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Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
because KE said he would make this thread and never did...
because i still can't wrap my head around warrsaw being blonde...
and because i am voyeuristically bored...

anyone interested in putting a face to the (screen)name, feel free to offer it up.

additionally, if anyone likes chatting on AIM/MSN/Yahoo, post that screenname as well.

for my contribution, c'est moi:
sb in all her glory
none of those exhibits my current hair colorscheme, but such is life.

and i'm simplybiological on AIM and yahoo.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
Here is a link to OrneryCon II.

http://www.foobonic.com/gallery/usr-hatrack-orney/aae

msquared
 
Posted by Wayward Son (Member # 210) on :
 
This* is the only picture of me on the internet, so you’ll have to excuse the plug.

Oops, heh-heh, I mean this. [Embarrassed] I hope no one is too shocked. Ya'll thought I was fifteen, didn't ya?

Of course, now that you know, I expect book sales to go up significantly. (They couldn’t get much worse…)

(*You know someone was bound to do it, so I figured I might as well get it over with. [Smile] )

[ February 22, 2005, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Wayward Son ]
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
I got my brother to promise to take my picture this week with his digital camera.
 
Posted by Mike_W (Member # 202) on :
 
Do I perceive the birth of an Ornery calendar?
 
Posted by Mr Xin Ku (Member # 1472) on :
 
I know I barely post here and am nobody's best budy, but I still lurk regularly. Scroll down

[ February 22, 2005, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Mr Xin Ku ]
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
This is my blog. It's in hebrew only so far, though that's soon to change. Anyway, that small and low quality pic in the top right corner is me. I actually just bought a domain so within a few days there's gonna be some stuff on it.

http://www.notes.co.il/berman
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Hey Ricky, since I don't read Hebrew, who's the baby?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
Ricky

Your web page is laid out backwards. [Smile]

msquared
 
Posted by Doug J (Member # 416) on :
 
A long time ago, on a website far, far away i had a pic of me on it. Maybe it is still there....
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:

for my contribution, c'est moi:
sb in all her glory
none of those exhibits my current hair colorscheme, but such is life.

I dig the lenses. Someone ought to design and market glasses frames with epicanthic folds.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
All right. I'll play. [Smile]

First, here's picture of me and my last date.

Here's a more recent pic of me and my dearly missed mother.

Here's a pic of my dogs (Currie and Mojo) who occasionally post using my user name.

My AIM (posted with my profile) is LogicMunki. And I maintain a modest web site about myself (also on my profile) here.

All of that said. Didn't someone open a chat room for us last year? What ever happened to that? I popped in once, but nobody was there. Never got a chance to get back to it.

Ed.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Here's a bit o' pic of me:

http://dev.javelin.net/javelin.jpg
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Show and Tell! (Now where's that jetpack?)

To view images of me, my dog, and the meer that I ken as I type this, go to:

The Red Pearl aka Janis Joplin's Revenge

If I understand properly how it works, you'll have to sign on to view. I'll be in the 'PHOTOS' link on the left. I'll have to OK ye joining. SHouldn't take more than 24 of your Earthling hours. But then, you might like us. Things have been slow on deck of late, but it's still a nice ship...

[ February 22, 2005, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i spent 3.5 hours picking those glasses out, ken, i appreciate that you noticed. there's this store here that has about 500 pairs of hip faux-nerdy frames, all of which i tried on repeatedly.

is it totally out of left field that i expected xin ku to be asian?

ed..i think ev was leaving it open on his computer, but i think it degenerated into the few of us who used it just chatting on aim sans chatroom. i've talked to everard, warrsaw, enumclaw, knightender, molonel, zyne, kilthmal and maybe someone else... but it wasn't enough to sustain a chatroom...
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
First, here's picture of me and my last date.
She's HOT!!! Like a young Streisand... but with a smaller nose...
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
SB

I also have to say that those glasses are hot. You aren't bad either. [Wink]

I have got to get all these young goth chicks to OrneryCon. [Smile]

msquared
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Here's my pic. Sorry about the size, it's just too much of a pain to fiddle, since I got the pic from my computer in Toronto.

Me
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Stay away, Kenmeer! I still have feelings!

@ SB

Yea, I kinda figured that. I've done similarly, and it always helps if you have a lot of traffic.

@ msquared

Do that and I might actually almost possibly sort of attend! [Wink]

Ed.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
msquared.
thanks. i dig the sexynerdy look.

did you just call me goth? GOTH? i am so not goth. i have pictures where significant portions of my hair are blonde and i'm SMILING. i never wear leather, chains or lace. i don't listen to industrial music. i wear only moderate amounts of eyeliner. the only reason my hair is black is to accentuate the pink, i swear!

jasonr wins my award for "person i never consciously thought i had a picture of in my head, but when i saw his picture i actively thought he doesn't look like what i expected."

[ February 22, 2005, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: simplybiological ]
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
aupton, remember the dog from Tom and Jerry? remember the episodes where he has a puppy he's hilariously overjoyed just to be with and violently protective of (always to the great misforune of Tom, of course)? OK, now I want you to hear it in your mind:

THAT'S MY BOY!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by FiredrakeRAGE (Member # 1224) on :
 
I'll have to post a picture when I'm back for spring break. As of now, I don't have a single one.

I'm 'FiredrakeRAGE' on AIM.

--Firedrake
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
I can't open jasonr's page; all I get is a Yahoo monkey. Or was that the joke?

Ed. - I think the miscellaneous chat thread at the top is supposed to kind of stand in for a real chat room.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i think jasonr exceeded the oh, 3 inches of bandwidth that geocities lets you have.

for the record, he has dark hair and looks cheerful. i think i pictured him with really short lightbrown hair and kinda thug-gy. i have no idea why, jason [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
did you just call me goth? GOTH? i am so not goth.
She reminds me, msquared, of a 1964 highbrow counterpoint to a California Girl. Intense, no nonsense but seriously sensual demeanour with a quick laugh verging on insane giggle lurking just behind the ironic mask just as soon as she's figured out that you're not a moron and/or are not born with that genetic deficiency, like not being able to curl one's tongue along its longitudinal axis, of being incapable of looking her in the eyes AND staring at her tits at the same time.

Girls get SO tired of that uppa-downa-uppa-downa eye wobble we men do unless we've learned how to optically multiplex.

[ February 22, 2005, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
My screen name is ender6666 on AIM.

I have pictures somewhere *Scrounge*

This is about the best picture I have online of me.

Link removed by OrneryMod at request of other person in picture.

[ April 20, 2006, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: OrneryMod ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
quote:
She reminds me, msquared, of a 1964 highbrow counterpoint to a California Girl. Intense, no nonsense but seriously sensual demeanour with a quick laugh verging on insane giggle lurking just behind the ironic mask just as soon as she's figured out that you're not a moron and/or are not born with that genetic deficiency, like not being able to curl one's tongue along its longitudinal axis, of being incapable of looking her in the eyes AND staring at her tits at the same time.

i really HOPE that this is an accurate description of me, because i really want it to be. i'm impressed that all that was gleaned since my recent return...
 
Posted by Mr Xin Ku (Member # 1472) on :
 
quote:
is it totally out of left field that i expected xin ku to be asian?
Apparently "Xin Ku" is Chinese for "fat Idaho redneck." [Wink]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
I can roll my tongue that way. I can also touch the end of my nose with my tongue. Of course that may speak more to the size of my nose then anything else.

msquared
 
Posted by Mr Xin Ku (Member # 1472) on :
 
quote:
Ricky

Your web page is laid out backwards. [Smile]

msquared

It does give me the sensation, looking at that page, that if one were to turn it over, it would be right side up and readable.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
"i'm impressed that all that was gleaned since my recent return..."

He's just flirting. Not that I blame him, but....
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
i really HOPE that this is an accurate description of me, because i really want it to be. i'm impressed that all that was gleaned since my recent return...
It IS my sincere impression, but not without its trace of sycophancy. I love seeing digital photos blush from flattery [Cool]

And now it's time for Ask Dan Quayle:

If photos are spelled photos not 'photoes' and torpedoes are spelled torpedoes not torpedos, how should we spell photon torpedoes? Photoen torpedos?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
Apparently "Xin Ku" is Chinese for "fat Idaho redneck.
...which, in the Asian stereotypical vernacular, is pronounced 'Fat Iraho Leadneck'. Sounds more macho that way, don't it? Like a 1949 Israeli special ops dude?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
m2-
"I can roll my tongue that way. I can also touch the end of my nose with my tongue"

the ability to roll the tongue that way is a discrete genetic trait, unlike most human traits... most people can roll it. i can only touch my nose with my tongue ring, not my actual tongue, so i'm impressed.

"It does give me the sensation, looking at that page, that if one were to turn it over, it would be right side up and readable."

ditto. completely.

"He's just flirting. Not that I blame him, but.... "

i wish guys my age and single would flirt like that, cause i would be all over it.

TD, i JUST said to ev last night "whatever happened to TomDavidson?" ...and here you are.
 
Posted by Mr Xin Ku (Member # 1472) on :
 
quote:
Fat Iraho Leadneck
[Smile] me likey bely much!

quote:
i wish guys my age and single would flirt like that, cause i would be all over it.
All the nerds on Onery just realized we've been talking to a hottie. I suspect you'll get no shortage of attention here.

[ February 22, 2005, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Mr Xin Ku ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Some of us already knew *Grin, dodges pies*
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
i wish guys my age and single would flirt like that, cause i would be all over it.
It took, for me, almost 20 years of marriage and learning how to recover from my innumerable flattery faux pas and passive insensitivites, and several years' accompaniment of my wife's entry into menopause, to learn how to properly flatter a woman.

Although I had SOME talent back then. My first date with my wife, her best bud/roommate tagged along for a bit. As my wife-to-be powdered her nose (such a cute euphemism), her roommate who, it later turned out, really WAS a sleazy tramp, said to me, "You're probably the best-looking man I've ever seen."

Direct brain bullet with heavy incendiary shrapnel penetrating my pecker. See the headlines:

Man Killed by Hyperbolic Flattery:

Blood goes to other head, killing him by main brain oxygen starvation and massive blood loss from exploded penis."

A test. Pass or fail? I strained my brain, struggling to maintain consciousness as it drained to nether regions, and replied, "Why, what a NICE thing to say." Smiled a sweetly polite smile, and returned to watching the house band guitarist do his worst Eddy van Halen imitation.

A brief silence, then, "You're GOOD."

And she was BAD.

My wife has proved to be the angel everyone believed would be required to save a fool like myself from me. I am a very lucky man.

[ February 22, 2005, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Hmm... It seems 1 MB is too big for geocities. Bah, I will update it. You thought I was a thug Simply? [Smile]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"I have got to get all these young goth chicks to OrneryCon."
I am not Goth.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Bahh! I updated it with a 60k file, and it still gives that dumbass error message. Oh well, you will all be deprived of my beautiful picture. Shame.

Oh wait, it's only a 1 hour penalty; now I get it.

[ February 22, 2005, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: jasonr ]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
I have to admit that I was curious about what you look like.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
eeek *blush* cute is much more accurate than hot.

flattering me is decidedly a cerebral pursuit, involving wordplay and clever turns of phrase. in a horrible twist of fate, usually men who excel at this know they do and that puts me off. recently i was utterly disarmed by a history grad student who, after our first date, sent me an email with pictures of pies attached and the text "these are some of my most beautiful pies." he also collaborated on leftover art with me at a restaurant, meaning that i am now thoroughly entranced with him and drive myself (and probably everard [Smile] ) nuts analyzing the nuances of our interactions. the irony of me dating a history student is not lost on anyone who has recently read what i posted on the iwo jima thread.
moral: you never know with girls.

having now seen the picture, kenmeer absolutely looks like he should be captaining a old (yet sturdy) yacht about in warm waters, drinking rum and commenting on how things used to be.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
"TD, i JUST said to ev last night 'whatever happened to TomDavidson?' ...and here you are."

I haven't felt the need to post on political topics much lately. There's too much of actual importance going on in my life. [Smile]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
jason...
i think it's because you share my general lack of sympathy with the plight of humanity (i'm overstating) and people keep accusing you of sounding unfeeling. i had no idea that i even had that notion until it was soundly violated... it's not a BAD thing, just weird.

TD,
didn't you guys have a baby or something? how's that going?

[ February 22, 2005, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: simplybiological ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
If the actual importance is your baby, I'm giving myself a pat on the back for figuring it out [Smile]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
jason...
i think it's because you share my general lack of sympathy with the plight of humanity (i'm overstating) and people keep accusing you of sounding unfeeling. i had no idea that i even had that notion until it was soundly violated... it's not a BAD thing, just weird.

I sort of see. I have a way of putting images to peoples' faces without even seeing them too. However, your photo didn't surprise me. Actually, you look like my best friend's ex girlfriend.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
By the way, where's Zyne? I want to see the face of my enemy.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
haha, good luck, jason. zyne is notoriously protective of her real life alter-ego.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Yah. And also usually on ornery late at night.
 
Posted by LoverOfJoy (Member # 157) on :
 
Here's a photo of me. ... although now I'm sporting a beard. Clicking on it makes it bigger (it's magic). The good-looking ones in the photo are my wife and stepson (I'm sure you can figure out which is which).

FIJC:
quote:
I am not Goth.
I always pictured you with more of a dominatrix look... [Big Grin] j/k
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
kenmeer absolutely looks like he should be captaining a old (yet sturdy) yacht about in warm waters, drinking rum and commenting on how things used to be.
Me ship mates on the Red Pearl, being mostly older than me, like to do that. Currently they're at work on never-ending puns with Beatles tunes. Me, I mostly like to comment on how things might yet be.

My prediction: In da fyootcher, every-ting will be a-Boughten and a-Solden! EVERYTHING! Beginning and ending with your dreams!

(kenmeer, cranking up his spring-drive Victrola with silicon transistor needle, and playing vintage Fritz Kreisler playing Mozart serenades from 78 RPM microfiche... they don't make 'em like THAT any more...)

[ February 22, 2005, 07:01 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
in a horrible twist of fate, usually men who excel at this know they do and that puts me off.
Sit 'em down and make 'em watch 6 hours straight of old Jimmy Stewart movies.
 
Posted by Dave at Work (Member # 1906) on :
 
LoverOfJoy:
quote:
FIJC:

quote:
I am not Goth.
I always pictured you with more of a dominatrix look... j/k
I always pictured FIJC as Michelle Malkin's twin [Smile] .
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
She's definitely Korean. And I'm pretty sure the "J" in FIJC stands for Jesus. Not sure of anything else.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Hah. AM I the only one who knows that FIJC stands for? (Other then, of course, FIJC). Out of respect for her desire not to talk about it, I've never spilled guts, and I won't.
 
Posted by thegreatgrundle (Member # 1921) on :
 
I wandered over here from the sports forum, and figured I'd share the beauty that is me.

All right, maybe that joke was a little esoteric.

This is the real me. The picture's a little old, but you get the point.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Forgiveness in Jesus Christ?
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
Um, my blog is the easiest place to get a picture of me. I go onto the photos page whenever I want to feel hideous.

Simplybio, I know a goth with beautiful, stunning blonde hair and 'baby-girl' cute looks. It can happen to anyone. Deedle-deedle, deedle-deedle...

Some of you should have warning signs on those things. [Smile]

[ February 22, 2005, 09:07 PM: Message edited by: Jordan ]
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
You'll have to work a little for my picture [Smile]

Scroll down to the Incoming Class of 2002. I'm the bald guy in the middle.

http://psychology.villanova.edu/msphotos.htm
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
I love how the pictures get worse and worse as you scroll down through the years... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
I'm not online, but Devi is: One , two.

That was a lie. I'm just not sharing, even with my beloved enemy. If you pry, I will sic this on you! Devil cat!!!

[ February 22, 2005, 09:40 PM: Message edited by: Zyne ]
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Yeah, they have them at the school for years back, into about the mid 80's I think. Hours of fun when you're supposed to be studying for finals...they were posted in the grad school "lounge" so we got a chance to laugh about them often.
 
Posted by thegreatgrundle (Member # 1921) on :
 
"I always had my suspicions that you were no mere mortal, but I never imagined that you were actually...a cat." -Nicholas D. Wolfwood

Sorry, I can't contain my random bits of anime trivia today. [Big Grin]

edit: fixed the quote, it's accurate now

[ February 22, 2005, 10:16 PM: Message edited by: thegreatgrundle ]
 
Posted by thegreatgrundle (Member # 1921) on :
 
@Zyne:

Beware!
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
Mmmm, tastes like chicken. Furry chicken!
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
quote:
Simplybio, I know a goth with beautiful, stunning blonde hair and 'baby-girl' cute looks. It can happen to anyone. Deedle-deedle, deedle-deedle...
it has not, as yet, happened to me. indie punk kids and goth kids just don't mix.

zyne, tyson challenges devi to a cute-off.
my baby
and if he doesn't win he'll just sit on her.
 
Posted by thegreatgrundle (Member # 1921) on :
 
@simplybio

Keep em coming, she's still hungry!
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
Oh, I think big fluffy cat "hiding" in teensy box beats the waif any day... you can't script that.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
That was a lie. I'm just not sharing, even with my beloved enemy. If you pry, I will sic this on you! Devil cat!!!
Not bad. However, I would bet on my cat any day. Well, actually, it's soon to be my cousin's cat again when she returns from Scotland, but it's mine for now, and she kicks ass. She's a perfect condescending, arrogant cat; she likes to pet me [Smile] She also has no respect for humans, and will walk all over you (literally) when she is in the mood. She doesn't approve of me working on the computer, and will try to put her paw on the keyboard to keep me from working. We watch Law and Order every night, but I have suspicions that she may be a closet CSI fan...

I just hope she's not too lonely in my apartment all by herself...

[ February 22, 2005, 11:12 PM: Message edited by: jasonr ]
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
She'll be fine. But expect a big welcome when you get back to her.
 
Posted by kelcimer (Member # 1221) on :
 
Righto then.

Here's me.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
quote:
i can only touch my nose with my tongue ring, not my actual tongue, so i'm impressed.
Aw, gross!!! You had to bring up the whole tongue piercing thing again!

[me shudders!]

So NOT nerdy!


FIJC? Faith In Jesus Christ? And here I always thought it meant Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. No, wait... That doesn't work!

Ed.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
FIJC

I did not mean you. I know that you are the prim and proper Christian girl that I could bring home to mother. If I was 25 years younger and not married with two kids. [Smile]

I mean Denalian and SB. Of course now SB has told me that her pigeon hole is Indy chick and not goth. I want to have all kinds at OrneryCon. It makes for a fun time and the neighbors get an eyefull.

msquared
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"I always pictured FIJC as Michelle Malkin's twin."
I don't think I look like her. Looking at her picture, she looks Filipina, but I could be wrong. I am a lot paler than she is, probably more petite too.

quote:
"I did not mean you. I know that you are the prim and proper Christian girl that I could bring home to mother. If I was 25 years younger and not married with two kids."
LOL, sometimes I think that I am too prissy. I love shopping at Jcrew and and Banana Rep., but my roomate Kayla is trying to make me go shopping for a pair of jeans, which I haven't worn for years.

[ February 23, 2005, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: FIJC ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
What do you look like? Post a picture.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
I don't know how to post a picture, but I can email you. It's fun to actually be able to put a face to the people who post here.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
If you like, FIJC, I can post it on my web site so that you can link it here. Just send me an email.

Ed.
 
Posted by thegreatgrundle (Member # 1921) on :
 
If anyone needs a place to post a picture, just go here.

It's quick, easy, and free.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
"didn't you guys have a baby or something? how's that going?"

It proceeds apace. [Smile]
I'm rather happy, actually.
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Congratulations Tom, I hope your happiness continues, even if your sleep doesn't.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
quote:
If anyone needs a place to post a picture, just go here.

It's quick, easy, and free.

That works too. [Wink]

Ed.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
KE & wife pic Sorry SB. I got kinda busy. This used to be on my profile, and I'm still 2/3 of the way through my novel.

KE
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Your wife is very good looking, but that picture you have posted of her makes her look like one of the victims of Joker's cosmetic products in Batman. No offence [Smile]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
She does look kinda pale, but she hardly ever takes pictures. I'll try to find another one.

KE
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
LOL, it's not her pallor. She has what looks like a ridiculous ear to ear grin, like the joker's victims. It's actually pretty funny, if a little disturbing. Don't you remember from the movie, when the news lady collapses on the set and dies laughing? [Smile]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
In real life she is rarely that happy, so it doesn't come up much. [Smile] I'll change it but since our last computer crashed that is the only one I have of either of us on the computer. She's beautiful in real life, and that's what counts.

KE
 
Posted by Loki (Member # 2312) on :
 
I'm new, might as well throw a picture up now while I have one. You should probably drag and drop or copy and paste this:

woof

[ February 23, 2005, 07:42 PM: Message edited by: Loki ]
 
Posted by LoverOfJoy (Member # 157) on :
 
Don't bother changing it on our account. It's obvious from the picture that she's an attractive lady. The smile thing to me looks like more a factor of photo quality and angle.
 
Posted by LoverOfJoy (Member # 157) on :
 
Welcome to Ornery, Loki
 
Posted by Dave at Work (Member # 1906) on :
 
It looks to me, based on the pixelation, like the photo has been degraded considerabaly, possibly by repeated compression or resizing, and that probably accounts for what you are seeing. Regardless, I have to agree that she is one attrative lady and KE, you are one lucky guy.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Thanks. She is even a more beautiful person. Considering we were kids when we got married, you are very right, I am one lucky guy.

KE
 
Posted by FiredrakeRAGE (Member # 1224) on :
 
Zyne -

Your cat is great! [Smile]

--Firedrake
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Knight Ender, I think it's a nice smile, even if a bit digitally exaggerated.
 
Posted by kelcimer (Member # 1221) on :
 
You know, a picture of a cat draws comment, but someone in a dress doesn't.

That only makes no sense.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
hah. my picture got ZERO responses too. And there was no dress involved.
 
Posted by kelcimer (Member # 1221) on :
 
Ev

To be honest I'm kinda thrown by the fact that you are not near a computer and don't have the look of someone in a debate. SB's pic works well because you can believe it was taken at 3 in the morning after she has been in a raging debate since she got off of work at 11.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Well, the place where that picture was taken is sortof my "spiritual home." Its up in the catskill mountains, far from civilization, the internet, or computers. I like being in remote places... for a few days at a time. Then I come back to computers, debates, and technology [Smile] I love going XC skiing, being in the mountains in summer, or driving deserted roads.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Ev,

Who is the pretty girl?

KE
 
Posted by Adam Lassek (Member # 1514) on :
 
Here's a photo of me taken while visiting San Diego

and here's me screwing with a digital camera [Wink]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
"And here's me screwing..."

I was really getting interested for a second. I though this pic-fest was going to take a whole new turn.

KE
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
Just to make it an even 100, WOOF-WOOF!
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Okay, 'fessing up:
http://www.vate.org/images/photos/vate_04_18.jpg

Waiting for warsaw's promised pic.... Since this ageism thing started rolling, we need proof that he's really the youngster he claims to be.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
KE-
That is my friend who was recently raped [Frown]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Ev,

How is she doing?

cperry,

What are you doing in that pick? Speaking? Playing a piano?

KE
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Delivering introductory comments about OSC to a room full of English teachers at our annual state conference. Not my most flattering pic, but it was online and easy to access.

Here's OSC at the same conference:
http://www.vate.org/images/photos/vate_04_15.jpg

He's with our conference A-V chairperson (who took all the other conference photos and was mightily pleased to have his taken with OSC).
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
What are you doing in that pick? Speaking? Playing a piano?
Looks like a podium to me. Something about the relief quality makes the microphone look like a laryngial implant.

I see a lot of human being in her eyes.

[ March 01, 2005, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
You posted a pic of her Everard and then identified her as a rape victim?! In the future, I'd exercise more discretion. That is not something that you should be announcing in a public place.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Ev,
I hope you both are recovering from the experience. (words fail me)
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
KL -
Okay, here's another, sans implant:
http://www.vate.org/images/photos/vate_04_12.jpg

Perhaps that's better.

That's my husband. We're at the banquet where OSC spoke.

OSC irked quite a few of the teachers in attendance, but he made several really good points.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
You posted a pic of her Everard and then identified her as a rape victim?! In the future, I'd exercise more discretion. That is not something that you should be announcing in a public place.
SInce I'm the reigning Captain of Crassness, I'll suggest that maybe this comment should have been addressed privately to Ev (if such is possible).
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
Perhaps that's better.
It is. Not only does it feature a smile advertising a wry quirkiness of thought, it also shows the lovely roundness of your cheeks while the peek of cleavage suggests an additional roundness elsewhere.

Your hubby's eyes seem to be telling me to keep my distance... [Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
OSC irked quite a few of the teachers in attendance, but he made several really good points.
I can relate to that tactic.

I think OSC is very deliberately an instigator. I'm not saying he doesn't believe in the views he espouses, but that he deliberately espouses them in an 'ornery' way to foment the most inquiry, crossfire, and hopefully, deep analysis.

He's a no good goldang troublemaker and he should be proud... (man, your hubby is VIGILANT! just keeps giving me the backoff eye...)

Oh GAWD!!! I just realized who you remind me of! This is... terrible/great/wonderful/horrible. You look very much like a woman with whom I was madly, terrifyingly, deeply in love with back when I was 19, and for far too many years afterward, although the relationship was over in two years. And it took me this long to realize whom you remind me of!?! I must finally be REALLY over her.

Thank heaven for small wonders...

[ March 01, 2005, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
I'm glad that I could be of service, Kenmeer. May you luxuriate in the freedom of your new realization!
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
quote:
I'm glad that I could be of service, Kenmeer. May you luxuriate in the freedom of your new realization!
And yet, as is so often the case, luxury is just too much: I MISS missing her!

Old habits die slowly...
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Is it a habit or an addiction? Important distinction, you know. Purely semantic, of course!
 
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 1392) on :
 
Not to be a killjoy or anything, but we all know there's no way to verify whether any of these pictures are true, right?
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
I can verify the OrneryCon pics. I was there. And by association, I can verify Ev's picture.

msquared
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Which pictures are you refering to, OmegaM?

Mine are all true! I swear it!!!

Ed.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
I think that most of us here operate on good faith of one another. I doubt that anyone here would lie about their picture.
 
Posted by fotwennytime (Member # 1037) on :
 
m2,
did you get the pics i tried to send you?
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
If I were going to post a fake picture, I promise it would be a better one.

But simplybiological might be posting a fake just to get our attention. She's probably really a middle-aged white guy reminiscent of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons [Smile]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
I assure you that the anxiety I have felt since posting mine is proof positive that it's actual. Nothing like giving up one's anonymity to produce hives!

And aupton's right.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
...about posting fake pics, not about simplybio being amiddle-aged white guy. You'll have to ask simplybio about that.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
fourtwentytime

I got them. I just have to remember who at Foobonic I need to contact to have them put on that server so that I can link to them here at this site.

msquared
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Since images of ourselves have virtually no meaning to the content of our words, whether they're accurate or not is tangential. These words come from grey matter invisible to all but Superman.

SOmeday, though, flame wars will include denunciations like '**** YOU and the avatar you rode in on!'
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
I could verify mine because I actually met a member in public, but he is temporarily suspended. I say that on OA we assume honesty and integrity until proven otherwise.

KE
 
Posted by fotwennytime (Member # 1037) on :
 
thank you m2, i wasnt sure if i clicked all the right clickies
 
Posted by fotwennytime (Member # 1037) on :
 
oh yeah and sorry again, i shoulda had em to you the day after, however my horrible irresponsibility overrode my ettiquette.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Tez and I have pics on a digital camera now, just waiting before we get them up. Prepare to be blown away.

It "will kick so much ass that it may reverse progress made towards world peace during the last 50 years." - Maddox
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Serotonin's Gone and I dated for quite a while, and lived together. I think he is in the best possible position to confirm that I am not, in fact, a middle aged white guy.

And, as was pointed out when I first started posting, I "write like a girl."
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Hehe, that was me, wasn't it?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
twas you indeed, pumpkin.

now where's that picture?
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Maybe SG is just ashamed to admit he was living with a middle aged white guy? [Smile]

KE
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
KE, i assert that you are a petite old lady in her mid-60s. Stacy would be embarrassed to admit this, so she can't confirm it. [Smile]

SG is a little too hetero for your scenario, i think. I have girl parts, trust me... I even showed you a picture of the chest tattoo!
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
"Maybe SG is just ashamed to admit he was living with a middle aged white guy?"

Not that there's anything wrong with that. [Wink]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
My wife lives with a middle aged white guy. She seems to like it. [Smile]

mquared
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Ah, but wouldn't it be fun to assume the persona for awhile? I just don't think I could pull it off for long.
 
Posted by Locus (Member # 540) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cperry:
Ah, but wouldn't it be fun to assume the persona for awhile? I just don't think I could pull it off for long.

To what end ? Why pretend to be someone you're not?
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Have I ever mentioned that I'm really Micheal Moore and that I post here because I'm a closet conservative?

Ed.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"To what end ? Why pretend to be someone you're not?"

Rather like the thrill of wearing women's silkn underthings underneath one's pigt-stained overalls...
 
Posted by Locus (Member # 540) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kenmeer livermaile:
"To what end ? Why pretend to be someone you're not?"

Rather like the thrill of wearing women's silkn underthings underneath one's pigt-stained overalls...

Ah ..but that's being yourself ..not someone else.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I live INSIDE a middle-aged white guy... who liks women's underwear and slinky cashmere sweaters and thinks Johnny Depp looks SO cute in women's clothing... but better as a pirate.

YARRRR!!!
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil."
 
Posted by nyani (Member # 1828) on :
 
I thought maybe Warrsaw was going to look like my brother, because they are both blondes and have serious ambitions to take over the world. But they don't look alike at all. Lucky for WP I guess.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
War looks an awful lot like my old esteemed colleague, Wolfgang Imadeus Meshuganetts, who has a true Chirstian name but would prefer I keep it private.

Wolfy, as we call him, also tended to focus an uncommonly strong intellect along tunnels of thought that others generally eschewed. Sometimes Wolfy, too, seemed to be blinded by the light his laser cast at the end of the tunnel, experiencing a lingering afterimage that sometimes obscured his view of the object at hand. Wolfy, like Warsaw, learned to look slightly askance to solve this problem.

Veteran Heinlein fans may remember how Kip, in Have Space Suit -- Will Travel, saved himself on Pluto using the same technique. Basically, he expanded his field of vision by learning to focus more on the periphery than the blinding glare flash in his center of focus.

This may sound to some like a preachy criticism, but it is actually a pean. (LIke a Zen master, I like to commence preacht criticisms by whacking someone with a hard stick.) Wolfy is awesome. Anyway, he and War could pass for brothers.

(kenmeer, emulating Clarke's 'Nine Billion Names of God' by striving to find 9 billion ways of making an ass of himself.

'Slowly, one by one, without a fuss, the stars in kenmeer's eyes were winking out.')
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Wow, for all the to-do regarding my youth and blonde-ness, very little reaction from Ornery when I actually post my picture.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Locus - For what end? I suppose it's the fiction writer in me. To see what kind of charade I might be able to maintain. To test out opinions under a pseudonym so they aren't attributed to the known me. (No, I don't mean flaming, either.) To be taller, stronger, faster, cuter, whatever. I think the internet has allowed lots of people to do that (think chat rooms with 14 year old girls and 34 year old men pretending to be 15 year old boys -- sorry for the stereotype, but statistics support it). Dungeons and Dragons role-playing. There's lots of reasons for people to consider being something they're not, if only for awhile. Of course, you might argue then it is something they are, if they want to pretend, but I disagree. We each have a pretty unique voice here. I'd have to really get into character to pretend to be someone else and be believable, I think.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
WP - Great pic and great scenery!
 
Posted by Adam Lassek (Member # 1514) on :
 
quote:
Wow, for all the to-do regarding my youth and blonde-ness, very little reaction from Ornery when I actually post my picture.
I was holding off for the uproar that never came [Big Grin]

That was sooo not how I pictured you looking. Although you do look a lot like a guy I know, only with dark hair.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
cperry -

That's my town (or a part of it anyway) from the top of a hill near my house. I live across the street from the high school in the background, so I get to appreciate that kind of scenery every day.

Adam - Yeah, nobody thinks I look like I sound.
 
Posted by Politius (Member # 1756) on :
 
Mk....
Renmazuo121 on AIM
www.xanga.com/tkdmaster3bd for a small little pic of me that you really cant tell how old i really am or how i really look...but thats an old pic of me...really old
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Also, War, a picture that doesn't look you've had a cranial piercing through your left ear with some kind of slick alloy ball'n'chain thingie... might be better?
 
