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Pete at Home
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http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/19/13365269-missouri-republican-legitimate-rape-rarely-causes-pregnancy?lite
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That's because rape is not sex.
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The guy's clearly confused a stat that shows that it's slightly more likely for a woman to get pregnant from sex if she has an orgasm. And I reckon it's not too much of a stretch to say that orgasm is probably somewhat less likely during rape. But pregnancy *rare*? No. The guy's rivaling Cynthia McKinney for the dumbest thing ever said by a Congress rep.
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Even The NY Daily News has an op-ed blasting both Akin and Ryan saying their anti-abortion positions are too extreme. The unintended consequence for Romney of picking Ryan is that Ryan *does* have a clear legislative history that has started to stick to him like Velcro, and it brings along all the idiots that have shared Ryan's legislative initiatives and positions over the years. To his regret Romney *will* become the right-wing Conservative darling, and it will cost him this election.

The next unintended consequence will be that selecting Ryan may prove to be the GOP's moment when they jumped the shark. You can hear the background chatter about the "war on women" and think it is a roller derby event somewhere nearby, but the election at all national levels (President, Senate, House) is now thrusting ideology into the foreground. In many respects the GOP and DP are strongly similar, but as the GOP thought it wanted but will come to regret, this election will be a stark choice about the two parties' fundamental differences.

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Back to the subject at hand,

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In a statement, Akin said that he had misspoken.

"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year," he said.

Akin emerged earlier this month from a tough three-way primary in Missouri, where he rallied social conservatives behind his candidacy. Democrats actually spent during that primary to help Akin win, viewing the six-term congressman as a less formidable challenger in the general election.

McCaskill, who was first elected in 2006, has become a top target for Republicans this fall, given President Barack Obama's unpopularity in the state and successive statewide victories for the GOP.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's campaign issued a statement disagreeing with Akin.

"Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape," said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.



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AI Wessex
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How so? Akin is Ryan's sometime ideological fellow traveler, less articulate and guarded in his public pronouncements, but no less a member of the House or his party.
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I loved his opponent's response that Akin's position was wrong, based on her word as a Prosecutor. While she happens to be right ... a phrase comes to mind "no good, I've known too many prosecutors..."
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hmmm, from a right wing blog:
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So, assessing the damage: Likely McCaskill will win a seat we were counting on as a pick-up.

Further, No Exceptions Even For Rape now becomes a serious electoral issue in all other contests.

Further, it becomes especially important in Missouri. A state Romney/Ryan need to win.

So Akin says something that is truly moronic that he tries to backtrack on, what, within 12 hours? 24? No way he actually believes this, just something he popped off with the likely end result being that the power structure of the Democrats in Missouri stays intact and a very hot wedge issue has the potential to become prominent in other races.

All this at a time when voter enthusiasm on the left is nearly non-existent and it looks like truly conservative candidates that are truly outside the traditional R/D power base may win.

We gonna go with coincidence on this?

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"No way he actually believes this, just something he popped off..."

You're joking, right? Do you even stop for a second to consider what the facts might be, or do you just instantly jump to the conclusion you want and then work backwards to invent the facts afterward. You are a piece of work.

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quote:
Originally posted by AI Wessex:
How so? Akin is Ryan's sometime ideological fellow traveler, less articulate and guarded in his public pronouncements, but no less a member of the House or his party.

Bad Al, no cookie.

You have fallen in with the repugs who teat Cynthia McKinney as the flagship of the Dens.

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You have lost me once again. And what is with the "Bad Al, no cookie" routine? This is about the 3rd time you've tossed at me.
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Which inevitably means, since I go easy on you, at least the 12th time that youv'e tossed cookies at me in the form of argumint. (as opposed to argument)
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quote:
Originally posted by G3:
So Akin says something that is truly moronic that he tries to backtrack on, what, within 12 hours? 24? No way he actually believes this, just something he popped off with the likely end result being that the power structure of the Democrats in Missouri stays intact and a very hot wedge issue has the potential to become prominent in other races.

All this at a time when voter enthusiasm on the left is nearly non-existent and it looks like truly conservative candidates that are truly outside the traditional R/D power base may win.

We gonna go with coincidence on this?

