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Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
... compared to everyone else, that is.

Bush approval rating: 34%

Congressional Republicans approval rating: 27%

Congressional Democrats approval rating: 25%


If incumbency weren't so strong an electoral advantage, I'd think we were on the verge of a "kick the bums out" election.
 
Posted by JoshuaD (Member # 1420) on :
 
This is terrible.
 
Posted by WarrsawPact (Member # 1275) on :
 
For posterity, here are the other administration figures' job approval ratings:

Dick Cheney: 30%
Condoleezza Rice: 52% (wow)
Donald Rumsfeld: 34%

And specific people in Congress:

House Speaker Dennis Hastert: 22%
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist: 23%
 
Posted by JoshuaD (Member # 1420) on :
 
This is good news for people who don't want hiliary elected. She's going to be a polaizer, and the country needs a uniter right now.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
WP, look at those polls closely. People give "congress" low marks, but approve of their own congresspeople and senators by more than 60%. It's always "those other guys" who are the problem.

Bush, on the other hand, is unpopular personally, by name.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Just saw you posted personal congress people. Frist is embroiled in a Martha moment, and Hastert has always had the charisma of a fetid miasma [Smile] Frist has the aura of stale cheese too, come to think of it. Again: check out the "my own congreesman and senator" numbers.
 
Posted by FIJC (Member # 1092) on :
 
I really can't believe how nasty the Democrats have gotten the past few weeks...they should know by now that bringing up pre-war Iraq intelligence suffers from the law of diminishing returns.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
I can't believe what knee-jerk crybabies republicans have become the past few weeks. Whine, baby, whine. your lying, arrogant, incompetent idols are going down. You and they will need another 9/11 to confuse your way out of it this time. I just hope nothing of the sort is in the works.

But take heart - it's like a late comeback that doesn't quite manage to tie the score before the final whistle. This should have been hapenning 12 months ago. Now all it will do is make Dumbo a lame duck way early, which doesn't really solve the problem (though it does make it harder for the grown ups to screw anything else up in the time they have left in charge...)
 
Posted by IrishTD (Member # 2216) on :
 
quote:
If incumbency weren't so strong an electoral advantage, I'd think we were on the verge of a "kick the bums out" election.
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KICK 'EM ALL OUT!!!! </from the rooftops>

(Too bad we won't get so lucky [Frown] )
 
Posted by Joe Schmoe (Member # 2640) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IrishTD:
quote:
If incumbency weren't so strong an electoral advantage, I'd think we were on the verge of a "kick the bums out" election.
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KICK 'EM ALL OUT!!!! </from the rooftops>

(Too bad we won't get so lucky [Frown] )

As long as by "ALL" you include the democrats, I'm all for it. I don't approve of what bush has done at all, but I also believe from kerry's support for the war, etc that he wouldn't have done any better. In short, both parties are ruinous. I wish people would give Nader a shot.
 
Posted by Vance (Member # 2612) on :
 
Yeah, they all should go. Republicans for what they've done to the country at every level, and Democrats for letting them.

As for whether or not we need a polarizer or a uniter, I think what we need, and have not seen for a long time, is a LEADER. The outrage over the last decade (from Clinton to Bush) may just produce one.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
I wish people would give Nader a shot.
*choke*
 
Posted by A. Alzabo (Member # 1197) on :
 
quote:
As for whether or not we need a polarizer or a uniter, I think what we need, and have not seen for a long time, is a LEADER. The outrage over the last decade (from Clinton to Bush) may just produce one.
I hope so. The focus seems to have become screwing over and cheating the other "team" -- not even to get your policy enacted, but just to piss them off.
 
Posted by KnightEnder (Member # 992) on :
 
Jav,

You ever listen to Nader? He makes a lot of sense.

KE
 
Posted by Aerto (Member # 2625) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KnightEnder:
Jav,

You ever listen to Nader? He makes a lot of sense.

KE

Maybe if you are on acid while listening to him. Not that I think you are on acid, KE. Though maybe. . .
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by KnightEnder:
Jav,

You ever listen to Nader? He makes a lot of sense.

KE

Yes, I know Nader's politics. He has a positively scary level of hatred for business, of any level, and a love of regulation that makes me sick to the core.
 
Posted by IrishTD (Member # 2216) on :
 
Yes, I do mean all. Every last one of 'em.
 