Posted by Tezcatlipoca (Member # 1312) on :
 
I don't see it kenmeer. Are you referring to the tree in the background?
 
Posted by vulture (Member # 84) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tezcatlipoca:
I don't see it kenmeer. Are you referring to the tree in the background?

There is a floodlight from the athletics track(?) which appears to be sticking right out of WPs left ear, amongst the trees.
 
Posted by Tezcatlipoca (Member # 1312) on :
 
Ah. I see it now. The tiny line only visible when you zoom in, which is a branch illuminated by that great big floodlight (the Sun [Smile] ).

How did you find it?
 
Posted by Locus (Member # 540) on :
 
cperry,

Ever thought of taking up theatre?
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Locus, I'm terrible at it! The closest I ever got was teaching (at least that's a kind of stage) and dancing. However, lest I have inadvertently given anyone the impression that I'm some kind of wacko just waiting to be some other kind of wacko, I would definitely not pose as someone else. Not enough time as it is to be me!
 
Posted by LoverOfJoy (Member # 157) on :
 
Tez...you have to zoom in a lot for the face recognition software to correctly check against the FBI database. [Wink]
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
The FBI doesn't know I exist anymore. Shush.
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
WP's metal qtip is screaming out to me. It's only out shouted by that funky slope from what appears to be the stands to what appears to be the dugout and/or Other Stands. WTF?

And of course his youth and yellow hair. [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
War's LYING. The FBI OWNS him. That's a cranial ANTENNAE sticking outta his ear, fer chrissake.

He's got 2 pounds of plastic explosive planted under his scapulae. SCAPulae, not SCALPulae, which is wired with platinumized polymer fibers dyed blonde. Hair, if you will.

If you see Warsaw, RUN...

There. Do you feel your appearance has been sufficiently vetted NOW, War?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (ah the pitter-patter of tiny maniacal laughing feet...)
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
... I'm almost speechless.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Zyne -
quote:
And of course his youth and yellow hair
There's another reason I have Calvin of Calvin & Hobbes as my AIM buddy icon.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"There's another reason I have Calvin of Calvin & Hobbes as my AIM buddy icon."

THE quintessential amoralist... with a tiger for a conscience.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
okay, I'll play!


pic1

pic2

pic3
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Canadian - FOCUS, PINKY!
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Canadian,

I always though of you as older. Were you on a model shoot in that first pic? [Wink]

KE
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
ha ha...I know, I know...I just don't have a lot of photos of yours truly, and what I do have is horrendous...how will I ever find my true internet love now?

[Frown]

edited to add: modelling? HELLS no! That was on Vancouver Island near Tofino...just a snapshot by my friend.

And older? I'm in my early thirties...that's pretty old compared to our young and dauntingly intelligent friend Warrsaw...

[ March 16, 2005, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Ha! Tez found a video of somebody doing something really stupid within 50 yards of my home (no jokes, please... too easy).

At that high school you see in the background of my picture, this unfortunate event occurred.
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
canadian, are you sure that is you, and that it is not your fashion model boyfriend?

Nevermind. And ignore the other boys here. They're just jealous of your hair.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
canadian -
You definitely look younger than you are. There must be a Mrs. canadian.
 
Posted by kelcimer (Member # 1221) on :
 
Warrsaw

Okay. I didn't think of you being quite so...tallish and skinny. Again, you not being in front of a computer pounding away at the keyboard with intent throws me as well.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
quote:
That's a cranial ANTENNAE sticking outta his ear
We have a new family member, who is in possession of antennae...

meet na-pede-leon dynamite:
yep, that's my hand
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"meet na-pede-leon dynamite:
yep, that's my hand"

That's the trouble with dry ice: too soon it's gone and then you're back to playing with bugs.... is that one of the toxic bitey kind?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
centipedes are the toxic ones... their forelegs are modified into venom delivery devices and they are nasty little buggers.

millipedes are happy friendly adorable-ness... some (mine included) secrete fluid when scared that has a mild cyanide compound in it, but if one is diligent about washing one's hands/avoiding frightening one's millipede, it's no trouble.
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
Don't squish one! They're nasty on the skin.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Oh my. Are there people who aren't diligent about washing their hands after handling a millipede? No matter how cute?

(Sorry, I know I'm fulfilling so many stereotypes here, but...shudder.)
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
In the Caribbean, they are fugging everywhere! And centipedes, and scorpions, and 30+ kinds of mosquitoes, and wasps, and sand fleas. That's why everybody spends all their time on the boat [Wink] . I used to live on the right summit http://www.pbase.com/peterb/image/1571926 which is all rain forest on the side you see. Actually, I cut a trail down it to the store for emergency cigarettes to burn bugs [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
So now where's your picture, KL? Won't the Kennel Club release it? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
cp,
i do public education programs with these guys (and madagascar hissing cockroaches) and you would be exactly my target audience... i really like to bully intelligent folks with shudder responses into holding crawlies. guys with girlfriends and dads with daughters are particularly prone to intimidation.

and really, the pede is cute once you give her a chance... i've made many a convert... her shell is really smoother and harder than you'd think, and the legs are very rigid and tickle. pedes are awesome.
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
Gaghhhh! And another thing that makes me puke is the smell of termites. There are nests the size of tree houses in the tropics -- and I can smell them upwind.

Animals I like, even the uglies, though I think some are nicer than others. Mongooses are sneaky, but I know somebody who has a pet one, and she's friendly enough. Tree rats? eh ...! Oh, and I HATE HATE HATE the tree frogs, but EVERYbody does.

Speaking of rats, Margurite and me: http://journals.aol.com/deykingston/TheGayReview/ . I'm hold the insecticide disguised as diet pepsi [Big Grin] (actually, I think it was cognac).
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
sb--she's gorgeous!
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
hey richard... next time you hobnob with termites, take a blue bic pen and draw something on a piece of paper, then pop a termite or two on it. they'll follow your lines.

i like tree frogs?

thanks Z.
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
I'm so glad to know they can read. I'll leave them some notes to pay the rent [Smile] .
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
SB - And if I draw a circle?
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Richard, the pics are great. I might have to put up with tree rats and stinky termites. But what's wrong with tree frogs?
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
SB - I am pretty good at trying new things, if I have a sympathetic guide. It helps to know that millipedes are not poisonous or slimy.

I have a lot of appreciation for critters: I've already owned a snake -- years ago. I like to look at spiders; years ago there was a great banana spider outside my classroom window (in Kissimmee, FL, on what used to be semi-swampland). We named her Anastasia. I don't think I'm hopeless -- just slow. [Smile]
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
They're not poisonous but if you squish one on your skin, you'll find it very uncomfortable for a day.

Tree frogs got imported to Hawaii from the Virgins, and are absolutely ruining real estate there. One frog is like a police whistle in your ear, and there are ZILLIONS of them in the rain forest. Down below where its deserty, there aren't any -- but one can hear the mountain screeching all night. They shut up when the rains stop. Let's put it this way, one can't answer the phone, listen to the radio or watch television at night -- and one wears earplugs the minute it gets dark. That's why the tourist season in Rico and VI is JAN-MAY. In May the rains come or, rather, the FROGS! (They're like the size of your thumbnail, too!!!)

Did I mention big black friendly furry tarantulas [Big Grin] ? I don't mind those, but I don't dig around rocks with bare hands -- or pick up boards or poke into holes or anything; that's the scorpions.
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
NB: Margurite and I are the only ones who actually LOOK like dogs here [Big Grin] ! I'm a sheep dog and she's a poodle.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"So now where's your picture, KL? Won't the Kennel Club release it?"

It's back at the beginning of this thread. Page 1.

The Red Pearl aka Janis Joplin's Revenge

But ye gotta join me pyrate crew to see; it's on a yahoogroups site. No obligation. In fact, the crew has for months been in more or less suspended animation with occasional obligatory dirty jokes (subconscious rumblings) and musical references (think of it as cryogenic Music On-Hold).

So ye ask to join; I click reply; you're allowed to see pics of me and asociated stuff. However, you might like Long Tom and Clogges and me, aka Oz. Come winter time, when things are darkened for us temperate climate pirates, we hang out at the Mars Bar and hallucinate as best we can. Clogges is not heavy on big intellect but great with a pun and is a veteran survivor from the original Liverpool scene. Had the misfortune to be promo manager for The Who during their early 70s tours.

Long Tom's a former history professor or something like that. He's a fair dinkum thinkum who likes to cuss when he doesn't understand what's going on but is quick to recognize a rhetorical misstep and is really a fine fun fencing foil.

Hey: what's the difference betweena faggot and refrigerator?

A fridge doesn't fart when you pull your meat out...
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
KL:

Books can be deceiving! Not one single person looks like his or her posts. None is wearing a halo, drooling, or has his head on backwards [Big Grin] !

I tried to subscribe, but that didn't work; so I'll try sign in. But I'm already signed in to Yahoo [Confused] . Well, here goes ...
 
Posted by Locus (Member # 540) on :
 
cperry,

You seem like the perfect candidate for the old "pop your veil off and pour several thousand drones inside your suit" trick [Smile]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Locus, if that's anything like some of the crap they pull on Fear Factor...um, probably not! [Smile]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
cperry, weird we really are on the same wave-length. I just met a guy from Australia yesterday that was on Fear Factor. [Smile]

KE
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
I've only seen the show a couple of times because my son watched it (when we had tv) and it was on at the gym (multiple tvs -- you watch whatever your equipment is facing while you count and lift), but I really think it should be renamed Gross Out Factor. And I heard that they did this episode with a parent and a child. Now how can that be healthy???

Did the guy you met win?
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
No, made it to the final two and lost. I don't watch it either because of the gross out factor. Just weird you mentioned it and I just met him. Even weirder because I just mentioned Locke And Demosthenes when you were just thinking about them. For the few people that don't follow mine and cperry's conversations from thread to thread. [Wink]

KE
 
Posted by Locus (Member # 540) on :
 
cperry,

It's an old shock trick. The drones don't have stingers but they still look like a swarm of scary bees.

You don't inflict the bees ON the victim. You pour them on yourself.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Ah, yes, I'd be an excellent candidate. I do have some skill at mastering my first reflexes, but I have to have enough warning!
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
KE, I thought of that when you wrote the wavelength bit. I like those occasional moments of mutual understandings; perhaps they're not as coincidental as they might seem.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
The last time i did public ed with the hissing cockroaches, i heard "those are those things on fear factor" about 900 times until i thought i was going to lose it.

because really, we should only learn about things that are on fear factor.

i refuse to watch that show because it promotes the notion that insects are gross/icky/fearsome and that eating them is punishment. for many cultures, eating them is DINNER.
 
Posted by Richard Dey (Member # 1727) on :
 
SB: Are there any insects on the Favorite Summer Meal thread? Are crawfish and lobsters insects?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I tried to subscribe, but that didn't work; so I'll try sign in. But I'm already signed in to Yahoo [Confused] . Well, here goes ..."

If you were the fella with the Tolkienesque nickname, I sent your approval earlier today. For some reason it didn't go through the first time.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
nope. crustaceans are in the same phylum, but that's it.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
O.k., I haven't been able to get a pic of me online, and I love showing off my children anyway, so here is a picture of my oldest daughter. Now, use your imaginations a little bit, give her short hair("Dorothy Hamill" cut, similar to cperry's) and age her a bit, and you'll know what I look like! Seriously, my "early" photos are nearly interchangeable with hers. BTW, she's also wearing one of MY old Renaissance Festival outfits in that pic; yes, I used to play in the SCA, and I worked several years at RenFest.

[ May 04, 2005, 04:25 AM: Message edited by: kidzmom ]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Wow, kidzmom - you're hot! I mean, your daughter err... uhh... (sheepishly lowers head and wanders off...)
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Kewl! Didn't know this thread existed. Here's my kids:

http://www.pwrfc.org/photos/babyshots/Jack04.jpg

(The World's Greatest Kid. For some reason in the last two years he has forgotten how to smile on cue. He now bares his teeth. He must get that from me.)

http://www.pwrfc.org/photos/babyshots/Olivia04.jpg

(My daughter The Thug. She weighs 20 pounds now, and is quite fierce. She definitely gets that from my mom.)

These are not the greatest pictures in the world, and they're from last fall. Getting some film developed this week and will try to upload them onto ImageShack (thanks, ED!)
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Funean, Kidzmom - Beautiful children, all! They won't have to worry about your not buckling them into the cart at grocery stores (did ya see that thread??).
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Thanks, cperry. Yes, I saw that thread. Very sad.

Hey, saw your picture too, when I was looking over this thread during a.m. coffee. You're a hottie! And so's your husband!

(the bisexual menace..dah dum dah dum dum dum DUM)

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Funean: thanx for taking over a bit from my role as Oaficial Orneryan Lecher. Yeah, she's an elegant siren, ain't she? Als, glad to see The Quack step in with a little heavy breathing of his own.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
No problem, kenmeer. Someone had to do it, even if I was only chiming in on the naughty remarks you already made. Where ya been, anyway? Are you aware that you already have one vote for presidential nominee in my new Ornery Party? (by gum, I'm going to keep that thread going. see if I don't).

We need an answer by Thursday, so we can put it to the quorum (which we'll get, somehow).
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Thank goodness I got the hand grenade back, so I can decide what the quorum is [Wink]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Very good! Does that make you the bailiff?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Umm, sure. I can look threatening, and say "Yes, Your Honor" in a fake accent.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Quartermaster? Seargent-at-arms?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I've always wanted the right to bare arms [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Only if they're shapely.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
How're yours?
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
"The Quack" hmmm...? (plotting the long and unpleasant yet interesting demise of the insomniac arhtritic non-sequitur)
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Lovely, of course.

And it's nothing personal. It's just a rule, like no white shoes after Labor Day.

[Wink]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Well, then I think my right to bare arms should mean that I can insist yours are bare (unless it's too cold - I'm not CRUEL, just insensitive!)
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Hrm. Kidzmom, your daughter will be fighting the boys off with a stick. I hope your hubby isn't as protective of his daughers as I think I'll turn out to be... otherwise she's gonna be in a world of trouble as a teen.

Beautiful kids, Funean.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
LOL, actually, Ev--we leave that to her husband now. [Wink] She's 21, and they have a beautiful (of course) baby boy. And yes, the teen years were rough--guys were hitting on her by the time she turned 13. Things would've been worse, but we went for "courtship/committed dating" as opposed to the standard "free-for-all". Anyway, 2 more (beautiful! [Big Grin] ) girls to go--but 2 boys, first!

Funean--dollbabies! How old?

[ May 04, 2005, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: kidzmom ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Wow. She's 21? Either that picture is old, or she looks REALLY young...
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
Kidzmom needs to send her daughters to OrneryCon. [Wink]

msquared
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
If only I were ten years younger [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Someone endorsed ME? That's SO sad...

Kidzmom's husband will surely follow Kidzmom's lead in guiding their daughters through the Biological Imperative.

She's smart and knows a LOT about getting laid: that's why he MARRIED her! She tells him what to do AND keeps his hormones happy. Ah, the contented life of a well-indulged serf. He's a lucky man.

Can't you hear her now? Giving him a lewd look and saying, "Let's go goatie, huh?"
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
IF only her daugher wasn't married!

Not that I think kidzmom would approve of me for her daughter.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
*sigh* O.k., here's the deal... Cait did some modeling for the TPPA (Tx Prof. Photographers' Assn.) week-long school 2 years ago. She was 19 at the time, already married, and how she posed was between her, her hubby, and the photographer. Her daddy still hasn't seen the b&w one [Eek!] .
KEN--listen up!! I'm standing over you with a VERY large baseball bat, and I ain't afraid to use it! This is a fairly standard shot:
here

This next one is not work safe. Keep your tongues in your mouth guys. BTW, the only reason I'm posting these is because she's already posted them online at another forum where we hang out. And I trust y'all. I think [Frown]
and here
I do have a disk with some candid shots of the whole family, but our disk drive's not working [Mad] , so I can't download'em.

[ May 04, 2005, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: kidzmom ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I don't think I can honestly keep my tongue in my mouth. Your daugher is very beautiful.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Not fair.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Geez, fundies sure have changed since I was coming up! [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Your daughter has definitely got the whole Renaissance Ideal of Woman thing down. Tell her I said she looks like a Botticelli.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
LOL@Ev...and sweetie, you're wonderful...a prince...you're right, we wouldn't! [Big Grin]
jav--ah, youth! [Wink]
msquared--HAH!! Not!!
Ken--My hubby loves me for my mind. Of course, he lusts after...my mind! [Big Grin] We often have deep, esoteric dialogues into the wee hours (usually when we're cleaning up after a sick kid, y'know?). I resent your implication that I keep him enslaved; he's quite free to chart his own course, sail his own ship. He's the head of our family (of course, I'm the neck! [Razz] )
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I hope she appreciates the fact that you have us all slobbering over her [Smile]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"LOL@Ev...and sweetie, you're wonderful...a prince...you're right, we wouldn't! "

See? I'm smart like that [Smile] I know when I'm not wanted!(Always important for an unmarried male).
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Someday, I too will have your wisdom, Everard [Wink]
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
LOL, Funean--I will be the first to admit we're...different...from most people's image of...whatever. I was raised Southern Baptist, in a conservative Republican family. I also started doing theatre when I was a kid, majored in it for 2 yrs.--before changing to Anthropology--worked Renaissance Festivals, sang at clubs, played D&D, hung out at sci-fi cons...oh, and worked for the college Republicans, went on mission trips with our youth group, sang in church...I live to confuse and confound stereotyping! [Wink]

Yes, OpsanusTau, I think so too. We both have that "historical" look, if you will. I've always loked better in costume than in current fashions. You should see some other shots she had done in costume--they make that one look like a Polaroid snapshot.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I know what you mean by the "historical" look. I look extremely weird in what passes for stylish dress now--e.g., clothes for women who are a straight line from shoulder to knee. Until I had Livy I had a 16 inch differential between my waist and my (giant, horrifying) rear end (now it's only 12 [Frown] ). It makes buying pants very hard. At my college we celebrated a medieval May Day every year, and it was the only time I looked right [Smile] .

And thanks to all for your kind remarks about my kids. I will try to get some current pics up, just 'cause I can't miss an opportunity to show them off. I'm worse than a grandparent.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"*sigh* O.k., here's the deal... Cait did some modeling for the TPPA (Tx Prof. Photographers' Assn.) week-long school 2 years ago. She was 19 at the time, already married, and how she posed was between her, her hubby, and the photographer. Her daddy still hasn't seen the b&w one .
KEN--listen up!! I'm standing over you with a VERY large baseball bat, and I ain't afraid to use it! This is a fairly standard shot:
here

This next one is not work safe. Keep your tongues in your mouth guys. BTW, the only reason I'm posting these is because she's already posted them online at another forum where we hang out. And I trust y'all. I think
and here
I do have a disk with some candid shots of the whole family, but our disk drive's not working , so I can't download'em.

[ May 04, 2005, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: kidzmom ]"

Uhhh...don't you think it's kind of weird to post semi-nude pictures of your daughter on a public forum? No offense, but I would be mortified if my Mom posted a picture like that of me (if it existed) online.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Token internet "ZOMG GOTH" photo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/pvc1.jpg

"I'm a boy" photo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/bench.jpg

In my prime:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/flex01_e.jpg

Also in my prime:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/spandex.jpg

Ah, I'm such a narcissist. I have lots of pictures that I post on these sorts of things.

And Funean - I know what you mean. I have a 12-inch difference between my waist and my bum, and egads is it hard to find pants! ((It used to be a 14-inch difference, but the waist is a bit different now....))
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I simply oppose safe-sex indoctination on its own, or as a replacement or alternative to marriage indoctrination."

I can't call you The Drake; someone already has that. It's a term of royalty. You bear direct lineage to the founding Disney toons.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FIJC:
quote:
"*sigh* O.k., here's the deal... Cait did some modeling for the TPPA (Tx Prof. Photographers' Assn.) week-long school 2 years ago. She was 19 at the time, already married, and how she posed was between her, her hubby, and the photographer. Her daddy still hasn't seen the b&w one .
KEN--listen up!! I'm standing over you with a VERY large baseball bat, and I ain't afraid to use it! This is a fairly standard shot:
here

This next one is not work safe. Keep your tongues in your mouth guys. BTW, the only reason I'm posting these is because she's already posted them online at another forum where we hang out. And I trust y'all. I think
and here
I do have a disk with some candid shots of the whole family, but our disk drive's not working , so I can't download'em.

[ May 04, 2005, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: kidzmom ]"

Uhhh...don't you think it's kind of weird to post semi-nude pictures of your daughter on a public forum? No offense, but I would be mortified if my Mom posted a picture like that of me (if it existed) online.
I have semi-nude pictures of my mother on my computer, but she would kill me if they were ever released anywhere.

((It was for a reference for an art project. She was wearing pearls and a pink, glittery tiara.))
 
Posted by Digger (Member # 2341) on :
 
Ok, kids:

Youngest

Middle

Eldest, on the right, I don't know that other kid...

All three together

In about 10 years, I'm planning to build a shack in the backyard where I will live 1 week/month.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh, come on, Lisa...not even *one* naked picture? You know, the bar *has* been raised.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
" I resent your implication that I keep him enslaved; he's quite free to chart his own course, sail his own ship. He's the head of our family (of course, I'm the neck! [Razz] )"

Of course he does. You're a kind and benevloent master. He thinks for himself and goes where he pleases. But you navigate.

Just ask your daughter... ("Her daddy still hasn't seen the b&w one ")...but you have.

Accept the title, ma'am. A woman like you rules the roost, and a wise man follows happily. Not in servitude but in admiration.

Funean: "and my (giant, horrifying) rear end"

Giant horrifting rear ends make the world go round. Real women wear asses. Consider yours kissed... chastely. (*I save my passionate butt smooches for my wife's giant horrifying rear end, which is a treasure all unto mah own bad self.)

"No offense, but I would be mortified if my Mom posted a picture like that of me (if it existed) online."

Our children's mortification is one of life's few rewards for putting up with raising them.

Oh, Kidzmom: it ain't your daughter I lust for. Jist you, ma'am, jist you. Put that baseball bat down and button your shirt, you saucy wench. You're showing... [Wink]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Digger - just put them all on birth control with alternating cycles.

That's what we did in my family [Smile]

Also, forgot about AIM - username is "The Lisa Faerie" if any of y'all want to talk to me that way.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Fun - I don't have the naked pictures on this computer, they're on my sister's.

The ones of both mom and me, now that I come to think of it.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"h, come on, Lisa...not even *one* naked picture? You know, the bar *has* been raised"

Hrm. I don't think anyone would appreciate it if we all started posting naked pictures.

Well, ok, maybe I lie... I'd love it if some of our gorgeous ornery women posted naked pictures [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
"Eldest, on the right, I don't know that other kid... "

But is the other one one of yours, or not?

[Smile]

Beautiful, gorgeous children! No pickup!
 
Posted by Digger (Member # 2341) on :
 
"Digger - just put them all on birth control with alternating cycles."

Then I'm living out back full time...
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
And Fun, I forgot to mention earlier - your children are adorable. Don't worry about how Jake smiles (or bares his teeth) - it's better than always always making silly faces, right?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Digger:
"Digger - just put them all on birth control with alternating cycles."

Then I'm living out back full time...

No, you get used to the din.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
"Well, ok, maybe I lie... I'd love it if some of our gorgeous ornery women posted naked pictures"

Shh! OM will come with the mace!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Why would he do that?!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Excessive naughtiness. As in "maced and wrestled to the ground."

*blink*

Though, actually, naked pictures aren't *expressly* prohibited by the Forum Rules.

Hmm.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Oh, it's hard to wrestle me to the ground.

Unless you figure out where I'm ticklish.

... or mace me in the face [Smile]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I did get that impression from those pictures.

*is not ticklish. No. Really. I'm not... stay away from there!*
 
Posted by Digger (Member # 2341) on :
 
"Beautiful, gorgeous children! No pickup!"

Thanks, their mom did all the hard work.


"But is the other one one of yours, or not?"

Not that I know of.

[ May 04, 2005, 07:24 PM: Message edited by: Digger ]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"Oh, it's hard to wrestle me to the ground.

Unless you figure out where I'm ticklish.

... or mace me in the face"

So, do you seriously, like wrestle?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FIJC:
quote:
"Oh, it's hard to wrestle me to the ground.

Unless you figure out where I'm ticklish.

... or mace me in the face"

So, do you seriously, like wrestle?
I did. I don't anymore, though. They don't have wrestling at my college and I busted up my knee so the physical therapist threatened to beat me if I ever wrestled again.

So now I play rugby instead [Smile]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Okay, I don't know anything about wrestling. Did you wrestle boys, or just girls?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I was on my high school boys' team, but was on a girls' team during the off-season. So I wrestled both.

It's not that bad, really. You're split up by weight. The only problem is that boys are allowed to go down to 7% body fat, and girls can only go to 12% ((haha! Only. I never got nearly that low.)), so a cut male wrestler will have more muscle/pound than a girl wrestler.

But we have stronger legs, so it works out in the end.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
12% body fat is really, really low. I don't think it would be safe for most girls to go that low.

The only sport I ever tried playing in school was soccer, which I was okay at, until I figured out that we had to play in the RAIN too. Seriously, that never seemed reasonable to me.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
" The only problem is that boys are allowed to go down to 7% body fat"

Well, I guess now I'm doubly glad I didn't try to wrestle in high school. I never got over 5% body fat in high school *dodges projectiles and blunt objects*
 
Posted by QuidNunc (Member # 2405) on :
 
in the interest of full disclosure (and not full exposure):

http://averill.blogs.friendster.com/photos/everything/
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Lol, so pictures aren't as fun to look at if we don't know who the people are. Friends? Family?
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
My question is, where's all the male beef-cake?

The tasteful soft-focus and above all artistic (heck, I'd even settle for artful) shots of Ornery men in various stages of deshabille.

All we've got so far is KE in front of a fireplace, WP on a hilltop in not one but two tee-shirts and an out of focus canadian.

Oh, and Lisa in a wrestling singlet. Not male, no, but the singlet is the best we've got so far.

BTW, Lisa, love the formal wear shot - you look great and you just know it. I would wrestle you any day. [Wink]
 
Posted by OrneryMod (Member # 977) on :
 
All naked pictures of the women of Ornery should be sent to my e-mail address first. For review. Yeah that's it, for review. They should be high resolution, top quality pics.

I also accept MPG's. [Big Grin]

OrneryMod
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Hey, I've got a picture somewhere on here!

I've got more pictures of me, too. I do sexy pictures. But not gonna post them here. Don't trust some of you guys not to laugh [Razz]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
my link above doesn't work anymore (i thought this thread was dead!)...

so here:
the sb.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Sorry Donald, I don't do pics without a wife-beater on underneath. It's a comfort issue.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Ev, there are two pictures of you here (I know, I searched high and low for BEEFCAKE MEN HOT HOT PICS!! but unfortunately, yours could only be used as an advertisement for the Boy Scouts of America (yes Richard, I know, I know)
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I know. Like I said, I don't trust everyone here not to laugh. If you want beefcakeage, you need to email me and tell me how sexy I am. Then I'll think about it. Or, in your case Donald, run and hide from the scary canadian [Smile]
 
Posted by Digger (Member # 2341) on :
 
"My question is, where's all the male beef-cake?"

You brought this on yourself:
me, in bunny ears
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
The sb: I noticed a lot of the links were now dead, so I was very disappointed when I clicked on your first post link.

All those posts with kenmeere and the boys fighting over you, and all I got was the dreaded "error 404" message. I just checked your new link - wow - I 'm still having heart palpitations. I can't make up my mind whether you think beautifully and look smart or vice versa.

[/flirt] [Smile]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Digger - OK, that's a start. I assume we just can't see the bunny tail from this angle. But you lose beefcake points for the cell...

Ev, I believe that is a challenge that I just might take you up on - blue prose at twenty paces!
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Gawd, Lisa M., my daughter SO wants your biceps! My guewss is she thinks you're just plain HOT, too. Me? The old guy? I think you're kinda cute -- for a young'un.

I like your wrestling shot best of all. You have an exquisitely balanced body... and the biceps pose shows you've gotta cute tush, too.

Rugby? You ARE insane, darlin'
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
*laugh* I never thought I'd see the day. It's a good thing my wife doesn't post here, or I'd feel compelled to link to the semi-nudes I have of her. [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
If someone will suggest a free site for posting pix, I'll submit some 4-year old pix of meself.

If I can borrow a digicam, I think I'll let my daughter dress me up seriously silly (she has a gift for making a fool of me) and will share them. Oldsters among us will recall the sailors from SOUTH PACIFIC wearing grass skirts with coconuts for falsies...

"I don't do pics without a wife-beater on underneath"

In 60s Chicago, we called 'em "dago-T's", for old Italians sitting on their front steps of an evening in boxer shorts and sleeveless t-shirt.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"kenmeere and the boys fighting over you"

I was so NOT fighting over her! I was just frankly admiring her.
 
Posted by Digger (Member # 2341) on :
 
"But you lose beefcake points for the cell..."

I know, I know - I was technically working at the time.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"*laugh* I never thought I'd see the day. It's a good thing my wife doesn't post here, or I'd feel compelled to link to the semi-nudes I have of her."
Hey Tom! How are you doing?

quote:
"In 60s Chicago, we called 'em "dago-T's", for old Italians sitting on their front steps of an evening in boxer shorts and sleeveless t-shirt."
You're from Chicago? I grew up in Illinois and went to school in River Forest.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
ken, I believe there was a site listed earlier on the thread... yup
quote:
If anyone needs a place to post a picture, just go here.

It's quick, easy, and free.

I'll see if I can't find a picture of me somewhere. I think I saw one on the wall at my parents' place... that seemed to show a lot of skin...
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Me at Fenway
 
Posted by QuidNunc (Member # 2405) on :
 
sorry y'all that link was vague...anyway, i'm the tall brunette. the one that's in the few pictures of just one person. yeah...rest are mostly friends from college or law school. i think there are a few shots w/ sister & cousins.
 
Posted by The Drake (Member # 2128) on :
 
Everard,

I'm only going to ask you once. Why do you look like my brother?
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Hrm. Its only a slight resemblance
 
Posted by The Drake (Member # 2128) on :
 
Close enough to be mistaken in a lineup with the glasses on. I'll keep that in mind, in case my bro gets in trouble with the law.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
haha. specially ask for me to be in the lineup with him, huh?

I usually don't wear glasses, which might make it tough for your brother.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
okay, these are old (2003, immediately post-baby) and rather bad but here they are:

[IMG]http://img222.echo.cx/img222/8238/sleepbutnoshower5bl.th.jpg[/IMG]]Sleep but no shower

[IMG]http://img222.echo.cx/img222/9471/whoneedssleep7qb.th.jpg[/IMG]]No sleep, but showered

[IMG]http://img222.echo.cx/img222/1116/mineallmine2kz.th.jpg[/IMG]]Mine! All mine!

[URL=[IMG]http://img222.echo.cx/img222/2690/aboyandhislizard2jw.th.jpg[/IMG]]A boy and his lizard
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
So it doesn't. Try again.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
[IMG]http://img13.echo.cx/img13/1074/mvc013f6hs.th.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://img13.echo.cx/img13/3326/mvc012f9kd.jpg[/IMG]

Maybe this time?
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
The first one worked, Ken. That site is...hard to work.

Bizarre. You look exactly--I mean exactly as I pictured you would, right down to the rakish/dissolute hair and beard. That never happens.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Rakish? Dissolute? So much for dashing and windblown... [Wink]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course. Aren't they synonyms?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
But I really like the piano. Let's see if it works.

[img=http://img13.echo.cx/img13/3326/mvc012f9kd.th.jpg]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
digger: i win the bunny ears contest.

more from the sb "i take pictures of myself in the bathroom b/c my camera flash makes me look demonic" collection

edit: the sparkley thing in the tongue is the piercing... my tongue is blue from eating copious quantities of candy while studying for a test.

[ May 04, 2005, 11:21 PM: Message edited by: simplybiological ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Heh.

I nominate you the official Ornery Party Killer Bunny Mascot.

By the way, we have the same glasses. Ergo, they must be cool. I <heart> the evil schoolmarm/naughty librarian look.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"You're from Chicago? I grew up in Illinois and went to school in River Forest."

Da boibs, huh? I grew up between Montrose and Lawrence, Kimball and Pulaski. Albany Park. End of the ravenswood Line.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
the EXACT same? because if you have glasses from some denmark design company, we are totally twins.

i definitely rock the hot-for-teacher thing... at least, i hope i do. the last picture was my stern face.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course. Aren't they synonyms?"

