daughter is a homophobe, so yeah, that is disappointing. [Smile]
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It's his job to be there. He could have also demurred. After all, he's declined to meet with the leading associations of living black persons, he could just as well snub the funeral of a dead one [Smile]
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Bush did what he had to do. He absolutely couldn't snub this event. No one forced him to speak, but it was his only real choice - how do you attend and not speak when you are the sitting President?

His political opponents knew the bind he was in and they took advantage - apparently with the blessing, or at least the tacit approval, of the King family.

So the circus came to town. I hope everyone enjoyed the show and got their souveneirs.

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A funeral is both a somber event, and a celebration of the deceased's life. You can't celebrate Mrs. King's life without pointing out how the world does not match her vision. To do so would be to cover up her life, to hide it, to deny what her life was about.
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I find it amazing that you can propose to speak on behalf of the King family in regards to their memorial preferences. A funeral is whatever the family chooses to make it. No one is arguing their privilege to do what they like at the funeral - just as we all have the right to, say, implement our own home decor. But if you hang a velvet Elvis over the mantle, someone's going to call you tacky.

And someone just might be right.

[ February 08, 2006, 08:07 AM: Message edited by: Digger ]

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Better a velvet Elvis than dumbo the clown, but they invited him anyhow [Big Grin]
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I am already on record that funerals and protests don't mix. They seem to have done everything but invite Kanye West. It cheapens the memory of an important woman to have her life overshadowed by politics that have nothing to do with her causes.

Bush can take it, I don't feel bad for him, but maybe somebody can tell me what a reference to WMD had to do with King. And whether divisiveness best honors the memory of what the Kings fought for.

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Y'know what disappoints me the most about the stunts at Mrs. King's funeral?

They were, simply, rude.

Mrs. King, from all accounts, was firm but not rude. When did taking a potshot at the president trump even common courtesy?

Talking about Mrs. King's politics would have been appropriate. Snide comments about current policies were not - especially when they were directed at a guest in the audience.

This is why most politicians and activists disgust me. They are so disrespectful, so rude, that it isn't even funny. And, quite frankly, I expected better from a former president and a preacher.

[ February 08, 2006, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: Lady Starkiller ]

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Agreed that attacking Bush's decision while he was there, was in poor taste. However, he's a big boy, and can take it. By now, I think we all know that he doesn't make decisions based upon popular opinion.

Don't blame Laura for giving the evil eye though...I would too, if my husband was being attacked in public.

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lol - like I said, I have never seen such an unpleasent look before on the First Ladies face.
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It was like animals fighting over a dead body. Actually, now that I see it that way, it was thoroughly appropriate [Big Grin] .

In retrospect, a state funeral was inappropriate. Why am I paying a man at war to go to any funeral at all? I thought we had Congressional chaplains to do that.

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FIJC,

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By now, I think we all know that he doesn't make decisions based upon popular opinion.
It is probably more accurate to say that he doesn't base all decisions soley upon popular opinion, which is true of pretty much all Presidents. Also what do you constitute as 'popular opinion'. I think he likely bases a number of decisions based upon the popular opinion of particular groups within the population.

LetterRip

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I imagine her high school boyfriend got to see that look - you know, when she rammed him to death with her car.
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Clever, but IMHO, entirely inappropriate for a funeral.

Yeah. Probably should have been said at the FIRST one. You know, for the guy who got shot for political agitation.

I have heard one funeral, a mass grave involving some 3,000 innocent USA citizens, used rhetorically by our current president again and again and again in a manner to which a great many survivors of those dead take great offense.

Maybe Laura was just having a bad hemorrhoid day?

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Daruma loves me. In a macho guy way of course.
You mean like them Montana sheepherder movie stars what become so famous for showing how macho guys love one another?

Yeah, I heard that first love scene started out kinda brutal.

Take it ba-ah-ah-ack!

It's OK, daruma and KE. You know we love you in a macho kind of way too. (When WILL they make an emoticon glyph for 'swishy wink/lewd smile'? It would go so nice with my pink satin short-shorts...)

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What Ricky?

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See? You didn't know about it, and you're from Texas.

When she was 17, she killed her highschool sweetheart by running a stop sign and broadsiding his car with hers at full speed. Her daddy was Sherrif, the case got hushed, and nobody says a damn thing about it. Now just imagine that Hilly-Bob had a skeleton like that in her closet. You'd never hear the end of it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

This link goves her every possible benefit of the doubt, but the fact remains that she wasn't prosecuted at all, and that despite snopes saying that "she has often been asked", I've NEVER heard this mentioned in the (oh-so-liberal) MSM.

