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Pete at Home
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Now the Tea Party is starting to piss me off.
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But certain lefty groups have been doing the same sort of thing for decades -- the right has simply drawn lessons from the far Left.
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As you say, the Democrats and liberals did it to Bush for years, and even they say that Obama has been a big disappointment in large part because he has continued the Bush policies such as denying Constitutional rights, keeping Gitmo open, using renditions to outsource torture, not living up to his promises of transparency and denying more FOIA requests than Bush from what I've heard, etc.

So if Bush could be compared to Hitler, then what about someone who out-Bush's Bush?

But I agree that it's a mistake to do this. It would be something the liberal provocateurs would do to make the tea party look bad, but I'm not saying they did it in this instance. Just that that's how stupid it was to do it. It plays right into the hands of those who would marginalize the tea party as a bunch of redneck hicks without a clue.

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"Radical leaders prey on the fearful & naive."

So what’s the problem?

The Iowa tea party set up a bill board explaining to it members how it’s leaders intend to prey on the fearful and naive. - I find it refreshing that a organization can be so open about how it tends to lead.

I’m sure they will be quite successful in their recruiting of the fearful and naive

[ July 14, 2010, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: rightleft22 ]

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I posted this on the "What Republicans Believe" thread before I discovered that Pete had already started a separate one. I deleted it from there, but I'll repost it here as written anyway since it captures my first impression and reaction...
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So, this is the natural extension of polite chatter about whether Obama is a Socialist or merely driving the country over the cliff with his Democrat programs. It's not meant to incite, only to inform:
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The North Iowa Tea Party began displaying the billboard in downtown Mason City last week. The sign shows large photographs of Obama, Nazi leader Hitler and communist leader Lenin beneath the labels "Democrat Socialism," "National Socialism," and "Marxist Socialism."
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John White, an Iowa coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots, said that he can understand the North Iowa group's perception that Obama is "Hitler-esque," but he thinks the billboard is offensive and unproductive. White said that he planned to discuss the matter with national tea party officials.

The message is over the top and other leaders of the Tea Party have stepped up to condemn it, but this is the power of using flashpowder words to describe someone whose policies you object to. Even the above objection to the content of the billboard confirms that people really do think of Obama in those terms. One can say, "So what if someone like Glenn Beck uses this sort of analogy? He's only one person." But, he's obviously speaking to and for people like these for whom words like "Socialist" serve to fan the flames of their anger, fear and hatred. Our polite debate about it here both masks that deep feeling and helps keep it alive at the same time.

[ July 14, 2010, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: Al Wessex ]

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Pete, I can't say on my own that the March incident actually occurred since I wasn't there (nor were you), but there were multiple eyewitness accounts corroborating the claims and Tea Party officials apologized for the incident. Whether it actually happened or not, there is a huge difference in scale and granularity between an isolated incident like that and general feeling among a political movement that associates Obama with a form of governance that can be linked to Nazism.

==>"So if Bush could be compared to Hitler, then what about someone who out-Bush's Bush?

But I agree that it's a mistake to do this. It would be something the liberal provocateurs would do to make the tea party look bad, but I'm not saying they did it in this instance. Just that that's how stupid it was to do it. It plays right into the hands of those who would marginalize the tea party as a bunch of redneck hicks without a clue. "

Cherry, look closely at your words and see if you understand how this comes across comparable to a non-apology apology.

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On the upside, anyone that doesn't support our president in a time of war in an un-patriotic traitor.
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quote:
Originally posted by Al Wessex:
Whether it actually happened or not, there is a huge difference in scale and granularity between an isolated incident like that and general feeling among a political movement that associates Obama with a form of governance that can be linked to Nazism.

Maybe so. I was not aware that this whole hitler thing was sustained, except with the individual Glen Beck. (I'm looking for a link, but some LDS folks told me in conversation that the LDS church actually came out and warned us about individual church members who are trying to prey on fear ...)

And I agree there is a difference in degree between even a racial supremacist comparison, and an actual hitler comparison. But as for scale generally, one can make up in persistence what one lacks in extremity. For example, the new NAACP blamed Bush for what happened in Jasper, has made sustained and unjustifiable claims of racism against the entire Republican party for many years, and to my knowledge, has never apologized for this hysteria. In fact, pulled out violins when Bush (whom they had just tarred as a racial supremacist) did not show up for one of their meetings which US presidents had previously attended. [DOH]

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quote:
Originally posted by tonylovern:
On the upside, anyone that doesn't support our president in a time of war in an un-patriotic traitor.