It's just that the truth hurts, ma'am. Dissolute is my middle name.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Probably not the exact same, then, since mine are the "cheapest-thing-Pearle-Vision-carried-that-my-crappy-insurance-covers" version. But very, very similar in appearance.

You can't tell from the pictures, but at that time my hair went to my waist and was normally worn in a severe, yet sloppy bun. It's now just past shoulder length, and normally in a severe, yet sloppy bun. With my spiffy austere glasses and spike heels, I am very happy.

I got the stern face. It's the eyebrow that does it.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
SB, you are adorable.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Ken, can you not be familiar with romantic conventions? Dissolute is hot, as in "romantic wastrel."
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
funean- heh. mine are the "i can't believe i get a $140 frame allowance on my insurance... show me the fancy glasses, sir, i spare no expense!" version.

i just bought this pair of black and white tweed kitten heels with a roundish-squarish toe that go nicely with an a-line skirt and my hot pink faux-alligator handbag... i called my boyfriend yesterday after i bought them and said, "ryan, i have new shoes, i need to go somewhere" and he replied, "k, will dinner suffice? maybe coffee after?" without skipping a beat. that's the kind of man i need. he totally dresses better than i do.

edit: thanks lisa. i try (and by try i mean take pictures from arty angles).

[ May 04, 2005, 11:47 PM: Message edited by: simplybiological ]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I realized the other day that I have 19 pairs of shoes at school.

And I always feel like I don't have enough.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Shoes will never betray you. Doesn't matter how bloated or scrawny you are on a given day, shoes remain your loyal friends.

There is no such thing as "too many shoes."
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
It is when you lack storage space for them and they block everything else.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
lisa- i have upwards of 50 and i don't have enough.

i have discovered a virtual trove of shoe glory by shopping at the goodwill in the rich people neighborhood...these women get rid of barely-worn designer shoes and i get them for 7.99. i recently acquired some black patent leather italian shoes with a vague 80s-tasticness to them that i wear with great irony. ooooh i heart shoes. funean, we should go accessory shopping.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I wanna go, too!

But not right now, because I'm lacking the money. Though I did buy an accessory today. It's a very pretty purple silk scarf with green, black, and silver accents. And I'd take a picture, but my batteries seem to be completely and utterly dead.

Trust me, it's pretty.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
We'll organize an expedition! Let's see, I'm in Philadelphia, simplybio's in Austin (I think); Lisa, where are you?

I will never outgrow my addiction to thrift stores. When I lived in the city I lived right.next.door. to the Salvation Army thrift shop. There was a constant flow of goods between it and my house. And, I was doing good shopping there! When my sweetie was pregnant with Jack, I'd run next door and trade up to the next size of stretchy pants as needed.

And they had 14 shelves of books for 25 cents apiece .
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Alas, since my back surgery, my shoes of choice are very simple, black Danskos (the "professional" model). Wonderful for my feet and back. Not so great for my psyche. I'm longing for the chance to get back into fun, strappy sandals, pointy-toed spikes, roach-stomping mules....
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Yeah, since I messed up my knee and back, I have to be very picky about what shoes I wear.

I'm in Western New York right now, soon to be in Central New York for a few months.

You know, I live very close to a Sally's, but I almost never go there. I wonder why.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
oh, cperry, you poor dear. Never fear; flat doesn't have to mean boring:


http://store.nordstrom.com/category/cat_medium.asp?category=2376778~2372808~2372904&cm_ven=google&cm_cat=search&cm_pla=generic&cm_ite=flat_shoes

Lisa, we're practically neighbors, at least compared to Austin. The Salvy (as we call it) varies wildly from place to place. The one near where I live now is a grim and dingey place; the one in Center City (in the gay ghetto) is where I got my pink-rhinestone-encrusted computer mouse. So mileage varies greatly.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Okay, here's a current picture, where the children are their actual sizes and I am not showing the effects of 39 hours of labor [Smile] . Please ignore the starburst effect low in the picture. It is the result of taking a picture of a picture with my nifty new digital camera, since I haven't got any current pics on the computer yet. (we need a dork smiley, too)

[IMG]http://img42.echo.cx/img42/227/img00219wp.th.jpg[/IMG]


Edited to add that it is sorta cool that the baby appears to have a pet fire ball. or perhaps she's a caster already.

[ May 05, 2005, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: Funean ]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Funean, you have a lovely family.

Who knew that Ornery was really the forum for beautiful people? Y'all are very pretty (in your respectively manly and womanly ways).
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Thank you, Ops! It is the only picture in existance where we all look reasonable.

I was noting that everyone was awfully good looking last night, too. I wonder if that impression is informed by the fact that I like most of the people who posted pictures?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
I've got to admit that simplybiological looks exactly like the kind of girl I used to spend enormous amounts of time trying to date when in college. *laugh*

And kenmeer and I have exactly the same piano. *blinks in amazement* He looks more like Richard Branson and less like Popeye's dad than I imagined, though.

[ May 05, 2005, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Here is a picture of Me and a fish (and also someone else). You can't really actually see me very well, and I definitely don't look pretty, but hot damn that fish is beautiful! I was a very, very happy woman that day.

You have to scroll all the way down to the bottom. The fish is an Atlantic sturgeon (Acipenser oxyrhynchus). I am the girl on the left with the very trendy glasses and even more trendy hip waders.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i think ornery has the market cornered on girls with trendy glasses.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
For a second I thought you were outing yourself as Governor Pataki [Eek!] .
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Tee hee. No, but I met him that day, and I released more fish than he did...I think.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
39 hours! [Eek!] Funny, I didn't notice anything but the most startling clear, blue eyes...

Wonderful family, F, and you wash up pretty, too!

ken, I'm impressed that your wife managed to tame you. You were obviously a bad, bad boy.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
[Embarrassed]

Yeah, 39 hours <shudder>. And that thing about "you forget the pain?" Lies. One wonders why there is such a word as "sibling" in the language. One more advantage of SSM--you don't have to carry all the kids, or any, in the case of men.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
OpsanusTau - thanks for the directions to scroll down. I thought the first pic that came up was you!
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
So, how is it that Ornery attracts so many beautiful and intelligent women?

Now, we just need to shift that focus a little to "beautiful, intelligent, unattached women living in Portland, Oregon", and I'll REALLY be happy [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well, one of my very best friends is an anthropologist at Intel (really!) in Portland. She's Australian and a redhead like me. She's the BOMB.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
What kind of anthropology does she do for Intel in Oregon?

"We see here the male engineer in his natural habitat, the cubicle...."
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Heh. It's actually very cool stuff. She travels all over the world doing ad hoc ethnography in order that Intel products and services might better line up with the needs of various people and how they use Intel things.

Here is an article about her:

http://www.intel.com/technology/techresearch/people/bios/bell_g.htm
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I whip her out, figuratively speaking, whenever people tell me liberal arts degrees are worthless outside of academia. [Smile]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Well, if she'd be interested in meeting a 31 year old programmer who works three jobs (two for companies he works for) and has an insane dog, and you vouch for her.... [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"ken, I'm impressed that your wife managed to tame you. You were obviously a bad, bad boy."

Actually, I was mostly pretty good but a very very lost soul.

Indeed, being rather 'pure' yet definatly committed to intellectually honest freedom consistently found me pushed by society itself to the fringes of its safe harbors, picking spare changefrom the gutters and "pinning medals on cigar butts" (old line from dear dead Charly).

She (my wife) had the clarity of vision to see the good in me. I would probably have died had she not met me.

Anyway, I was a flop at being a rake and a libertine and was by no stretch a lady's man. The degree of sexual malnourishment I endured in my 20s was astonishing. A 10-year old with a cool set of Hot Wheels got laid more than I did...

My biggest problem was I assumed women wanted to be treated like (ahem) ladies. Oh, they like it, but they usually sleep with the fella whose manners are somewhat lacking but who is very confident of his masculinity. For example, sb has confessed being drawn to alpha males.

Ironically, in my 30s, I became an alpha male of sorts on my own (a process of internal psychological mutation largely based on my near total contempt for my fellow gender members whose homophilia was a cartoon version of true male camaraderie and whose machismo was based more on fear of appearing less than manly, a sort of self-directed homophobia). And so, ironically, in the early years of my marriage, when my looks were still in place (and my abs were honed by 15 years of hobohood into those that TV adverts digitally fake, and my forearms morphed by roustaboput jobs and picking fruit into Popeye's), and my social chops had been force-grown by the hot-house of hitch-hiking and street-life on the day-to-day surface while their roots were being nourished by the likes of Updike, Chesterton, S.J. Perelmann, Loren Eisley et cetera, I was fighting off women with a stick. I had become a charming rake even though, like Sideshow Bob, I was always stepping on myself.

There was of course, that scent of another woman on me that almost always makes other woman take one more seriously, sexually speaking. But it was a pain, I tell you. The last time a woman ever made aggressive advances at me (she knew I was married) was when I help up my ring and said, "Look, you ****ing ****, you CAN'T."

Since then women have flirted with me respectfully, as it should be. Most of us want to fornicate with virtually every desirable person we meet, as is meet in the eyes of Evolution and God in whose image we are cast, but there's a VAST difference (and a vas deferens too) between saying 'I wanna I wanna' and saying, 'I most certainly can't and WON'T but if I could you'd be delicious'.

Being married is like being on a diet, the kind that folks go on after having a quadruple bypass: SERIOUS.

I only eat one vagina in this lifetime, thank y'all very much. But if it weren't for the severe nature of this diet that is so salubrious to the health of my human happiness (I'm a pair-bonder by nature even despite the incessantly philanderous yearnings of my Biological Imperarive), I would greatly enjoy life's smorgasbord and die with a slice of mon cheri pie on my face...

...and yes, Funean, you have exquisitely diabolical blue eyes combining the purity of a clear spring morn and your daughter's freshly minted soul as viewed through her own magically optical glazing, but yours are framed in a set of lascivious features whose delight in being alive are enhanced by the addition of a few worry lines... as for freckles: gumdrops. Itty bitty ones. Sadly, I've noticed that freckles rarely splay a lady's thighs. But one can pretend.

Ladies, regarding shoes: yes, there's no denying the varying degrees of salacious glory provided by the many gradations of heel and styles of strapping invoked by pumps ranging from 'wink at me' to '**** me', but I assure you they mean nothing to all but the most puerile human beings.

The single most sexy thing is waring what you LIKE, and feeling like yourself. Lookit your big 'horridly huge' rump, grasp it's bounteous buttocks in both hands, aim it at the mirror, squeeze a smile out of it and remind yourself that no matter what your inner snob of a critic might say, you're just plain HOT.

Then let that smile drift up toward your face and settle it into place with a happy skyward sigh.

See that smile on Opsansus' face? Despite the shape-shifting waders, that smile is SEXY. We men have this bizarre belief that we can satisfy a woman. (Bizarre because, in certain respects, it is SO true, and truth is ever bizarre;). This being the case, a beatific smile like O's suggests to us that if we can give Miss O a really Big O, we'll be rewarded by such a smile. The last thing we'll see before we drift into obvlivious bliss and snore into your armpit... or legpit, depending on certain variables...

...men who don't respond to a smile like that probably aren't much fun anyway...

"And kenmeer and I have exactly the same piano. *blinks in amazement* He looks more like Richard Branson and less like Popeye's dad than I imagined, though."

Really? It's an ancient, fantastically heavy thing with a tuning board that's about shot. But I plunk out some (slow) Satie on it sometimes.

Funean, my daughter had anole lizards when she was your son's age. She was also a champion frog-catcher. They all lived happily in the same stained-glass terrarium/lamp that hung by a chain in a sunny window until the day bright Daddi-o caught a garter snake and released it into the mix. The end of an era.

[ May 05, 2005, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Richard Branson"..

...hmmm. Actually, the celebrity I most resemble is Eric Clapton, with a strange odd dash of Henry Winkler thrown in when I grin. As soon as I grow enough hair back (I'm refletching from my annual head shave -- I cut my hair once a year whether I need to or not) to lose the Auschwitz look and it's successor, Some Old Guy with a Crewcut, and fluff out enough to resemble my normal Old Guy Trying to Look Younger persona, I;ll send some new pix.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Kenmeer, you're in Spokane? (I learned from another thread) That's so nice. I was in a (naked, out in the woods) hot spring last Sunday with an electrician from Spokane and his very pleasant girlfriend last weekend. They were telling me about some interesting restructuring of city affairs that's gone on recently - anyway, I like Spokane, and several of my extended family live there, and I'm always thrilled to run across (however virtually) people from somewhere near my Stomping Grounds.

As to the rest - I'm both blushing and flattered. And a little embarassed that the degree of enjoyment I get out of handling four-foot fish of threatened species is so patently obvious. [Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"the degree of enjoyment I get out of handling four-foot fish of threatened species is so patently obvious."

You know what they say about the size of a lady's stoijunn... just ask Petaki. He'll tell ye:

"Big fish is only half the battle. Keepin' it wigglin' while it's still oin the line is the main thing."

Naked in a hot tub. You just HAD to throw that in there, eh? Montana or the Kootenais or the Cascades? The sturgeon suggests Cascades...
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Flattered blushing goes well with fatter bush-ing. A skinny waist is fine but a woman's middle wants padding, I tellz yez.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Well. It wasn't a hot TUB, it was a hot SPRINGS, in the Idaho panhandle. (I am, sadly, not resident in the neighborhood currently, but I put my foot down every few months and return myself to the landscape of my heart, and incidentally spend some time with my family - in Missoula, as you seem to be curious)
One thing I like is that it's totally possible to be naked in a hot springs in the woods with ten complete (also naked) strangers, and have it be a socially normal situation.

The sturgeon was in Haverstraw Bay, in the great state of Yew Nork, my sometime (but no longer) place of residence & employment.
(Though one of the things I did in Missoula was watch a lot of wildlife documentaries at a film festival, and one was about fisherpeople and sturgeon in the Willamette valley, and I was both enthralled and horrified)

I will bypass completely your commentary about size of fish - I don't think I could possibly add anything.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Ken, you silver-tongued dog, you. [Wink]

Ops, he's right, you know. Even in 3/4s, the glee on your face is palpable.

I don't mind the big rump so much; I'm used to it (what my mother calls a firm foundation). What irks me is that, due to my giant baby who has become a teensy toddler [and that REALLY irks me], although I am still a size 8-10, my wardrobe relied on my wee chiseled waist that is no longer quite so wee, and now these clothes that are the right size NO LONGER FIT. [Mad]

That's why my dear loyal shoes mean so much to me.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh, and Javelin, she is intermittantly attached and formidable. But fun, if not for the faint-hearted. [Smile]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Grrr....don't you hate it when you miss out? All work and no Ornery browsing makes this Canadian a dull boy!

Most of the links up there don't seem to work anymore!
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
I love seeing all these pix. Almost getting up the nerve to put up one of mine...

Almost...
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Please, oh please! [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Oh, up in the Purcell Trench? Gawrsh, that's beautiful country. Aye, and peopled by sensible nature-lovers who love being naked almost as much as they're naked when they love.

"That's why my dear loyal shoes mean so much to me"

Ah. Feet endure. So do armpits. Everything else falls to pieces... except the fish and tackle, if one keeps in practice. The old fishing hole still has trout jumping in it if it's treated with catch'n'release respect and visited regularly [Wink]

And there is NOTHING sexier on Gawd's Green Hearth than a woman's belly given bungee marks and a pouting bulge where once it thrust forth a jeweled navel. Them experienced bellies with their stretch marks and shaded belly-buttons will wink (navel) and smile (never mind) while the stretch marks grin like dimples during times of groinal glee.

I can envision a woman 30-40 when I'm feeling kinda kinky (Funean makes me feel adventurous) but under 30? Uh-uh. Pedophilia ain't for me. (Sorry, sb; we were all children once and it was grand, but an Old Fart knows his place.)

Ain't it grand to be a human being? But... imagine how COOL it would be to be a Flying Squirrel.

A Silver-Tongued Flying Squirrel, no less.

Which reminds me. Today's Proverb:

reticence is the better part of valor
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
All the ones from last night and today still work on my computer. It's the really old ones, like SB's earliest, that are broke. But it's okay because she put up new, better ones.

We've decided that we're all very good looking.

[Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
By which I mean, OPL, you will be too. Put up a picture or be hounded mercilessly!

Ken, that is the best church sign I ever saw. Here is a place where you can make your own:

http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
That's because we're fabulous.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
My sons

aka:

The Dudes
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Canadian - your sons are adorable.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
Ain't it grand to be a human being? But... imagine how COOL it would be to be a Flying Squirrel.
That's funny. The Man I Live With says that, while staring out our kitchen window into the tree in our backyard, almost every day.

Maybe it's some kind of human universal. Anyone else?
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh my, yes indeed. There are going to be girls dangling from the eaves, trying to get at the windows.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Let us not forget the patron saint of flying squirrels, Rocket J. Squirrel. Even Our President tries to emulate him.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsquirrel.htm
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Great picture canadian. It looks like you'll have your hands full for a long time.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
http://img62.echo.cx/my.php?image=hands4zy.jpg

http://img62.echo.cx/my.php?image=self2vu.jpg

Pictures taken by the boyfriend with his telephone, which makes them a little lacking in quality.
At least no fish.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Nice hands! [Smile] (and the reputation of the beautiful women of Ornery continues!)

[ May 05, 2005, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: javelin ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I bet there's a sturgeon off-camera. You look too happy.

[Smile] Great pictures!


OPL, where are yours?
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Aww. Thanks.
What's actually off-camera is the Object of My Affection - who usually gets a reaction similar to my reaction to members of the class Osteichthyes.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Holy cow, I actually have a recent picture of myself? ((most of those posted were about a year old, from when my sister and I were both at home. She's a stellar photographer.))

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/purple.jpg

I wanted to show off the purple scarf that I bought, because we were talking about accessories earlier.

And Opsanus, you have a fantabulous smile, even in phone-pictures.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I want it, and your earrings, too.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
The earrings were a complete impulse-buy. I saw them, and went "THEY MUST BE MINE!"

But I was a good girl and waited a few hours before I went back and bought them.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
"But I was a good girl and waited a few hours before I went back and bought them" [Big Grin]

Funean, I think we'll have to arm-wrestle for those earrings. Besides, they would just be gilding the lily (and they match my complexion, too)
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
canadian, your offspring are cute. i am about to rock, and they salute me. i would totally take pictures like that if i had offspring.

as a note: my first link in the initial post is no longer rocking it, but i re-posted pictures and there's a link on page 7... i also posted bunny ear pictures (page 8) in order to throw down a bunny battle with digger.
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Alright...you asked for it.

About the only picture I have online is from my actor days, so we're talking about eight years ago...I'm older, fatter and knocked up now [Smile] !

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/ohpuhleez/hshot.jpg

I'd post pix of my kids, but they're only 23w2days old at this point [Big Grin] !

No cool glasses for me, I'm afraid [Frown] .
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Lisa - love those earrings - count me in for the earring smackdown.

Am I sensing a 2006 Women of Ornery calendar looming in the distant future??
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Hey, I'd be glad to purchase a calendar of scantily clad ornery women. Or even less then scantily clad! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
This thread is getting to be pretty hilarious...do I sense a lot of single and searching people here or what? lol.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Well, the pattern is once again unbroken. How do you argue with so much beauty? Thank goodness I can't see ya'all when I piss ya off [Smile]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Perhaps just a bunch of beautiful women, and men who appreciate beauty AND intellect? When do we get to see YOU, FIJC? [Smile]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Actually FIJC, I think most of the Ornery women (you, and I believe sb excluded?) are completely unavailable to the desperately-searching male Ornery population [Smile]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i'm not single, i just heart the digital camera.

if there is a calender, do we get to keep the profits?
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
1) I am not photogenic 2) I am not comfortable with the thought of posting my picture online

quote:
"Actually FIJC, I think most of the Ornery women (you, and I believe sb excluded?) are completely unavailable to the desperately-searching male Ornery population
Lol, well, I am very interested in someone...which would therefore, take me off the available list.

But uh...is anyone else here really, really glad that tomorrow is Friday? I don't know about you, but I am totally beat.

[ May 05, 2005, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: FIJC ]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Fair enough, FIJC, though disappointing [Smile]
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Single and searching? Married with twins on the way...and though I met the hubby online, we didn't see each other 'til we met, so...

To your other points, F: 1) Me either (I paid lots of money for those pictures [Smile] !!)
2) Me either...but PEER PRESSURE [Smile] !!!!

But I hear ya, totally - I have LOTS of friends who prefer to remain anonymous online.

Thanks, Jav.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
OPL: wow! very dramatic, very film noir (umm, I guess literally)

Did I imagine this, or do you have curly hair now?
 
Posted by Haggis (Member # 2114) on :
 
quote:
Actually FIJC, I think most of the Ornery women (you, and I believe sb excluded?) are completely unavailable to the desperately-searching male Ornery population
I certainly haven't seen any calls for a calendar for the men of Ornery.

I think pictures of our pets would have a higher market value. [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
donald-
i'm not available. i've been dating a film editor guy for over a month. he dresses far better than i do, always has good ideas about where to go out, and is smart/funny/nice. i intend to keep him for the time being.

FIJC- thursday is my friday. i'm doooone today.

[ May 05, 2005, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: simplybiological ]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
"i intend to keep him for the time being" ROFLMAO

On the other hand - watch out, FIJC, it sounds like no one's got your back...
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Donald - it's naturally curly, but normally I wear it straight.

Yeah, the dramatic headshot - really glad I'm not acting any more...ugh.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
OPL--not fat, dahling.."zaftig!" [Wink] Or, given your current condition, you could opt for "madonna-like" ! As for older--"experienced", or perhaps "prime" or "in full bloom" (certainly appropriate at the moment! [Big Grin] ) At any rate, we more experienced, lush brunettes have to stick together!

LisaM, OPL, et al--I think we're going to have to have an edition of "OA Smackdown" for those earrings! Hey, we could take a few shots for the upcoming "Women of Ornery 2006 Calendar"...wow... the possibilities are staggering...
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Mud wrestling smackdown photos...?
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"i intend to keep him for the time being."
SB, you're not serious, are you? I think that if you find a good, solid guy, you treat him like gold, and hold onto him for as long as you possibly can...only my two cents worth, of course. [Smile]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
kidzmom, you're going to have to try a bit harder to squeeze me out of the running for those earrings - and who the heck is Al? Granted, I would be way out of place on the calendar...
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
EV--color me shocked and dismayed!! Mud wrestling, indeed...nobody'd be able to see our FACES! And, after all, that IS what you want to see, isn't it? So you'll know what we look like? *innocent blink*
(n.b.to Ornery males--engage brain before posting, and think about it Verrrry carefully! [Big Grin] )
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Jello wrestling then...?

Of course we want to see your faces! And... other parts as well! So we know what you look like in many respects. After all, a beautiful woman is beautiful all over. Her face is only the most striking aspect of her beauty.

*hopes brain was engaged enough*
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
"n.b.to Ornery males--engage brain before posting, and think about it Verrrry carefully!"

G-G-G-Gaah (sound of Ornery het males trying to re-engage brains)

Good line, Ev.

[ May 05, 2005, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: DonaldD ]
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
Donald--sorry, I absolutely refuse to squeeze you--my hubby wouldn't approve! [Razz] But if you wanna wrestle for the earrings, bring it on! You can tackle Lisa first--that might make it easier for the rest of us. As far as al--if you're lucky, and very very good...maybe I'll introduce you sometime. [Cool]
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Kidzmom - or as a friend once said, "I am Rubinesque..."

:indicatesbreasts:

"...and these are my rubins!"

[Big Grin] !
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
About time, OPL. And you're a knockout.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
quote:
SB, you're not serious, are you? I think that if you find a good, solid guy, you treat him like gold, and hold onto him for as long as you possibly can...only my two cents worth, of course.
i'm being realistic... i don't typically have a great deal of difficulty "holding onto" someone- i am usually the break-uper rather than the break-upee. if not that, then a mutual agreement to part ways.

i'm not out to get married, nor are my wild oats completely sown... just because i've been with ryan for a bit and he's an awesome person doesn't mean we're going to (or should) last forever.

of course i'm joking when i say i'll "keep him"... he's not a pet. but the statement holds, yes, that i will continue to date him for the time being, until such time as... i don't want to anymore.
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Only if you stand too close to my rubins [Wink] !
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
OPL--ROFLOL Oh, I simply HAVE to meet you sometime! Of course, the two of us together could be pretty skeery...think we could stay on "neutral topics"? [Big Grin]
The world might not be ready for that!

sb--
quote:
i'm joking when i say i'll "keep him"... he's not a pet
*snicker* sorry, I'm in a decidedly whimsical frame of mind this afternoon...
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"i'm being realistic... i don't typically have a great deal of difficulty "holding onto" someone- i am usually the break-uper rather than the break-upee. if not that, then a mutual agreement to part ways.

i'm not out to get married, nor are my wild oats completely sown... just because i've been with ryan for a bit and he's an awesome person doesn't mean we're going to (or should) last forever.

of course i'm joking when i say i'll "keep him"... he's not a pet. but the statement holds, yes, that i will continue to date him for the time being, until such time as... i don't want to anymore."

I just think that the purpose of dating ought to be in order to find a suitable marriage partner. Outside of that, it is a great big waste of time and emotional energy. And I did not have the intention of thinking the worst of your attitude toward dating/the boyfriend either. [Smile] I have just seen waay too many girls who fool themselves into thinking that they have all this great power over their boyfriends when it is actually the other way around. There is no greater way to wear vulnerability on your sleeve.

[ May 05, 2005, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: FIJC ]
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Kidzmom - I think we'd be so busy talking kids, we wouldn't have time for the scary topics - the kids are scary enough [Smile] !
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
Only to break up the monotony of ornery women... [Big Grin]

Here's me, when I was younger.

http://www.lsg.musin.de/gesch/!daten-gesch/18jh/potemkin.gif [Wink]

[ May 05, 2005, 06:53 PM: Message edited by: potemkyn ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
*beats potemkyn with a wet noodle*

We KNOW thats not you. At least the rest of us are honest. [Razz]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
lol.

And as for available Ornery members, that's what I am.

And no tackling me for the earrings - what if you damage them, after all? Hmmmmmm?

And OPL - I <3 your headshot. You look like you have gorgeous thick hair.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Yes, my boys are handsome little buggers...it's the only reason they are still alive...

A calendar would be amazing! We could have stats and everything!

posts, registration dates, political bent, best posts, etc...

And recipes!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Ooo. Lisa is single... *beats the rush, hits on lisa* Hey baby. Nice tush. err. earrings. Err. posts!
 
Posted by FiredrakeRAGE (Member # 1224) on :
 
FJIC -

No, this week Thursday is my Friday - school is out for summer now [Smile] Now I've got a couple of weeks off before full time work.

With regard to dating - I don't date much myself (I'm just not a very social person), but it seems to me that it's not just to 'find a suitable marriage partner'. Dating allows you to socialize, it allows you to enjoy someone's company. It introduces you to their views on anything and everything, and is (above all) just fun sometimes.

--Firedrake
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I date people that I think I might be able to marry. And I'll stop dating someone when I know I can't. But the purpose of dating for me isn't to find someone to marry. Its as firedrake says. Dating is fun.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
quote:
I just think that the purpose of dating ought to be in order to find a suitable marriage partner. Outside of that, it is a great big waste of time and emotional energy.
ah, but see... the purpose of dating is to find out what you WANT in a potential marriage partner, what you can and can't live with. Serotonin and I had a pretty good run of it, and i think we would have had a nice life, had we ended up together... but we both learned a LOT (or at least i did) from the way our dynamic was, and sacrifices we made, etc... there's a BIG difference between suitable and excellent.
i've learned something about myself in every single relationship i've been in, from the 3-daters to the 2+ year-er.
and... dating should be FUN. you get to have dinner with new people, look at their dvds and in their fridge, see how they interact with your friends, have those really long 10 hour conversations... it kicks ass.

quote:
I have just seen waay too many girls who fool themselves into thinking that they have all this great power over their boyfriends when it is actually the other way around. There is no greater way to wear vulnerability on your sleeve.
hmm... well, i often have the power. i didn't in my last relationship and i got all destroyed and stuff. the person who cares less about remaining together is the one with the power- always. the person who cares more is always out to make that person want to stay with them, and so it goes. you just have to let go, do what you want, and see what happens.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Proceeds from the calendar to benefit the House of Ornery! (formerly known as the Ornery Party)

But we do need more beefcake.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Ev and Firedrake--

Who says that my view of dating isn't or can't be extremely fun and adventerous? I think it's just as much of an adventure, if not more so, because more is at stake, and you're ultimately opening yourself up to so much more than a status-quo social relationship.

I know that with regards to dating and many aspects of life, I probably sound like some huge tight-wad, but I am really not all that bad in real life. [Smile]

[ May 05, 2005, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: FIJC ]
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
FIJC--s'o.k., I'm with you. (takes timeout to be serious). My hubby and I are both sadder but wiser survivors of "the dating game", and are raising our kiddos to go the "courtship/committed dating" route. So far, our oldest two are very happily and successfully married (and we know many other families who are doing versions of the same thing). Personally, I think dating as it is most commonly practiced is a great way to teach people how NOT to have a committed, life-long relationship. (Wow, I sense "new thread" potential with this one! [Wink] )

**Back to our regularly scheduled silliness**

LisaM--LOOK OUT! Ev's giving you the "bum rush"! (teehee)
Potemkyn--*throws beanie bopper* If it ain't Baroque don't fix it!
OPL--"mom talk"...yep, probably right! Hey, go ahead and post the ultrasound pics!
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
canadian's kids have that Toby McGuire boy-next-door-who-knows-all look to them.

"I bet there's a sturgeon off-camera. You look too happy."

Do you REALLY think O's Man had his pants down when he flipped the shutter?
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"Who says that my view of dating isn't or can't be extremely fun and adventerous?"

It can be. You just severely limit yourself. Of course, it depends on how you approach it. If you date lots of people, and drop it after you know you can't marry them, thats different then only dating people you already think you can marry. The second limits your options a lot... and, at least in my experience, leads to very few good dates.

"because more is at stake"

More at stake isn't always a good thing. I've realized recently that limiting myself like you seem to do hasn't worked at all for me, because I come across as so intense that girls simply don't want to date me.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Well, I think that it is harder for more serious guys in this regard, especially if you're the type of guy who believes that the guy ought to pursue the girl, and not vice versa.

I still think there is a balance that can be taken with this, where you can take a serious view of dating without being overwhelmingly intense/obsessive to the opposite sex.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"1) I am not photogenic 2) I am not comfortable with the thought of posting my picture online"

Then how about a nude shot cut off at the neck?

JUST KIDDING, ma'am...

Potemkyn, I always envisioned you with a beard and a space helmet...

"Personally, I think dating as it is most commonly practiced is a great way to teach people how NOT to have a committed, life-long relationship."

Either way, marriage-oriented or out to have a sequential orgy, if dating isn't fun, the marriage is liable to be a chore...

Beefcake? (the garbled genius of Trout Fish Mask Replica churns through my memory)

I think we should stage a virtual costume party.
When my hair grows back, I wanna do my Reverend Verlin LeRoy impersonation. (For those who wish a more private viewing, my sturgeon does an impressive Groucho Marx impersonation, although my wife will insist on holding the cigar so it can be shown that I'm taken...)

[ May 05, 2005, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"where you can take a serious view of dating "

Who says I don't? Dating is fun. But its serious business.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Okay, this is what I don't understand about what you said. You said that you would stop dating someone whom you could not ultimately marry, but then you still claim that the purpose of dating is still more about "fun" rather than finding a good marriage partner. That seems to be a contradiction to me.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
No, see, I DIDN"T claim its more about fun rather then finding a good marriage partner. Dating serves both purposes. If you aren't having fun, you're dating the wrong person. If you can't marry the person, and know it, you're dating the wrong person.

Dating is fun, and the reason to go on dates is to have fun. But the end goal of dating is to have a good strong happy marriage.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Okay, I'm confused. Maybe we both agree afterall. Or maybe I just need to hit the sack, because I'm starting to ramble, and I've worked my tail end off too much this week, lol.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Probably the latter. I doubt you'd go on a date knowing as little about someone as I would.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
You're probably right, but I have to be careful, I'm a girl.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Dating is to help you figure out exactly what kind of people you don't want to marry. In my experience, anyway.

According to the Infinite Wisdom of My Mother, love is when you find someone who you can put up with until they or you die. And not at each other's hands.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"You're probably right, but I have to be careful, I'm a girl."

There's been a few comments you've made like this on this thread, and they are not only ridiculously sexist, they also show you don't really understand men or dating at all.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Well, it's not smart to date complete strangers regardless of your sex or gender.

