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DonaldD

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« Reply #700 on: May 22, 2020, 01:16:00 PM »
It all comes back to that illegally leaked tape of his talk with Billy Bush,
What law was broken, specifically?  You use this word, "illegal" so often, and I really doubt you understand what it means.

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« Reply #701 on: May 22, 2020, 01:20:36 PM »
It’s incredible to see the destruction of Reade vs the canonization of Ford. Believe all Women was bull*censored*, now we’ve seen that proven.

I'm going to split on this one.

Kavanaugh DID have defenders, and a lot of them, but most of them knew him after his college and high school years.

Meanwhile his accuser fell into his "college years" time frame, which makes it hard for people to categorically say things did or did not happen, as many people's experiences during College can be rather chaotic and rarely involved regularly interacting with the same people. Basically it was the perfect time frame for an accusation to be placed. Most "people of standing" only knew him after those events were alleged to have taken place.

In Biden's case, the accusation's timing is Washington D.C. in the 1990's after he'd been working there for decades already. And further, he wasn't there as a staffer, he'd been there as a member of Congress. He was very much known, and had a large number of verifiable long-term contacts to reference against. As such, the alleged behavior is easier to deconstruct.

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« Reply #702 on: May 22, 2020, 01:26:10 PM »
Straight talk and laying it right out there, in case you had any doubt: he is going to BEAT Joe Biden.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1263816200334737408

Scott, I think the words he's saying are he's going to BE Joe Biden.

I hear "beat Joe Biden" myself.

even "be Joe Biden" is odd. Who is he then? A Bodysnatcher? A reptilian in a Joe Biden skin suit? inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

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« Reply #703 on: May 22, 2020, 01:32:49 PM »
Doesn't mean anything.  Joe Biden hasn't had as many wives, but his wife still likes him.  Flail away, wmLambert.

Not flailing, at all, but always trying to reply on point, which you never seem to be able to accomplish. Why is every post you make ended with an insult?

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« Reply #704 on: May 22, 2020, 01:34:35 PM »
Doesn't mean anything.  Joe Biden hasn't had as many wives, but his wife still likes him.  Flail away, wmLambert.

Not flailing, at all, but always trying to reply on point, which you never seem to be able to accomplish. Why is every post you make ended with an insult?

I count 4 untruths in that post, for an average of 1:7.5 words.  That's almost Trumpian.

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« Reply #705 on: May 22, 2020, 01:50:25 PM »
Straight talk and laying it right out there, in case you had any doubt: he is going to BEAT Joe Biden.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1263816200334737408

Scott, I think the words he's saying are he's going to BE Joe Biden.

I hear "beat Joe Biden" myself.

even "be Joe Biden" is odd. Who is he then? A Bodysnatcher? A reptilian in a Joe Biden skin suit? inquiring minds want to know.  ;D
I really don't get this - in today's "everything ever uttered is captured on audio" world, why focus on this?  I mean, it is pretty transparent what he is saying, and for from the most awkward, or even the most ambiguous thing he's ever said. 

Just so we all know what we are talking about, here is a transcript of that 7-second sentence:
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I’m prepared to say that I have a record of over 40 years and that I’m going to be Joe Biden
This isn't even talking about oneself in the 3rd person as an affectation, but literally the third person is the whole point of the statement.  Could he have instead said "and I'm going to be myself"?  Sure.  I guess you could argue that would be less awkward, but one could also argue it would be less effective or interesting.

And if we're really going to make fun of people for speaking in the 3rd person... come on, you would be wasting large portions of your day pointing out somebody else's turns of phrase. Yet you don't... hmmm....  I think people are really straining to make an equivalence to Trump, who has seemingly devolved into speaking like an 8 year old.
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wmLambert

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« Reply #706 on: May 22, 2020, 01:52:39 PM »
Doesn't mean anything.  Joe Biden hasn't had as many wives, but his wife still likes him.  Flail away, wmLambert.

Not flailing, at all, but always trying to reply on point, which you never seem to be able to accomplish. Why is every post you make ended with an insult?

