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kenmeer livermaile
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a few afghans released from gitmo aka 'git-no': i betcha they gonna git sum now [Wink]

Surely liberal interests are behind this suspiciously timed 'prisoner leask'? [Wink]

Any more, y'all?

It's part of a new game in response to the traditional game of 'blame the blamers' that accompanies any release of informtion damaging to the prevaiing political status quo dominance.

it's called 'game the blame'.

shirley shirley bo birley
banana-fanna mo murley...

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brits decry gitmo

"I think we should dismiss the false paradigm that counter-terrorism work and human rights are some sort of zero-sum game; that you can't at the same time be effective in pursuit of counter-terrorism and also be sincere about your support for human rights," she said.

"Effective human rights means effective counter-terrorism."


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The US ambassador to Britain, Robert H. Tuttle, said last month he was "disappointed" after Lord Chancellor Charles Falconer, Britain's de facto justice minister and a close ally of Blair's, called Guantanamo a "shocking affront to the principles of democracy."

gtta be liberals/dems. i mean, hey -- would a rep/con say such a thing as "Effective human rights means effective counter-terrorism'

liber uber alles, i tell you. it's a goose-stepping parade of civil liberties on the rise. durn liburals...

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diploma mill-child porn ring nets federal employees

liburalles? well, it's from spokane, and i been called a liburali, even to my own face in the mirror now and then.

coincidence? or liburl campaign strategy?

Ken Meer(t) will keep you informed.

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"Nothing at all like O'Reilly, but almost as bad." Jon Stuart

"His bark is worse than his bite, but stay out of foam-spray reach. The man's contagious." Bill Mahar

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"Depressingly predictable." jasonr

[ October 12, 2006, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]

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Is it self-love day?

Excuse me for a few... [Cool]

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love thyself as thou would thy lord god almighty...
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"Ken Meer broadcasts on frequencies not approved for civilian use" Michael Powell
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quote:
"I think we should dismiss the false paradigm that counter-terrorism work and human rights are some sort of zero-sum game; that you can't at the same time be effective in pursuit of counter-terrorism and also be sincere about your support for human rights," she said.


I don't mean to suggest that there's some kind of one to one correlation, as if the effectiveness of counter terrorism is directly proportional to how many people you torture, or how many rights you violate. But clearly, the more complicated and the more restrictive the law is vis a vis what you can do to track/monitor/apprehend terrorists is, the more difficult it is to stop them. Human rights mean red tape and restriction, and that means less effective counter-terrorism.

quote:
"Effective human rights means effective counter-terrorism"
What is this assertion even based on? Sounds like fuzzy minded wishful thinking.
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I blame Canada.
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quote:
Originally posted by jasonr:
quote:
"I think we should dismiss the false paradigm that counter-terrorism work and human rights are some sort of zero-sum game; that you can't at the same time be effective in pursuit of counter-terrorism and also be sincere about your support for human rights," she said.


I don't mean to suggest that there's some kind of one to one correlation, as if the effectiveness of counter terrorism is directly proportional to how many people you torture, or how many rights you violate. But clearly, the more complicated and the more restrictive the law is vis a vis what you can do to track/monitor/apprehend terrorists is, the more difficult it is to stop them. Human rights mean red tape and restriction, and that means less effective counter-terrorism.

quote:
"Effective human rights means effective counter-terrorism"
What is this assertion even based on? Sounds like fuzzy minded wishful thinking.

Type "hearts and minds," "wahhabist school system in Saudi Arabia," "Public relations war," or "soft power" into google and you will see why one unit of positive image is worth two tanks.

[ October 12, 2006, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Liberal ]

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flydye: no.
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kenmeer livermaile
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This just in from the Ken Meer(t) Retort:

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Ohio Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), the first U.S. lawmaker convicted in the case, stood before the judge during a court hearing and said, "I plead guilty your honor."

Ney, who abandoned his race for re-election in August as the U.S. Justice Department investigation intensified into his links to the convicted lobbyist Abramoff, will resign from Congress in the next few weeks, his lawyer told the judge.


Durn liberal court system. Couldn't wait until fter the election to convict the fella.

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kenmeer livermaile
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OK. O'Reilly whined so much I had to include his opine:

"Ken Meer(t)? More like Ken Sneeer. Arrogant, ignorant, deluded: the man spins like a top, wobbles like a drunk, and whips his---" Bill O'Reilly, cut-off by our in-house no-spin-zone censor

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Veteran war correspondent Terry Lloyd, 50, who worked for British television company ITN, was killed in March 2003 in southern Iraq as he reported from the front line during the first few days of the U.S.-led invasion.

"He was fired on by American soldiers as a minibus carried wounded people away," Coroner Andrew Walker said at the conclusion of the inquest, which U.S. soldiers declined to attend.

"I have no doubt it was an unlawful act of fire on the minibus," Walker added.

He said he intended to write to the Attorney General -- the government's top lawyer -- and the Director of Public Prosecutions in an effort to bring those responsible for Lloyd's death before a British court.

Louis Charalambous, the Lloyd family's lawyer, said those responsible for his death should be brought to trial for what he termed "a very serious war crime."

"It was a despicable, deliberate, vengeful act," he added.

He said the unlawful killing verdict had been "inescapable" and had come about because "U.S. forces appear to have allowed their soldiers to behave like trigger-happy cowboys."


I dunno, maybe this one is a liburl thing.

Since the start of the Iraq war in March 2003, 118 journalists and media assistants have been killed, according to Paris-based media advocacy group Reporters sans Frontieres.

Fifty-one have been abducted, of which five are currently being held hostage.


This reminds me, vis a vis the body count aspect: this war has become among the most dangerous-to-report wars ever.

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Chief of the General Staff Richard Dannatt told the Daily Mail newspaper that post-war planning for the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was "poor" and the presence of troops there was hurting British security globally.

The remarks, extraordinary from such a senior serving officer, could have political fallout on both sides of the Atlantic. The war has damaged the standing of British Prime Minister
Tony Blair and is a major issue for U.S.
President George W. Bush's allies in congressional elections next month.


You know how liburl them senior army chiefs are.

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Sir Richard did a backwalky on this, but he did get his point across. The British have to get out of Iraq. Guess who else has to get out of Iraq [Embarrassed] !
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