Wow, I was just massively PC right there.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"There's been a few comments you've made like this on this thread, and they are not only ridiculously sexist, they also show you don't really understand men or dating at all."
I wouldn't agree with you on the sexist issue, but you could be right about the whole dating issue, which is honestly why I haven't ventured into those waters often in my life. As for men, I find that at least professionally, I work the best with men, which tells me that I understand how guys think even marginally. Plus, I have 4 brothers and a fantastic dad, so I do have a marginal understanding at the very least. [Smile] But you are certainly entitled to your opinion Ev. and I respect your honesty.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Ev, women do have to be more careful. Not only are we smaller and weaker usually, but there are more male dangerous predatory types than female. Sad but true. Not you, of course.

FIJC, if you're still up...

If I may be permitted an observation (well, it's not like you can do anything to *stop* me, but you can refuse to read or whale on me afterward [Smile] ), characterizating dating someone you know you're not going to marry as a waste of time is just the flip side of the old "if I don't get laid it's a waste of time" creep line. It's less ugly on the surface, but it's the same devaluation of time spent with a presumably interesting and attractive person.

While I'd agree that it's a waste of time to *keep* dating someone you're not going to marry, as well as perhaps unkind, if you think enough of a person to go out on a date with them, they probably have something to offer, even if it's only friendship, a valuable connection or just a nice evening.

Don't put so much pressure on yourself. If I recall correctly, you're still fairly young and with more than one goal in your life. Keep broadening your horizons, and you'll not only meet the right person, you'll know him when you do.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"Ev, women do have to be more careful. Not only are we smaller and weaker usually, but there are more male dangerous predatory types than female. Sad but true. Not you, of course."

More careful, perhaps, yes, but men have to also be careful. While we may be bigger and stronger, that doesn't mean we can't be lulled into a dangerous situation by a woman.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Thanks for the input Funean. Is 23 still young? I'm not so sure anymore, and there are days that I feel so much older...
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
"1) I am not photogenic"

Bah. Rebecca is gorgeous. And I have a few very nice photographs of her to which I will not link without her permission. [Smile]

And as a side note, I never -- never -- started dating someone on the assumption that they were marriage material. I even, in many cases, kept dating them even after I realized they were not, because I recognized that I wasn't particularly desirous of marriage at the time, myself, and figured there was no point to spending Friday nights alone. Those few times I decided that someone was potential marriage material, however, you can bet I let 'em know it. *grin*

[ May 05, 2005, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
23!?

Oh, sweet, gentle lady, sit you down by the river and I will tell you such tales as to remind you of the spring in your limbs and the blossom in your soul...
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
"Is 23 still young?"

Bwahahahah! Ask me that again when you're staring down the barrel at, erm, thirty-ten.

Yes, it's young. Not puerile, but still quite youthful. It is incumbent on you to enjoy it. I'm not kidding. You have years and years and years to be serious and dutiful.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
She is lovely, young, and remarkably poised. She's also, while not unflappable, rather difficult to flap. But I suspect that asking FIJC to be anything other than serious and dutiful is like asking a fish to fly. [Smile]

[ May 05, 2005, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"Bah. Rebecca is gorgeous. And I have a few very nice photographs of her to which I will not link without her permission."
Thanks Tom. You, Christy, and KarlEd were really a blast to hang around with in DC...and you guys came at the perfect time of the year. Someone reminded me the other day that the cherry blossoms are now gone, which for some reason, I didn't notice until last night. You know, if I didn't hang around with you guys that day, I wouldn't have gone out to see them at all. And I usually don't hang around Dupont Circle too much either, lol. Oh, and what was the name of that card game again?

When you guys come back to the area, seriously let me know.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
*grin* I note that you did not in fact give me permission to link to those pics. [Wink]

But I look forward to seeing you again. And the name of the game is "Chez Geek."
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I am changing my directive.

You MUST date men that are not marriage material, so that you can learn to play. At least two such dates per month.


On another matter, I don't believe I made it clear to all you bandwagon-jumpers that *I* have dibs on the earrings. I called it first.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
"Is 23 still young?" It's all in your head, kid (this is the only time I will ever get to use the word "kid" on this forum and walk away standing, so I'm going to take advantage.)

Carpe the freakin' diem, FIJC. If you don't you'll hit 40 (err thirty-ten) and wonder where your youth went. You don't have to debauch to enjoy, but do enjoy it.

23 is perfect.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Well, it's not smart to date complete strangers regardless of your sex or gender.

Wow, I was just massively PC right there."

And excellently so. Properly used, the notions of PC force one to make fairly precise statements.

The fact that I showed my phizz on this forum indicates a certain sense of trust. Of course, that sense of trust means nothing. It is the one lurker or faker that one must be wary of.

You are wise not to show your face. On the other hand, one never knows where/whom the predator is. By and large, one must be careful wherever one is with whomever. Home is still the deadliest place.

"Is 23 still young?"

Old is when your body starts breaking down, FIJC. Yup. Generally happens about 40, Funean. But it usually takes 5 or 10 years for us to realize what's so obviously happening. Denial is that with which we replace our former cheap thrills.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Seconded that, F. There's dating, and then there's dating

Call it making friends with someone you think is funny, or cute, or weird or just plain interesting. Keep it completely platonic, date boys and girls, whatever. You're not in a cloister (unless it's a cloister of your own making)

Funean, I get the impression you don't like your chances in an arm-wrestle; tell you what - 2 out of 3, and I'll give you a bye in the first round [Smile]

"But we do need more beefcake." I'll see what I can do...
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
DonaldD,

I fight dirty.

Of course, it depends on how good the beefcake is. I might be able to cut you a break. Just this once.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"According to the Infinite Wisdom of My Mother, love is when you find someone who you can put up with until they or you die. And not at each other's hands."

Your Mother is wise and correct. The purpose for marriage is to survive it long enough to learn how to love. Ideally, this is done per the tutelage of one's children, whose effect upon parents naturally follows a daily roller-coaster of love/tolerate/restrain from pedocide/tolerate/love.

There comes in many marriages the Second Proposal (or 3rd or 4th perhaps, for there are many such reexaminations in marriage). For me, the 2nd Proposal is not "Would you marry me all over again"? but, "Assuming there IS an afterlife, will you look for me?"

I cannot watch without crying the scene in FIDDLER ON THE ROOF where Tevya sings to his wife, whom was chosen for him by his partents long ago and with whom he has sired several children, this question: "Do you love me?"

It is really the only question we know.

I love what Casper asks the girl in the eponymous movie:

“If I were to come back to life, would you still remember me?”

One of -- perhaps THE -- driving engines of Mormonism's amazing power to endure and grow is its emphasis on a forelife and afterlife in which such questions deeply matter.

We so very much want to endure beyond our apparent ephemerality. This desire to endure is love, even as it causes us to consume the flesh of other living beings in order to perpetuate this passing strange.

But Steve Martin said it best, did he not? "Heyyyy -- it's really great to be here!"
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I'm convinced that my mother knows everything. It's like freakin' magic or something.

And if old is when your body starts going, then I guess I'm old at the green age of 18. But not old in the sense that I still partake in activities that might make it fall apart more. That's just the delusions of immortality right there.

I would very much like to discover love one day. One day, I will find the man/woman/it who doesn't seem grossly incurably wrong for me AND who is interested in women.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"And if old is when your body starts going, then I guess I'm old at the green age of 18."

You've just banged some of it up pushing it too hard. You BROKE it; it didn't give out on you. Giving out is when exercize that used to make you pleasantly sore for a day or two instead gives you a deep fever ache like you've got a bad flu.

And the energy just ain't there. And half your joints click when you move. And you go to sprint and... can't. Not without breaking something.

Of course, one can counteract this to a great extent with proper exercize regimens and such, but it takes a consistent effort of trudging uphill against a growing wind.

I'm gonna start just such a regime real soon, because I realized I'm falling apart and I ain't ready for it, but it will take ten weeks to achieve half the toning I achieved in ten days when I was an 'old man' of 42.

"And if old is when your body starts going, then I guess I'm old at the green age of 18."

Gurlfreyn, judging by your talk and pix, you will find all the partnership you need someday. JUst don't expect it soon. You have obviously got a lottaliving to do before you find a path straight enough to share with a mate.

Enjoy your adventures. Someday, you'll enjoy telling them to your kids' buddies.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
No, my body did start falling apart on its own, but that's not something that I generally talk about.

And I don't worry about the whole "love" thing too much. It'll happen when it happens, and 'till then, I have my stuffed animals.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
And chocolate. Can not forget chocolate, for it is my one true love. And shoes. ... and pretty earrings (but not much other jewelry, surprisingly).
 
Posted by KidA (Member # 1499) on :
 
How does anyone enjoy dating? I hate it! If I'm not in a committed relationship (which, being married, I now am) I usually prefer total independance, interspersed with occasional meaningless romps and debaucherous encounters.

"Friends with benefits" - now that makes sense to me. That sounds healthy and level-headed. But "dating"? I mean, what is it? I know it exists, because I've seen people do it..."dating" for years but still living apart, never knowing if their partner is the "one" or not. It like leasing vs. buying, I guess.

Too confusing for me. Especially the early stages. Awkward conversations. Overzealous housepets that you must dote over as your "significant other" does or risk incurring their wrath ("Oh, what a lovely iguana!"). Not being able to tell someone honestly if their cooking sucks. It's a fabric of lies!

When you finally move in with someone and know you're going to be with them for the forseable future, it's a relief. You get to know all the bad habits. You can express opinions honestly. You can be REAL. And that's the best. If you're not going to be real, then why harbor illusions? Why not just say to someone "I'll stick with you until something better comes along?" Or, even better, "let's just enjoy the physical chemistry, and leave the rest of the week open so I can read a good book instead of having to endure another endless conversation about the paper mache sculpture of Che Guevara you're making?"

Perhaps it's just me. Probably. It's what I get for spending three years single in Berkeley in the 90's.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
But eventually you realize that, even in dating, lying to your partner is POINTLESS and only causes more problems. At that point, dating becomes much more fulfilling.
 
Posted by KidA (Member # 1499) on :
 
"But eventually you realize that, even in dating, lying to your partner is POINTLESS and only causes more problems. At that point, dating becomes much more fulfilling."

Or, in my case, it usually ended the "dating"...heh...
 
Posted by Adam Lassek (Member # 1514) on :
 
@KE:

And you thought I was the one who was going to make this thread take a turn. [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
It's all kidzmom's fault! She's a bad influence on the rest of us. [Wink]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
OK, here's a couple: my brother's wedding to his English rose, and me babysitting (John is in blue, I'm the one with the cap - we'd just finished 36 holes...)

I'm available for child care services at reasonable rates, receipts upon request.

Still no beefcake. Working on it...
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
If by beefcake you mean semi-nudes of Ornery guys, I don't remember any. But I'm gonna stand up for the Ornery guys and say that I've seen plenty of hot men (and also Lisa's boy picture, which I neglected to vocally approve of earlier).

I think I agree with KidA et al. - I never did see the point of casual dating. I wasn't lonely when I wasn't in A Relationship (though I guess I have my fair share of intense, deep friendships to provide companionship), and I wasn't looking for A Relationship. Then when I ran across someone I obviously needed to spend most of my time with, I organized my life to make that happen.
But I don't like spending time with strangers (I'm kind of a shy and socially awkward girl), and so I fail to comprehend the idea of structured, artificial social interactions with people I don't know very well as fun.
That, though, is just me.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Can't comment. I've had a girlfriend or a wife since seventh grade. Which really cut into my dating life. I think I'm afraid of being alone.

KE
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
I've enjoyed single time, and relationship time, but early dating hasn't been much fun for me. My more successful relationships tend to be friendships that develop...eventually they become incredibly attracted to me and can't resist any longer [Big Grin]
Either that, or they start to feel really sorry for me...

[ May 06, 2005, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: aupton15 ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"characterizating dating someone you know you're not going to marry as a waste of time is just the flip side of the old "if I don't get laid it's a waste of time" creep line"

Well said, ma'am. Being sized up as marriage potential can feel a lot like being undressed by a lounge lizard's (double-membraned) eyes.

Incidentally, I'll make the observation that the process of dating is inherently and inescapasbly sexist by natural definition. With rare exceptions, it begins with this judgement:

"Are you a member of the sex to which I;m attracted?"
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I never dug the 'dating' ritual, per se, and scarcely did it, but I poerceive 'dating' as a general term for the process of folks spending one-on-one time with a potential amour.

As I recall, trying to cop a feel from Gail Omori in Sunday School class just didn't work.

"It's all kidzmom's fault! She's a bad influence on the rest of us."

And here I thought she was a bad influence on me alone. I thought I was special.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I've had a girlfriend or a wife since seventh grade. Which really cut into my dating life. I think I'm afraid of being alone."

That's why the majority of people date, I think. They don't want to be alone. PUppies and kittens and best friends are nice but by the time we've grown up and left home we really MISS being cuddled and bathed and being called someone's snuggly buggly boo.
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
quote:
And here I thought she was a bad influence on me alone. I thought I was special
Awww, Ken...you'll ALWAYS be "speshul" [Razz]

As for this interesting turn of the thread--when Adam posted that, my first thought was, "Gee, I think it may be MY fault!" Then I decided that could be hubris on my part. [Big Grin]
Wow, I caused controversy...imagine that... teehee. *wanders off, feeling vaguely smug*
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i think going into dating with the idea of finding a marriage partner may overlimit who you decide to date... i have a very specific type. and i dated it for 8 months, and i was sublimely happy for a good portion of it, and then it became clear to me that the traits i so enjoy in a person carry with them a lot of narcissism and selfishness. as such, i will never be put first. and sometimes i deserve to be.

FIJC (and others...) i'd suggest going out with a few people that you think you'd NEVER go for... physical type, personality, something like that. will you end up marrying them? probably not. but you might learn something about yourself or something you ought to be more openminded about...
for the record, the guy i'm currently happily dating was an experiment (yes, he knows this) in dating someone i didn't think i was going to like. i've never really been into thinner guys (except for everard, of course [Smile] ), and ryan is very slim and lanky. I also have a terrible time with shy people, because i have a bad case of verbal diarrhea and often continue talking nervously until someone else speaks. while i still talk more than he does, i actively solicit information a lot...and i've learned to shut the hell up. in letting go of these things i found someone with an amazing aesthetic sense, an astounding capacity to care about people and things, and a really interesting perspective on life. i don't know if he's "suitable" for marriage, but we're both getting something out of being together, so why not?

and oh, KidA, friends with benefits only works when no one has feelings for anyone else. someone INEVITABLY wants to take it further, and someone ALWAYS gets hurt. i do generally prefer a book to the company of most men, but all? never.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
quote:
I never dug the 'dating' ritual, per se, and scarcely did it, but I poerceive 'dating' as a general term for the process of folks spending one-on-one time with a potential amour.
I got so frustrated with the process that, by the age of thirty, I just flat out quit.

For me, it amounted to too many people making too many mole hills out of virtually nothing.

That said, everybody plays games and the dating process about finding the person who plays the same game as you.

Ed.
 
Posted by KidA (Member # 1499) on :
 
"and oh, KidA, friends with benefits only works when no one has feelings for anyone else. someone INEVITABLY wants to take it further, and someone ALWAYS gets hurt."

I'm sure that's true. Well, true if you substitute "always" for "usually." But how is that different from dating? Risk-wise, I mean?

My bennie relationships were always brief. A month of romping at most. Yes, there can be a little hurt when it ends, but if it's a brief fling, you get over it in a few days. And "getting over it" can be a lot of fun, if you're into loud music, late nights and booze.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"FIJC (and others...) i'd suggest going out with a few people that you think you'd NEVER go for... physical type, personality, something like that. will you end up marrying them? probably not. but you might learn something about yourself or something you ought to be more openminded about..."
Uhhh...I think you can get to know one who is much different from yourself without dating them.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well, I guess it's what you consider "dating." I always thought of dating as "arranged/planned activities with a not-already-certainly-just-a-friend person of the appropriate gender to be a potential romantic partner."

I think simplybio's point was that you might be surprised at the breadth and range of people you might consider potential mates if you opened up the standards a little more. Obviously, you wouldn't want to consider someone grossly incompatible in matters of faith, for example, but if you've always gone for, say, sporty guys, don't turn down the opportunity to hang out with a bookish dude on that basis alone.

I gather your free time is limited, but don't paint yourself into a corner, either, is all.
 
Posted by Haggis (Member # 2114) on :
 
FIJC:

Since everyone else is throwing their two cents in on your dating outlook, I will too.

Do what is right for you. Other people may not agree, because your way may not be right for them. You know what you want and how you want to get it. Go get it on your terms.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh, knock it off, Haggis. Always gotta be so....REASONABLE....and FAIR....Sheesh.

[Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Oh, knock it off, Haggis. Always gotta be so....REASONABLE....and FAIR....Sheesh."

Ma'am, we wasn't real confident in you at first, y'know, but since ye been patrolling these here threads, the streets have become safe again for irreverence and impertinence.

We thank ye, ma'am.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
Bah. Rebecca is gorgeous. And I have a few very nice photographs of her to which I will not link without her permission.
Yeah, I saw a picture of her once, and she looked pretty photogenic to me. But that's just my opinion.

Personally, I don't date for the express purpose of getting married, but I don't think there's much point in dating someone who you can't see yourself with. But I agree with others: every experience is useful in of itself.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
quote:
We thank ye, ma'am.
I'm just trying to get out from under the "voice of reason" accusation KE levied at me.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I'm just trying to get out from under the "voice of reason" accusation KE levied at me."

He can be such a... bitch. He once accused me of, oh, I forget, some kind of high-minded noble pure something or other. It hurt. It REALLY hurt.

"You know what you want and how you want to get it. Go get it on your terms."

I recall two ne'er-do-well teenage strumpets of late 70s NE Georgia vintage. The younger, darker-haired, freckle-faced, angular skinny wench was driving past in a car with a boy she'd wanted to 'get with' for some time.

Her older, blond, clear-skinned, more rounded but still skinnier than not sister (the two, in fact, looked nothing like each other), whoo-hooed her younger sis with a fist of triumph and shouted, "You GO girl!" (This was before Hollywood made 'ugogirl' a common trope. Back then it meant one spent one's share of time with colored folk; in that part of the country, it evoked a negative, slummy connotation.)

Then she yelled, "You getchyoo some of that HUNCHmeat!!!"

'Hunchmeat.' Such an expression makes more common vulgarisms like 'a piece of ass' or 'tubesteak' shrink into a sheltering flowered wall of pale violets hoping someone will ask them to dance or at least get them some punch without recognizing their faint family resemblance to that...rude girl out there on the floor dirty dancing with all the hot boys...

...hunchmeat... talk about your Deviled Ham... and munchable lunchables...

[ May 07, 2005, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
i want more people to post pictures. my voyeurism needs a boost.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"i want more people to post pictures. my voyeurism needs a boost."

I think we need to assign someone here as Chief Photoshop Editor of Visual Untruth. I wanna see what I'd look like as Superchicken.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
If you won't be our Ornery candidate, perhaps you could be part of our heraldry (where is that heraldry, anyway?? Have we no artists here?).

Peer pressure seems to have run out of steam, simplybio. Who knew it quit on one so fast? It seemed so much more powerful when I was a kid. Whatever can we try next? Bribes?
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
How's this?

your off-hand musing is my command

[ May 07, 2005, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Ooh! getting there!

Since you've foolishly exposed yourself as reading this thread, where's *your* picture? No putting us off with your (adorable) children again!
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
silly funean... canadian is toward the top on page 5. he's a handsome one, despite being out of focus.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh my, you are a hottie, too, canadian!

Thanks, SB. Don't know how I missed that one.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
ummm..thanks!

I have an oooold, digital camera...focus is a problem, here. I uploaded a couple (just now!) that are in a little better focus...and therefore, maybe a little less "hot", lol.

What I'm wearing today...

(And my post above isn't me! It's kenmeer as super chicken...I had a couple minutes, what?)

[ May 07, 2005, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Nope, still hot.

Nice try, though. [Smile]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
I'm afraid you can't help it now canadian - you're hot, either out of focus or in sweats (or both [Smile] ).
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
You're pretty hot, too, Donald. Forgot to mention it last night because I was square-eyed with tiredness. You know a baby is an irresistable babe magnet.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Too late F - I know I'll always be second best to canadian in your eyes... sigh [Frown]

Well, I'm off to my scheduled caning session; the world will soon be a brighter, happier place [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
...either out of focus or in sweats..

lol

yeah, I ran The Great Human Race today. Sadly, I broke no records.

And don't despair, DonaldD...it's just the Medicare they love...that, and the beer.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh dear, my fragmented attention span injures another innocent soul. <rends garments, rubs ashes into face>

Look at it this way...I didn't *notice* canadian's first picture.

(welp, now that I've made things far worse, I'm off to continue my suicidal engagement of Pete on the issue of SSM.)
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Good luck with that. I have now been labelled a deluded het out to prove my own gay-friendly bona fides: ware lest ye get lumped in with the barbarian hordes laying siege to last bastion of heteronormality. [Smile]

BTW - I now feel great!! [Smile] [Smile] I'm typing standing up, but I feel completely rejuvenated [Smile] [Smile]

"didn't even notice canadian..." OK - I'll buy that. My fragile male ego has been properly assuaged...
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
quote:
I have now been labelled a deluded het out to prove my own gay-friendly bona fides
You're not? [Wink]

quote:
I'll buy that. My fragile male ego has been properly assuaged
woo-hoo! (touchdown arms) not bad for a chick who hasn't dated a guy in 10 years! (e.g., woefully out of practice at male ego-salving)
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I make an awesome Super Chicken. Who'dathuunkit?

I tried flexing in the mirror to see if I could fake some cheezecake, but that potbelly wouldn't go away. THis motivated me to reclaim some of my former physique so that when I suck my stomach in at the beach, it will actually be an imnprovement rather than a disfiguration.

Come end July, I'm sending some Super Chicken beefacake shots.

Gawrsh! Is that beak me or what?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I mean, I was BORN to facially merge with SuperChicken. I make a VERY convincing Supoerchicken hybrid hominid.

Now, I wonder how Funean would look as Rocky the Flying Squirrel?

Or cperry as Bugs Bunny?

Or sb as the Scooby Doo chick with glasses?

canadian would make a great George of the Jungle...
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
KL, do me next! No wait, that didn't come out right.

KE
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I want to be Mighty Mouse.

Or Jessica Rabbit.

Oh, it's so confusing to be me...
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
How about Jessica Rabbit in Spandex, a cape and boots..?
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Even better! As long as I get to sing the Mighty Mouse song.

("Here I come, to save the daaaaaaay!")
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Well, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles, but I hope this satisfies...

I note a cartoon fetish developing
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Nice! I was considering putting the calendar together online, but I think Canadian has me beat...
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
GOOD LORD


I have no idea what to say.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Hey, where is my cape? (recovering slightly)
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
I made it before the Great Crash, cut me some slack!

Javelin, feel free to take over, I think I've done my bit now for King and Country.

[ May 09, 2005, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
"javelin, feel free to come over here and get in the crosshairs."

Hehehehe
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Oh, I wasn't going to EDIT any pictures... [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well, you're no fun, now are you?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I like my current, unmutiliated life?
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Art requires sacrifice!
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"GOOD LORD I have no idea what to say."

Sing it instead:

'Why don'tchya do right..."

"I like my current, unmutiliated life?"

Take the circumcision special now while it's still available. ("...1/2 OFF!...")

Otherwise they migtht get pissed and cutoff the whole thing.

I'd start with sb first, before she gets righteous on tequila and saws it off with an unremittant string of e-text messaging...

Art DOES require sacrifice, Jav, but that's no reason to lose the whole spear.

Just make sure you use one with her really COOL glasses...
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
In continuing the myth that I am a black cat (and live in apartment no. 50), Devi *ahem* I mean "I" make the best ugly faces ever. Do you think she has lips?

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/898542/flatears.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/898542/uglyface.jpg
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Your cat (I mean you) [Wink] simultaneously amuses and frightens.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Here's a pic of my master. She's better than me, and she knows it. But she lets me stay in this apartment in exchange for food, water, and the occasional treat.

Cat
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
*bump* [Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Woof woof! Woof woof! Woof woof! Well, after all, for all you know...
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Insomnia, in my case, is a sign of good health and high spirits. So I bump this thread.

I regret to inform that, due to recent unpleasant back difficulties anbd other compounding health issues, I have regained the weight I lost and may have added some in addition as well. So my beefcake shot, if it happens, will be of an Old Bull.

There are new people present, though. Show us your pix!!! (Note: if they're 'dirty', send them privately to OM. He likes to... study them...preventatively... for possible negative influences that might lead us into moral pulchitrude.)

Meanwhile, Superchicken defends earth from killer Shriner drones from Planet Vegas:

[URL=[IMG]http://img233.echo.cx/img233/3480/chickenattack7me.th.jpg[/IMG]]Super Chicken Super Powers[/URL]

Meanwhile, OM stands ready to protect us from out own vile smut:

[URL=[IMG]http://img149.echo.cx/img149/6776/zachtoy7ri.th.jpg[/IMG]]Stronger Than Dirt[/URL]
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
500.
 
Posted by Jefers (Member # 2442) on :
 
I don't post much, I'm kinda new, and I love to lurk. I'll post a picture anyway. So here you go http://approximatelynormal.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album02&id=sixthsense

Just kidding. Here is the real me. http://approximatelynormal.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=01_taylor Well, not really me. This is my 4 year old, and we look similar. Except I'm older.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
hey zyne, i just got a new cat, and he looks like your devi.
 
Posted by ssci (Member # 1053) on :
 
I missed this thread the first time around. Very interesting! Here is a picture of my wife Sara and me getting drunk on vacation in Switzerland with a couple we met on a train. I am on the far right. This year we are going to London.

[ June 29, 2005, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: ssci ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
can,

It occurred to me of whom those impossibly adorable young rapscallions of yours remind me:

The Everly Brothers. Phil & Don.

Someone with a Photoshop fetish might find an old EB album cover from the late 50s, and...
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Rum, the principle of the thing, and grinning daggers:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4442/mvc001f3so.jpg

[ July 09, 2005, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
(bump)
Here you go, Hannibal!
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
Ok here i am, how do i post a picture here?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
If you'd like to, you can email me your picture, and I'll reply with a link to that you can place here, Hannibal.

And anyone else that'd like to do that, feel free.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
beefcake for funean

Ok, so maybe its not real beefcakeness. But thats a whole in one you're seeing!
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
fine [Smile] , whats your email?

ill wait till 2night, ill send you a picture of me a year ago in uniforms, and a picture from my birthday party today

[ August 16, 2005, 12:13 PM: Message edited by: Hannibal ]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I'll send you an email, Hannibal - to the one that you've registered here. Just go ahead and reply with the pictures.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
no no

send to hannibal218@gmail.com

Ok, i'm off to my birthday party, ill post back in two three hours

[ August 16, 2005, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: Hannibal ]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/newglass.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/greekhair.jpg

I have hair now! Isn't that exciting?

[ August 16, 2005, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: Lisa M. ]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
And beautiful!

Good, I totally love the totally hot denizens of Ornery.
Male and female.

And Lisa, I have a dress a lot like that one! Mine, though, is really a slip - but same idea, anyway.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
Sorry, I soooo not wanna know what you all look like, this IS the charm of internet!! Suppose that's mutual .... [Wink]
 
Posted by Dave at Work (Member # 1906) on :
 
TS Elliot, if you don't want to see what others look like then don't click on the links. You are also under no obligation to post your own picture, I haven't posted mine yet, and I am unsure if I will anytime soon. On the other hand I find that having a picture in my head of the person I am communicating with feels more natural than not, so I have looked at the picture of those who have posted pics. That and I get to see what I am missing out on since I am not Liam Neeson. (see page 32 of the Miscellaneous Chat thread)
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
The only problem is that you start seeing the people you are disagreeing with as human beings.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
And LisaM has a bed!!
 
Posted by Dave at Work (Member # 1906) on :
 
quote:
The only problem is that you start seeing the people you are disagreeing with as human beings.
I see that as a good thing.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by canadian:
And LisaM has a bed!!

Actually, I have two! ::waggles eyebrows::
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/beds.jpg
(My room is usually neater than that, I swear)

And that's not a dress, actually. It's just a shirt. It would be sweet if it was a dress, though.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
<blatant advertisement>
Hey, for all the hot ornery women out there (and I haven't seen any yet that don't fit that bill), remember all us single Ornery guys, will ya! [Big Grin]
</blatant advertisement>
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
A glimpse into a real girl's bedroom!

What are you trying to do, give all us nerds heart attacks?

[Wink]
 
Posted by Quaestor (Member # 2553) on :
 
wow...I'm just...astounded...and laughing quite a bit...I don't know if "desperation" is a word to describe it...but an image of an Ornery Con is coming to my mind, and it's reminding me of the party that the Tri-Lams threw in the first Revenge of the Nerds... [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
It would be sweet if it was a dress, though.
You can find a "dress" that looks like that maybe at a lingerie store. I got mine at a secondhand store, but whatever. It was cheap, and is totally fun!

I <heart> underwear as outerwear.
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
"quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The only problem is that you start seeing the people you are disagreeing with as human beings.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I see that as a good thing. "

Depends on your view of humanity. If people are seen as basically good, knowing that the others here are people is probably a good thing. If you view people as basically bad then knowing will make you trust the poster less and encourage confrontation.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
But if it's from a lingerie store, it would probably be polyester, and I'm a crazy hippie who refuses to wear polyester.
 
Posted by lessismore (Member # 2092) on :
 
Don’t have a picture to show however I have been described as Nordic. Actually in a pervious life I may have been a Viking berserker. I have flashbacks of leaping off the bow of a long boat, frothing at the mouth, rushing towards the waiting enemy and ramming my head into a tree. (When witnessing this the enemy is expected to run, however my flashbacks stop as I make contact with the tree for whatever reason so I don’t know if it worked…. Even in this life it feels like I still have the tendency to bang my head into immovable objects.
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
"I <heart> underwear as outerwear."

suppressed chortle
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Dudette... cotton and silk lingerie exists...
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
Dudette... cotton and silk lingerie exists...
's true.
Though I'm not sure that you can get Totally Scandalous Necklines in organic cotton lingerie the way you can in slips made in the fifties.

Potemkyn, are you laughing at ME?
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lessismore:
Don’t have a picture to show however I have been described as Nordic. Actually in a pervious life I may have been a Viking berserker. I have flashbacks of leaping off the bow of a long boat, frothing at the mouth, rushing towards the waiting enemy and ramming my head into a tree. (When witnessing this the enemy is expected to run, however my flashbacks stop as I make contact with the tree for whatever reason so I don’t know if it worked…. Even in this life it feels like I still have the tendency to bang my head into immovable objects.

I thought the point was ramming one's head into the enemy??
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
quote:
Though I'm not sure that you can get Totally Scandalous Necklines in organic cotton lingerie the way you can in slips made in the fifties.
And real lace. I think those 50s slips were mostly nylon, too; feels a lot different than polyester.
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
Ops,

Well, I was just commenting that I thought it was hu... <runs to the back door knocking down dressers and other furniture in the hopes of evading capture and torutre>
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
And real lace. I think those 50s slips were mostly nylon, too; feels a lot different than polyester.
Yep, mine is.

The real lace is also pretty important for Structural Reasons - that is, if the neckline is really going to be Scandalous. Modern lace is mostly really trashy, and cannot stand up to any kind of strain.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"Though I'm not sure that you can get Totally Scandalous Necklines in organic cotton lingerie"

Victorias secret has some good stuff in cotton and silk thats got fairly good plunge on the neckline.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
<runs to the back door knocking down dressers and other furniture in the hopes of evading capture and torutre>
You really want to evade capture and torture by a girl dressed in nothing but a slip?

Color me surprised, but...
It's more fun when they run, anyway. Thrill of the chase, and all that.

<giving chase>
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Hope that slip's got a vent! Otherwise you're going to tear the sides, running like that.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Ok, now I'm distracted by thoughts of sexy ornery women running in slips. I might not be back for a while as I may, umm, be doing... something... else. Yeah.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
By the way, thanks for the contribution to the slender "beefcake" file, Ev!
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
"I'll be in my bunk." - Jayne, "FireFly"
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
My real beefcake photos are too scandalous for the eyes of our younger posters, but anything I can do to make you happy, Fun [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oh my!

Well, there's always email for the old and corrupt.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
LOL Well, if anyone emails me asking for scandalous photos, I'll take the request under advisement.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I'm still waiting for an email from a female ornerian I won't name [Wink]
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
<over shoulder>

Well, if ever there was a louded question with no good way out it's "Are you laughing at me?" Instead of answering, I thought I'd just make a break for it and hope for the best.