I count 4 untruths in that post, for an average of 1:7.5 words.  That's almost Trumpian.

Interesting that you can't even admit your inability to admit your own problems. With you everything is an insult. I assume because you can't hold your own in any honest debate process. BTW, it is good to be Trumpian. That means responding with common sense and not wilting before bullies. You may misinterpret it to mean bullying - but that is just more projection on your part.

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« Reply #707 on: May 22, 2020, 01:59:01 PM »
..I think people are really straining to make an equivalence to Trump, who has seemingly devolved into speaking like an 8 year old.

What is it with you Never-Trumpers and needing to insult? They insulted Reagan as an "uncouth actor who never had a real thought in his head and just read scripts." He was later acknowledged as "The Great Communicator." Trump communicates very well - even with the complicit MSM distorting every thing he says. What is so startling is how so many Left-wing sycophants believe what the MSM says he says, and not understand what he actually did say.

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« Reply #708 on: May 22, 2020, 01:59:28 PM »
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Interesting that you can't even admit your inability to admit your own problems. With you everything is an insult. I assume because you can't hold your own in any honest debate process. BTW, it is good to be Trumpian. That means responding with common sense and not wilting before bullies. You may misinterpret it to mean bullying - but that is just more projection on your part.

Oh, the irony....

DonaldD

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« Reply #709 on: May 22, 2020, 02:10:52 PM »
..I think people are really straining to make an equivalence to Trump, who has seemingly devolved into speaking like an 8 year old.

What is it with you Never-Trumpers and needing to insult? They insulted Reagan as an "uncouth actor who never had a real thought in his head and just read scripts." He was later acknowledged as "The Great Communicator." Trump communicates very well - even with the complicit MSM distorting every thing he says. What is so startling is how so many Left-wing sycophants believe what the MSM says he says, and not understand what he actually did say.
You are nothing if not consistent, wmLambert.  Crunch would be telling you "Orange man good" all day long, if he was truly able to diagnose TDS.

BTW, just because Reagan was a good communicator, doesn't mean everybody else is.  Try comparing Reagan's extemporaneous statements (circa 1980) to anything Trump says without the benefit of a teleprompter... but what am I saying?  Trump is, in your opinion, an even better, more effective orator...

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« Reply #710 on: May 22, 2020, 03:33:22 PM »
Trump was on video talking with a black interviewer earlier today and said  "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Biden, then you ain’t black."

I'm surprised the mainstream outlets aren't making this front and center - seems kinda racist but they seem to be ignoring it completely.

Oh wait my bad. It was Biden and he said "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black."

I'm sure it will show up on Foxnews it it hasn't already. This way people can remain safely in their respective camps.


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« Reply #711 on: May 22, 2020, 03:38:41 PM »
See? That is a stupid thing for Biden to have said.  Whereas bringing up the "I'm going to be Joe Biden" was a partisan invention.

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« Reply #712 on: May 22, 2020, 04:07:29 PM »
I hear "beat Joe Biden" myself.

even "be Joe Biden" is odd. Who is he then? A Bodysnatcher? A reptilian in a Joe Biden skin suit? inquiring minds want to know.  ;D

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/cnbc-transcript-former-vice-president-joe-biden-speaks-with-cnbcs-squawk-box-today.html

It's in response to a question about what kind of president he's going to be (a moderate, a progressive, etc), and he responds with "I'm prepared to say that I have a record of over 40 years. And that I’m going to be Joe Biden. Look at my record." and then continues with his various positions.

It wasn't a question about whether he was going to defeat Trump, it was about what kind of president he would be. In response to that "I'm going to be myself. Look at my record." makes far more sense than "I'm going to beat Donald Trump. Look at my record." which (I assume) you think he meant to say.

I suggest that this really isn't the hill to choose to die on, TheDeamon.
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« Reply #713 on: May 22, 2020, 05:16:15 PM »
Trump was on video talking with a black interviewer earlier today and said  "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Biden, then you ain’t black."

I'm surprised the mainstream outlets aren't making this front and center - seems kinda racist but they seem to be ignoring it completely.
I guess you don't consider CNN to be "mainstream"...

