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hobsen
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Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan of New York wrote a opinion piece on that subject for FOXNews which I found amusing.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/30/foul-ball-anti-catholicism-nations-pastime/

Taking his examples in order:

1) Possibly giving a pass to Orthodox Jews does not constitute discrimination against Roman Catholics.

2) Sexual abuse of children in public schools is a subject hard to discuss because public schools differ so greatly. But maybe Cathlolic institutions are almost as diverse, so Dolan may have a point.

3) A Franciscan priest who father a child makes news because priests take vows of celibacy. Most other clergymen do not, so their sexual transgressions draw less attention. Just the same, Dolan seems right the attention given was disproportionate. On the other hand, sex sells - so I am not sure anti-Catholicism was the reason for the publicity.

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As Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Vatican's chief ecumenist, observed, "We are not fishing in the Anglican pond." Not enough for the Times; for them, this was another case of the conniving Vatican luring and bidding unsuspecting, good people, greedily capitalizing on the current internal tensions in Anglicanism.
I have no idea where the truth lies in these competing claims. Anglicans consider themselves similar to the Orthodox, and Roman Catholicism has approved rites for persons formerly of those faiths, so adding an Anglican rite does not seem greatly different. But so far as I know the Orthodox churches dislike that practice about as much as do Anglicans.

5) So far as I can see, Maureen Dowd and Patrick Kennedy speak mostly for themselves, which means they are free to write that the Roman Catholic Church is a threat to the United States and a blight upon the universe. Dowd does not speak for the New York Times, nor Kennedy for Congress.

6) Freedom of religion does not include any right to establish a private school system in opposition to the public one intended to make children into good citizens of a state. In practice private and religious schools are usually permitted - as well as homeschooling - but any state probably has an interest in discouraging such alternate forms of education, since they could foster dissension among the people of the state. But in practice they usually don't - some studies have had trouble documenting any effects from them at all - so the New York Legislature can and will do as it pleases.

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quote:
Originally posted by hobsen:


6) Freedom of religion does not include any right to establish a private school system in opposition to the public one intended to make children into good citizens of a state. In practice private and religious schools are usually permitted - as well as homeschooling - but any state probably has an interest in discouraging such alternate forms of education, since they could foster dissension among the people of the state. But in practice they usually don't - some studies have had trouble documenting any effects from them at all - so the New York Legislature can and will do as it pleases.

Have to take exception to this Hobsen. It is actually the public schools that have usurped the century old tradition of private or community run schools. The Public School System is only about 80 years old and compulsory education didn't even begin till late 19th century. Before that, about the only education above the elementary level available was private and mostly religious institutions. You make it sound as if private schools are here only by the good graces of the public schools. That is hardly the case.

If the sexual misconduct of authorities within Catholic private schools is used as a tool to close Catholic schools down then this country will be much the worse for it. Despite the obvious impracticality of and lack of adherence to the idea of celibacy (which I believe is at the core of the abuse that occurs in these institutions) Catholic schools have given us some of our greatest minds and offers parents a quality option to public schools.

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The public school system is actually older than this country. It simply wasn't accessed by nearly as many people as it is now, and the access people have is much to everyone's benefit.

Public schooling is not compulsory. Schooling is. Again, this is to everyone's benefit.

I've also found that ignoring 90% of what Hobsen writes makes reading him much more productive becuase most of what he writes is "And here is why it doesn't matter what anyone thinks."

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Schooling is compulsory, backed up by force. Guess who regulates who can and who can't teach, and what they must teach if they qualify as a teacher? the government.
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quote:
Guess who regulates who can and who can't teach,
Not who. What.

Biology.

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TommySama
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Anti-Catholicism is way better than Baseball.

To put this in more perspective: EVERYTHING is better than baseball, which is the un-anesthetized penis skinning of sports.

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But is Anti-Catholicism better than Cricket? The answer to this question may have a big impact on those of us who don't live in the United States.
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quote:
Originally posted by TommySama:
Anti-Catholicism is way better than Baseball.

To put this in more perspective: EVERYTHING is better than baseball, which is the un-anesthetized penis skinning of sports.

Whoa HARSH!!! Did you get snookered by baseball early in life? [Razz]
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