Generally speaking, I like to avoid pain, not women in slips, but those that are coming to hurt me? I'll opt for the avoiding pain.

<Dashes through traffic>
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Silly potemkyn, it's not supposed to HURT.

Don't YOU <heart> underwear as outerwear?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Kinda enjoying the view of Ops running after you in a slip, potemkyn. Thanks.
 
Posted by lessismore (Member # 2092) on :
 
quote:
I thought the point was ramming one's head into the enemy??
I think I needed glasses.

With all this talk of lingerie I need to go find something to bang my head against.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
ok, i sent a couple of pictures to Javlin, he will post them for me any time now,

one of the pictures is from october 2004, while i was still in the army, and one from this evening,

here, you can get a glimpse of those israeli barbarians [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:

With all this talk of lingerie I need to go find something to bang my head against.

No, no, dear.
Not *against*.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
ROFLMAO
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
See... I'm wondering about the HEAD. Not the against.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
I'm wondering about the HEAD.
Sometimes I wonder about the head, too.

[ August 16, 2005, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: OpsanusTau ]
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
i missed the joke
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
"Silly potemkyn, it's not supposed to HURT."

<peaks from behind shrubbery>

hmmmm... go on...
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
quote:
i missed the joke
How to put...

"banging" is a euphemism.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Funean:
quote:
i missed the joke
How to put...

"banging" is a euphemism.

Doesn't it have something to with with throttling poultry? [Wink]
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
aaahhhhh walla, oops.

say jav, got my mail?

[ August 16, 2005, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Hannibal ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Why, javelin!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"Doesn't it have something to with with throttling poultry?"

Speaking priveleges REVOKED!
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
Doesn't it have something to do with throttling poultry?
You don't want to *throttle* the poor thing.

It's *delicate.*
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hannibal:
aaahhhhh walla, oops.

say jav, got my mail?

Yep - you should have a reply with links in your inbox. Sorry, gotta shut up now - I've been "silenced" [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
godamn you guys are all sick [Smile]

anyway, Jav gave me the chance to post the links on my own, 10x Javelin


so, here it goes, i hope non of you is some arab terrorist or somthing like that. Dont get your hopes up [Smile]

here is a photo of me from my last days at the army, the three stripes and star (falafel..) mean the rank of sargent first class

http://dev.javelin.net/ornerites/hannibal2.jpg

and here is a photo from this night, at the Dixie restaurant in Tel-Aviv, (very good american style restaurant)

http://dev.javelin.net/ornerites/hannibal1.jpg

[ August 16, 2005, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: Hannibal ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
You are as cute as you can be. I do not believe this obvious fabrication that you have no luck with women.

Of course, the glowing red demon eyes might have something to do with that.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
That's his tractor beam.

You should see his other beam...
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
10x funean, tell send that message in that all women frequency, i hope your transmitter can reach over oceans and speak hebrew [Smile]

canadian, i am trying to bring up a witty respose but i cant seem to find any
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
Here's me with my wife and two princesses at the zoo.

And here's an adorable shot of the two cutest little girls on the planet (objectively speaking, of course).

[ August 16, 2005, 07:43 PM: Message edited by: drewmie ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
They are pretty cute. Bute my cousin says her two year old is the cutest girl on the planet too, so clearly we have a conflict. One of you must be lying.
 
Posted by Quaestor (Member # 2553) on :
 
OK, ok...I will post something...here I am in all my splendor:

[IMG]http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9392/mightymouse1sq.th.jpg[/IMG]

Ladies, control yourselves. There are kids present.

Men, don't be jealous of my enviable awesomeness...

and hopefully this link works...

[ August 16, 2005, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Quaestor ]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Hannibal, you do look good. You look a bit older than 22, but that's a good thing.

Also, Quaestor, it's not working, and that is sad.

Drewmie, your girls are adorable, and look a lot like my sister and I did when we were little.
 
Posted by Quaestor (Member # 2553) on :
 
hmmmm....it's working on mine; anyone else having problems?... I am a handsome fellow...got that "People's eyebrow" working for me...and that pose...wow...

i wonder if I did it correctly. Sorry, first time!

[ August 16, 2005, 09:47 PM: Message edited by: Quaestor ]
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
10x Lisa have any thoughts of moving to another country? say .... Israel for instance? there is allways somthing new here thats for sure [Smile]

Quastor, your ears are too big [Smile]
 
Posted by Quaestor (Member # 2553) on :
 
you know what they say about a guy with big ears...


he listens well! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Hey, I thought that was Funean... (check out the top of page 13 for reference)

Oh, and canadian - I never thanked you for F's portrait. That was yummy.
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
My cats finally agree on something ...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/898542/wearethree.jpg

Lizards are fun!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Aw, geez...

But yes. Mickey Mouse is MINE!! I called dibs!

Drewmie, you have a gorgeous family, which of course comes as no surprise. Sadly, though, I have to dispute your "cutest little girl" claim, since *I* actually have the cutest little girl imaginable.

(It took two days to get her to stop wearing the cowboy boots to bed...that's my girl!!)
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
You all have adorable children, human and otherwise [Smile]

Unfortunately, Hannibal, I don't think I could live anywhere other than New England. I've visited other places and liked it, but nowhere else feels like home.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
You should all come to Toronto to my place. I make a kick ass prime rib. I may not be American, but I am ornery. (or was that horny?)
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I don't care. I'm all about the prime rib.

What else are you serving?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
You should all come to my place. I'll make Gingerbread Maple Cake. Or bring it to the Toronto party.

I could never live in a place where real maple syrup is unavailable. Because maple-flavored corn syrup sucks. A lot.
 
Posted by KidA (Member # 1499) on :
 
Yup. It's me. Photo by Mrs. KidA. That's Japan behind me. I look grouchy because we hadn't eaten all day - it was five-thirty in the afternoon, and we had just been to the top of that mountain over my shoulder. Half an hour later, we were gorging of a feast of local crab that took almost two hours to consume. Heaven!

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img02240sn.jpg

Lisa M. are you in the NYC area still?
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
is it non kosher? i only eat non kosher [Smile]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Lisa- Which part of new england are you in? And I am in total agreement about maple syrup. only the real stuff for me. Preferably made by someone in my family.

And I make better prime rib then jason [Wink]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I've never been from the NYC area. During the summer, I live about three hours north of NYC, and during the winter, I live about four hours west of my current location (which somehow magically turns out to eight hours away from NYC, according to the students who live there).

KidA - where in Japan did you go? Like, which island? ('cuz I'm dumb and don't know all the prefectures by heart unless it's Tokyo, Ehime, or Kyoto)

Sometimes people tell me that New York isn't New England, but upstate New York so is. We have just as many maple trees as Maine, plus the blizzards. And the cute streetlamps in some towns (you know, the black ones with the cage-things on top)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/genny.jpg

I had a picture of just one of the lampposts, but can't find it. There's one all the way on the right hand side in that picture. (That's one of the dorms at school. Not the one I live in, but the sun in the tree was pretty).

Yeah, New England is just so darn pretty.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Hannibal:
is it non kosher? i only eat non kosher [Smile]

I have no idea if my cake is kosher. Maybe to hardcore kosher-keepers, as it contains both butter (from animal products) and milk. I can make it with margarine, but it's just not the same.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Butter and milk are both considered dairy products, even by hardcore kosher keepers, and so can be mixed [Smile] But, like all dairy products, milk and butter in of themselves can be either kosher, or not.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Oh. And while upstate new york's geography is similar to new england... the people aren't. They simply aren't crusty enough [Smile]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Depends on where you go, Ev.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Well, I'm mostly familiar with the catskill region. Definetely not new englandy people there.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
nice place you've got Lisa [Smile] , any way you missed the point i was stating that i dont eat kosher.

i am about to ask a stupid question...
is new england a state, or is it a region in MA. ?
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
New England is a region of the US - Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont. Sometimes also northeastern New York.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
ok [Smile] i have relatives in Massachisetts (thanx for writing the full name OpsanusTau), and i remmember from visiting there, and traveling up north to Maine, seeing New England signes and stuff like that.

thats a beautifull landscape, a very nice place to live in.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Also Hannibal, you look very suave. I approve of men with beards.

Hooray for Ornery Beefcake!
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
thank you Opsanus.

seems like i should have lived at the states, things whould have went for me much better with the opposite sex. [Smile]
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
Thanks jasonr, LisaM, & Funean. It's very cool to know your kids are gorgeous to OTHER people too. I've seen some gargoyle kids in my day, and the parents were completely oblivious to it. And thank heavens for that! (for the child's sake)

BTW Funean, your daughter is ADORABLE! My 3 year-old went through a "mom's high-heels" faze. Now she just carries my wife's underwear around like a security blanket. She won't go to sleep without it, and calls it her "softy."

Funny enough, all 3 females in my house have security blankets. My wife has her "kitty blanket." My 6 year-old has her old "gee gee." And my 3 year-old has my wife's underwear, her "softy." (sigh) This is my life.

[ August 17, 2005, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: drewmie ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Thanks, drewmie! She is all attitude, and that picture is my favorite because it really shows there. (she'll be the death of me, eventually, but it'll be fun!)
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Ev, when I come back on the 15th we need to get Lisa to come out with us. I'll chaperone.

Fun, your little girl is adorable. We tried to have a girl, but got another boy and gave up.

KE

[ August 17, 2005, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Family beefcake

From left to right thats my father, me, my brother, and my step sister. The picture is a couple years old, but its a good one, I think.
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
Latest photos of Sophie:
http://plastic-castle.com/tom/photoalbum/view.php?gid=15&page=13
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
In about 20 years, ornery daughters are going to be breaking a lot of hearts.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Indeed! And Ornery parents will be locking doors, keeping that shotgun behind the couch, installing cameras in all the cars...what? Oh, that's just me, then.

TomD, she's gorgeous! Lookit! Golden ringlets!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
No no, its me too, Funean. If I have a daughter, I'll be sitting on the porch holding my shotgun every time she goes on a date and isn't home by 9pm
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
I think the fathers who were the biggest scammers are going to be sweating the most. We know what guys are like! I guess it's karma (sigh).
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Heh. I know what guys are like, but not because I had any success with women [Frown] Mostly because I was always the shoulder that my female friends cried on after their current guy convinced them to have sex, and then left.
 
Posted by The Drake (Member # 2128) on :
 
If I had a daughter, I would tell her to dress like a tramp and stay out all night.
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
Ev, let me guess. You got the "I wish I could fall for a sweet guy like you" routine. I got that a lot myself. What a load of crap, like who they "fall" in love with is completely beyond their control. Funny that none of them trip and "fall" in love with guys who look like Quasi Moto.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Funean:
I don't care. I'm all about the prime rib.

What else are you serving?

Eve came from Adam's rib.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Funean is definetely prime [Smile]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
But we do have to be careful about the sweet guys, 'cuz they're the ones that turn into crazy passive-agressive stalkers of the "If you won't marry me, I'll kill myself!" variety (after dating for three weeks).

Or maybe that's just my luck with men, I don't know.
 
Posted by Quaestor (Member # 2553) on :
 
<groan> [Roll Eyes] wow.....

and lemme guess - "rare" to, eh? [Wink]
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
Lisa, not all of us passive-agressive guys are the stalker type. I've always been the martyr type. You know, the kind that mopes around, but defends the girl who dumped me, hence making her look like an even bigger bitch to everyone. [Wink]
 
Posted by KidA (Member # 1499) on :
 
quote:
KidA - where in Japan did you go? Like, which island? ('cuz I'm dumb and don't know all the prefectures by heart unless it's Tokyo, Ehime, or Kyoto)

My wife is from the island of Kamagari, in the inland sea between Honshu and Shikoku. The picure was taken in Kinosaki, a hot springs resort town in southern Honshu. We've travelled around...Tokyo, Kyoto, Fukuoka, Kobe, Hiroshima. Since my in-laws live there, I have reason to go as often as possible. It's a wonderful country - I may live there someday (when my Japanese is a kajillion times better than it is now).
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
you will wait with a shut gun, even for a guy like me?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I wish I had reason to go there as often as possible. I was an exchange student in Ehime for six weeks in high school (it's on the Northwestern corner of Shikoku), and it was beautiful there. Absolutely beautiful. And the local food was divine (most of it -- the grapes made me sick for some reason).

I definitely need to go back there at some point.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
Eve came from Adam's rib.
That's a good trick.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Well, He is a God of Love, after all.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OpsanusTau:
quote:
Eve came from Adam's rib.
That's a good trick.
It sounds, well, uncomfortable, to me. Glad I'm not a woman... and I would think twice about anyone that could say the "came from Adam's rib" [Eek!]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
canadian, you are very naughty.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
I don't care. I'm all about the prime rib.
What else are you serving?

Caprese salad, challah, crescent rolls, blueberry mascarpone cake, and pain au chocolat. This is what you get when you combine an obsessive compulsive personality with a love of baking [Smile]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Are guys invited, jasonr? 'Cause you are making me hungry...
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Mmmmm.

That does sound good.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
Are guys invited, jasonr? 'Cause you are making me hungry...
Everyone is invited. And I'm serious too; this is not a joking invitation. It would be so much fun to actually meet some of you guys (and girls) in person. If any of you people can make it to Toronto, I will book my building's private party room (It has a pool table, kitchen, and dining room, big screen TV, and gazebo) and I will cook a feast.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
you are all a talkin but when is the eatin?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Challah = love

Also, Toronto is only like two hours away from me by car (during school), but I lack a car. So the only way I can get to this shindig is if one of you has to drive through the Buffalo/Rochester area.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to a good kitchen at school, so I might not be able to make cake. Unless Jason lets me borrow his cooking-place.
 
Posted by Hannibal (Member # 1339) on :
 
heh.... toronto is 11 hours by flight [Smile]
and i lack a seven forty seven [Smile]

i guess i'm off the meal, you can send me some food in air mail though
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
LOL, allow an intruder into my kitchen? Normally I'd say no, but I can compromise if it gets people here [Smile]

I have no car, so I can't drive anyone, sadly. Are there any people who could actually make it? Could this actually work?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Sweet. Do you have a bundt pan? (the rest is simple. Spoons, forks, pastry blender [one of the hand ones], bowls, oven)
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"Caprese salad, challah, crescent rolls, blueberry mascarpone cake, and pain au chocolat. This is what you get when you combine an obsessive compulsive personality with a love of baking"
You seriously know how to make all of that? That's really cool. I am not good at cooking, but then again, I hate doing it.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
YUM!

Actually, an obsessive compulsive personality is exactly what you need for baking. It's much more science-y than plain old cooking.

FIJC, you should try it. Making bread, for example, is very satisfying and it has the right number of semi-fussy little steps. It is a good activity for an afternoon where you are home and have something percolating on the brain, like a problem to solve or a piece of writing to put together, because there are breaks in the action and it's not mentally demanding.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
I think that I would need to buy a cook book for that. I don't own any. Oh, and did I also mention that I hate grocery shopping? [Smile] I only go once a month.

Maybe I'll try it. I would probably need one of my roommates to help out though.

[ August 17, 2005, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: FIJC ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Internet...INTERNET...I know you have access! [Smile]

There are at least a billion recipes and technique sites online!

Bread is also cool because the ingredients are: yeast, flour, sugar (wee bit), salt (wee bit), milk or water, and maybe butter. Anything else is flavoring or type (like herbs or cheese). And you don't need a pan. Slap a log shape on a cookie sheet and you're golden.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
Sweet. Do you have a bundt pan?
Yeah, it's one of those fancy flower shaped ones I got at Williams Sonoma. (I pretty much live in that store) I bought it originally with Angel Food cake in mind, but this turned out to be totally inappropriate, and impossible to unmold. I still haven't actually used it for anything.

quote:
I think that I would need to buy a cook book for that. I don't own any. Oh, and did I also mention that I hate grocery shopping? [Smile] I only go once a month.
Try starting with something like Williams Sonoma Essentials of Baking. It gives very good explanations of the science of baking, and the quality of the recipes is far superior to anything you find online. It also gives you mass measurements, which will come in handy if you get more serious about baking. I have some good recipes too, if you're interested. My only rule is that you can never, EVER use Baker's brand chocolate for anything.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
jasonr, you would enjoy "CookWise," by Shirley Corriher.

She is a former (I think) chemist who became a foodie. It is great geeky stuff, and good recipes besides.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
I'll have to put this book on my to buy list. Thanks Funean. LOL, I like her exploding duck. In the precis of her book, that is listed as one of her failures, but I think that would be a really cool recipe. I would call it the Duck Bomb.

Actually, the concept reminds me of this:

Cooking for engineers

I'm also reminded of Baking Illustrated, which apparently uses this woman as a source. (another great book, by the way)
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
My only rule is that you can never, EVER use Baker's brand chocolate for anything.
jason, why not?
(I usually use other brands, but I don't have a Formulated Rule about it)

I personally like my Joy of Cooking as the essential all-around cookbook - though I got the shiny new edition for Christmas and was shocked (shocked!) at how many of my favorite recipes from my grandmother's nineteen-forty edition are missing in the new one. Though the new one has a better balance of different types of international cuisine and interesting things to do with vegetables.

FIJC, there's a fantastic breadmaking book called "Beard on Bread" that is both a good read and totally useful and helpful.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I don't always follow the rules for baking. I wonder what would happen if I did (the recipe I use for the gingerbread cake has all these completely unnecessary steps, like boiling the applesauce/molasses/baking soda concoction before putting it in with the flour et all). Plus, the recipe demands that you use an electric mixer, but mixing it by hand has always worked for me, even if it takes forever.

Then again, the first recipe that I used didn't ask for those things, but then I lost it. Found one with the same ingredients, and mix those instructions with what I remember from the old recipe.

Also a tip: When mixing molasses and applesauce, put the applesauce in the bowl first. It helps mask the smell of the molasses.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Why would you want to mask the smell of molasses? [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
I don't always follow the rules for baking.
I think that one of the most important things about Learning To Cook is learning when you can diverge from the recipe (using an electric mixer or a spoon; adding raisins or not) and when you can't (substituting baking soda for powder; using water that's too hot for your yeast).

Lisa, you should post your gingerbread cake recipe.
Yum.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
I think that one of the most important things about Learning To Cook is learning when you can diverge from the recipe (using an electric mixer or a spoon; adding raisins or not) and when you can't (substituting baking soda for powder; using water that's too hot for your yeast).
ACK! Blasphemy. The key to learning to cook may be improvisation. This is death in baking. I know I may sound like a baking nazi, but substituting baking soda for baking powder is NOT ok. Baking soda only activates and produces C02 on contact with an acid, such as buttermilk, unsweetened cocoa, (not dutched) vinegar, or lemon juice, etc... By contrast, baking powder can react with itself to produce the necessary gas. If you substitute baking soda for baking powder in a recipe that doesn't happen to have an acidic component, you're screwed.

quote:
jason, why not?
(I usually use other brands, but I don't have a Formulated Rule about it)

Have you actually tried tasting the stuff? It's inedible. My little sister likes white chocolate. She tried their white chocolate, and spit it out it was so bad. Bakers brand chocolate is to chocolate what spam is to meat. The trouble is, people see the label "Bakers" (which is nothing but a brand name) and they think that this means you should bake with it. Meanwhile, they'll eat Lindt or some other quality brand, not realizing that their recipes would be soooo much better with decent chocolate. If it ain't fit to eat, it ain't fit for baking.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
"ACK! Blasphemy. The key to learning to cook may be improvisation. This is death in baking."

Not necessarily. As long as you knwo the chemical reactions you need, and make sure those are left alone, you can improvise with baking to your hearts content. My brother created a few recipes when he was younger by realizing that certain changes would not damage his baked goods.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
but substituting baking soda for baking powder is NOT ok
Yes, that's what I said.
(reread)
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Oh, so sorry OP, I misread your comment. I totally agree with you, in retrospect. But as a rule, especially if you're a beginner, you should always do the recipe precisely as it's written, at least the first time around.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Yes, that's also what I said (obliquely). [Wink]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
It's like when you really start to learn how to cook. You can get extremely creative once you're good at it...

...silk scarves...who knew?
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
<snerk>
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I experimented with the gingerbread recipe the first time I tried it. It said specifically not to use a bundt pan, but I was like "But I have a brand new bundt pan and it's so pretty!" So I used it, and it was good. I can't even imagine cooking it in a flat pan - it would get way too dry. Unless it's supposed to be dry, but damnit, I like moist spice cake!

And I'll be back with the recipe in a bit.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
I love moist spiced cake, too. I'll bet I'd love your bundt pan.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
I love moist spiced cake, too. I'll bet I'd love your bundt pan.
Aren't you married?
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Okay. This is based on a recipe from Yankee Magazine.

2C applesauce
1C dark molasses (regular works fine)
2tsp baking soda
3c flour (all-purpose)
1/2tsp salt
3tsp powdered ginger
1-1/2tsp cinnamon (or cinnamon sugar, whichever's handy)
1/2tsp ground cloves
A dash of nutmeg
4 eggs
1-1/3C sugar
2/3C vegetable oil
2 medium bowls
1 large bowl

Preheat oven to 350 degrees. Mix applesauce, molasses, and baking soda in a medium bowl. It will get foamy. In a medium bowl, combine flour, salt, and spices. Stir. In a large bowl, whisk the eggs with a fork. GRADUALLY add the sugar (all at once will make it clumpy, you have been warned. I usually do it 1/2C at a time because that's the clean measuring cup at this point) and continue beating until thick. Gradually beat in the oil. Alternately mix in flour and applesauce/molasses, a little bit at a time. Putting too much of one in makes it much too hard to stir. Pour batter into a well-greased bundt pan (I think it needs to be 2L, need to check that). Bake for 1 hour and 15 minutes. Cool cake in the pan for at least 15 minutes, then unmold and cool on a rack. When it's almost completely cool, add maple glaze (recipe to follow in next post).
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
For the glaze, you need a pastry blender or a lot of patience with a fork. http://www.epicureselections.com/images/cookware/big/pastry%20blender.jpg That's what they look like (I always forget their real name, so figured pictures work).

1/3C soft butter (about 2/3 of a stick)
3C confectioner's sugar
1/2C Maple Syrup (the real kind unless you're a corn-syrup-loving heathen)

Blend butter and sugar using pastry blender. Add syrup and beat well with fork until blended and fluffy. Makes more than you need for the cake, so eat the rest with a spoon (it's what I do).
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
http://www.sugarcraft.com/catalog/pans/2105-1147.jpg

That is my bundt pan of choice. It's insanely hard to get the cake out, sometimes, but it's worth it. Because yummy cake is even better when it's pretty.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jasonr:
quote:
I love moist spiced cake, too. I'll bet I'd love your bundt pan.
Aren't you married?
I can't enjoy cake now?

waitaminnit! you thought...

oooo...you're bad!

[ August 18, 2005, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
That is my bundt pan of choice. It's insanely hard to get the cake out, sometimes, but it's worth it. Because yummy cake is even better when it's pretty.
Yeah, this is almost exactly the same as mine. Like I said, I tried it with angel food cake, it was impossible to get out, and I set it aside and forgot about it. What do you use for a cake like that, cooking spray? I suppose you could try using parchment paper, but I imagine you'd have to brush up on your origami skills to do that [Smile]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I use cooking spray, and then carefully use one of those tiny spatulas (that are only like 1" wide) to get into all the sides. It takes forever and a half.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Since people are posting recipes, here's my pride and joy. The crust is just a Williams Sonoma basic pizza crust cut in half (I like a thin crust) but the rest is my concoction.

The Dough

6 ¼ OZ (1 ¼ Cups) Bread Flour
1 ¼ tsp Active Dry Yeast
140 ML Warm Water (105 – 115 F)
¾ tsp Sea Salt
½ tsp Sugar
1 TBSP Extra Virgin Olive Oil

1. Dissolve the yeast in the warm water. Mix in the sugar, olive oil, some of the flour, and then the salt.
2. Mix in the remaining flour, and knead on low speed in a stand mixer, or by hand, for 8-10 minutes, adding up to ¼ cups extra flour until the dough is smooth, elastic, and no longer sticky. Knead for a minute or two by hand if necessary.
3. Let rise in an oiled bowl until doubled in volume, 45 minutes to 1 ½ hours.
4. Punch down and use immediately, or refrigerate for up to overnight. (if refrigerating, let dough come to room temperature before shaping)

The Tomato Sauce

12 OZ Canned Diced Tomatoes
2 TBSP Extra Virgin Olive Oil
2 Large Cloves Fresh Garlic
½ Bunch Fresh Basil
1 Sprig Fresh Oregano
1 Bay Leaf
Salt and Pepper

1. Process the tomatoes, basil, and oregano in a small food processor until pureed.
2. Heat the garlic and olive oil in a medium heavy bottomed saucepan at high heat until sizzling.
3. Mix in the tomato mixture, and stir with a wooden spoon. Place the bay leaf in the pot, reduce heat to low, and allow to simmer for 10-15 minutes, stirring occasionally.
4. Remove from heat, cover, and let sit until needed. Discard bay leaf prior to use.


The Topping

8 OZ Freshly Grated Mozzarella Cheese
2.5 OZ Freshly Grated Parmesan Cheese
2 TBSP Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 Pinch of Fresh Coarsely Shredded Oregano
1 Cup Tomato Sauce (See Above)
Salt and Pepper
Semolina Flour

1. Preheat oven and baking stone to 500 degrees F.
2. Lightly flour dough and carefully knead dough by hand into a 12-14 inch circle on a lightly floured surface or Rollpat. Transfer dough to a baker’s peel dusted generously with semolina flour.
3. Brush the dough with the olive oil. Top with the tomato sauce, the parmesan cheese, and then press on the mozzarella cheese, so it is packed down, making sure to leave a one inch border around the topping. Spread the oregano over the top.
4. Carefully transfer the dough to the baking stone*, and bake for 10 minutes, or until the cheese is golden brown and the crust is crispy. (you can bake for 7-8 minutes if you prefer a softer crust)

* Even with the semolina flour, the dough can stubbornly cling to the peel. To solve this problem, slide a silicon cookie spatula under the dough to loosen it, just prior to sliding it into the oven. *
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
I use cooking spray, and then carefully use one of those tiny spatulas (that are only like 1" wide) to get into all the sides. It takes forever and a half.
Yikes. But I bet it looks stupendous. It is a beautiful mold.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I saw it and knew immediately that it had to be mine. We had them at work and they weren't out in the store yet, so they surprised me one day when I was doing stock. The next day in the paper, there was a recipe for gingerbread cake.

To this day, that's the only kind of cake that I've made in that pan. To make another kind of cake would be like sacrelidge.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Shortening and flour. Not cooking spray. It's tedious but then the cake just falls right out.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
The cake falls right out after I carefully do the spatula thing, and I'd rather do the spatula. Shortening and flour would also have to be cleaned from the pan afterwards, which is also a pain. So it would be before and after, not just after.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dave at Work:
quote:
The only problem is that you start seeing the people you are disagreeing with as human beings.
I see that as a good thing.
*shudder* I don't! It's hard enough to see my boss and friends and gf as humans, let alone the people i disagree with on a virtual basis ... [Smile]
And of course I only click the hot chicks ... a poet b4 I know it! [Smile] [Razz]
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Ok, I'm really late, but I'm bored.

Pictures n stuff

http://www.geocities.com/jester1137/trollpics.html
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
More beefcake! Excellent!!
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Goodness.

Mmm.
Boys with beards.
 
Posted by Redskullvw (Member # 188) on :
 
Man what the heck happened to this thread? Cooking beefcake?
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Immediate impression:

Donny Osmond with a beard.

And believe it or not, somehow this is a good thing....
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
I need to update my picture it's a couple of years old. Or you could just imagine bags under my eyes and crows feet. [Frown]

KE
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Crow's feet are sexy, KE. Don't worry.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
They'd better be, Ops. That's all I've got to say on the matter.
 
Posted by Zyne (Member # 117) on :
 
Jesse is hot. More, please.
 
Posted by pickled shuttlecock (Member # 1093) on :
 
Okay, okay. I give in. Here's me.

[ August 30, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: pickled shuttlecock ]
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Ha! Best. Picture. Ever.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
And, strictly speaking, it's a naked picture! So someone has finally given into my demands. Excellent!! (if somewhat unsatisfying)
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I'm telling you, you want naked pictures, you just gotta email us privately [Wink]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
But not to mine - and I demand equal RIGHTS damn it!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
topless beefcake
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
That's not what I meant, Everard. *sigh*
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
I know [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Would it suffice if I had No pants?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Ya big tease! *whine*
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
At least *Ev* delivered. Sorta.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Well, I can't deliver more in a family forum! I might get banned [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Hee hee!

Yeah, Jav, are you trying to get Ops BANNED?

I see your strategy now!

Edit:

Wait, you're nefariously trying to take advantage of the fact that OM can't turn his head, aren't you? Shame! Shame, I say!!

[ August 30, 2005, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Funean ]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Hey now, I've always asked for my po... I mean pictures... to be delivered straight to my email, and Mr. OrneryMod has volunteered his email to vet the pictures too!

Geesh, like I'd want anyone as beautiful as Ops BANNED.... crazy people.... <mutter mutter>
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Aw...
<blush>

Someday I will get my Darling (who is an Arty Painter) to do a nude of me, and then I will show everybody.

Until then...

(. )( .)

[ August 30, 2005, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: OpsanusTau ]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I've been flashed! I can now consider my day complete. (Very nice, btw)

I'll be waiting, Ops! [Big Grin]

[ August 30, 2005, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: javelin ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
You women want naked pictures, but where are your naked pictures? How about this: the guys send topless photos of themselves, and we get topless photos of you? That's fair, right? [Smile]
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
YES!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Yes.
And since I already posted a topless photo, ornery women should feel free to email me topless photos of themselves until other male ornerites comply.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Wait a minnit.

Something doesn't follow here...
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Well, I think it should be - one of ours have complied, now one of yours must, and then so on, etc.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Doesn't Ops count? Sheesh.

All of mine have infants obscuring the view. So sorry. [Wink]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Speaking of topless, I am reminded of reading some of Heinlein's books -- on my dad's rec -- in junior high and trying to figure out if he meant that the women in society really were going around without shirts or if he meant without hats! [Smile]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
No, no, it's Men Without Hats.

sheesh...
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Ahhh, yeah that connection musta slipped right past me.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
You mean they let women out of the kitchen? Sheesh. I had no idea Heinlein was a radical feminist.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
I always thought that Heinlein didn't really think that through very well.
I mean...some amount of clothing on top is usually necessary for both Comfort and, um, maintenace of figure.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
Not if you live on the moon.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Well.
I think that removes the maintenance of figure problem, but really only exacerbates the Comfort problem.


If you know what I mean.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Now She's a Harsh Mistress!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
LOL

Good point jasonr.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Yes, while they certainly are mesmerizing, I can understand the discomfort if they, umm, get loose.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
It's okay, jav...you just have to adjust a little...
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
I've volunteered to provide support while running, but I always get a strange look, and then ignored. *sigh*
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
okay, which ones are we talking about now?
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Of course, discomfort is related to size, in this instance.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
okay, which ones are we talking about now?
Does it matter?
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Not in Heinlein's future...
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
Ah, to be an "over the shoulder boulder holder".... *stares off into the sky*

[ August 30, 2005, 05:12 PM: Message edited by: javelin ]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
You've just decribed my undergarments!... *stares off into the sky*

[ August 30, 2005, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: canadian ]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
<snorting diet 7up out of my nose...wiping off keyboard>

We used to sing "Do Your Ears Hang Low?" which has a line that says, "Can you swing them over your shoulder like a Continental Soldier?"

As we got older, we changed it to "Do Your Boobs Hang Low?" making that line much funnier.

In Heinlein's world, could well be the case.

Now I know it can apply to other body parts, too. Shame they don't teach gravity that way!
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by canadian:
You've just decribed my undergarments!... *stares off into the sky*

Over the shoulder? Suspenders for underwear? I'm prefer mine to be less reliant on, umm, straps hanging off my shoulders.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cperry:
<snorting diet 7up out of my nose...wiping off keyboard>

We used to sing "Do Your Ears Hang Low?" which has a line that says, "Can you swing them over your shoulder like a Continental Soldier?"

As we got older, we changed it to "Do Your Boobs Hang Low?" making that line much funnier.

In Heinlein's world, could well be the case.

Now I know it can apply to other body parts, too. Shame they don't teach gravity that way!

