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Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
I'm watching the West Wing religiously, since it's very interesting, has good actors, and has a sympathetic token Black Guy on it. Also, it's seems to have 20 million viewers in the usa? Also, it's gonna have a distant cousin of mine as a main character, Jimmy Smits.

It's a show about a democratic president who is an egg-head (a college professor, no less), who defeated a beer-guzzling Joe SixPack type of republican candidate in an election and said some very pointy things about the Kyoto treaty, I think it was something along the lines of "How can we demand from India and China have to meet our standards of pollution when they all still ride bicycles and we drive Humvees?"

In other words, the ideal Democratic candidate ...
But what I was wondering: Don't Republicans laugh themselves in stitches about this show, since it is so obviously a liberal fantasy, very other than the Raw Republican Reality of today?
Isn't it very comforting to them that since "Hollywood" is embracing a Democratic president, then it must further from reality than ever?
 
Posted by TomDavidson (Member # 99) on :
 
You're about five years too late to this show.
 
Posted by gr8fulreader (Member # 2600) on :
 
ah, nostalgia...
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
But to answer your question, yes, exactly. It's also great escapist fun for liberals.

I actually maintain that this show serves functions not very dissimilar than those served by any action-packed show, despite the fact that it is considered a high-browed drama.

Instead of pumping your fist when the iron-jawed, steel-gazed hero pushes aside all obstacles and blows the bad guys up or punches them in the face, your average pointy-headed liberal pumps his or her fist when the iron-jawed, steel-gazed hero totally reverses the course of an election with a trouncing of the republican hypocrite a$$hole in a debate (which has rules that are totally unrealistic, but are tailored to serve said trouncing. In real life, the debate rules forbid the candidates from addressing one another and have for some time now [I'm not sure Reagan wasn't technically in breach of the rrules with the famous "there you go again, Mr. President" line]. In TWW, they are SUPPOSED to end each answer with a question for the opponent. This enables Bartlett [in season 4] to end a reply about how hypocritical it is of his oponnent, a governor, to whine about Federal spending when his state recieved billions more than it paid in Fed. taxes with "I'm supposed to ask a question, so I guess it would be: Can We Have It Back?")

This is a very similar effect to that of the speech in "The American President", with Michael Douglas. The West Wing is more politically subtle, generally, but it too could easily have a line where the Prez goes "I'm proud to be a member of an organization devoted to protecting the Bill of Rights. The Real Question is: Why Aren't You?".

Another fist pumping moment I remember, from the first or second season, is Bartlett using scripture to chastise a pompous delegation from the Christian Coalition, really kicking their ass all over the floor and ending with "Now get out of MY White House".

[ September 20, 2005, 10:28 PM: Message edited by: RickyB ]
 
Posted by Lewkowski (Member # 2028) on :
 
West Wing is actually a pretty decent show if you can ignore the obvious bias of it.

In particular -

"Another fist pumping moment I remember, from the first or second season, is Bartlett using scripture to chastise a pompous delegation from the Christian Coalition, really kicking their ass all over the floor and ending with "Now get out of MY White House"."

Wow the Christian coaltion people painted there were absolutly retarded. One of them didn't even know the 10 commandments, its so stupid.
 
Posted by kenmeer livermaile (Member # 2243) on :
 
Politics being the archetypal precursor to reality tv shows, West Wing is like the ultimate makeover show...
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Yeah, now that you mention it, there was something not credible about that scene, but I'm not sure that they didn't know the 10 commandments. But yes, it's set up so that it's pretty clear whom you should be rooting for. As I said, not unlike an action show.
 
Posted by OhPuhLeez (Member # 1597) on :
 
Actually, that's why I'm excited about this season.

They are running the "election" this year between Dem Jimmy Smits and Rep Alan Alda, both likeable with very different ideas in some areas and similar in others. The producers are going to be gauging audience popularity among other things to make a decision about continuing the show with a new "President."

I'd vote for either of them [Wink] .
 
Posted by JoshuaD (Member # 1420) on :
 
Smits can't lose. Josh gives him instant credibility.

[ September 21, 2005, 02:40 AM: Message edited by: JoshuaD ]
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Now I wonder why you'd say that... [Razz]
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Poor Alan Alda. Once he guest-starred as a doctor who's suffering from early stage Alzheimer's on ER, and since then I have it in my head that he actually has it in r/l...

Go Hawkeye!
 
Posted by velcro (Member # 1216) on :
 
I can't think of specifics, but there are times when Bartlet actually does the right thing, regardless of politics. Not necessarily the liberal thing, but the obviously right thing. It makes me wish real presidents acted like that.

quote:
Isn't it very comforting to them that since "Hollywood" is embracing a Democratic president, then it must further from reality than ever?
So if "Hollywood" embraces something, it is by definition far from reality? Maybe in some vague sense, but not in any meaningful, specific way. If someone is comforted by that, they don't require a lot of analytical thinking to back up their reasons for being comfortable.
 
Posted by Paladine (Member # 1932) on :
 
I'm a huge West Wing fan. The show is obviously a bit biased, and I was disappointed in the Republican they put up against Bartlet. That said, the characters are excellent and the writers do engage some issues in a substantive (albeit partisan) fashon.

Conservative points creep their way in there every now and again too.
 
Posted by TS Elliot (Member # 736) on :
 
point one:
What's ricky doing on a thread of mine? He called me the most worthless poster here ever. I'm so confused.

2:
Aaargh! I hate spoilers! I'm so stupid for starting a thread like this which will leave me wide open for spoilers ...
<goes away, thumping head against walls>

[Wink]

To get back on topic:
So we all agree that a democratic president is, despite the N.O. flooding fukc up, a distant fantasy?
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
When you start a non-worthless post, I have nop problem participating. I have no problem with you personally - I don't care about you one way or the other. If you stopped behaving like a putz I'd have nothing against your posts either, and when you don't post like a putz, I don't carry a grudge - I address the post at hand.

As for your question - not at all a distant fantasy. Kerry, a problematic candidate with many liabilities who made HUGE mistakes, got more votes than any Dem candidate in history. Gore actually won the election, and he wasn't the perfect candidate either.
 


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