No. But whoever makes little or no noise about their opposition in the one country, but then bashes US policy to a sympathetic foreign audience, is gonna have their loyalty questioned. Perhaps unfairly, but definitely not the scale of injustice that you described.
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The good news is that the the NAACP under Mfume represented the mainstream left no more than the Tea Party represents the mainstream right.
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Maybe I should have posted this under Zyne's "Hitler" thread. While I agree with Zyne that some applications of "Godwin's Law" ammount to a type of holocaust denial, it's examples like the Tea Party's sign that give Godwin credibility.
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While the left routinely accuses the right of being fascists and racists, it doesn't excuse the right of the same kind of immature and inflammatory behavior.

This bill board makes a ill-intentioned and wrong comparison. President Obama's policies in no way resemble Hitler's or Stalin's policies.

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> Al Wessex

> Cherry, look closely at your words and see if you understand how this comes across comparable to a non-apology apology.

I can see and understand that especially because I wasn't intending on apologizing. It wasn't me!

I've never felt obliged to burden myself with this sense of collective guilt that so many people carry. Maybe that's why I sleep so well at night.

I'm just saying that it probably wasn't a very smart move.

A better approach may have been something along these lines:

America in a baby carriage.

Attack of the nanny state.

Interestingly, John Stossel was just on talking about all the new laws going into affect that control more and more of our lives.

Arrested for blowing bubbles that land on a cop?

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The only thing that seems to matter here is that the billboard is clearly political speech protected by the First Amendment. Otherwise it makes such outlandish comparisons that it will probably alienate as many potential Tea Party supporters as it attracts, and those attracted will probably be less likely to be registered and to vote. But there are no laws against being politically ineffective and harmful to your own cause.
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i was just throwing out a BS argument. it seemed as good a time as any.
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So what if Glenn Beck incites stupidity fear and hatred????
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quote:
Originally posted by hobsen:
The only thing that seems to matter here is that the billboard is clearly political speech protected by the First Amendment.

Absolutely. And even if it wasn't, it would fall under the rule of Fallwell v. Flynt, where the US Supreme Court found that there was a fundamental constitutional right to "bad taste." (SCOTUS' term, not mine! [Smile]

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Thank God we don't have laws against saying stupid things in public. And lucky for FOX, there are $billions to be made doing that. They have the opportunity to pull together right wing and far right wing pundits to consider the question of whether Obama will inevitably lead the country into a Socialist state modeled after Hitler's Nazism, or if he will instead lead us toward Muslim radicalism. The third option of a purely Democrat Socialism will also be discussed as a wimpy fallback outcome. Stay tuned: We report, we decide.
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It’s the blind shadow projection that troubles me.

Using the very same methods they are accusing their enemies of using and pretening not to notice in an attempt at manipulation or blind to the fact both of which is troubling .

The former is disgusting politics while the latter indicates a lack of conscious awareness most likely leading to reactionary fundamentalism.

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quote:
Originally posted by hobsen:
The only thing that seems to matter here is that the billboard is clearly political speech protected by the First Amendment. Otherwise it makes such outlandish comparisons that it will probably alienate as many potential Tea Party supporters as it attracts, and those attracted will probably be less likely to be registered and to vote. But there are no laws against being politically ineffective and harmful to your own cause.

Actually no, that's right on the money and on message for Tea Party supporters. If the Tea Party movement was a political party in its own right and fielding its own candidates, then billboards like that would be just what they need to motivate the base.

It's only when you remember that the Tea Partiers are actually trying to convince people to vote for the Republican Party that this billboard suddenly becomes a hilariously bad idea [Smile]

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This is Brilliant

In sharp contrast to those Hitler billboards, Biden comes out and says that neither he nor Prez Obama thinks that the Tea Party is racist, and that recent scandals involved a couple extremists that the Tea Party expelled. By repudiating extremist rhetoric, Biden positions himself and Obama as the reasonable ones, and the TP's extremist rhetoric looks all the uglier in comparison.

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Yes, but how often does reasonable rhetoric have an effect these days? One of Obama's biggest problems is his perceived coolness. He's not inciting or even rallying public opinion like the "opposition", so it's no surprise that it's slipping away from him. In trying to be "presidential" his attacks on Republicans are far more tepid than the crap they heap on him every day. One can argue that he hasn't lived up to some of his promises, but he's reached out more than he needed to if he were just trying to ram things down our throats, and he's made progress on difficult issues where he could. Democrats are disappointed for the opposite reason, that he isn't the Anointed One, after all.
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"So what if Glenn Beck incites stupidity fear and hatred????"

Well, then maybe we won;t crucify him after all. Now if he was inciting wisdom and courage and love.... ooo! I hate it when they duz dat!

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"So if Bush could be compared to Hitler, then what about someone who out-Bush's Bush?"

People I know old enough to have lived through ancient times say that Obama's current stance reminds them in some ways of Mussolini.