Never heard that variant, aye? We used to sing it all the time at Scout camp...
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Erm, well, we never sang it that way in front of the counselors at camp!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
My *mother* taught me that version of the song.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
My stepmom did!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
<ponders this correlation>
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
And here I was, thinking we were clever to have "made it up." Of course, that may have been the original version. Who ever heard of tying one's ears in a knot?
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
My camp counselors taught me the naughty version of the song.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
quote:
Who ever heard of tying one's ears in a knot?
Who ever heard of tying one's breasts in a knot?
[Razz]

But the throwing over the shoulder does make more sense if it's boobies.
And really, no one's ears really hang that low.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Who ever heard of tying one's ears in a knot?
Or, umm, other dangly bits? OW!!

[ August 30, 2005, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: javelin ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
People who do that are just showing off, jav.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OpsanusTau:
Who ever heard of tying one's breasts in a knot?
[Razz]

But the throwing over the shoulder does make more sense if it's boobies.
And really, no one's ears really hang that low.

Good point. And I have seen (through shirts, thank goodness) some breasts that probably could be tied!
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
[Me shudders!]
 
Posted by pickled shuttlecock (Member # 1093) on :
 
8th grade World History teacher. Much too...um, liberated for her own good. Used to be a hippie, and quite obviously. Probably liberated herself into a lifetime of back pain.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Yeah, them boobies will liberate themselves right into the ground!
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
<Singing>

These boobs are made for knockin', and that's just what they'll do! One of these days these boobs are gonna knock all over you!

</Singing>

Hmmm... That doesn't sound quite right...

Ed.

[Me quietly awaits the OM's -- and Nancy Sinatra's -- wrath...] [Wink]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Bumping this, as my picture needs are again not being met, and hoping that SB will back me on this, as long as she's back to visit.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Gasp! Right after I have a new picture of myself that I like!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/yukata.jpg

Even though I look thin-lipped. Whatever. My hair was cute, even if I didn't get any pictures of it.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
yay for pictures. my links probably don't work anymore, i'll fix em later.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Dave at Work:
LoverOfJoy:
quote:
FIJC:

quote:
I am not Goth.
I always pictured you with more of a dominatrix look... j/k
I always pictured FIJC as Michelle Malkin's twin [Smile] .
And I as a big Laura bush on jesus nikes. Without that empty stare, of course.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by kidzmom:
O.k., I haven't been able to get a pic of me online, and I love showing off my children anyway, so

how much do we age this pic from what age?
Nice outfit, I don't get the fascination, but still .... read a lot of Marion Zimmer Bradley too?
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FIJC:
[QB] 12% body fat is really, really low. I don't think it would be safe for most girls to go that low.

during the Falkland war, a good deal of the Blokes and Chaps died because of extreme low body fat, the cold got to them. Of course, the Muchachos didn't have any such problem, they didn't copy the Brits in EVERYthing .... [Wink]
quote:

The only sport I ever tried playing in school was soccer, which I was okay at, until I figured out that we had to play in the RAIN too. Seriously, that never seemed reasonable to me.

Uuunh! ..... americans! How about rugby then?
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FIJC:
quote:
"There's been a few comments you've made like this on this thread, and they are not only ridiculously sexist, they also show you don't really understand men or dating at all."
I wouldn't agree with you on the sexist issue, but you could be right about the whole dating issue, which is honestly why I haven't ventured into those waters often in my life. As for men, I find that at least professionally, I work the best with men, which tells me that I understand how guys think even marginally. Plus, I have 4 brothers and a fantastic dad, so I do have a marginal understanding at the very least. [Smile] But you are certainly entitled to your opinion Ev. and I respect your honesty.
Hmmm, I've always believed that a girl compared boys to her brothers/father and if they come up short, it's not a date. That said, fijcs opinion seem a bit extreme and not terribly ... clever-ish. It makes sense to me to try and see what you like in guys, not only the obvious 'does he sleeps with his socks on in bed' and toothpaste cap thingee, but also physical compatability, Sunday morning behaviour, school night behaviour etc etc. But i suspect you have your ways of finding this out without calling it dating, thats great too.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by FIJC:
quote:
"Bah. Rebecca is gorgeous. And I have a few very nice photographs of her to which I will not link without her permission."
Thanks Tom. You, Christy, and KarlEd were really a blast to hang around with in DC...
Amazing if this implies that fijc and tomD were hanging out together? Given their diametrically opposed stances on the political? Or did I read wrong?
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
quote:
which tells me that I understand how guys think even marginally.
She may understand "how" we think, but I think FIJC would be shocked catatonic if she ever got to see "what" we think. [Wink] (the one and only thing that motivates us)

KE

[ September 18, 2005, 02:55 AM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by OpsanusTau:
I always thought that Heinlein didn't really think that through very well.
I mean...some amount of clothing on top is usually necessary for both Comfort and, um, maintenace of figure.

comfort? you mean because of the enduring gawking? [Smile]
Heinlein did describe his daughters/wife ? as wearing a dress with one boob free in 'Number of the Beast'

Did the lack of a military career made him such a good writer? Did the lack of kids make him delve into the older man - younger women relationship? (Hey! Fijc?) Was he really an anti-feminist? Was he just 'allowing them liberties, like one would a favorite pet or a child'?

For that matter, did Celebr. Palsy cause the Ender-series?

Sorry to post so much in a row, I'm on a diff time table, hah!
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
And yes, TS, I think that was the case.

You're too young to remember Ken Bean, right? (Hint: He was suspended for a Right-wing rant that may or may not have ended in death threats to another member, and I was the token Liberal among the Ornery 8.) Well, he and I had a great 3 hour lunch together once upon a time.

However, I will admit that the ability to actually spend time with members of the opposite philosophy without becoming angry, and to actually enjoy your time together, is probably an OA phenomena; as we practice the "art" of getting along. Of seperating the person from the idea on a daily basis. Ken and his wife fly all over the country giving "new" limbs that operate by electrical signals from the brain to babies born without limbs. And even if they didn't perform this great service, Ken is a very intelligent man with a lifetime of wisdom and experience that a man would be a fool to disdain simply because of current political differences.

KE

[ September 18, 2005, 03:08 AM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
To get back on topic:
Wow girls, you all look amazing! Funean, you really don't look ... <whisper> 35-ish? </whisper> You look like a Sex and the City character, and also like a bit the only american girl I ever smooched [Wink] [Smile] she was around 5 feet, I'm 6.4 so ... big problem.
I've uptil now succesfully avoided to see any of the guys (by name alone one cannot tell sex), but I think i've eyeballed all the females [Wink]
If ever I post my pic online it will be here!
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
quote:
I've uptil now succesfully avoided to see any of the guys
Smart man. None of us are near as pretty as the women of OA.

KE
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
KE,
someone said to me here that he had so much patience with the etreme right winger here because he considered them his friends. I don't think that I could consider as my friends anyone that has such views as some of the worst persons around here. In theory maybe and maybe even in IRL, once. But I would really avoid to hang out with such. It's sorta hopeful in a treehugging mushy sorta way that you can, but I couldn't. The local neo-nazi was my history teacher, but he was very careful not to make remarks in my direction, but it still creeped me out. I really don't have friends on the other side of the pol spectrum, just acquaint. which is enough for me. Even if things don't get so heated up here in Europe.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
There are of course some things (philosphies, beliefs) that I find so loathsome that I could not overcome my dislike for the person that holds them, and therefore would not hang-out with those particular Ornerians, but I do have friends on the Dark Side. [Wink] But seriously, my best friend, a man I loved like a brother was the most Christian person I've ever met, (He drowned in Can Cun, he was one of the only Christians I've ever met who was so convinced he was going straight to Heaven when he died that he took risks with his life, risks that eventually killed him.) and I'm an atheist, so maybe it's just me.(Different time zone? What part of the world are you in?)

KE

[ September 18, 2005, 03:34 AM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
quote:
someone said to me here that he had so much patience with the etreme right winger here because he considered them his friends. I don't think that I could consider as my friends anyone that has such views as some of the worst persons around here. In theory maybe and maybe even in IRL, once. But I would really avoid to hang out with such. It's sorta hopeful in a treehugging mushy sorta way that you can, but I couldn't. The local neo-nazi was my history teacher, but he was very careful not to make remarks in my direction, but it still creeped me out. I really don't have friends on the other side of the pol spectrum, just acquaint. which is enough for me. Even if things don't get so heated up here in Europe.
If I was under the delusion that everyone politically opposed to me was some kind of foaming at the mouth abortion clinic bombing racist yahoo, I'd probably find it hard to be friends with them too. [Smile]
 
Posted by Dagonee (Member # 2212) on :
 
quote:
someone said to me here that he had so much patience with the etreme right winger here because he considered them his friends. I don't think that I could consider as my friends anyone that has such views as some of the worst persons around here.
Since we've yet to see any evidence of you attempting to find out what others' views are, instead merely grouping them into convenient little categories that don't tax your mind too much, I'm wondering how you even know this.
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
To put it somewhat more gently, if you were to try to understand WHY people hold the views they do, you might find that it makes more sense than you think. Not to say that your mind will change on the issue (though it might in some instances), but you will develop a sense of respect for the other perspectives. Or you'll come to the conclusion that they really are just idiots.
 
Posted by Paladine (Member # 1932) on :
 
TS Elliot-

My best friend's about as liberal as you are. Go figure. ::shrugs::
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Paladine,

If anything ever happens to your bf (God forbid) give me a call.

KE
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
quote:
"Amazing if this implies that fijc and tomD were hanging out together? Given their diametrically opposed stances on the political? Or did I read wrong?"
Yeah, Tom and Christy came to DC during the cherry blossom festival and we went around the tidal basin and out to eat at a good Italian restaurant in Dupont Circle that evening. It was fun and Tom and I seem to get on just fine. He is a very intelligent and interesting person.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
This thread is about PICTURES people, PICTURES. Focus. Eyes on the prize.

(am I backing you up, Funean?)
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
Anything that gets simplybio to use that many capital letters and so much correct pronunciation is Important.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Thank you, simplybio. Yes.

(get cracking, folks!)
 
Posted by potemkyn (Member # 1040) on :
 
So I met up with a couple of Ornery Members and I got pictures of them all. Here they are:
TS Elliot

Warsaw Pact

Hannibal

Enjoy!
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Ha!
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Pictures? PICTURES??? We don't need no stinking pictures!!!

...

OK, maybe just a few...

Sunset at West Thumb, Yellowstone. Taken by Moi.

Cape Royale, North Rim, Grand Canyon.

The backcountry of Bryce Canyon, Utah.

Garden of the Gods, Colorado.

My nephew and My dogter on a long trip.

Somewhere north of Moab, Utah.

Me and my Shadow.

The American Cemetary at Cambridge, England.

Currie and Mojo at play.

Me-on-Thames, London, England.

Izzat what use guyz wuz lookin fer?

Ed.

Fixed links (I hope...)

[ September 19, 2005, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: EDanaII ]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Them's good pitchers!
 
Posted by kidzmom (Member # 2015) on :
 
quote:
how much do we age this pic from what age?
Nice outfit, I don't get the fascination, but still .... read a lot of Marion Zimmer Bradley too?

TSE--hmm...well, the pic is about 2 years old, so she was about 19...age it, oh, maybe 15 years? I'm 46, but most people put me in my early-to mid-thirties. The costume is one of mine, from the days when I worked at an annual Renaissance Festival in the Houston area. Cait "appropriated" it from my closet a few years ago. [Wink] Haven't read MZB in many years.

KE--*snicker* as I think of Jeff Foxwothy...
("You wanna know what we're thinkin' about? I'll tell ya...we're thinkin'--'I wanna beer, an' I wanna see somethin' nekkid!' ")
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"And I as a big Laura bush on jesus nikes. Without that empty stare, of course."

Way back in 'oo, I thought Laura was kinda cute. Quaintly hot like a Sunday school teacher you always wanted to... you know. But these days she looks like Eternal Life on Valium. Yeah, those eyes are scary.

[ September 21, 2005, 02:16 AM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
@ Canadian:
quote:
Them's good pitchers!
Thanks, Canadian. [Smile] I'm particularly fond of that first one. It was just a damn-diddly-beautiful day, that one.

Ed.
 
Posted by jasonr (Member # 969) on :
 
More pictures ehh? I was supposed to be enraged in this picture and ready to smash things with a chair because a girl had written an article criticizing the article I wrote in our school newspaper. (I was an opinion editor) It never worked though. I think instead of looking enraged, I just looked like I was smirking. If only I could have found a baseball bat instead. Then I could have looked mad.

Jason with a chair
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Very good, very good!

Carry on, people, lest I start making demands of unrepresented individuals.

<wonders how long folks are going to put up with this, and cackles>
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Here is my most recent picture. Not wearing the usual glasses, but I freaking love this picture.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Cute picture.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Indeed (well, except for the bug)!

I suppose, if I'm going to harangue others, it is time for post 2003 updates:

Son undeterred by broken toe

Daughter snapping beans with Grandmother and Younger Uncle

Squinting into sun for Mom


all from this summer's trip to WV to see my family.

[ September 23, 2005, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Funean ]
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
Man, Funean, your infant daughter looks astonishingly like my infant daughter.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Have they ever been seen together?

Hmmm.

Actually, that might explain a few things.
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
That's not Cheat Lake behind you is it? I forget you were born a WV girl before you moved off to the big city.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
It's the Monongahela River, in fact!
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
Even better! Less commercialized (at least, as I remember it...I haven't been that far north in WV for some time). Your children are still beautiful, though I'm sure you aren't tired of hearing it yet!
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Thanks! No, please feel free to repeatedly praise my kids. They are awesome.

Cheat Lake is kind of horrid. Morgantown's version of the "beautiful people" own most of the surrounding land and there is very little public access. The riverfront, though, has always been skeevy and industrial. Lately they've been "revitalizing" it, and actually doing a decent job of it. Lots of cleanup and parks, which is really nice, because the Mon is a pretty cool river.

I am now embarking with the naming of names, starting with YOU, aupton. Come on, come on, give it up!
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
I actually have a link early on this thread, but I'll have another one later in the week of me in my natural environment...
 
Posted by aupton15 (Member # 1771) on :
 
http://psychology.utoledo.edu/default.asp?id=145

In the big picture, I'm towards the right (the shorter male, not the taller, slender female). Down the page I'm sitting in the blue and white shirt at a conference table (scoring a Rorschach test).
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Just for giggles, here's a few more... I gots a million of 'em. [Smile]

Dad at his old position. If yer a BF109 or an ME262, ya better not open this link. [Wink]

Mom at Rockingham. No, that's not O.J. hiding in the shadows. [Wink]

The Camp Robber. That grey blur above my hand is a Grey Jay, or "Camp Robber," known for stealing food from people's hands. He did too.

Lock Vale, Rocky Mountain National Park, Summer. Taken in the summer on a hike with a friend on my birthday.

Lock Vale, Rocky Mountain National Park, Winter. Taken six months later, during a blizzard.

Somewhere south of San Francisco.

Ed
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well done, well done!

(I'm getting my way! I'm getting my waaaay!!)
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Just 'cause I can, and to satisfy Funean and SB's need to be peeping toms...

Here's a video collage of my recent trip to the Grand Canyon. This trip was intended to celebrate Dad's Birthday and get his mind offof mom's death since it occured the following day. It's 18 megabytes and noisy, download it only if you got the bandwidth and you ain't at work.

And for those with better bandwidth, here's a 100 meg version.

Enjoy. If you dare. [Wink]

Ed.

Edited to add: it's also ten minutes long, so, only if ya gots the time too...

[ October 07, 2005, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: EDanaII ]
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
This one is from a recent vacation I took with my oldest brother.

I'm a sucker for this kind of thing, and so's my brother, so we took a few photos. The first one is my desktop now.

No Wood Gathering

Caught in the act -- compromising photo

[ October 16, 2005, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: WarrsawPact ]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Time for everyone to post their halloween costumes!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/sexay.jpg

I was a goff
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Whoa! Hot! Got any other angles?

KE
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
[Me raises one eye brow.]

Fascinating, Captain! [Wink]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Now you all have to post your halloween pictures. Remember, sharing is caring!
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Okay, so we missed out on the Halloween photos. Anyone got some of those holiday pics floating around out there?
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Me and da critter:

http://www.notes.co.il/berman/14563.asp

(4th pic)
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Great photo ricky. And you look exactly as I picture you.

Cute critter too [Smile]
 
Posted by Paladine (Member # 1932) on :
 
Really cute kid.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
Cute pictures Ricky! Your kid is really adorable, but you already know that. [Smile] I really enjoy being able to place a face with all of the familar screenames here. It makes everything much more personal.

Maybe sometime I'll post a picture of me and Blue.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Why thank you, m'lady and gents. [Big Grin]

The glasses, btw, are UNusual for me...I wear contacts (blessed be the inventor of soft contacts). I had a mild eye infection the week that one was taken.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Sorry, I had to. It's only been like a year...


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=19807831&imageID=760694976

Down girls, I'm taken [Smile]

... Or should I say 'barely legal'?

[ October 17, 2006, 05:32 PM: Message edited by: TommySama ]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
this deserves a <bump>
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Yes, and some of our new people need to pony up.
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
The only recent photos I could find were from a camping trip in october. I amn't usually bearded. (Sorry for extreme close up).

me.

From said camping trip, 'neath 2nd biggest tree in world:

what a poser

...and for dendrophiles, a picture of our campsite near a baby sequoia:

my other address
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
Me somewhere around last Christmas:

taking it easy

Me spitting a cricket
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
It looks like you have multiple arms in that 2nd pic shiva-bum.
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I should probably post a new picture, since I have hair now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/ibang.jpg

I had just trimmed my own bangs [Embarrassed]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/sparklyshoes.jpg

And that's like pair 34 of shoes.
 
Posted by ngthagg (Member # 2737) on :
 
Me, a couple of years ago:

http://jacksonfamily.ca/images/kevin_christmasmorning1.jpg

ngthagg
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
I think some of the noobies need to pony up, here
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well, sp did, but the others are all pikers.

Come ON, people. Pictures!!
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
Maybe I just don't want people to judge me by my appearance. Isn't that what the title of the thread says anyway? Besides I haven't been able to find a way of linking to a photo, because I try to stay an internet ghost.

How would I post a picture anyway?
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
There are a couple of services mentioned on the first couple of pages - free and you may remain incognito (especially if you wear a mask or other fetish gear)
 
Posted by DaveS (Member # 2734) on :
 
My daughter took this picture of me sitting near a campfire last year in Canada. I don't have many pics of myself, so this is as good as it gets. BTW, I've been posting here since January and nobody told me I was wrong when I started. I might have been and probably still am.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
No you're not [Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Lisa M., you keep getting cuter and cuter and cuter...

SeekProm are those really your irises?

Ngthagg, why is your living room leaning? Do you live in the Tower of Piza or something?

scifi, is that a name tag or a square black hole?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Oh, my 7th grade boy says y'all's pictures look like he imagines the rapists we tell him to look out for on myspace.com...
 
Posted by DaveS (Member # 2734) on :
 
Thanks, but I can still be embarrassed when I remember the immature gaffes of my youth, like some posts I made last spring. I keep a tight grip on the illusion that rightness and age will converge like railroad tracks on the horizon. I keep talking because I imagine that it will be somehow different when I get there.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Lisa those cheeks should be illegal, you little imp!
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
And their globular echoes below the clavicle... strictly verboten.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"I keep a tight grip on the illusion that rightness and age will converge like railroad tracks on the horizon. I keep talking because I imagine that it will be somehow different when I get there."

' Welcome to the afterlife: you are wrong.'

"So he thinks the world owes him a dying? What's another little mistake?" Kenneth Patchen

[ December 15, 2006, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Aww, ken - I was trying to be subtle...
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Try harder... but subtly...
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
I have to laugh at DaveS's alusion about the railroad tracks just because it is indeed only an illusion. [LOL] Just like the railroad tracks, when you get there you find they are still the same distance apart.

I'm still working on the picture.
 
Posted by DaveS (Member # 2734) on :
 
Ain't it a bitch.
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
So I figured it out finally. Afroing in the Gardens of the Whore of Babylon

That was about four years ago. I don't think I look much different now. The hair is shorter though.
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
Here's a more recent one. I'm currently back with the goatee. It's easier to tell the difference between two tall white guys at work when one has facial hair. I didn't mind the sacrifice. Helping My Wife Practice Face Painting

[ December 15, 2006, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: PanHeraclitean ]
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
Yeah KL, dem be ma real eyes. (I do wear contacts, but they're colorless).

I think that the real question is: Are those Pan's real eyes? (Dat boy, 'im got dee deveel in 'im. I seen da voodoo demon libbin' in 'im aize).
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
It's the fire of love I have while seeing my wife happy. Or maybe it is the fire of torment at sitting through my wife's painting. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Another tormented lover;) ord you look like someone I knew, although I can't recall whom.
 
Posted by ngthagg (Member # 2737) on :
 
Why is the room tilted? I helped my dad build that house . . . I don't remember if I helped frame that wall or not.

I have no idea what I was doing in that photo. I think my mom wanted a candid shot, and I was doing my best to prevent it.

Ooh, I just did that pose again, and it made me feel like saying, "Alas, poor Yoric." Picture a skull in my hand. Does it look like I'm reciting Shakespeare?

ngthagg
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
It looks like your mama was drunk [Wink]
 
Posted by Eric (Member # 2699) on :
 
OK...I'll pony up.

Here's me at Fruehlingsfest (Spring Festival) in Stuttgart, Germany last year.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
Since my old links don't work any more (I gotta stop rearranging stuff), here's some new links: My Vacation Page and My Album Page.


@ LisaM

Nice pics Lisa, but your goth pic still needs a whip. [Wink]

Ed.
 
Posted by DaveS (Member # 2734) on :
 
quote:
' Welcome to the afterlife: you are wrong.'
I won't have to read his columns in eternity, will I?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
No. Amazingly enough, while Ornery is his site, the Orson we read in the columns would NOT be welcome at Ornery. Not for his views per se but for how he argues them...
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by DaveS:
quote:
' Welcome to the afterlife: you are wrong.'
I won't have to read his columns in eternity, will I?
Probably, if you go to hell.
 
Posted by Carlotta (Member # 3117) on :
 
Photo

Finally. Here I am with my son. Any surprises?

[ December 18, 2006, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: Carlotta ]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Because of your name, I got the same picture of Beans Carlotta in the Ender Shadow series, so I always imagined you as being older (even though, in my brain, I knew you had a little boy.)
 
Posted by Carlotta (Member # 3117) on :
 
I named myself after Bean's Carlotta actually. Partly because I liked her Catholicism and partly because she was a Sister, and my brother is a sometimes poster here.
I just turned 25.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
So Carlotta

Who is your brother?

msquared
 
Posted by Carlotta (Member # 3117) on :
 
I'll have to ask him if I'm allowed to say. [Smile]
Of course I'm curious to know what people's guesses are.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
RedskullVW would be my first guess.

msquared
 
Posted by Carlotta (Member # 3117) on :
 
Nope, don't know him.
It's Thrasymachus. Brother in law, actually. He's the one who brought me here.
Ah, well, we had fun playing Val and Peter while it lasted. [Smile]
 
Posted by Thrasymachus (Member # 3090) on :
 
Oh no, my secret identity has been... oh wait, I'm still wearing my anonymity. Never mind. Carry on.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Oz?

You tell your boy to watch out for therapists on Myspace?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
I'm bumping, since someone referenced it.

Recent:
one

two (i'm on the left)

my personal favorite
 
Posted by MattP (Member # 2763) on :
 
What's with the tattoo?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
What, you can't read it? [Wink]
 
Posted by MattP (Member # 2763) on :
 
I spent a little while trying to decipher it, but it got kinda awkward what with the boobies an all. [Smile]
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
It's greek to me.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
What tatoo? [Smile]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
I need to update mine it's a few years old. I'm still the same height (obviously) and weight, but I'm getting old. My old pic

KE

[ February 08, 2007, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
So Carlotta said I would post a photo and doggonit I'm doin' it. Here are our munchins.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Pretty wife, cute kids.

KE
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
This is me too, seeing as though everyone else is baring their....pictures! lol!

http://babygirlie22.hi5.com

But bear in mind that i'm 3 months pregnant and already look like the Michelin man!

By the way Pan, you and Carlotta are a really cute couple [Smile]

xX scouse4lifeXx

[ February 08, 2007, 09:57 PM: Message edited by: scouser1 ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
It says "hubris" in ancient Greek.

Seriously.

Not kidding.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
which does, SB?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
The picture I posted on page 21 with the link title "two (i'm on the left)" will show you what I'm talking about.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
I'm looking, but I'm still not seeing a tattoo... [Wink]

[ February 09, 2007, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: DonaldD ]
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Ahh, the tattoo! I wanna have 1 on my booby, but now that i'm in the club i'm a bit scared of gettin it! Will have to wait til my boobies go back to normal size, then hopefully it wont look so stretched!! [Smile]
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
So are you making a statement that anyone looking there has an excessive pride to think you meant for them to look?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Yeah, I wouldn't get one right now when your body isn't in its usual state. I'd wait. All of mine are in places that don't change much regardless of weight/pregnancy/etc- I don't want to end up with a tattoo that USED to look like something cool.

I have plans for a couple more, but I haven't had the money. Plus, working for the school system, they're CRAZY about what you can and can't have- you can't have anything but your ears pierced and no visible tattoos. I have to hide my tongue piercing and chest tattoo, and thank goodness they haven't noticed that my ear piercings are unconventional as well (the holes are expanded to an 8 gauge hole).
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Pan- that's the first time anyone has postulated that interpretation. Generally I tell people that it's up to the reader to decide what it means.

Donald- hardy har.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Thats a good point..
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
So SB, why WOULD you choose that word and that placement together?
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Ive always liked where shaznay lewis from girlband the All saints' tattoo on her boobies. I thought that was a good place, and it can still be girly as well, it just shows when she has a push-up bra on! perfect!

http://www.tattoos-by-design.co.uk/celebrities/cttattoo.asp?celeb_id=237&tattoo=488

[ February 09, 2007, 11:44 AM: Message edited by: scouser1 ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Pan- Because it made me laugh. Still does.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
How long did it take you to decide that you wanted one there?
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
That's as good a reason as any.

Personally I don't like tattoos or piercings because I always imagine what it will look like when I'm 80 and the point that you brought up, that it costs money. I'm a cheapskate for the most part.

I also project my feelings on others if you haven't noticed. I usually have to have a well thought out reason for things.

So these two things make me ask my why questions all the time.

[ February 09, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: PanHeraclitean ]
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Well, piercings you can always take out. I had a couple that I took out a few years ago, and you can't even tell that they were there. They are largely committment-free.

I don't worry much about what they will look like when I'm 80- I mean, if I'm out showing off my cleavage when I'm 80, I have bigger problems than an old tattoo, right? I also figure that by then, removal will be cheaper and easier, and if it drives me crazy, I'll get rid of it.
 
Posted by MattP (Member # 2763) on :
 
It's a commitment thing for me. I don't think I could come up with something sufficiently profound or wonderful that I'd want it permanently inscribed on my body.

Also, I hear they hurt and I'm a wuss.

[ February 09, 2007, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: MattP ]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
That on my forearm. Awesome!
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
Same color scheme?

You could put one on either forearm and make them fight when your bored, just by flexing.
 
Posted by Ikemook (Member # 1519) on :
 
I can't stand the thought of having a tattoo on me.

I'm scared of needles *_*

And I'll have to find a picture of myself somewhere. Where I'm not looking annoyed, frustrated, or tired ^_~

--David

[Edited b/c I used the wrong word...]

[ February 09, 2007, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: Ikemook ]
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
I want a tattoo of an oyster. On my foot.

It's going to be one of those things that is incredibly symbolic and meaningful to me, but everyone who sees it is going to be all "WTF, why is there a clam on your foot?"

Also, I don't remember the last time I posted a picture here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/thelisafaerie/me.jpg
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
"You could put one on either forearm and make them fight when your bored, just by flexing."

Apparently there are tattoo's that you change when you flex them.

Goku (symbolically) on my right arm. Frieza, Cell, or Buu on my left arm.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Heres my 2, and believe me, it took me aaaaages to decide what I wanted!!

Devil on my shoulder
http://www.ringo.com/photos/album/photo.html?photoId=141216588&albumId=39748802

My other 1 on my lower back, and believe me, even though I have meat there, the outline bloody killed!!
http://www.ringo.com/photos/album/photo.html?photoId=118055080&albumId=38899686
 
Posted by Lisa M. (Member # 2398) on :
 
Scouser - we can't see them without logging in [Frown]
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
well, u should all be a member then! tis a great little photo sharing site, I highly recommend it [Big Grin]

Sorry about that, here is another try, just scroll down the page a bit and there they are..

http://pic5.piczo.com/scousepartygirl/?g=18351263&cr=5

[ February 10, 2007, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: scouser1 ]
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Took me nearing on 3 years to decide to get the 1 on my back, but with the other 1, as soon as i saw it on 1 of the old Nokias i knew i wanted it as a tattoo..
 
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 1392) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by simplybiological:

I'm bumping, since someone referenced it.

Recent:
one

two (i'm on the left)

my personal favorite

Ooh, you look like Ugly Betty. (Who I think is cute in a buttoned-up way, so that's a compliment.)
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Ouch, that really isn't a compliment. And I reallllly don't see the resemblance.
 
Posted by Omega M. (Member # 1392) on :
 
Oh, sorry then. I haven't watched the show that much. I think I was just looking at your style of glasses. I thought I was making an interesting compliment.
 
Posted by PanHeraclitean (Member # 3120) on :
 
There are certain words and phrases that, no matter what follows or precedes it, connote a definite negative vibe to the comment. Examples of this are "Rape only hurts if you fight it," Ugly Betty, and fat. For instance, "I think your fat is lovely" will only get you a slap in the face or a night on the couch.

No matter how witty you are, try not to use words that will suck you into the vortex of stupidity.

As a compliment that I hope you can take positively, Carlotta likes the way you dress SB.

[ February 13, 2007, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: PanHeraclitean ]
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
I think SB looks like Tina Fey. A younger, hotter Tina Fey.

msquared
 
Posted by IanO (Member # 688) on :
 
I think SB is hot.

should this thread be renamed the SB appreciation thread?
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
It's ok, Omega--- I know it's mostly the glasses, I just kind of balked at being compared to a TV character who is supposed to be unattractive, though the actress is quite cute.

Hehe, thanks guys.
 
Posted by IanO (Member # 688) on :
 
well, here I am:

http://www.ogequip.com/temp2/stuff.html
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
I have a my space site now! woo! [Big Grin]

www.myspace.com/la_femme_firecracker
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
in case it matters, and for pics i guess.

http://www.myspace.com/fotwennytime
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Dude, are you way older than your gf?
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
uh oh. my secret is out. 3 and a half years now.
she's been to 2 ornerycons with me. i'm kinda surprised it hasn't come up before.

yes, i'm about 11 and a half years older than her. believe me, i know all the downsides. no worries though, its almost over. yes i know i'm a horrible person.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Oh, I wasn't judging. I just remembered you'd been with her for a while, and HELLO illegal. hehe.

Myspace is so great for stalking.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
we started dating when she was 15, nothing illegal happened. we had dated something like 9 months before she turned 16, the legal A.o.C. in ohio.

by that time i was already cool with her parents. i could hang out at her house at any time. the fact that i have known her parents for around 15 years now was a complication. luckily they knew i was a decent guy who would treat her well.

with all the problems we've had recently, her mom keeps telling me that she still wants me to come over and hang out, if my girl and i do break up.

i had all kinds of doubts at the beginning of this relationship. i remember i started a thread about the difference between morals and ethics, when i was debating whether or not i should pay attention to this very young girl, who kept hitting on me. i told her i'm going to prison, hell or both if we did this thing. we talked about it, and over a course of about 3 months, she wore me down.

i didnt commit any felonies, i did commit the misdemeanor of contributing. getting along with her family was a lucky break there.

wow, ummm, i'm sure you can understand why i never directly brought it up before. its never been something i was willing to debate. i know most of ornery is analytical rather than judgemental. however, in my personal life, and at work, i've been threatened and condemned over it many times.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
oh yeah, myspace is evil. it is kinda usefull though. my girl still gets jealous, even though shes got like 70 more friends than me, many of them guys who hit on her. one of them being the guy she cheated on me with a couple of weeks ago.

he's the guy on the top row of her friends list, right next to my picture. and it was about 2 weeks of fighting, to get me higher than him.

but she still gets jealous over me, so any cute women that wanna add me as a friend feel free. i think jealousy is the only way she realizes she still wants me in her life..
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Tony

If you know it's over....maybe you should just yank the band-aid off all at once?
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
sigh, if only it were that simple. in the last month, i've thought things that have truly scared me. i've gone so far as to check myself into the mental hospital, only to lie my way out after the first question they asked me behind locked doors was "have you ever had electro convulsive therapy?"

