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Colin JM0397
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This is interesting... and kinda funny.

High-Calorie Diet Fattens Gitmo Inmates
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A high-calorie diet combined with life in the cell block - almost around the clock in some cases - is making detainees at Guantanamo Bay fat.

Meals totaling a whopping 4,200 calories per day are brought to their cells, well above the 2,000 to 3,000 calories recommended for weight maintenance by U.S. government dietary guidelines. And some inmates are eating everything on the menu.

One detainee has almost doubled in weight, to 410 pounds, said Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand, spokesman for the detention facilities at Guantanamo, a U.S. Navy station in southeast Cuba.

I can see the news headlines a few years from now "Terrorist tries to hijack plane, but dies of heart attack when sprinting for the cockpit."

[ October 04, 2006, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: jm0397 ]

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javelin
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Talk about torture.
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Those cannibalistic prison guards are going to be the downfall of republicans in '08.
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Adam Masterman
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jav,

24 hour detention without any form of exercise? How long do you think you would last? Maybe life in Gitmo isn't so rosy.

Adam

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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Masterman:
jav,

24 hour detention without any form of exercise? How long do you think you would last? Maybe life in Gitmo isn't so rosy.

Adam

Where'd that come from?
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kenmeer livermaile
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Same place as 'Talk about torture', I reckon.
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quote:
Originally posted by kenmeer livermaile:
Same place as 'Talk about torture', I reckon.

That honestly makes no sense to me.
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"Talk about torture" - was that meant to be ironic, meaning you were downplaying the conditions the prisoners are being held under, or were you sincerely pointing out that being kept in a prison cell 'almost around the clock' with little or no access to excercise is, if not torture, at least unacceptable treatment?
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I read it as sincere. Adam read it as sarcasm. Without a human voice or an emoticon, it's tough to tell.
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javelin
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Thanks, cperry. Unfortunately, I did mean it a bit sarcastically. I was recalling a conversation we had where we were defining torture. I don't consider being over fed as being torture. Unsurprisingly, some here may. I don't think it's a GOOD thing, however.

That's all I commented on. Maybe that wasn't clear? Maybe I should have said "Well, overfeeding prisoners doesn't seem like torture." I certainly wasn't intending to comment on anything besides the quoted text.

If Adam felt I was commenting on something else, like not being allowed exercise outside of the cell or something - I'm afraid he's wrong. Maybe that's a valid viewpoint of what I said - I don't know. I think it's a bit of a stretch of an assumption, but whatever.

I also don't, in general, feel it's torture to keep someone locked in a cell without allowing them to leave and exercise - though it'd suck, and there are specific cases, for specific people, where it certainly would be. As a matter of fact, for me personally, it would be, due to a physciological problem I have with being confined. Then again, since it makes me blank out, maybe it wouldn't be torture.

[ October 04, 2006, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: javelin ]

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kenmeer livermaile
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INteresting that the past few years have witnessed increasing numbers of dialogues (groupalogueas) like this, where what is or isn't torture is disucussed so often precisely because it is no longer merely hypothetical but something happening with the imprint of our plebiscite upon it.

Now that election season is in full swing, we can ponder the graded shades of an various distinctions between:

mere exaggeration and outright lying

mere meanness and outright cruelty

mere appeal to a perceived norm and ouright pandering to the simplest and crudest emotional states

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They're not force-feeding them. They're trying to avoid accusations of malnutrition by offering them everything on the menu.

...let the prisoners decide if they want to eat more/less.

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Jav,

I was snappy and I apologize. I am personally appalled at the recent habeas corpus waiver our legislature has produced, and in general with people's apologism towards inhumane treatment of detainees. So while I stand by the intent of my response, I regret its overly confrontational presentation. [Smile]

Adam

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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Masterman:
Jav,

I was snappy and I apologize. I am personally appalled at the recent habeas corpus waiver our legislature has produced, and in general with people's apologism towards inhumane treatment of detainees. So while I stand by the intent of my response, I regret its overly confrontational presentation. [Smile]

Adam

I really appreciate that, Adam. I really was confused. I hope I've clarified myself.
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Jesse
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Bigger terrorist...more folds to hide stuff in.

I'm glad I'm not the guy who has to search the 410 pounder.

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I find your your blatantly massist comment offensive. [Wink]
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Y'know, there's only one problem with this cunning plan to make terrorists so fat they can't run their backpack bomb past a roadblock without being gunned down. Are there even any bona fide terrorists in Gitmo in the first place?

I mean if the records of releases and "trials" (by which I mean delayed trial dates, changed charges, an no guilty verdicts whatsoever) is anything to go by, it's starting to look like Gitmo is home to nobody but a few hundred randomly selected portly arabs.

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Colin JM0397
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They might have not been at first. I suspect after 5 years of confinement, they are now, but for more reasons than just being royally po'ed at us, of course.
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kenmeer livermaile
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Gitmo is gonna haunt us for a long time.
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The title of this thread reminded me of this scene from Julius Caesar. As I read the rest, I was reminded how much Shakespeare knew about the human condition.

CAESAR
Let me have men about me that are fat;
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look;
He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.

ANTONY
Fear him not, Caesar; he's not dangerous;
He is a noble Roman and well given.

CAESAR
Would he were fatter! But I fear him not:
Yet if my name were liable to fear,
I do not know the man I should avoid
So soon as that spare Cassius. He reads much;
He is a great observer and he looks
Quite through the deeds of men: he loves no plays,
sees the hidden motives of men's deeds
As thou dost, Antony; he hears no music;
Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort
As if he mock'd himself and scorn'd his spirit
That could be moved to smile at any thing.
Such men as he be never at heart's ease
Whiles they behold a greater than themselves,
And therefore are they very dangerous.

[ October 05, 2006, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: cperry ]

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And I'm not making a rude comment about people's weight. This is all about temperament.
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Colin JM0397
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Forsooth.
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kenmeer livermaile
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" Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort
As if he mock'd himself and scorn'd his spirit
That could be moved to smile at any thing."

I fear that one side of my smile is that described above. However, part of the self-and-world mockery in that smile is a twist imparted from the other side of my smile, which iconveys wry, gentle, sad, forgiving amusement at the frailties that are us.

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