Posted by The Drake (Member # 2128) on :
 
Nader would be likely to start Nationalizing industries. I don't think I want him around.

I do admire that he actually says what he thinks, and as an advocate he has done some positive things.
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Drake:
Nader would be likely to start Nationalizing industries. I don't think I want him around.

I do admire that he actually says what he thinks, and as an advocate he has done some positive things.

Not sure I agree with the second statement - as leader of the Green party, he stifled/altered many of his normal statements in order to fit them under the Green umbrella. 'Course, not well enough, which is why he got dumped by the party.
 
Posted by Joe Schmoe (Member # 2640) on :
 
wow, that one little nader comment sure blew up didn't it. [Big Grin]

I certainly think hes got some ideas that are pretty scary but he's also got some really good ideas too. He's certainly not my ideal candidate, just seems better than the choices we've had lately. He does need to moderate some of his ideas though...
 
Posted by javelin (Member # 1284) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Joe Schmoe:
wow, that one little nader comment sure blew up didn't it. [Big Grin]

I certainly think hes got some ideas that are pretty scary but he's also got some really good ideas too. He's certainly not my ideal candidate, just seems better than the choices we've had lately. He does need to moderate some of his ideas though...

Didn't mean to get all jumpy, but Nader really gives me the creeps.
 
Posted by drewmie (Member # 1179) on :
 
These number are meaningless. People ALWAYS hate Congress and love their Congressman. The comparison of the President's popularity to Congress's popularity is one of the most common examples of the bad use of statistics. It's an "apples and oranges" problem. "Congress" is not something that represents the entire country as a single entity. The President does. A proper comparison would be a comparison of the President's numbers with an aggregate of what the American people think of THEIR congressional representatives. I've never seen it, because it would be a much more involved and expensive proposition. But at least it would mean something. And I have a feeling that Bush would look REALLY bad in such a study.

P.S.- I'm all for kicking the bums out, including my corrupt Congressional reps from Utah. McCain/Powell in '08!!!

[ November 18, 2005, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: drewmie ]
 
Posted by Ivan (Member # 1467) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by drewmie:
P.S.- I'm all for kicking the bums out, including my corrupt Congressional reps from Utah. McCain/Powell in '08!!!

Yeah, but who do the Republicans run? [Confused]
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Yay, Drewmie! McCain/Powell in '08! GO GO GO!
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Not sure why people who tend towards moderateness want McCain as president?
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
Ev, do you see McCain as an extremist?
 
Posted by Everard (Member # 104) on :
 
Not extremeist, but more conservative in most of his views then Bush.
 
Posted by David Ricardo (Member # 1678) on :
 
McCain and Powell have both become political tools now.

I would much prefer seeing Chuck Hagel be President in 2008. He's a real principled conservative, and that's more than can be said for anyone else in U.S. government nowadays.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
Powell? The man who knowingly went along with countless bad policies?
 
Posted by Pelegius (Member # 2399) on :
 
I suppose that those approving Ms Rice did not hear her say, and I quote from memory "I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of secret CIA prisons.” Because that creeped me out a little bit.
 
Posted by cperry (Member # 1938) on :
 
I have to admit I've lost a bit of my enthusiasm for the pair (McCain and Powell) as of late. I don't know much about Hagel.

Is Bush a moderate? Yeah, I know the conservatives aren't really fond of him, but I really don't know if he knows where he stands until someone tells him. I used to feel McCain absolutely knew where he stood.
 
Posted by Pete at Home (Member # 429) on :
 
I'll vote Hillary over McCain.
 
Posted by flydye45 (Member # 2004) on :
 
Bush is absolutely a moderate. Trust me. [Smile]

You need to divorce his "mistakes" versus his domestic policies. He's no conservative.

McCain? You're kidding right? He gets his rocks off by being a maverick. How does he do that when he's in the hot seat? Now instead of sniping, he has to produce. Kind of the same problem the Democrats find themselves... [Razz]
 
Posted by LoverOfJoy (Member # 157) on :
 
I remember when Chris Matthews seemed to have a love affair with both Senator McCain and Governor Ventura. Seeing those two going at it in a debate would be entertaining.
 
Posted by Jesse (Member # 1860) on :
 
The fact that Bush isn't a conservative doesn't, by default, make him a moderate.
 
Posted by RickyB (Member # 1464) on :
 
All that ever needs to be said about ConDulcese is this quote: "I would have done something about it if someone had directed me to do so".
 


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