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Pete at Home
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I just discovered another another innovative lefist use of the word "equality." Apparently some folks are upset that kindergardeners and pre-schoolers aren't kept all day in school like the older kids. Apparently this is a matter of "all children being equal." [Exploding]

Gee, so much for trying to adapt a system to the child's needs.

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Americans, in general, have a tremendous amount of difficulty in matters of degrees and proportions. Time and again, good and wise principles are stretched way beyond anything remotely resembling simple sense. Vot to do...
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Yep Pete the left tends to go for Egalite to the exclusion of Liberte and Fraternite. As you progress through socialism into communism equality becomes more and more like a kind of special sauce to be poured onto all foods. The end result can be sickening...
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"I just discovered another another innovative lefist use of the word "equality." Apparently some folks are upset that kindergardeners and pre-schoolers aren't kept all day in school like the older kids. Apparently this is a matter of "all children being equal.""

Hrm. Was this one person? A group? Which group? What was the context? How do we know they are leftist?

Given your track record, I suspect one of two things:

This is an isolated phenomenon you are trying to pin on a whole group, or there's much more to the story.

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I would also be interested in hearing the specifics here. My district went to all-day Kindergarten a few years ago. It didn't have anything to do with equality.

Adam

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The Pixiest
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There's a leftist in Sacramento who wants to ban spanking for children 3 and under. She refers to it as "beating" because she doesn't understand the fundemental difference between a spanking and a beating.

Yet, I don't assign her nutty position to all leftists. Just her and those who vote for her new law to insert big government into our lives.

Course, I'm sure Pete thinks I'm a leftist...

[ January 23, 2007, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: The Pixiest ]

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When I was a kid my parents called it "beating." My mom would tell my dad, "Go in and beat the kids."

They made us turn around, bend over, and grab our ankles, and they'd hit us about three times with a belt. In reality, there was minimal physical pain, the main deterrent effect was psychological. See, we never just took the hits, my dad didn't just hit us, he'd wait, and we'd be waiting for the hit to come, and finally stand up and cover our behinds with our hands, whereupon he would say "Turn around! Grab your ankles!" and the whole thing would start again.

If we'd been smart it would have been over in a minute, but we dragged it out... which was his plan. Result: we barely got hit but were well punished.

My only regret is that my parents didn't discipline us as often as they should have. We got away with a lot they never found out about.

Me, I fully expect to beat my kids if they need it, and if it's illegal, it's illegal, it sure won't stop me. I also doubt they will need much physical punishment at all though. I know several families that can make their children contrite with just a word or two.

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quote:
She refers to it as "beating" because she doesn't understand the fundemental difference between a spanking and a beating.
I'm not sure there is a "fundemantal" difference, although I get what you are trying to say. But I'd call it more a difference of degree. It is hardly inaccurate to call a spanking a beating, although it may be construed as misleading.
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In my experience (six kids, ages 0 - 13), spanking can be useful on very rare occasions and it is usually precipitated by an earlier failure to properly discipline the child. In other words, most of the occasions where I've felt compelled to spank a child (clothed bottom, one swat), it's been because of a situation I could have prevented in the first place.
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Speaking from experience the threat of spanking is more useful than spanking itself. Of course eventually you have to spank, but as long as you don't do it out of anger and don't injure the child I see nothing wrong with it. However, making your children love you so much that they hate to disappoint you works infinitely better and A) doesn't teach the child that might makes right, and B) still works when they get too big to spank.

The law in California only makes sense because some people are too stupid to be parents and take out their anger on infants. There should be a test before you are allowed to be a parent.

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Pete at Home
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There's a special kind of nuttiness that comes from the American left, and a special kind of nuttiness that comes from the American right. Using appeals to "equality", ignoring the functions and the actual needs involved, is the lefto kind of nuttiness, in my experience. That, and the remark came from local reaction against the Republican governor's decision to not extend into all-day kindergarden.

Frankly I think that our state shafts education, and there are plenty of intelligent criticisms that the Democrats did, and could have but failed to make of this year's budget. But pitching extended kindgergarden as an "equality" appeal fits right into some of the other nutty equality arguments that I've been hearing lately. A psychotic and misanthropic need for perfect symmetry. At the rate we're going, we'll end up cancelling music classes because they make the deaf unequal. There, I'm sad to say that the Nevada Republicans will probably play along since they seem to look for any excuse to slash budgets on the backs of kids and the poor.

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I don't know enough about you to consider you a leftist, Pixiest. IIRC your argument for SSM did *not* consist of bleating the word "equality" over and over again as if it was relevant, so I'm not sure how you're taking what I said here as aimed at you. You came to the SSM loaded with preconceptions and took your sweet time to realize that I wasn't making the stereotyped argument that you expected, but that doesn't make you a leftist. And I've known others on this forum and off that took much longer to get it.
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