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RickyB
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Next weekly press conference, simple question:

"Mr. Snow, how's Harry Wittington doing?"

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He's busy representing Mark Foley, who shot himself in the foot, or Dennis Hastert, who should have shot Foley when he was flushed out of his dark hole last spring. In any case, they're *all* running around with shotguns now, shooting anybody who's not with 'em. I'd hate to be a Gopper now...
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kenmeer livermaile
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I notice that in recent TV appearances, Bill Frist has this uniquely strained expression, like someone who mixed things up an applied Listerine to his hemorrhoids and used Preparation H for mouthwash...

It seems emblematic.

[ October 01, 2006, 12:07 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]

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At a friend's wedding last night, I found myself dining at a table with one of the DNC's top campaign (not policy) strategists. He made the observation that the "game" is theirs to lose, and that right now the only way they might lose it -- according to their polling -- is to put up someone divisive as a candidate. So the primaries are scaring him to death, since Clinton might do very well in the primaries and is the definition of divisive. (He's rather grumpy about primary voters in general; he went off about the Lieberman thing for nearly ten minutes.)
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kenmeer livermaile
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As far as '08 goes, I think it's a dark horse race. McCain is losing credibility by the hour with independents like me, and Hillary is just John Kerry in a dress:

Suicide Choice

or Monica in drag?:

A Uniter

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The problem is, Kerry won the Democratic primary, too.

The primary system is not necessarily designed to select the best -- or even the most "electable" -- candidate from the field.

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fock lieberman. I've done politics so I understand where the guy's coming from. But in the end, there's a limit to how much you can side with the other guys and still be called a Democrat. This ain't Nebraska, where the @#$% Ben Nelson really is as progressive as can be elected in the state. This is Connecticut, and there's absolutely no reason for someone who not only votes with the Bushies, but excoriates other Dems for doing otherwise, to receive the Dem vote.
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I'm no knee-jerk Lieberman apologist, but there is something to be said for someone who honestly tries to work with the other side to make real progress.

I don't like all his votes, or his comments, but to send someone who will blather a left-of-Democratic-mainstream line will accomplish nothing, except stir up right-of-Republican-mainstream blatherers.

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I'm still convinced that what killed him was his snotty and indignant attitude about having to campaign for "his" seat.

He came off like a spoiled child, and a wanna-be patrician. He was still polling a couple points ahead among likely Democratic voters when he floated the "independant" idea and threw the race away.

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It hasn't killed him yet (Fox):
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[Headline, 9/28/06] Poll: Lieberman Leads Lamont by 10 Points in Connecticut U.S. Senate Race

Democrat Ned Lamont continues to struggle to find support among Republican and unaffiliated voters in his attempt to defeat three-term incumbent Sen. Joe Lieberman in November's election, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday.

Lieberman maintains a 10-point advantage among likely voters in the poll, leading Lamont 49 percent to 39 percent in a three-way race. Republican Alan Schlesinger trails with 5 percent.


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So, what happens if he wins?
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Dems lose a seat and, every now and then, a party-line vote. From a purely strategic POV, Lieberman's primary loss was a bad thing for the Democrats.
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RickyB
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velcro, what kind of real progress, though?

TD - true.

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Hillary has more balls than Kerry, Ken.

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"Hillary has more balls than Kerry, Ken."

Hers and a spare set in her husband's scrotum, wehch she keeps locked up in a safe.

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Jesse
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All depends on how you define "likely voter".

In a race like this, it's anyones ball game depending on how people are feeling about their party.

Lieberman may win or lose, but the Democrats won't take the Senate regardless. Well, unless it turns out Bush was writing dirty e-mails, in which case they'll win so heavily Lieberman won't matter.

We'll see how much stumping he gets from Republicans six years from now, but then maybe he was ready to retire anyway.

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Well, no real progress yet. But the only hope is to have centrists win seats instead of extremists. While I don't agree with a lot of what Republicans want to do, and I would prefer a left-centrist over a right-centrist, I would rather have a right-centrist than a left-extremist.
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Jesse
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Me, I'd rather have someone who respects both their office and the public trust, and operates on their best judgement rather than trying to fit some "package" of Leftist, Rightist, or Centrist expectations.

Also...I would really like a pet dragon.

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Cute when they're young, but I'm not sure which one is more dangerous as an adult.
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Tony: "Naughty Emails." Nuff said?

Even Bill O is calling for this guy and anybody who knew and covered it up to be gone immediately.

Of course Ann Coulter is blaming it on the Democrats. I **** you not.

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Just make sure you keep plenty of food for it on hand Jesse because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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How'd you know?
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That whole meddling in the affairs of dragons thing. Learned quite a bit [Big Grin]
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