5 minutes ago, i was leaving. i told her goodbye. i told her i would be back for my stuff after i found a place to stay. i was driving out of town.

i couldn't do it. never in my life, have i met a person, that i couldn't walk away from. i've never been co-dependant before. it's compulsive.

if she would just tell me its over, i could get my cry on and do whatever i need to do. she wont do it. even after the worst v-day i've ever had, i can't walk away. its not that i cant imagine a life without her. it's not that i couldn't find someone else to date. its not that i couldn't find someone who would treat me better. it's that i have conditioned my brain to think that its my job to take care of her. its my job to treat her as well as i can.

its going to be a long time before i can readjust my thinking enough to have my concept of beauty encompass anyone but her.

and then theres hope. hope is a bastard. i hope that at some point she'll calm down. i hope that at some point she will want to treat me right. i hope that all this is just because she's 18, and hormones they be a ragin.

self defeat tells me otherwise, yet i dont give up. i should, intellectually i know this. i just cant think past the pain. every now and then i have a moment of clarity. a brief shining instant, where i realize that i've done all i can.

then i outthink myself. i think of one more thing to try. one more reason to hope. i should give up.

i can't. eventually my neurosis will remove my choice in the matter. eventually she will leave me, unable to stand the hurt i can't seem to shut off. for right now though, i'm gonna keep bouncing between hope and despair.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Aw, I didn't mean to start THIS conversation.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Tony:

If you don't write fiction, you should. You have an uncanny gift for maximum dramatic clarity in minimal verbiage.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
If you wanna be with someone, you dont shag someone else behind their backs, its just wrong. Whoever does that is wot I call "Greedy Cakes", which is basically they want their cake and eat it, they want you, go mad if you are talking to anyone else, or sometimes even looking at someone else, but its ok for them to go off behind your back and shag someone else!
Sorry, but I would have dumped her arse there and then. If she wants you as much as she should, she shouldnt need to get off with someone else. And now, you know she is capable of doing it. So the sign you have given is telling her that she can get away with it, so theres nothing to stop her from doing it to you again. And your paranoia is gonna kick in...
"why didnt she answer the phone to me?" etc..
Believe me, a lepoard never changes its spots, once its done, theres no going back, believe me, i've had the same done to me, and I thought I could forgive him, but now I realise I couldnt even if I wanted to, i'd be too paranoid, and considering he lived hundreds of miles away...and now I also realise...WOT AN UGLY **** HE WAS!!! [Smile]

Edited because I was typing fast and there was loads of typos [Frown]

**Further edited by OM for vulgarity.**

[ February 15, 2007, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: OrneryMod ]
 
Posted by rightleft22 (Member # 2832) on :
 
quote:
"and then theres hope. hope is a bastard."
“As a species we’re doomed by hope, yes hope. Hope drives us to invent new fixes for old messes, which in turn create even more dangerous messes. Hope elects the politician with the biggest empty promise; and as any stockbroker or lottery seller knows, most of us will take a slime hope over prudent and predictable frugality. Hope, like greed, fuels the engine of capitalism” (Want). - Margaret Atwood

The striving grasping, crying for meaning slips through our fingers just as we think we found that which will set us free… but then we don't really want to be free... that is the tragedy. - John Gray
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
S.B. it's not your fault, my brain doesn't wanna work in any other mode right now. it's hard to disassociate, while the stress is still going on.

K.L. thank you, you sure know how to charm a guy.

Scouser. i used to be a very bad person, i've cheated on most of my girlfriends. it took a couple of very hard lessons to make me change, but my spots are different now. as i love her, i offer her the same level of understanding and forgiveness i give myself. she is just 18, she is still learning. she also knows whats gonna happen if it happens again.

R.L.22 tragedy indeed
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Get out.

Now.

Ut-ut-ut!

Now.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
we're packing her stuff now, she just left to get her brother to help her.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Is that it then? Is it over?
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Tony, I've spent my fair share of time playing whack-a-mole with that last friggin demon out of the box too.

You just need to meet a girl in that transient window between innocent cruelty and entrenched bitterness.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
yeah, its over. she seems to be entertaining the idea that she can come back later. i wont go through this again. she's shown me exactly how much my feelings mean to her. as stoned as i can get, i'll never forget that.

jesse: i'm not looking for anyone else. before heather i dated a girl named melanie for 3 months. after her i had given up looking. i went 4 years before i met heather. no dating, no casual hookups, nothing. when i get done crying over it, mysogeny is going to kick in pretty hard.

anyone i date before i get heather outa my head is going to be seriously short changed, when i try to replace what i had.

the bitterness will come with the realization that i'm alone again. my greatest fear in the matter, is that i wont be able to control my contempt for most of society. its sad that the happiest i've been in my life was in a relationship where i was lied to and cheated on, on multiple occasions. eventually i'm going to get mad about that. right now i just need to cry it out.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
I didn't mean tomorrow, tony [Wink]

It's ok to hate the world for a while, just do your level best not to take it out on anyone in it.

After my first girlfriend, I ran off and hid in the woods for nearly four years with no available women in sight anywhere.

Cry it out. Get angry. It's good, and it's healthy. Just don't let it wreck you.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
I have the opposite problem... all the dating stuff just rooooolls right off me. I think I've only been sad about two, and only really wrecked about one. The rest of the time, it barely affects me. I feel like an evil robot.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
That's simply unbiological.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
it seems she is entertaining ideas about coming back. she says were not broke up, she's just moving out. feels like its over to me.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
I think shes playing more games with you tony. Its either over or its not. Shes just moving out to kick you in the teeth. Why would she move out if you have a pretty good setup already?? no one deserves what your going through. I think its her immaturity shining through..
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Dude, my brother went through something similar.

Nothing we could say would help him, he was so messed up and obsessed.

Years later, he's happy, healthy and amazed by how crazy he was acting over a girl that he sees now wasn't worth his time.

I know, in your head you may be thinking, "this isn't the same! I know it's bad, but I LOVE HER!"

It's an addiction.

A really, really bad addiction. When things start going good (for however very brief a time)you get a huge rush of emotional endorphins that you're confusing with "meaning" in the relationship.

Just walk away.

If it's meant to be, six months from now it will still be meant to be.

But you have to get YOURSELF right first.

Close the door and walk away.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
immaturity, addiction,obsession, all salient, and relevant points. i can't argue against them when i see the truth of it.

i do love her. i do want to continue being good to her. however, that is no longer my choice. i asked her point blank if she could promise me fidelity, she said no. i might be a sucker, but i'm not that big of a sucker.

i'm not even trying to get ahold of her anymore. i'm definitely not taking care of her anymore.
if she does deign me worthy of a visit, or some real conversation, i'm gonna try my level best to break it off clean. as good as i've felt with her, i can't trust her anymore. without trust it's just not worth it. i don't say that i dont trust her because of the cheating, thats something i've learned to get over quickly. i can't trust her because she really doesn't care how i feel. no ammount of pain or sacrifice on my part will change that.

i've got the intellectual part down. all i gotta do is grow a pair and end it. i don't even think she'll cry over it.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Oh hun don't worry, everyone is here for you babe [Smile] xXx
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Oh, she will Tony, it just might take ten years.

She's gotta go through life being her, you get to go through life being you.

If I can offer a piece of advice?

Never volunteer to be "training boyfriend".

It's a lousy job and even when they thank you a decade and half later, it still doesn't feel worth it.
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
quote:
Jesse:
Never volunteer to be "training boyfriend".

What's a "training boyfriend"?
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
Wow tony. It sounds like she's very immature. Uninformed on these matters as I am, I'd guess that the best thing for both of you would be to leave her and refuse to return. You've learned certain facts of life through first hand experience, and you can help teach her a similar lesson by demonstrating that there are consequences to bad decisions. Hopefully this will free you to find someone who is comparable in maturity to you.

Good luck. I hope you see this as a chance to be free from what appears to have become a destructive relationship.
 
Posted by The Drake (Member # 2128) on :
 
Makes me glad I disavowed relationships after my divorce.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
it is indeed now over. after spending last night with the guy she cheated on me with, she finally told me that she doesn't care about my feelings anymore. now i can get on with taking care of the things i need to do.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
That's really awful. But then, these are the dangers of dating younger....
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Makes me glad I found a great women and she was stupid enough to marry me. Tony, they are out there.

KE
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
KE:

My day after Valentine's Day (OK, TWO days after V-Day) gesture of devotion:

"Wife," I said, holding her close, "when I met you I was just trying to get lucky. And I DID."
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Awwww!! Thats so sweet!! Cheesy, but sweet!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Sweet n' Cheezy

You could market that sh!t, KL.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
It's called, love, y'all, and it ain't for sale, no matter how irresistibly sweet'n'cheesy it seems [Wink]
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
evil, evil love. so my now ex-girlfriend is moved out.

i wake up at 5:30 this morning, and she's standing in the door to my bedroom staring at me. scared the crap outa me.

last night she started texting me, upset at my choice of roommate. her jealousy was a ragin, she went from anger, to despair, to cold ass shunning. she agreed to come over and talk today.

finding her here when i woke, was kind of a shock. not because she broke in or anything, she still has stuff here, and her key. the shock was that she didn't come over to get her stuff. she came over to hang out, and stare at me while i was sleeping.

we talked for a little bit, she was cold, witdrawn. so i guess mostly i talked. i drove her home, dropped her off. came home and we exchanged a couple of texts again, with the end result, of me returning to her house with some breakfast.

awkward silence, broken only by the crinkle of the sausage biscuit wrapper pervaded, the atmospere. 5, 7, 10 minutes go by. i start talking. i start telling her about the bitterness i'm feeling. with each sentence i pick up intensity, the bitterness creeps further into my tone. by the time i was halfway thru a 20 minute rant she was crying. i cant stand hurting her. at this point i'm feeiling guilty, and want nothing more than to comfort her. i cant stop though. i try to turn the direction towards something less blaming. i half succeed, with a switch to ranting about how great our life together is, and how it shouldn't just be thrown away.

i dont think it changed anything. she's still not going to care about how i feel. but i could be wrong. i suppose i'll find out later today or tommorrow, when she either comes to talk, or get the rest of her stuff
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Cut the cord, sunshine. This long drawn out thing is going to slowly break your spirit.

She needs to give you back the key or agree to come over only at specified times. Preferably the former. She's engaging in very manipulative behavior- coming over at weird hours and then acting cold indicates (to me) that she's coming over to check and see if you still care about her (e.g., can she upset you? can she make you feel bad? etc) and then when she's gotten what she came for, she shuts down.

This is not specific to your lady, T, I acknowledge that I don't know her lala, but...

WHY WHY WHY do men go out with women who behave like this? I have actually had relationships end because I'm too reasonable, and it's just more than I can wrap my head around. I hate fighting, I try to resolve things calmly and reasonably, I don't get jealous... It's almost as if men expect women to be a little crazy, and if they aren't they think it's a character flaw.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Wake up and smell the coffee, hun!

The reason why the whole drama you just explained happened is for 1 reason:

"upset at my choice of roommate" BANG! there ya go, as SB says, cut all ties with her, its gonna torture you more than it does her, you are the one thats been cheated, not her, and still, its her that is holding all the cards??

You must be crazy...she's taking you for a ride because she can, and you are the mug that is at her beck and call

[ February 20, 2007, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: scouser1 ]
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
yeah, crazy, weak, slightly stupid. i don't look for drama. one of our main agreement points at the very beginning, was that drama was stupid. there have been plenty of examples of drama around her group of friends. we used to enjoy that our relationship wasn't like that.

when i was younger, the main reason i recieved when a girl broke up with me was, that i was either too understanding, or i cared too much. i never understood how those were flaws.

oh well, we'll see what happens. the ex is supposed to be getting her stuff out tonight. and the new roommate is supposed to be bringing the beginning of her stuff tonight. i have some drama ahead of me either way.

i do still care, i still think that she is the best thing to ever happen to me. that said, once the new roommate is moved in, i'll probably never hear from her again.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
is it kendall?
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
why yes, yes it is.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
quote:
WHY WHY WHY do men go out with women who behave like this? I have actually had relationships end because I'm too reasonable, and it's just more than I can wrap my head around. I hate fighting, I try to resolve things calmly and reasonably, I don't get jealous... It's almost as if men expect women to be a little crazy, and if they aren't they think it's a character flaw.
I've often philosophized that among key differences between men and woman are two fundamental things: men (typically) know what they _want;_ Women (typically) know how they _feel._ I often reckon these two things with a physical vector, with feelings equating towards motion, and wants equating towards direction.

A vector with zero motion, goes nowhere. A vector with random direction also, in the long run, goes nowhere. In an ideal relationship, when a man and woman come together, they bring two things that not only gets the relationship moving (emotion), but gives it purpose (wants).

People like having a purpose and direction in life. Such a "vector" makes them feel needed, important, useful. When a woman enters a man's life, she can often motivate him in ways he didn't know was possible. For a woman, a man can help a seemingly chaotic life feel more ordered and purposeful by helping her decide her options.

Why do men go out with women like this? Because some men, having little or no motivation can find themselves addicted to the emotional uplift that a woman can bring. While random purpose can ultimately be no different than going nowhere, it still feels like moving to the man. That man can feel like he has a purpose, even if it may not be a good one.

Why do women go out with men that ignore their needs and treat them like crap? Because it still provides a direction for them. The man might be taken her to a place she doesn't necessarily want to go, but... at least she's going _somewhere._

Two cents...


@ tonylovern

SB and scouser are right. You need to do one of two things. Either dump her, as they suggest, or set her priorities for her. If you do the latter, as I suggest, you still run the risk of losing her, but you also stand the chance of taking control of _both your lives_ for the better. If you dump her, OTOH, she may realize that you are important to her, and decide for herself what's best. Either way, you must be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

My opinion? Do what's best for you, but make sure you do not neglect her needs too. Find a balance that helps the both of you, but remember that not all things are meant to be.

Ed.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
(insert big long sigh)

excellent rationalization Ed. i certainly cant dispute it.

her needs seem to revolve around space, and freedom, from what i understand. she has moved out, and i dont contact her anymore. we're broke up and i have a roommate moving in that makes her extremely jealous.

its completely out of my hands now. i should get her key back today. i'm serious when i say that she may never talk to me again. the only hope of a resolution in this matter, is if she packs about 5 years of introspection in between, the time she wakes up, and the time she comes to get the rest of her stuff.

yes the ex has the power. i'll not deny it. i'm a sucker for the woman i love. i forgave her cheating on me, and after a solid month, of anxiety, depression, and anger, i still want to be with her. she is still the most beautifull woman on the planet to me. it doesn't make sense. only a fool would go through this willingly. well, i am a fool.

if today goes the way i expect it to, i'll be done by tonight. then i can get on with the crying and missing her. i've been lucky to have people to talk to. people that talk sense to counter my crazy talk. it has helped a lot. i thank you all for your advice. i hope i can find the sense to take it.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I have only this advice:

since you're in this mess, and it has such a powerful effect on you, ask questions on how to deal with being love-torn for possibly many years.

Start creating a personality that functions independently of the enormous hole your ego finds itself currently in. Because, if I'm right, that hole will exist for a long time.

Of course you want to be with her. She's the closest thing to heaven you've known as an adult. An addiction to the heaven of a woman distracts one from where one lives. Earth.

Bypassing terra firma in such manner, gravity leads one to hell.

She has no power. She's just a woman. A human being with female genes.

You have power. Stop focusing on what you've lost or are willing to further lose in order to delude yourself that you might gain her back in some reliable way or that she's worth it despire showing herself a hellish heaven.

Focus instead on how you're going to survive -- and expidite -- the certain descent from your heart through your bowels and out your asshole that such romantic, self-deluding collapses usually require

The sooner you pull your head pout of your ass, the sooner you can **** yourself out of same, clean youself off, and get on with things remarkably stronger and wiser.

Landmine blows your leg off, the leg's GONE.

It's not just that I'm an asshole, tl. It's also that I went through something very much like this, and in some ways worse, and it took me FOREVER to heal. By the time I did, I'd lost a whole lot more than just the questionable love of a woman I found insanely meaningful. I'd lost a bunch of myself It'd sat too long in my bowels, obstructed by that head I insisted on keeping up my ass in order to shut out the light of day. When it finally passed through, there was a bunch of me beyond cleaning up, and it was much more than just the chunk of my heart she'd broken off (because I kept on sticking it in her way).

You're not a fool. You're just being foolish.

Now me: I'M a fool. So do what I say [Wink]
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
Oz:

I sense a pun. Couldn't find a way to fit a "y" in there? Maybe "all love-torn-y" or "lovey-torn"? Hmmm. I guess it doesn't work quite as well.

tony: Everyone seems to be giving you good advice, and it all seems to have the same gist. Time to move forward. You obviously need time and space to get your head straight. Once she and her stuff are out of the apt, make sure you take the time and space.

Don't get sucked back into the spin with late-night phone calls and bull**** closure talks. Closure is something you can only get after you've already moved on.

kenmeer's advice was...well, scatological--but also incredibly apt. Time to figure out how to survive. Your life has changed, clinging to a dead and festering limb will only let the infection spread. Time to amputate and focus your energy on rehabilitation.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
A friend of mine has a three-month rule - at the end of a serious relationship, if at all possible (no child or legal entanglements obviously) have absolutely no contact with the person for a minimum of three months - longer for long-term relationships.

Hard and fast rule. No exceptions. This means you don't have any opportunity to rationalize anything. Nada. Zilch.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"kenmeer's advice was...well, scatological--but also incredibly apt."

Straight from the apt-hole...

In tl's case, I recommend a hard and fast rule of 3 years. With added hostility. Like whenever you bump into her, be sure and call her the C-word.

That should ensure adequate quarantine.
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
I agree whole-heartedly with the no-contact rule.

I wanted to say something to that effect, but could not find a way to put it so succinctly.
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
"added hostility" [LOL]

Sounds like a military term. "Eliminate all contact--proceed with extreme prejudice!"
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Forget the inner child tony...you seriously need to get in touch with your inner bastard.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"inner bastard"

... this evokes exquisite imagery ...
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Ed, your vector metaphor didn't really make any sense to me. I think men expect (for whatever reason) a degree of crazy to flow from women, and they mistake "emotionally stable" with "emotionally absent." I am the first to admit that I occasionally err on the side of the latter, but it's not a personality flaw. I'd much rather be that way than be some Emotional Creature. I'm independent and really darn happy, and I end up with men relying on me for their happiness, and I can't stand it.

Tony-
Don't listen to these jerks- you don't need to be hostile to her, but do explain to her that you need some distance before you can talk about things.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
very rarely can i be hostile to her. i have an inner bastard. he's loud demanding and aggressive.

i've gone to a lot of trouble to keep her from ever meeting him.

she hasn't gotten ahold of me today. im assuming that means she's going to get her stuff while i'm at work tommorrow.

unless she's got more craziness planned for me. in that case, i'll be neurotic instead of depressed for a few more days.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Don't listen to these jerks- you don't need to be hostile to her, but do explain to her that you need some distance before you can talk about things."

We ain't recommending he be hostile her tp show her anything.

We're recommending it so she'll be so disgusted with him she'll stay away from him.

Which will be good for him.

If he tries to be a nice guy about it, he'll suffer that much more.

But no matter. He'll do what he does, period.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
P.S. Don't listen to that bitch, tl [Wink]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Robin, the alcohol 'proof' on the other thread was LOL. [Smile]

KE

[ February 20, 2007, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Y'know, I recently came to appreciate whiskey. Never was a hard liquor man, but was a time there when all I coud do, pretty much, was sit most of the day, and I came to enjoy good sipping whiskey.

Wiser's canadian. Standard, not the fancy ****.

That phase has gone. But I still retain my new found reverence for good whiskey.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
@ simplybiological:
quote:
Ed, your vector metaphor didn't really make any sense to me. I think men expect (for whatever reason) a degree of crazy to flow from women, and they mistake "emotionally stable" with "emotionally absent." I am the first to admit that
Yes, SB, but suspect you are the exception and not the rule. [Smile]

All I'm really saying is that the nature of the relationship is codependency, that men and women need something from each other to form a solid bond, and that when one person brings more to the relationship than the other, the latter may find themselves too dependent. In the context I identified, it was a man's ability to make decisions, and a woman's zest for life. Although, I also believe there is more to that symbiosis than just those two things.

quote:
I occasionally err on the side of the latter, but it's not a personality flaw. I'd much rather be that way than be some Emotional Creature. I'm independent and really darn happy, and I end up with men relying on me for their happiness, and I can't stand it.
That's because you're looking for someone who will stand with you, not on you or under you. IMHO, the ideal of relationship is _two people doing what they want, together._ And, by that, I simply mean, two people sharing the same purposes and objectives in life.

Of course, the problem with that ideal is that, if those two people are too independent, eventually their priorities will change and they will part. So, you need a _little_ codependency if the relationship is to last.

Two more cents... [Smile]

Ed.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
My boss at Job #2 gave me the best possible romantic advice (AHEM, Tony):

If you spend all your time in a relationship worrying about the other person, you'll never be happy. I'm not saying you shouldn't care about them, or be concerned with their feelings- I'm saying that if you're constantly concerning yourself with Where You Stand and if they like you too much/just right/not enough, you'll make everyone miserable.
I say, do the things you want to do. Interact with the other person in the way that is ideal for you to interact in a relationship, in the way that makes you happy. If it makes them happy too, and they want to do the things you want to do, THAT is a good relationship. Of course compromises will be made, nothing's perfect, but if you approach it like this, you'll be a lot happier in the long run.

[I reworded it to sound like good ol SB writing, but that's the jist of what he told me]

This is why I put a barrel-chested ex-navy guy with a giant walrus mustache in charge of my relationships- that's EXACTLY the advice I need. And, from the looks of it, that's what Tony needs too.

Additionally, I once put a post-it saying, "He's a Guy, not a God," in my friend's notebook because she kept getting out of perspective about relationships. I suggest, Tony, that you put one saying, "She's a Girl, not a Goddess," on your bathroom mirror.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Ala Tori-

"You can make me ***, that doesn't make you Jesus"

-----

The "inner bastard" remark isn't a suggestion to berate someone or go out of the way to hurt them, it's about knowing when it's time to be cold and think about yourself for once.

Lovesick Sap: But, how will she get along without me?

Inner Bastard: Not our friggin problem.

Lovesick Sap: But, I need her!

Inner Bastard: Punk, you don't "need" anyone.

Lovesick Sap: But, I miss her!

Inner Bastard: Bad Smell. Walk away.

Recommended Listening

Red Hot Chili Peppers : No Chump Love Sucker

Off Spring : Self Esteem
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
ok, heres an update, prepare yourselves for disapointment.

this morning i walked out on her, i told her i give up. i went back 5 minutes later. we talked, somehow or another there was a breakthrough, she made a monumental step. she asked how i felt. we talked some more.

we decided that her parents house, was not the most private place for our discussion. we came back here. she looked around the apartment, and started crying. she ran into the bedroom, now devoid of all her things, sat down to cry, and saw my new roommates belongings.

the drama increased 10 fold at that moment. as the full reality of the decisions that she's made came crashing in, i was unable to help her at all. no kind words, no reassurances, no comforting murmurs would help. she cried, and she shook, and she raged.

as her tears subsided, she opened up to me, about how she felt. we communicated better today than we have in a long time. periodically throughout the day, she would see things that upset her. she would relapse into crying, but she wouldn't shut me out. we're not back together. she hasn't moved back in. my new roommate situation is in limbo. there was no real resolution, yet i'm happy.

i understand better, what her needs are. she has shown me that she better understands what my needs are. as to everything else, well, one step at a time. there was no resolution, it's still a work in progress, however, i'm much less neurotic over it. tonight i will sleep well.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
Cut. The. Cord.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Cut. The. Cord."

What a jerky thing to say. According to some, at least.

Perhaps now you might begin to understand why we advise tl to be an outright bastard to the girl? It's to make her so dislike him that an allergy will, in effect,m be established so she'll stay away from him.

Because he obviously can't stay away from her. And, it seems, vice-versa.

Renounce the demon rum!

Cutting the cord is like self-adminstering a circumcision.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
i know it defies logic. i can't be mean to her. i can't walk away. i must be weak. i've been with enough girls to know how the emotions go. every girlfrien i've ever had, has either, lied to me, cheated on me, jerked me around emotionally, or got knocked up by my brother.

when i talk of my mysogeny, its rooted in 19 years of dating experience. yes my first g/f was at age 11, and before you think, thats not the same, she was 13 and yes sex, and infidelity were involved.

i know how the emotions go, i've never been as happy or as miserable, as i have been with this girl. everything about her and our life together is exceptional. this is an exceptional love. it stands to reason, that an exceptional love, may require exceptional understanding. it may require exceptional patience, and it may require exceptional sacrifice.

i'm willing, she's debating. she understands what i need from her. i think i understand what she needs from me. at least she addressed most of my needs yesterday.

i think it's worth it to keep trying.
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
I assume you're seeing an analyst about that? Seriously.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Aye, no insult intended, but Tony...

You may want to talk to someone.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
99 times out of a hundred she will cheat again and again, but I was a philanderer until I met Stacy and I changed my ways (18 years and counting). So it can be done. Though I hate to give you false hope.

KE
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Ah, KE, but you didn't cheat on Stacy again and again and then quit, did you?

I cheated on an ex of mine, and I lost her as a result, and I felt like crap and learned my lesson...but if I hadn't lost her...would I have done it again?

I can't honestly say.

I've never cheated on my wife, (nine years this summer), but that's got as much to do with lessons learned as my love for her.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
lol, yeah i did see someone for that. i checked myself into the mental hospital. unfortunately, they were more concerned with electroconvulsive therapy, and what kind of restraints i prefer, rather than why i was feeling as bad as i was.

i know i can't explain to your satisfaction why i think there is still hope. maybe it has something to do with the fact that when she cheated on me, she told me, that day. she wasn't mean or hurtfull about it. but she didn't hide it.

she really is the best thing to ever happen to me. the only proof i can offer this forum, is my origional introduction, on page six of the the "its time for introductions thread" under the name fotwennytime. she's made me a better person. she hasn't made any mistake, that i myself haven't made. whether she hurts me again in the future is irrellevant. when theres no more hope, i will give up hope.

i owe her this much at least, she's changed me in ways, i never thought mattered before. from the way i dress, to how i cut my hair, to the way i feel about the rest of humanity. she has made me a better happier person. even if i never get her back, she taught me how to enjoy life. i can't forget that, and i won't forsake it.
 
Posted by simplybiological (Member # 1344) on :
 
KL, I don't advocate being a bastard to anyone, certainly not the ones you love. I do advocate some self-imposed time apart. There's a difference. Don't start baiting me.


Tony--
A couple of years ago I had this amazing relationship that really changed who I was and how I expressed myself. But the whole thing ultimately wasn't healthy (nothing horrifying, not worth going into), and it ended. I was a mess... and you know what? Sometimes, 2.5 years later, I STILL will get kind of stuck thinking about it and I get in a really bad place. That doesn't mean I should be with him, and it doesn't mean that I can't go on with things.
Find yourself a good counselor... lots of places have sliding scales if you can't pay a lot- you don't need to go to the mental hospital.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Then don't be baited.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
but, kl is a master.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Don't start baiting me. "

The irony of this is so richly carbonous as to deserve annealing. (The difference between a pot and a kettle is a spout. Kettles tend to focus their steam saliently; pots tend to boil over.)

Can tl cut the cord in a fair and loving manner, should he decide that cutting is what is best? I doubt it, based on what he's told us. He's described, in orderly detail, his inabilities in this regard. (I relate strongly to those inabilities, having been very similar myself back in the day.)

The bastard approach is an alternate method for cord-cutting: getting the other to do it for you. It's proactive codependent judo. Use your opponent's weight against them.

I'm all for good counseling, too. Sounds like tl started young and developed some deep issues. Whatever happens with this relationship, good conseling could provide him with valuable insights and some good tools. I'm all for gentle healing.
A softer landing is generally preferable than a crash landing. But any landing you can walk (or run) away from.

For now, though, picture yourself flying an airplane, through dense fog and your own tears, into a suddenly inflamed mountainside. Your co-pilot (girlfriend) has, meanwhile, parachuted to a less certain doom awhile before.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
since this whole thing started, i've had exactly one person, suggest ways to work it out. everyone else, has simply told me to leave.

does love mean so little? are faith, and hope, vices now?

i know i bounce back and forth, at least as much as she does. i've said before, i could be dating again this weekend. there is no shortage to the comfort i could find. from the shear numbers of girls i haven't talked to for years, getting ahold of me to console me, i know this as fact.

it may not work out, it certainly doesn't seem like it's going to at this moment, seeing as how we're broke up right now. yet still i hope. i hope that the one person that has impressed me enough to command my attention longer than any other, will realize that my adoration isn't replaceable. hope that she will see that i am just as unique as she.

if she didn't love me, this would already be over. she wouldn't have talked to me at all, since i got out of the hospital. if there was no hope, she would have simply shut the utilities in her name off, and had all her stuff out by now. she lives a block and a half away, even with no car she could have moved already.

she's 18. she now has more options than ever before in her life. it's confusing and overwhelming. no, she hasn't made the best choices, she's still learning how to do that. she's a good person. the one person that has done more to help calm me down mentally than anyone else. she helped me grow up.

if she needs space, i'll give her space. if she needs help, i'll give her whatever help i can. mostly what she needs is a chance to make mistakes and learn from them. this past month has taught her a lot. its taught her that emotion without logic, causes problems. it's taught her that sex without love, causes problems. i'm hoping that it has taught her the value of my patience, and the depth of my affection.

it is getting better. the less i pester her, the more she wants to be around me. we have a date tonight. she asked me out. my new roommate is moving in, and my ex is ok with it. they were friends before, and i'm glad they still can be. tommorrow night, we will probably spend apart. can't have too much too fast now. i'll probably go to an old friends house, and get drunk with her while we console each other over our loneliness. what the ex is gonna do, i dont know, i'm not worried about it. she'll tell me or not, i wont ask. thats part of the space i'm giving her. personally, i bet she tells me, just to open the way for asking me how my night went.

as to counseling, no worries there. the hospital set me up with a shrink in my town to do a followup. i also will be seeing my M.D. early next week, to see if my hand needs to be re-broken, to set it right.(refrigerator, once).

i can't be mean, she's too sweet of a girl. before the snarky comments start about how sweet she is when she cheated on me, like i've said, she told me the day it happened. she didn't share affection with someone else to hurt me, she just went with the mood, and some screwed up emotions. that part doesn't even bother me. the part that bothered me, and drove me neurotic, is the way she acted over how guilty she feels. the pushing me away, the feeling like we can't get past this. we can get past this. with laughter, crying, talking, patience, and acceptance. again, we may never really get back together. we may not be able to stop the growing apart, but right now we seem to be on the right track.
 
Posted by DaveS (Member # 2734) on :
 
TL, what most of us see is what looks like a familiar pattern. You're immersed in the emotional waves, so you can't see it. Doesn't mean that your relationship is doomed, but you're young and you've each got some serious unresolved issues, as well as some together. It's very good advice to seek out someone who isn't involved who can give you feedback and guidance. That applies to her, too.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
What's vice is allowing others to do harm to you again and again, telling them in so many passive inactions that it's okay to treat another human being like filth. You damage yourself and the other.

That has nothing to do with faith, hope nor love.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Funean's Translation-bot:

i hope that [she] will realize that my adoration isn't replaceable.

If you dance hard enough, maybe she'll quit looking in other directions.

I hope that she will see that i am just as unique as she.

...and that she'll be magically cured of her narcissistic personality disorder and realize that, hey, you're an actual person even when she doesn't want something from you.

the less i pester her, the more she wants to be around me.

She's nice as long as YOUR needs aren't made an issue.

she didn't share affection with someone else to hurt me, she just went with the mood, and some screwed up emotions

She didn't think of you *at all* when she saw something shiny.

the way she acted over how guilty she feels. the pushing me away

The way the discomfort of being accountable for her actions was more important than manning up for the hurt she did you.

I'm sorry, tony. [Frown] I'm not trying to be mean, or unkind, or imply that you are in the wrong for wishing things were otherwise. But I've seen this, been there, too many times to be able to see it for anything else.

Her cheating on you, and more importantly, her subsequent reaction, has everything to do with *her* and nothing at all to do with you (before you start in on all your sins, remember this: out of all her possible responses to those "sins," she chose to step out of the relationship in response).

Someone once told me: when someone tells you the truth about themselves, LISTEN. And actions speak far louder than words.