Well.. yes? Akin said something inflammatory and stupid, and unfortunately for him there generally aren't take-backs on verbal gaffes in politics, no matter how one didn't actually /mean/ what came out of one's mouth (and given how he phrased the take-back I read, I'm not so sure that he didn't mean what he said--it sounded more like he was trying to assure everyone that he didn't mean to cause pain with his comment, which does not speak to whether or not he believed what he said). He fumbled, and the opposing party is going to jump all over it.

What is unusual about this?

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His comments were remarkably stupid and I'm not sure an apology is going to cut it in this case.

Furthermore, he's probably lost any support he had from Republican's outside of his state. I'm not sure how bad his comment are affecting his support within the state, but it's probably going over pretty bad with Republicans there.

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He's getting incredible pressure to drop out of the race before 5PM tomorrow, which would give the MO GOP 2 weeks to replace him on the ballot. If he misses that deadline he would have to go to court to request his removal, which the Dems would likely fight. He's toast one way or another.
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At least Akin has opened a possible second career. If he fails to win election to the Senate, maybe President Romney can make him Surgeon General.
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quote:
Originally posted by JWatts:
His comments were remarkably stupid and I'm not sure an apology is going to cut it in this case.

Furthermore, he's probably lost any support he had from Republican's outside of his state.

Sure, but God only knows how Rape works, biologically, within Missouri, the Rape Me state.
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Yeah, not funny. Neither this nor your "on the rag" title. I can't find humor in misogyny thinly veiled by sarcasm. Ah...before you "focking" demand an apology, consider this:

Pete having a pissing contest with Tom...
Pete having a pissing contest with G3...
Pete having a pissing contest with AI...
Pete having a pissing contest with sp...
Pete having a pissing contest with velcro...
Pete having a pissing contest with Pyrtolin...

Sorry if I left anyone out, but, why don't you get off everyone's legs?

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"Neither this nor your "on the rag" title. "

Wrong thread, genius.

Velcro, sp, g3, Pyr, am I having a "pissing contest" with you, or is vegimo having another one of his bizarre stalky wet dreams about me?

[ August 20, 2012, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Pete at Home ]

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Pete, I did not say this thread, did I?

Your snide taunts and homoerotic witticisms wear thin as well.

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Pete is obviously bored this week and looking to us for entertainment. Everyone needs to pitch in and help!
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homoerotic, moi? I don't recall accusing you of being male, vegimo. Please look at your first post to me on this thread and contemplate the hypocrisy of your complaint.

Comparing Akin to McKinney is "misogynistic"? I don't understand what you're saying, and I don't think you do either.

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It's worth noting that Akin didn't actually backtrack on anything- he actually doubled down on the claim and added in an implication that only forced rape is real rape.
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Vegimo,

If by "pissing contest", you mean a spirited debate where we don't always agree, and formality and politeness is not paramount, then sure, Pete and I are having a pissing contest.

With all due respect, please don't include my name in your list of grievances with other posters. If I have a problem with Pete, I tell Pete, and so far we have been able to work things out just fine.

Al is another story-
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Ryan *does* have a clear legislative history that has started to stick to him like Velcro
Hey Al, stop associating me with that Ayn Rand fan, I have a reputation to uphold! [Smile]
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Like Akin, I misspoke. I meant to say he sticks like G3 [Wink] .
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Thank you, Velcro.

vegimo, please note that I have not demanded an apology from you. I enjoyed proving you were wrong. I do not care if you have the guts to admit it. You're done.

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velcro - Sorry, I'll remember that.

Pete -

Neither "Missouri, the Rape Me state" nor...

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You're going to tell a male victim of sexual violence that a bitter reference to rape is "misogynistic"?

[DOH] [DOH] [DOH] [DOH] [DOH]

No, not funny, and not intended to be funny. It's called anger and outrage that a Congress representative is perpetuating ignorance about sexual violence. If you took that for a "misogynistic" joke you seriously have some issues. Get off your high horse's leg.

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Nice edge attack. Clearly he was talking about what this whole story was about, which is female rape. Take it down a notch, eh? If you want to play that card, however, how can you possibly leave out pedophilia, child sexual abuse by a parent, forced prostitution, etc. Shame on you.

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"Take it down a notch?" After the tone that veg jumped onto my thread with? You're quite the party player, Al; but I'm sorry to see you descend to gang-bang tactics. You used to be above that.