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« Reply #714 on: May 22, 2020, 06:07:59 PM »
Trump was on video talking with a black interviewer earlier today and said  "If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Biden, then you ain’t black."

I'm surprised the mainstream outlets aren't making this front and center - seems kinda racist but they seem to be ignoring it completely.
I guess you don't consider CNN to be "mainstream"...

Not sure which count as "mainstream outlets" but I see it literally front and center on the MSNBC site as well: https://imgur.com/9Lesq6C

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« Reply #715 on: May 23, 2020, 11:25:43 AM »
MSNBC has since covered it a bit. CNN hardly, and downplayed it as best they could - they strangely don't seem to have a point of view on this matter, no red chyrons of “Trump accused of racist comments” on this one. I’d love It if that motion was actually the status quo.

Not surprisingly, the one time the article DonaldD linked to even refers to potential racism (you know, the whole kerfuffle around this particular gaff) is describing how Biden had accused Trump of being one.

And just to be clear, while I do think Biden and the DNC pander and patronize minorities, I don’t think he’s racist - just feeble minded. This is more about the parody of “journalism” we currently live in.

edit: just for grins I went to MSNBC and CNN just now and the story is no where to be found. All those hard hitting Tara Reade articles must be putting space at a premium.



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« Reply #716 on: May 23, 2020, 03:22:03 PM »
I'm a member of toastmasters, and trump violates about every rule about making an effective speech. You can love what he has to say, but if you love his delivery you are either stupid or deluded.

DonaldD

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« Reply #717 on: May 23, 2020, 03:53:33 PM »
Quote from: ScottF
edit: just for grins I went to MSNBC and CNN just now and the story is no where to be found. All those hard hitting Tara Reade articles must be putting space at a premium.
I have no doubt that CNN focuses more on negative Trump spin, whereas Fox focuses more on negative Biden spin, but here's another CNN article currently on the 'front page':   GOP Sen. Tim Scott says Biden's black voters comment is 'condescending and arrogant'

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« Reply #718 on: May 23, 2020, 04:44:46 PM »
After a lengthy interview with Chris Wallace, Wallace thanks Biden for the time. Biden responds with, “Alright, thanks Chuck”.

Look, Biden often doesn’t know where he is and, obviously, struggles to know who he’s even talking to at times.

It’s at the point we should start calling it elder abuse.

Next time trump gets someones name wrong I'll look forward to you calling him on it.

Kasandra

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« Reply #719 on: May 23, 2020, 07:13:55 PM »
Personally, I'm waiting for Biden to say something as dumb as Trump's,

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Describing how Washington's patriots defeated the British between 1775 and 1783, the president told crowds gathered to hear his Fourth of July address: "Our army manned the air." At that point he paused briefly, apparently realising he had misspoken, before continuing: "It rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do …"

or my favorite,

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In a speech at the Values Voter Summit for conservative political groups in 2017, the president mixed up the words “future” and “furniture” – but clearly hoped that no one would notice.

Praising hardworking Americans, he said: “And we see it in the mothers and the fathers who get up at the crack of dawn; they work two jobs, and sometimes three jobs. They sacrifice every day for the furniture … and future … of their children.”

It's not a case of serial senior moments, but of a defective brain doing its best to operate in a hostile environment, reality.

wmLambert

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« Reply #720 on: May 23, 2020, 09:45:30 PM »
...It's not a case of serial senior moments, but of a defective brain doing its best to operate in a hostile environment, reality.

What is sad is how the Left has always had an army of "fact-finders" with nothing better to do, than listen to every word out of the millions spoken by any conservative looking for anything they can find that may be used against them. They did it with Dan Quayle, going so far to give him misspelled judges' cards for a spelling bee that even when he said the word on the card he was given was wrong, they pilloried him for ruining a young spelling bee contestant for spelling a word correctly. Yogi Berra was cute. Quayle was retarded? It has been the experience of conservative speakers to have anything misstated, even if instantly corrected, show up on the entire MSM within minutes, with no mention that the word was corrected instantly.

