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The Drake
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"A new law in France makes it a crime -- punishable by up to five years in prison -- for anyone who is not a professional journalist to film real-world violence and distribute the images on the Internet."

- CNN

"The bill creates several new offences, including "passive soliciting", "illegal group occupation of property" and "exploitation of begging".

It also increases police powers to search vehicles, frisk individuals and hold suspects' records, including DNA samples."

-BBC NEWS

I'm having a hard time finding a French or English source that gives details on the law, any help would be appreciated.

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kenmeer livermaile
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France has been the vanguard for a few centuries. Behold the technocratic future.
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What if the violence is police brutality?
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That's part of the argument, Omega. In defense, a government spokesman indicated that judges will know the difference between good intentions and bad intentions.
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quote:
Originally posted by kenmeer livermaile:
France has been the vanguard for a few centuries. Behold the technocratic future.

You mean "Back" to the technocratic future.

More specifically, I'm thinking of the year 1984...

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Let them eat a flourless chocolate torte with rasperry puree.
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kenmeer livermaile
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Funny to recall the origination of the term Technocracy. If I recall correctly, the original Tehnocratic movement arose around the same time that Fascism waxed strong (20s/30s).

I like the original technocrats. I unfairly impugn them when I compare them to France's situations or, for that matter, America's plutocratic/welfare state casserole.
Tehcnocratic movement

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This law is supposed to stop 'happy slapping', something which is all too common here in the UK. Basicly happy-slappers are usually teenagers who assault someone else (often at school but sometimes random strangers in the street) whilst a friend with a videophone films it. Later it is posted on a site like YouTube, or sent between phones for their friends to laugh and gawp at.

Now clearly these kids aren't very bright as there have been a number of cases where the police have gone straight to the perpetrators houses and arrested them. This should be obvious as there is usually a traceable phone number and those committing the assault show their faces (no point otherwise or anyone could claim the kudos).

The French law would seem superfluous since the crime is patently self-exposing. I'm waiting for dumb videos called 'me robbing the bank and where I live' next [Roll Eyes]

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kenmeer livermaile
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It would seem, then, that this law is not so much a matter of 'police-state totalitarianism' as 'welfare-state legal preventionism'. A way of discouraging a trend that, left to itself, might produce an accidental snuff-flick.

You know, modern law since the Magna Carta has been about protecting us from kings and such. Now that democracy wields increasing power over our lives, the kings the law attempts to protect us from are becoming our own silly selves.

Wait until the first case of someone sueing himself arises. Or has it already?

[ March 09, 2007, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]

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Sounds like a Phillip Dick short story.

Shortly after severing my corpus callosum, left brain, who now insists on being called Samantha, is suing right brain, me (Brian), for gender persecution.

That bitch.

I heard that, I'm throwing in mental cruelty to the suit, too!

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A possibility also in Douglas Adams' "Salmon of Doubt". There seems to be two Dirk Gentlys so he could possibly have sued himself. Its just too bad that we'll never know. *sigh*
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The Drake
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Isn't the assault enough of a crime? Why make the distribution of evidence illegal?

I'm still hoping to find out the details on expanded search and other parts of the law.

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quote:
You know, modern law since the Magna Carta has been about protecting us from kings and such. Now that democracy wields increasing power over our lives, the kings the law attempts to protect us from are becoming our own silly selves.
That's a great line.
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kenmeer livermaile
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"I heard that, I'm throwing in mental cruelty to the suit, too!"

Yeah, and I want one-half of your half of our brain back!

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""I heard that, I'm throwing in mental cruelty to the suit, too!"

Yeah, and I want one-half of your half of our brain back!"

Only if I get one-half of your half of our brain!

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Is one-half of nothing more or less than nothing?
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I think the law is aimed at Fox news.
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"flourless chocolate torte"

At the bakery I work at, we call these 'Death By Chocolate's'

Whenever a customer asks what a Death By Chocolate is, I tell them it's like death by firing squad, but more delicious.

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oh, you cad.
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