And Al, speaking of forced child prostitution, it seemed rather cynical of you to turn pimp Akin's death-dealing ignorance into a presidential election issue.

Don't talk to me about shame. Move along and find someone else's coffin to tapdance on.

[ August 21, 2012, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Pete at Home ]

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I am "above" that, but I sympathize with Vegimo on the issue he raised. You're a one-man gang, Pete, jumping on every topic and fending off all comers. I seriously get the feeling that this is your personal version of fight club, and often don't care what position you are fighting for. You might want to report me for saying that.

And are you the thread monitor? I remember one poster commenting in a thread somewhere around page 5 to say that the discussion at that point bore no relation to the supposed thread topic, and adding that that was drew him to follow along. Look back at some recent threads to see how you've yanked them without the initiator's permission.

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"...it seemed rather cynical of you to turn pimp Akin's death-dealing ignorance into a presidential election issue."

It *is* a national political issue. Ryan and Akin both sponsored one of the most repressive anti-abortion bills that has ever come before Congress. Akin's blunder (by speaking freely) isn't an isolated incident, but exposes the ignorance and intolerance of some people in the Christian Conservative/GOP political arena. For reference, read here for starters.

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"It *is* a national political issue."
Gee, Al, maybe that's why I started the focking thread, dya think?


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Ryan and Akin both sponsored one of the most repressive anti-abortion bills that has ever come before Congress. Akin's blunder (by speaking freely) isn't an isolated incident, but exposes the ignorance and intolerance of some people in the Christian Conservative/GOP political arena. For reference, read here for starters
Oh, well if you have the goods, then by all means lead with them. I've just got so used to you using every little coffin as an presidential election platform that, well, I needed a little "show me."

"He can say he's in line with Mitt Romney and would not ban abortions in the case of rape, but it's his name attached to House Resolution 212: Sanctity of Human Life Act, which would have done just that."

I'm curious if that turns out to be true. I'm doubtful, but will keep my eyes open.

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I don't always give sources, but I rarely post on a political topic without having read at least one credible source and usually more than one. Any time I offer a free-range opinion feel free to ask me to point to some background material. Sometimes I won't have anything recent and won't want to dig, but there's a sea of information floating around now about current political events.
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I hear you, but it's hard for me to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who expresses "sympathy" for the "issue" of vegi calling me a misogynist.

If that's not the "issue" that you sympathized with, please clarify.

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I wasn't sympathizing with him, but criticizing you for attacking him for no good reason. It's my maternal instinct.
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"maternal instinct"

Al, your maternal instinct needs a tune-up. vegimo called me a "misogynist," in retaliation for my cynical observation that Missouri mishandles rape law. So where do you get that I was "attacking him for no good reason"? Is there a conscience left beneath all this election-season partisanship?

"I sympathize with Vegimo on the issue he raised."

I find it contemptible when you use words like "issue" to describe personal attacks on Ornery members. On Ornery, the issues are the substantive political, religious, etc. things that we argue out. Motive readings, like is an ornery member a racist, a misogynist, a liar, a compulsive masturbator, or a blind partisan whore, are not Ornery "issues." They are trash.

[ August 21, 2012, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Pete at Home ]

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Pete, your joke about Missouri being the Rape Me State, thread title about "on the rag," reference to gang-bang...

Are you a misogynist or did you say some objectionable things? Your motives are not up to me to decide or proclaim. I don't expect you to defend your 'self' because you took offense at my offense, but you don't get a pass on misogynistic utterances because of your history (we all have histories, by the way).

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Asked and answered, vegi: IT WAS NOT MEANT AS A JOKE:

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You're going to tell a male victim of sexual violence that a bitter reference to rape is "misogynistic"?

[DOH] [DOH] [DOH] [DOH] [DOH]

No, not funny, and not intended to be funny. It's called anger and outrage that a Congress representative is perpetuating ignorance about sexual violence. If you took that for a "misogynistic" joke you seriously have some issues. Get off your high horse's leg.



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quote:
Originally posted by vegimo:
I can't find humor in misogyny thinly veiled by sarcasm.

What sort of a human being is even looking for humor in a thread about rape?

[ August 21, 2012, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Pete at Home ]

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