Biden is different. He is being noticed for being clueless. Not knowing what city he is in, what email address to use, or what bills he endorsed or fought against. He walks off camera in a basement videocast, and was yanked off the interview circuit by his staff, before the Coronavirus sheltering in space kicked in. His staff is terrified of any debates he would face, and rightly so. You tell me - who do you think is sharper in any debate format, even ones by the MSM where Biden may be given the questions in advance, like Hillary was?

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« Reply #721 on: May 24, 2020, 07:04:32 AM »
Amazing juxtaposition in a single post...

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What is sad is how the Left has always had an army of "fact-finders" with nothing better to do, than listen to every word out of the millions spoken by any conservative looking for anything they can find that may be used against them.

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Biden is different. He is being noticed for being clueless.

Biden's "you ain't black" remark was wrong, clueless -no, tone deaf -yes.  OTOH, yesterday Trump retweeted that Hillary Clinton is a skank, and has in the past called Biden crazy, Bloomberg Mini Mike, Al Franken Frankenstein, Jerry Nadler Fat Jerry, Obama Cheatin', Beto O'Rourke Dummy, Pelosi Nervous Nancy, Rubio Little Marco, Bernie Sanders Braindead, Adam Schiff Little *censored*, Elizabeth Warren Goofy, Maxine Waters Low IQ....etc., etc., etc....but you get the point.  Or do you?

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« Reply #722 on: May 24, 2020, 10:11:18 AM »
Yeah, orange man bad. You make that point in nearly every post.

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« Reply #723 on: May 24, 2020, 11:02:08 AM »
Yeah, orange man bad. You make that point in nearly every post.

Did you miss that wmLambert always says Biden bad?  Why are you so obsessed with the color of Trump's skin?  If you could see past that you might be able to judge his character.

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« Reply #724 on: May 24, 2020, 11:47:44 AM »
Yeah, orange man bad. You make that point in nearly every post.

Did you miss that wmLambert always says Biden bad?  Why are you so obsessed with the color of Trump's skin?  If you could see past that you might be able to judge his character.

No, what you continually miss, is that when Trump returns fire against someone who is totally and completely incorrect in their attacks on him, the only thing the MSM covers is his reaction to the rants made against him, not those who initiated the attack. With Biden, he is clueless. he makes gaffes, not in reaction to lies and dishonesty, but out of lack of ability to communicate properly. It's not responding to attack, and is then misquoted. He is initiating the attacks, himself, and screwing up as he does so.

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« Reply #725 on: May 24, 2020, 03:03:30 PM »
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No, what you continually miss, is that when Trump returns fire against someone who is totally and completely incorrect in their attacks on him

"returns fire" means someone does something affecting him that he doesn't like.  What did Marco Rubio do to deserve being belittled by Trump?

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« Reply #726 on: May 24, 2020, 11:46:17 PM »
...What did Marco Rubio do to deserve being belittled by Trump?

In the debate, Rubio tried to mark his territory against Trump by saying: "If he builds the wall like he built Trump Tower, he'll be using illegal immigrants." Then Trump responded. Reaction - not attack. Trump responded to Rubio's unfounded attack with facts: He bought a house for $179,000 and the sold it to a lobbyist for $380,000, then legislation was passed..."

Rubio made a mistake by attacking Trump the way he did and apologized, They are now good friends. Ted Cruz tried the same attack strategy and apologized, also, and is now a great supporter. The old style of phony attacks against a front-runner doesn't work against Trump, he immediately answers, and reacts against the attacker.

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« Reply #727 on: May 25, 2020, 06:42:34 AM »
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In the debate, Rubio tried to mark his territory against Trump by saying: "If he builds the wall like he built Trump Tower, he'll be using illegal immigrants." Then Trump responded. Reaction - not attack.

That's something like you better not reach for his cookie or he'll bite your hand off.  Very Christian of him.

wmLambert, what do you think of his accusations against Joe Scarborough?  Was Joe reaching for his cookie?