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What's so sad about this poster and the Tea Party in general is their delusion that Obama is leading us into socialism. If only he were... he's simply furthering the modern day form of fascism coming to be called 'corprotocracy'.

I don't mind them comparing him to Godfrey Daniels playing Moms Mabley if it makes a valid comparison. But calling Obama a socialist gives real socialists a bad name whether you like socialism or hate it. It's like calling Hamlet a 'failed comedy'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Al Wessex:
Yes, but how often does reasonable rhetoric have an effect these days? One of Obama's biggest problems is his perceived coolness. He's not inciting or even rallying public opinion like the "opposition", so it's no surprise that it's slipping away from him. In trying to be "presidential" his attacks on Republicans are far more tepid than the crap they heap on him every day. One can argue that he hasn't lived up to some of his promises, but he's reached out more than he needed to if he were just trying to ram things down our throats, and he's made progress on difficult issues where he could. Democrats are disappointed for the opposite reason, that he isn't the Anointed One, after all.

This is the Tea Party though. The only people apart from Tea Party supporters who take it seriously are a handful of left wing bloggers who are earnestly trying to convince everyone that this sort of crap is what all conservatives secretly believe.

So reasonable rhetoric works pretty well. Ditto for humour, indifference, and not engaging the Tea Party directly. One of the movement's main drawcards is that it paints itself as a bold new gesture of defiance that's got everyone running scared, and it's kind of hard to keep that up if the only comments you're getting from people in authority is some jokes and a few vague comments about how they're sure you're not all as silly as some of the chaps who keep getting in the news.

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quote:
Originally posted by Al Wessex:
Yes, but how often does reasonable rhetoric have an effect these days? One of Obama's biggest problems is his perceived coolness. He's not inciting or even rallying public opinion like the "opposition", so it's no surprise that it's slipping away from him.

Right, but being a raver isn't the solution. It was an astute move by Biden, and as a moderate, I'm impressed.

I agree with you that more vision and hope coming out of the White House would be nice. For all his faults, FDR did come off like a man with a plan. I think that would be an effective template for Obama.

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On Friday I stopped by two people at the side of a busy intersection who had Obama posters with the Hitler mustaches and "Impeach Obama" written underneath. It turned out that they were supporters of Lyndon LaRouche, and that their problem with Obama was that he was too far right-wing and thus "fascist". The couldn't provide any examples of a crime that justified impeachment of Obama.

To me, this was an example of crazies on the left.
The LaRouchites were pushing for full restoration or Glass-Steagal and they were against austerity policies in the face of recession (both of which are positions of the left of Obama). But independent of their positions, they were using the inflammatory images just to attract attention.

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==>"This is the Tea Party though. The only people apart from Tea Party supporters who take it seriously are a handful of left wing bloggers who are earnestly trying to convince everyone that this sort of crap is what all conservatives secretly believe."

Not so. The Tea Party is having a very noticeable impact on Republican races. Think Sharon Angle, Nikki Haley and Paul LePage, among others, and don't forget the Mama Grizzly herself.

Billboard signs like this one make it more difficult for the mainstream party machine to coopt their message, and that's why Dems don't want you to ignore it. OTOH, I'm not so sure the TP wants to get anywhere near Michael Steele, either.

I don't think the TP will bring anyone into the Republican Party or increase their chances in a national election, but they will have a strong impact on local and statewide elections in the upcoming cycle. My guess is that the TP movement will all but disappear before 2012 elections roll around. The reason will be disillusionment in their ranks by the scary elements and average Joe's both, as well as Republican Party frustration with their lack of discipline (meaning they think for themselves). For good or ill, the TP is the mirror image of MoveOn.org.

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OK, I'm going to stick my neck out there further about the TP's role in US politics.

The party that the TP hurts the most will be the Republicans. I have two reasons for thinking this:

1. They are committed to ...well, I'm not sure, but something... That makes them more pure and even less agreeable than the mainstream Conservative bedrock base of the GOP, if that's possible. In other words, why vote for Mitch McConnell-lite when you would rather have Rand Paul-hevvy. Except in Ken-tuckee, stay home instead.

2. Well, would you really want to vote for Sharon Angle? You could have the evil you know in Harry Reid, who as leader of the Senate brings home plenty of bacon, or someone who doesn't want any part of ...whatever it is she doesn't want any part of... Unfortunately for her, whatever that is is government as we know it. You don't agree with Evil 'arry, but you don't want to vote for whatever just to get rid of him, either.

==>It was an astute move by Biden, and as a moderate, I'm impressed."

If there is genius behind Joe Biden's comment this weekend supporting the integrity of the TP, I think it is this. OTOH, Joe says plenty of stupid stuff, too. Either way, both Dems and Libertarians are happy for different reasons to have them stirring the pot. If nothing else, they add flavor to the brew.