Yo, Kenmeer! Too long, bro. Stay a while [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by RickyB:
See? You didn't know about it, and you're from Texas.

When she was 17, she killed her highschool sweetheart by running a stop sign and broadsiding his car with hers at full speed. Her daddy was Sherrif, the case got hushed, and nobody says a damn thing about it. Now just imagine that Hilly-Bob had a skeleton like that in her closet. You'd never hear the end of it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

This link goves her every possible benefit of the doubt, but the fact remains that she wasn't prosecuted at all, and that despite snopes saying that "she has often been asked", I've NEVER heard this mentioned in the (oh-so-liberal) MSM.

Yo, Kenmeer! Too long, bro. Stay a while [Smile]

If found this skeleton of Vince Foster in Hilly-Bobs closet.
I figured I keep with the seriousness of your post Ricky.

Keep in mind. People also didn't get jailed for drunk driving back then. But then again I doubt you are looking to be objective here.

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sruffleman, the difference is that if you check snopes for the hillary-vince foster story, you'll find a thorough dismantling of the story, based on three different investigations, the last of which was conducted by a famous Clinton lover named Kenneth Starr. In contrast,the status of the basic facts of the Laura story is simply "true". So don't compare the two.

As for not having prosecuted drunk driving back then - did they prosecute running stop signs which resulted in death and injury? Hmmmm?

No objective review of the simple, verified facts of the story (Laura ran a stop sign and broadsided a car, driven by a guy she may [probably did] have a relationship with. The guy died. Laura wasn't prosecuted) can conclude anything other than some sort of favoritism was shown in the non-prosecution of this.

It's not that she was tried and let off with a slap on the wrist. She wasn't tried, she wasn't charged, she wasn't punished in any sort of way by the authorities. I see no indication this was so much as reflected on her driving license.

So don't tell me I'm not looking to be objective here, when I say that it's absolutely breathtaking that this hasn't become at all well known, whereas EVERYONE who follows politics in the least bit knows about the claim that Hilly-Bob killed po' ole Vince.

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This link goves her every possible benefit of the doubt, but the fact remains that she wasn't prosecuted at all, and that despite snopes saying that "she has often been asked", I've NEVER heard this mentioned in the (oh-so-liberal) MSM.

Yo, Kenmeer! Too long, bro. Stay a while

Oh Ricky B, I would, but

a) it only gets my bile up

and

b) wastes my words, which are all I have by which to learn to make some new kind of living to replace the old kind that I'm no longer capable of performing.

But muchos gratitas for the Laura B. story. Hadn't hard it or else I'd forgotten it. It so nicely pops the bubble of illusion that reflects an over-sized image of her as such a nice, nice lady who, sadly, unfortunately, married such a dog-dipped doo-doo snowcone of a man.

Which is to say that she is at least as much of a bitch as Hillary (and that's saying a LOT, I know [Wink] )

I only succumbed to the temptation to revisit because flydye was making such an enormous ass of flydye-self about the hole (sic) NSA thing, and, well:

"I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung"


I just got sprung. I figured he shoudn't be allowed to get away with it, like Laura did, without so much as even a little bitch-slap.

Live long and prosper.

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Initial it with loving care."


Oh, the things I've heard all good people say on this forum... oh, Yes.

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[Roll Eyes]

My wife came from a small town where a group of guys (teens) broke some traffic law and one of them died. I don't believe they were given any ticket. They were sent to their parents. The kids were emotional wrecks. While the parents probably at some point talked to them about their driving they were also probably mostly just loved.

Was this some sort of favoritism? Probably just a cop realizing this was obviously just a tragic accident and focused on getting the kids to the hospital to make sure they were okay and then not following up with a ticket to the kid who was near-suicidal for what he'd done.

My guess is a similar situation happened with Laura. If Laura's dad was the police chief, then the cop in question might have even known Laura. So he may have been emotionally connected and was looking out for her. But in a small town that could easily have been someone the cop knew anyway. Often the cops in small towns are more interested in doing good than enforcing the law. What happened was obvious to him and not worth some full-blown investigation that would only hurt people all the more. Perhaps the parents of the boyfriend were asked if they wanted to press charges and they declined.

You think that because a political person's death was investigated while a 17 year old who obviously made a horrible mistake wasn't is proof of something fishy going on?

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Does anyone else think that sounded completely off the wall?
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