[ February 23, 2007, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: Funean ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Aw, tl, I was under the impression that your were miserable, that you had little hope in things improving, believed you were a chump in the matter, had gone to a mental hospital to deal with the pain of it all, and felt virtually powerless to even stay away when it hurt you badly.

But if you want to stay with her, go for it. I just thought you wanted out.

I wish you and her the best of luck and a long happy relationship.

[ February 23, 2007, 10:57 PM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
i never wanted out of the relationship. life yes, not the relationship.

i'm pretty good at going after what i want. if i wanted out, it would be done. the not wanting it is what holds me back, and makes me mostly ignore sound advice.

with any luck, i'll be out drinking with an old friend tonight,probably crashing at her house. i'm not done with the ex, not by far. i am however going to go out and address some of my needs myself.

life is a non stop learning process, i'm further along in it than she is. for all of the things she's said or done, that have hurt me, she's still learning why those things are wrong.

funean: as accurate as the translation bot may seem, there are a lot of variables unaccounted for.

point 1: people never quit looking, they can however realize thier mistakes. taking me for granted is one of hers. she has shown me that she realizes this, and tried in her own way to make up for it.

point 2: narcissisism would be a blessing at this point. she has some pretty severe self esteem problems. she's easily as suicidal as i am. if she were vain, she wouldn't be quite so willing to abandon her fan club.

point 3: almost, as long as i'm not dropping my neurotic noise on her, she can stop feeling guilty long enough to get to an almost normal state around me, when i'm neurotic, we both cry. not fun for either of us. my issues are clear enough. she's the one with all of the confusion, and feelings like she's screwed everything up beyond repair. she says things to me like "i'm the one that destroyed our perfect life together"
and "i went from being a queen, to a servant" she feels the loss just as acutely as i do.

point 4: she did think about me, as evidenced by the fact that she told me about it immediately after. she didn't avoid it, she just came right home and told me. what happened was a result of about 6 years of messed up head juju. it's not my story to tell, but believe me when i say, i understand.

point 5: she understands the accountablity thing, i've told her many times that sorry means nothing if your not willing to try and make ammends for it. she is trying. the biggest part of her being able to make ammends is understanding her own impulses, and why she follows them. she is learning. she is growing. the wonderfull girl she has been, will turn into a wondefull woman in the future, with a short stop off for some confusion and selfishness along the way.

one way or the other it will work itself out. whether its to my satisfaction is the only real question.

as for my sins, she's told me from the start of this whole mess, that i've been perfect, and not done anything wrong. if she could list even one way, i've mistreated her, or neglected her, this would already be over. even after we've broken up, when were together, its like were still together.

she really is the best thing to ever happen to me. i really do owe her a lot more than simply abandoning her to her weaknesses and vices. we are like family. her family and i are so close, both her and her mother told me yesterday i could just drop off my laundry and they would do it for me. how wierd is that. they all love me, and i love all of them.

one way or the other, a resolution will be reached. i dont expect it soon. she has a lot of soul searching to do, before she can decide what she really wants. if that is our perfect life together, then our goals will be the same. if what she wants is more freedom, and the ability to go out whenever she wants with no accountability, then she has a lot of pain coming, because she gets more jealous over me than i do over her.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Okay. [Smile] The key is that she realizes that it's her head that's generated the mess, not you or what kind of a boyfriend you've been. If she's willing to work to unravel and remediate those issues, recognizes guilt as a self-indulgence (as opposed to genuine remorse) and you can both keep it together during that process, you've a fighting chance. Good luck!
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
thank you. she does realize. now she just needs time to sort it all out.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
If you decide to go forward with her, I wish you every bit of luck I can. And then some.

I'm not your dad, so I'll leave it at that.

Just consider one thing:

"i never wanted out of the relationship. life yes, not the relationship."

(eyebrow slowly rising....)
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"a) f you know it's over....maybe you should just yank the band-aid off all at once?

b) sigh, if only it were that simple. in the last month, i've thought things that have truly scared me. i've gone so far as to check myself into the mental hospital... i never wanted out of the relationship. life yes, not the relationship."

For some reason we thought you were so distraught by the relationship, which you never wanted out of, that you were suicidally despondent to the point that you walked into a mental hospital in such fashion that they talked electroshock treatment.

We were a bit concerned.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
thats complicated too. before she started following me around, back when i was fotwennytime, about 2 weeks before my first ornerycon. i was sytematically pushing everyone i was close to away. the reason for this forced distance, was that i wanted to hurt people as little as possible.

i had spent the last 17-20 years of my life being less and less impressed with the world. one of my better friends, who was also bi-polar, killed himself at the age of 31. i was convinced that i was headed down the same path. maybe i still am, who knows. i had decided that the best course of action, was to alienate everyone. i had already been obsessing about suicide for about 13 years. the end seemed a foregone conclusion. i had nothing in my life that was meaningfull, a job, and a bunch of family i can barely stand. i was severley disillusioned whith my friend base.

then comes this girl who just wont go away. she's way too young, way too forward, and way too unstable for me to even want to deal with. 3 months later, 3 months before my big secret plan, she starts seriously talking to me, instead of doing everything she can to tease me. her intelligence astounded me. she hates books, thats not what i mean. her vocabulary is on par with g.h.w.b., but her grasp of complex ideas amazed me. she sat, and spent about 5 minutes one day, explaining holistics to me. she didn't know the word holistic, she had never come across it before. but she explained it so well, there was no doubt, that she grasped the scope of the idea.

thats one example among many, at the time she was 15. suffice to say, she impressed me. this was completely refreshing. feelings developed, bastard that i am. we spent more time together, and decided to start dating.

suddenly, i'm left in a world where everything is about the future again. i'm in a relationship where we treat each other so well, everyone we know is jealous. the only downsides are people calling me a child molester, the threats, and the condemnation. no one at the time knew that the basis of our relationship was mutual kindness. no one knew that sex was not the focus of our time together. it took time for people to see how well we treated each other.

my secret plan was off. not only did i have definite plans for the future, i couldn't push anyone away when i was smiling all the time. not to mention, i realized i could never hurt her like that. what a bastard i would be.

you see, my thoughts have been morbid for nearly as long as i can remember. i had never cared for another human being, more than i did for myself. my misery was always more important, than anything else. i truly hated this world. for all of the miserable selfish people in it. i was one of them, and never realized.

it was only after i learned how deeply it was possible to love another human being, did i come to understand what humility was truly worth. only then did my arrogance, in my belief that i had ever truly suffered before, shine through.

when i say that she has taught me things. i mean that her entry into my life, was a life altering experience. her optimism, taught me optimism, something i had surely never known before. her creativity, taught me how to find beauty in the most mundane things. her inexperience taught me how closed my mind was.

the things i've learned from her, are the reason i dont reject the idea of god anymore. they're the reason i can appreciate petes views on marriage, and s.b.'s love of creepy crawlies. she taught me how to see the world, notice its differences from me, and be ok with them. she taught me to see things i didnt understand, as good, something to learn from, instead of something i had to attack, untill i either understood it or denounced it.

we've both grow quite a bit in our time together, we're both still growing. whether we're together or apart, we will still care about each other, and want only the best for each other.

when i get stressed, its not her making me miserable, i understand what she's going through well enough, to not resent her overly much for them. when i get stressed, it's a fear of reverting to the mindstate i was in before her. logically, i know thats impossible. irational though it may be, the fear is there. another fear i have, is going into the hospital, i'm more afraid of the hospital, then i am death. its a measure of what she has taught me, that i chose to check myself in, instead of the other option.

i know she's a human being, but she's the human being that taught me how wrong i truly was. any understanding and patience i have, is hers.

thank you canadian, your one thing to consider, has helped me to realize several things. i'm going to go assimilate them now.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I see. Hard for a human being that young to carry the weight of your hope for living.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
yeah she see's it like that too. thats one of the things we're addressing here.

while i thank her for the things she's taught me, she hasn't harmed me in any way. just because being with her lifts me up, doesn't mean that being without her forces me down. even without her, i'm still a far better person than i was. i cant unlearn these lessons.

i've made it a point to tell her this.
 
Posted by seekingprometheus (Member # 3043) on :
 
Perhaps this isn't relevant, but I recognize my personal experience of "The Heartbreaking Break-Up" as entirely narcissistic.

We both knew the relationship was doomed to fail, but I loved her (and more specifically, I loved how great it made me feel that someone so beautiful and special loved me) so much that I simply refused to act rationally.

I even knew it at the time. My justification was some vain-glorious aesthetic stoicism. I convinced myself that I wanted to feel the all the glorious beauty of the depths of profound heartbreak--that I would not turn away simply because of the pain.

Hee hee. I can't even say that I regret it. It ****ed up my personal life in many ways--not all of which were temporary, but it sure was a powerfully meaningful experience.

Still, if a relationship is doomed, you've got to eventually move on.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
eventually. even now. i'm not trying to endure the hurt for the beauty of it. i left that stage when i was ooohhh, 22 or so. i'm just being patient while she figures out what she wants.

it just happens that the hurt is here, while i'm waiting. the hurt would be here whether i were waiting or not.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
I hear you saying now that you're committed. That's fine with me. My contention is that the main thing is to decide whether or not you're committed. Once you satnd on your OWN ground, you can decide what boundaries to apply.

Likewise, once you've claimed YOUR ground, she can decide whether she will commit to understanding and respecting it.

Someone's got to make a stand for both to make a stand or for one to make a definitive retreat. Otherwise its tetherball with both your hearts tied to the tether.

Now you become a pole. Much better for both of you.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
As long as I'm trolling Ornery tonight, it's time to give this one a bump.

My picture needs aren't being met, you people!
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
right, sorry.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Well, my god, Tony, it's about time. [Wink]

Alla y'alls, time to pony up. [Smile]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Jesus, Tony. You look way different than I thought you would. I had an image of you as being stick figured or something.
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
hehe, maybe when i was 20. a solid decade of manual labor, and about 30 lbs overweight, that's one oddly shaped stick
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
lol.

BTW, I think some of the epic posters should repost pictures of themselves, most of the old links are dead now [Frown] .
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
slightly more accurate indicator of shape
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
scouser1 told me to post a pic of her. this is one of my personal favorites.

scouser1
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Why I do not shave
 
Posted by tonylovern (Member # 2580) on :
 
fun

even if no one else posts on this, you're the one that started the game back up. c'mon now. [Razz]
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Well, yas were all crap in keepin this alive ey?? [Razz] I'd like some of the new people who had not joined to partake in this thread first time round to post a picture please, ya always gotta see the person who ya arguin with after all [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Not dead, only buried, KE. [Smile]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Oh my goodness, this thread is like a swamp of old memories.

Criminy.

I just spend FAR TOO LONG rereading through it. Wondering whatever happened to some of those folks.
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Funean, this was your baby wasn't it?
You should spend time pulling together all the pictures and making one big ornery photo album [Razz]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Nah, it started before I joined. I just had fun with it. [Smile]

We could do that, though!--get some free space somewhere and put the map and pictures and perhaps even the Ornery U posts when they get going on it. We'd probably need to call it something other than "Ornery," though. And someone other than me with my "no time" to do it. [Razz]

Ops, I do that too, with some of the threads I revisit for whatever reason. Because so many of the regulars don't leave, I think I don't notice when some do. That's bad, I think.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Wow, that's service. [Smile] Thanks.

KE
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
I'm still wondering what happened to Daruma. He ussualy tells us if he's taking a vacation or sabatical.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Did you try email? (--->Queen of the Obvious suggestion) You're right; he's not usually gone this long with no explanation.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Me? Emailing Daruma?

Dude might think I like him or something. I mean, that would be like emailing Flydye!!!

The snark-fests would never be the same [Frown]

[ February 20, 2008, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: Jesse ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I see your point. Sullied by concern and whatnot. [Wink]

Okay, I'll do it. People expect me to be nice, after all (dammit!).
 
Posted by Daruma28 (Member # 1388) on :
 
You mean I was actually missed around here?

I'm flattered... [Wink]

I have just completed a major transition in my life. I've moved from the house I've been living in for the past seven years in the suburbs to the boondocks of this island...and I'm loving every minute of it.

I now live in a cabin at the top of the Wai'anae mountain range in a remote place called Palehua.

Here's a website about the radio/TV towers that are on the ridge top of my new residence. I live right next to one of these towers, and my backyard has a view of the Island, and on clear days, I can see Maui, Moloka'i and Lana'i.

I've been burning the candle at both ends to get the move done, and I've taken so much time off of work, I've had to spend just about every moment here at the office doing catch up work.

I've finally "caught up."

Rest assured, I've lurked more than a few times in the past month...but I'm REALLY uninspired by this latest election cycle, and I just haven't had anything substantive to add to the conversation around here.

Oh, and Jesse, emailing me would have absolutely no effect on the Snark fest...I just simply haven't been feeling too Ornery as of late. [Smile]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Had to take a call, returned to email, and lo.....kewl.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Damn that's a view.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Me and My Roy Rogers boots
 
Posted by D Pace (Member # 1493) on :
 
TonyLovern:

I apologize for being a voyeur (ecouteur?), but I felt a great affinity for the emotional turmoil you were describing last Valentine's day, trying to sort out very similar thoughts and feelings myself, and with the bumping of this thread I (and probably a lot of other people) just re-read your whole series of posts of emotionally raw thoughts from a year ago, and I wondered what ever became of all that.

I apologize if you ended up describing the continuation elsewhere here, and I apologize if this is overly intrusive, but I would be very interested if you would have any mind to writing an epilogue of one year later.
 
Posted by Colin JM0397 (Member # 916) on :
 
woof-woof
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
Facebook? Don't get that started, or soon everyone will be "friends" and have to watch what they say.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
And there'll be whispering under the stairs!
 
Posted by Colin JM0397 (Member # 916) on :
 
Blame Knightender.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jesse:
Why I do not shave

You're definitely a guy who should grow a little facial hair. You wouldn't last ten minutes in jail with that pretty face!

[Wink]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Pot, kettle, canadian. [Wink]

quote:
Blame Knightender.
That's just good policy. [Smile]
 
Posted by Kent (Member # 832) on :
 
Kenmeer, your photo made me smile. The eyes truly are the window to the soul (which is why Jesse was wearing sunglasses in the photo he shared - vampires having no souls and all).
 
Posted by Kent (Member # 832) on :
 
Here's a good photo.
 
Posted by canadian (Member # 1809) on :
 
She looks like a Bishop's daughter. Believe me, she can...

[Wink]
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Oh, we have one, it's just not something you'd want to see.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
WHy I should not shave.... My head
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"Kenmeer, your photo made me smile. The eyes truly are the window to the soul "

I guess that means I have a cock-eyed soul.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
"WHy I should not shave.... My head"

Because it shows off your pretty eyes?
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Kenmeer, your nose wasn't bleeding. What gives?
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
If you'll look in my left nostril (right side of picture) you'll see wee bit of dark crud. Dried blood.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Jesse, your shaved head is cute!

But you are right, your nice curly brown hair is nicer.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
(Why did I just go back a page and examine Oz's nose for dried blood? What is WRONG with me?)

[Wink]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
If it bleeds it leads.
 
Posted by Michelle (Member # 3237) on :
 
Ah, a break from the news of the day.

This was a fun read. great pics, everyone. [Wink]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Has anyone tried Yearbook Yourself? It's great fun!
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
The Face of Evil.
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
How I look now. I shaved off the goatee that was scaring my daughter.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Wow. You belong on some hi sci-fi space-faring rogues drama...
 
Posted by Michelle (Member # 3237) on :
 
All the men on this forum have such pretty eyes.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Also, the women are strong and the kids are all above average.
 
Posted by Adam Masterman (Member # 1142) on :
 
hmmmm. Don't think I've ever posted on this thread. Here is a silly page from my nordic ski blog that has some action shots, plus a head shot on the side. Please be kind. [Smile]

Adam
 
Posted by jimskater (Member # 181) on :
 
I'm on the left (natch)

Engagement Photo
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Adam, how lucky you are to have a Masters-of-the-Universe kind of name. Perfect for coaching!
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
OK, since this thread has been resurrected, I'll repost some of my photos.

More to the point, as some may remember my father's trip to Belgium last year to visit the site of his 63 year old plane crash, I've since found more photos of the trip from our Belgian friends.

Just follow this link: www.EdwardGDanaII.info

Click on the link at the bottom labeled "Albums." Then scroll to the bottom for the section labeled "Hard Seventeen." There you will find photos from our good friend Paul Van Caesbroek, the Broken Wings Museum (BAHAAT), and the Belgian Military.

As always, enjoy! [Smile]

Ed.
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Here is one of the few photos that I have at work:

At a meeting, me on the right.

I look really strange in that pic, but I can't find a better one.

[ September 30, 2008, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: munga ]
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
Lookin' good, munga.

jim, you cradle robber you.

Adam: dreamy. [Wink]
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
I need a new pic, I've aged twenty years in the last five. [Frown]

Nice pic munga. I had no idea you were a black woman. [Wink]

KE
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Jim, your significant other looks familiar? Kinda like Lance Armstrong.

Adam, what is all that white stuff? Can I use your name for a character in a book? Munga is right it is a great name.

Scifi, you do have beautiful eyes. [Smile]

KE
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Wrong lady, KE. I'm the albino with the dark hair and the distorted features. I'm trying to find a better pic here.
 
Posted by jimskater (Member # 181) on :
 
scifi, I'm no cradle robber [Embarrassed] He's 3 years older than me!!!!

KE--Steve's from Pennsylvania originally. Not done anything famous, though. Except he was the 2nd person ever to successfully captive breed an endangered chameleon species about 10 years ago.
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
jim, I guess the hair color makes him look a bit younger than you. Not that it's a big apparent difference - I was just teasing. You're a handsome couple.

KE: Thanks. You've got a strong chin. *chucks KE's chin*
 
Posted by jimskater (Member # 181) on :
 
Knew you were teasing me, scifi... technically, he's the cradle robber. [Wink]
 
Posted by Adam Masterman (Member # 1142) on :
 
@scifibum:

awww, shucks. [Embarrassed]

@KE:

Only if can use your likeness as a villian in my comic book.

Adam
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
That's an accomplishment, Jim.

What species?

Veiled are supposed to be "easy" and they're a challenging pet even for a reptile.

We gotta have a west coast ornery-con one of these days.

[ October 01, 2008, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: Jesse ]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Midwest.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Oh, yay.

You and Fly. How fun. [Razz]
 
Posted by jimskater (Member # 181) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jesse:
That's an accomplishment, Jim.

What species?

Veiled are supposed to be "easy" and they're a challenging pet even for a reptile.

We gotta have a west coast ornery-con one of these days.

Fullerborni chameleon. It was 10 or 12 years ago. They're on the smaller end of the size scale. (I think it's since turned out that they're relatively easy to breed, if you get the enclosure environment down correctly. Still, he was the 2nd person in the States to breed them...)

[ October 02, 2008, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: jimskater ]
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Still, hard to keep the little buggers healthy even whith lots of basic information available.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Why do munga's pictures not work on my computer? Is it like that thing how my skin starts burning whenever I cross the threshold into a church or MAC??
 
Posted by hobsen (Member # 2923) on :
 
Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Browser Document is what munga's link reports for me. My computer generally goes on to add "This program has known compatibility issues." In practice, all Adobe files kill my computer; and I have to restart.

Since she says it is a terrible picture, maybe you can wait for a better one....
 
Posted by Colin JM0397 (Member # 916) on :
 
Vacation photos - went crazy with the new camera hence the 10 minute slide show: Sedona 2008
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Way to bat outta yer league, Colin! [Wink]
 
Posted by Colin JM0397 (Member # 916) on :
 
As Diamond Dave says "it's better with 2 for conversation, that way if there ends up being any, I don't have to get involved!"
 
Posted by Colin JM0397 (Member # 916) on :
 
Correction - that was Rodney Dangerfield in Diamond Dave's video for Yankee Rose.
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
There's no such thing as "too long" when talking about Sedona, Colin. [Smile] Very nice pics.

Some of us Zonies, wish they had declared the place a national park a long time ago. Hell, I'm for declaring it one now and throwing everyone out! [Big Grin]

Ed.
 
Posted by Daruma28 (Member # 1388) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by EDanaII:

Some of us Zonies, wish they had declared the place a national park a long time ago. Hell, I'm for declaring it one now and throwing everyone out! [Big Grin]

Ed.

Where would we get all of our healing crystals than? [LOL]
 
Posted by EDanaII (Member # 1062) on :
 
From me! Because I'll then have exclusive control! Muahahahaha! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Pulled off my wall. An old mom-kids pic.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
Yer little people are adorable!
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
thanks. I agree.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Okay, new people. Time to pony up. I need to see who I'm annoyed with. [Wink]

(egad, munga, you look EXACTLY as I pictured you! Which is to say, like my pal Lisa from the 8th grade. You're not a convert from Catholicism from WV, are you? Gorgeous kids, too!)
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
I imagined munga would be stouter. Not really sure why...
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
fun ------ thank you, they are my lovies.

tommy ----- *smack*


I will say, I don't wear glasses anymore. John and I both had them lasic'd and it is a huge, wonderful change. If anyone has been wondering whether or not to do it... my answer is, absolutely. It was even worth the vomiting I had for 24 hours after, in reaction to the topical anesthetic.

[ November 20, 2008, 01:52 AM: Message edited by: munga ]
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
Though a not-often-publicized but relatively frequently-occuring side effect of the lasik is chronic, incurable dry-eye.
Plus it does not always work.
Plus there's a decent probability that an initially sucessful surgery will revert after a number of years.

Anyway that's what my opthalmologist friend said.

Not that it's not fabulous and a great fit for lots of people. Just...you know...it's not perfect.
 
Posted by Stevarooni (Member # 6053) on :
 
I'll get eye surgery once people have had it for 20+ years with no difficulties. OK, not likely in my lifetime, but I'm kind of sensitive about the ol' peepers; I don't want to have to depend on the government for support, and all of my established skills require vision.
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Well, my mom is an optician, and everyone gets "far sighted" around age forty, which cannot be prevented, as it isn't lens related, but rather related to the shape of the eye changing with age.

But, I really like my Lasic. I'll get glasses for reading just like every other Old Guy when I'm old, if I have to, but I tell you, I was blind as a bat.

I was aware of the possibilities, just sayin' it worked great for us.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
munga, ever heard of the Pizza Shack in Minneapolis?
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
I had LASIK last March and had about 4 months of dry eyes, it's better now.

My understanding is that chronic dry eye is mostly an issue for certain ethnic groups; Chinese have this problem a lot more than Europeans.

Yeah, the farsightedness comes from losing the ability to focus the internal lens, hits people about 40-45 (it'll be fabulous when somebody fixes this. It seems to be due to the lens hardening...someone will figure out how to soften it up again or come up with a decent prosthetic). (Munga I think you meant it isn't cornea related, which part is what LASIK modifies.)

It is pretty darn expensive, though. I probably should have waited until I had the money sitting around not doing anything else. But since I got it, now my wife wants it, and...it seems like a bad idea to push back on it. [Wink] Thank goodness for medical flex spending accounts.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
I wear lenses. They're awesome.
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
Wow, munga, I had no idea you were so young! I thought you were at least in your thirties or something. (Hides from the inevitable smack…)
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Jordan, you know I'm in my 30s!!!

Tommy- no, I'm just a Papa John's girl. I really like the green pepperchinos (however that is spelled) that come with those pizzas.

scifi- yep yer right, I was just too lazy to check it.
 
Posted by msquared (Member # 113) on :
 
I had my eyes done 4 or 5 years ago. Best money my parents ever spent on me.

I love it. Had to have it done a second time to get the corretion to 20/20. The doctor had told me this was likely with the amount of correction I needed. It was all covered.

I would do it again in a heart beat.

msquared
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
I feel sort of obligated to say that LASIK is worth a sober consideration of the risks, especially when they present you with the agreement that you will not sue for damages if something bad happens. Read at least a couple of stories of people who had complications, and think about them, and decide how much not wearing glasses or contacts is worth to you...for me it solved some headaches and a lot of minor daily inconveniences, and I decided the risk was worth it.
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
Ah, that would explain why I thought that. [Embarrassed]

Good gravy, I'm bad at guessing people's ages from pictures.

[ November 20, 2008, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Jordan ]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Why, Jordan. Fancy seeing you here, since we've never seen you here.

^
|
|

(is a hint) [Wink]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
You're engaged to a man you've never even seen a picture of?
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
I could swear I've seen a picture.

But that has nothing to do with me NOT being engaged to Jordan. He'd be my first choice if I switched teams. *smooch*

Found it!

(Funean, meet your betrothed)

[ November 20, 2008, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: scifibum ]
 
Posted by DonaldD (Member # 1052) on :
 
Hands off! I already called dibs!
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
*dutifully goes to back of line*
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Nice work, scifi!

And back off, both of y'all! Mine!!
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
"Tommy- no, I'm just a Papa John's girl. I really like the green pepperchinos (however that is spelled) that come with those pizzas. "

Papa J's is alright on occasion. Davannis is I would argue the best pizza you can get in the Midwest (besides a few places which have pretty convincing East Coast style pizza). My friends and I used to get Dominoes a lot, until the friend whose house we played video games at got a dog. When the pizza delivery woman came up the dog ran up and bit her leg. After the trial, Dominoes refused to deliver to his house anymore [Smile]

But I never ate at the Pizza Shack. It was the place where two cops got gunned down one evening while eating (plus every year or so somebody gets shot on that corner anyways.) Remember it now?
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Naw, first, John and I lived mostly on the east side- Maplewood, E St Paul, Shoreview, and we were married in 91 and then lived in Utah, the shooting was in 92, and we moved to the twin cities in 93, so we missed all the buzz.

But I see online that they made an anchovy pizza. Anyone who makes stuff like that is a-ok in my book. I also like white-sauce for pizza sauce, too, when I can find it.
 
Posted by Jordan (Member # 2159) on :
 
Dudes, have you no respect for trans-Atlantic inter-gay duogamy?! Funean and I are happily non-civil-quartetized!
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jordan:
Dudes, have you no respect for trans-Atlantic inter-gay duogamy?! Funean and I are happily non-civil-quartetized!

[LOL]
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
Also: [LOL]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
I think we are due presents, quite frankly.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Stacy changed my pic on Facebook. Here is a new one of little John as James Bond back in the day shooting me in the head.

Facebook Pic: Top Left

KE
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
how do we see you? it asks me to log-in
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Funean:
I think we are due presents, quite frankly.

Shoot, Fun. Is it too late?
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
It's NEVER too late for presents! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Excellent, excellent point. And are you registered somewhere? [Wink]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Oooh, gosh. Jordan, dear, preferences?

(He probably has better taste than I do [Wink] )
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Wow, sorry I don't really know how that thing works. If it asks you for my password for Facebook just type in "jacob2" and that will open my homepage.

I'll change it later, but I trust you guys. If anyone knows how to take that pic of little John shooting me and putting it somewhere it can be seen without having to log in, please do it for me.

KE
 
Posted by Pyrtolin (Member # 2638) on :
 
Won't do any good- that link doesn't actually have anything specific to you in it- it's just the facebook home page.

This is more what you meant to do:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Knight-Ender/567791892?

These are pretty good looks at me:
http://www.myspace.com/pyrtolin
http://www.post-gazette.com/journal/photos_display.asp?ID=23386
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Actually thisi is the one that Stacy Changed it to.
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
Hey, Pyrtolin, I grew up not far from you in Morgantown, WV. I think I've been to that church! Father's Day services in 1996 as I recall.
 
Posted by Pyrtolin (Member # 2638) on :
 
I'm actually a bit of a transplant- came here for college and just dug in deep.

I'm coming up on 3 years in the choir at Sixth; it's done a lot to restore a positive attitude toward organized religion for me.
 
Posted by OpsanusTau (Member # 2350) on :
 
It really is a nice thing that the gentlemen of Ornery are so easy on the eyes.

Don't think the ladies aren't appreciative.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Aye, OP. The other places I hang out are marked by fascinating minds in mostly bland to frankly ugly appearances. And I'm extremely tolerant in that regard, although come to think of it, I'm much harsher on judging men than women, because women are so... so much nicer to look at then men, I think.

But Pyrtolin has that sweet hair/beard combo. And... he's a pirate. Well, swordly, at least.
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KnightEnder:
Actually thisi is the one that Stacy Changed it to.

what email do we enter, and your password of Jacob2 in order to see it? It is asking for your email.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KnightEnder:
Actually thisi is the one that Stacy Changed it to.

Odd. That link just took it to MY homepage.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
johnlmyers4th@aol.com Password: jacob2

I'm starting to dislike Facebook.

KE
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
johnlmyers4th@aol.com Password: jacob2

I'm starting to dislike Facebook.

KE
 
Posted by Pyrtolin (Member # 2638) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cperry:
quote:
Originally posted by KnightEnder:
Actually thisi is the one that Stacy Changed it to.

Odd. That link just took it to MY homepage.
Nothing odd about it- that link is the universal link to the homepage of whoever is logged in. This is the link to KE's profile. He has security set so you have to be his friend on FB before you can get any deeper.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Knight-Ender/567791892?
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
That first pic on the right is the old pic, if you hit Profile it will take you to the new one.

And if you have to be 'my friend' just sent an invite cause I say yes to everybody that asks. [Smile] The more the merrier. Although Stacy is starting to delete some of my better looking friends. She is just not a friendly person. [Frown]

KE

[ December 06, 2008, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
Here's another copy of the KE pic for those that aren't on Facebook:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/scifibum/ke.jpg

(figured your invitation to copy it would still stand, KE - lemme know if different)
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
That was Jacob as a baby. Is he an Angel or what? [Smile] (He's the one I spoiled. How could I not?)

Thanks Sci.

KE
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Little John & Me. The one Stacy made my Profile Pic on Face Book

Thanks Scifi for hooking me up with that "photobucket" site. Nice.

Tan from Softball Little John asleep in my Lap

New Years at the Petroleum Club on top of the Exxon Building downtown Houston. What it's like to be rich. [Smile]

My boys asleep on my shoulders I have a million of these

KE

[ December 06, 2008, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: KnightEnder ]
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
oh, right. You said shooting. I didn't see that one on facebook.

But yeah, cute kids, both of them.
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Nice to see no one has forgotten about this thread [Smile]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
This , KE, is the image of you I will keep always.

I can almost smell the reindeer turds.(Even if it does appear to be Halloween.)

[ December 12, 2008, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: kenmeer livermaile ]
 
Posted by scouser1 (Member # 3455) on :
 
Cute pic hehe [Smile]
 
Posted by munga (Member # 6006) on :
 
Nice to meet you, KE.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Nice to meet you too, Munga. [Smile]

KE
 
Posted by Redskullvw (Member # 188) on :
 
Pictures of my house
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr241/redskullvw/IMG_1546.jpg"

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr241/redskullvw/IMG_2998.jpg

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr241/redskullvw/IMG_1843.jpg

[ December 20, 2008, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Redskullvw ]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
******* that's nice, red.

The houses to either side of my dad's house are the exact same design with different color, and each has about 4 feet between them.


... When are funean and OT putting up the OA centerfolds??

[ December 20, 2008, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: TommySama ]
 
Posted by jimskater (Member # 181) on :
 
Very nice, red. Looks like you're just days or weeks from moving back in. I'm happy you'll be back under your own roof again soon, making new memories.
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
I like your house, Red. I'm glad to know you'll be back to a semblance of normality before long.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
"How I look now. I shaved off the goatee that was scaring my daughter. "

I definitely read something else into there...


Beard, glory

Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard
 
Posted by scifibum (Member # 945) on :
 
Wow, you're a lot more committed to your beard than I would have thought. You could store woodland creatures in there.

(btw...scarring? If not, I don't get the joke.)

[ February 18, 2010, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: scifibum ]
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
TOmmySam IS a woodland creature.
 
Posted by Pete at Home (Member # 429) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TommySama:
"How I look now. I shaved off the goatee that was scaring my daughter. "

I definitely read something else into there...


Beard, glory

Psalms 133:2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard

Yowsers. We'll have to call you TommySama Bin Omar.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Alaikum-salaam
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
TommySam the Holy Camel.
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
"Yowsers. We'll have to call you TommySama Bin Omar. "

I have to ask hobsen if I can change my tag to ChristSama.
 
Posted by LetterRip (Member # 310) on :
 
Hey I forgot about this thread,

I suppose I can link to a few of me as well...

http://s993.photobucket.com/albums/af53/LetterRip1/

both from my trip to europe,

LetterRip
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
"I grew up not far from you in Morgantown, WV."

Almost heaven, eh? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Funean (Member # 2345) on :
 
'Zackly! [Smile]
 
Posted by TommySama (Member # 2780) on :
 
Appropriate
 


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