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I watched this interview yesterday, Biden's most interesting comments concerned the Democrat's election chances for November.

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"I don't think the [Democratic] losses are going to be bad at all," Biden said. "I think we're going to shock the heck out of everybody.
Biden is confident that the Democrats will keep full control of the legislative branch.
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I first heard about Biden through a headline easily as balanced and fair as his comments: Even Biden Admits Tea Party Not Racist.

Because, of course, being psychic, they knew that he totally wanted to say that they were… [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by JWatts:
I watched this interview yesterday, Biden's most interesting comments concerned the Democrat's election chances for November.

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"I don't think the [Democratic] losses are going to be bad at all," Biden said. "I think we're going to shock the heck out of everybody.
Biden is confident that the Democrats will keep full control of the legislative branch.
That's not saying much though, since there's really only three things politicians ever say about their election chances, and it all depends on what the opinion polls are saying.

If you're well behind you talk about how you're going into the race as the underdog and so you'll be giving it your all. If you're well in front you talk about how now is not the time for complacency and you'll be giving it all. And if the polls are a bit ambiguous you just act quietly confident and pretend you know something that nobody else does.

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quote:
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I first heard about Biden through a headline easily as balanced and fair as his comments: Even Biden Admits Tea Party Not Racist.

Of course the Tea Party itself goes on to show how non-racist it always has been by kicking out a big wig that hasn't actually been spouting racist trash talk all along when he made his not-racism impossible to shrug off.
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Jordan:
I first heard about Biden through a headline easily as balanced and fair as his comments: Even Biden Admits Tea Party Not Racist.

Of course the Tea Party itself goes on to show how non-racist it always has been by kicking out a big wig that hasn't actually been spouting racist trash talk all along when he made his not-racism impossible to shrug off.
That'll learn the Tea Party Express guy to run a faction that's got clout and influence within the movement. Threatening the ambitions of the National Tea Party Federation is racist [Smile]

I mean I'm sure the satire he posted on his blog was hamfisted and cringeworthy in the tradition of naive political satire everywhere, but dollars to donuts says they were already looking for an excuse to throw Mark Williams and the TP Express under a bus.

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quote:
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I mean I'm sure the satire he posted on his blog was hamfisted and cringeworthy in the tradition of naive political satire everywhere, but dollars to donuts says they were already looking for an excuse to throw Mark Williams and the TP Express under a bus.

Not to mention his track record before that point. He definitely did give them the opportunity to make it look like the were shaping up (even as they denied that was what they were doing) without having do a much more extensive shakedown.
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Okay ... you lefties need to start using specific examples when you're making racism claims that aren't phoney, otherwise we won't know when to take you seriously. [Smile]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/20/agriculture.employee.naacp/index.html?hpt=T2

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The conservative media outlets tied the video to the NAACP's recent resolution calling on the Tea Party movement to repudiate racist elements within it that have displayed such items as images of President Obama with a bone through his nose and the White House with a lawn full of watermelons.
yrah, that is racist.

interesting article, too. What's with this new reasonable NAACP?

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http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36745_Mark_Williams-_Its_Impossible_for_Tea_Partiers_to_Be_Racists#rss

Gives a little more of Williams's track record.

LGF is a good source to follow on such matters in general as a conservative voice that's been trying to call out his own side on its excesses for the past year and a half after realizing that it was sliding into the deep end.

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==>"What's with this new reasonable NAACP? "

They're far more often controversial or strident than unreasonable, not surprising for an advocacy group that represents one of the most abused minorities in our nation's history.

Mark Williams back in 2009 said that he has no interest in perpetuating racism, nor does he think it's appropriate to tell people how to think. So, if people come to rallies he organizes and raise banners with pictures of Obama with a bone through his nose, it's not his problem. He contrasts that with "the left" that wants to tell people what to think, i.e. that racism is bad.

This is close to the Libertarian position we discussed on a different thread about a month ago highlighting Rand Paul's view that racism in private business is supported by the Constitution and shouldn't be fought by government. Let the marketplace of commerce (restaurants) and ideas (political parties) decide for themselves how to deal with racism. If the Tea Party wants to include racists in their small tent, the NAACP and the MSM should get off their backs.

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Al, blaming Bush for the death in Jasper was at least as unreasonable as the Tea Party hitler sign.

Refusing to apologize for their role in the Duke Lacrosse false prosecution was unreasonable, not merely "strident." Keeping 82 accusations against the Duke players after they were declared innocent and cleared of all wrongdoing was unreasonable, not merely strident. And obviously, knowing persecution of a group proved innocent by DNA and other evidence is far worse than the Tea Party's bs billboard.

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