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« Reply #728 on: May 25, 2020, 12:18:15 PM »
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In the debate, Rubio tried to mark his territory against Trump by saying: "If he builds the wall like he built Trump Tower, he'll be using illegal immigrants." Then Trump responded. Reaction - not attack.

That's something like you better not reach for his cookie or he'll bite your hand off.  Very Christian of him.

wmLambert, what do you think of his accusations against Joe Scarborough?  Was Joe reaching for his cookie?

When has Scarborough NOT been reaching for his cookies? To many, the fact that Hillary broke laws and skated bother them. It is a Democrat paradigm: Break the law, blame the other side for what you have done, and when proved to be the guilty party and not the victim, get away with it. Someone must pay for the biggest scandal in American history, the attempted coup. Comey lied. McCabe lied. Schiff lied. Biden lied. Obama lied. We all have seen those lies proven, yet no one has even had their hands slapped.

Why shouldn't the President express the questions asked by the public, when the media and the swamp just ignore it all, with the excuse that the news cycle only lasts a few days, and then everyone will just forget about it?  Oh, except attacks on Trump, of course. That goes on for over three years nonstop. There is still no justice for the boys on the track, and that was three decades ago. many of Clinton's closest friends and accomplices (close to a hundred) served hard time in prison for crimes associated with the Clinton crime family, yet Bill and Hillary never blinked.

Why get ticked off when Trump mentions the stuff the MSM ignores? The accused may not always be guilty, but the MSM has no right not to cover important stories. Drudge used to be a champion at posting news stories that were hidden beneath the fold on page thirty-two, yet deserved to be front-page news. Now he has acknowledged being a Never-Trumper, and leans toward anti-Trump headlines. Where does the real news come from now?

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« Reply #729 on: May 25, 2020, 01:09:27 PM »
That is a sad and pathetic response.  You blame Joe, Hillary and all Democrats for unspecified crimes but don't address the single question I asked.  This is a bogus conspiracy theory that has been disproven every time the right tries to raise it, which they only do when they sense that Joe doesn't like something they're doing.

In the spirit of candor, I confess that I once wondered if Joe did kill this woman, but I then only had a shred of information to go on.  After I learned more about how she died I realized that he had nothing to do with her death.  Right wing conspiracy theorists, in which group I squarely put you, refuse the evidence and only go with the maligning and deeply personal attacks.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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« Reply #730 on: May 25, 2020, 01:12:25 PM »
What did poor Jeff Sessions ever do to Trump?

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« Reply #731 on: May 25, 2020, 10:26:50 PM »
...I once wondered if Joe did kill this woman, but I then only had a shred of information to go on.  After I learned more about how she died I realized that he had nothing to do with her death.

Nothing is proven one way or the other. What made her family incredibly angry with Scarborough is that within three hours of her death his office had contacted two local  news stations and told them she had "health issues", which her family said was untrue. All history of her working in his office was removed. There were many strange actions taken with zero coverage by anyone. The family did not take this lying down.

Here is one reporter who wondered at unanswered questions: https://europetodaynews.wordpress.com/did-joe-scarborough-rape-and-kill-his-intern/
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« Reply #732 on: May 26, 2020, 05:22:02 AM »
...I once wondered if Joe did kill this woman, but I then only had a shred of information to go on.  After I learned more about how she died I realized that he had nothing to do with her death.

Nothing is proven one way or the other. What made her family incredibly angry with Scarborough is that within three hours of her death his office had contacted two local  news stations and told them she had "health issues", which her family said was untrue. All history of her working in his office was removed. There were many strange actions taken with zero coverage by anyone. The family did not take this lying down.

Here is one reporter who wondered at unanswered questions: https://europetodaynews.wordpress.com/did-joe-scarborough-rape-and-kill-his-intern/

Thanks for speaking on behalf of the baseless conspiracy theory. Virtually everything in that statement is false, beginning with "Nothing is proven one way or the other."  That's only true for people who refuse to look at the facts.  I won't bother with the rest of your usual nonsense.

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« Reply #733 on: May 26, 2020, 01:04:02 PM »
...I once wondered if Joe did kill this woman, but I then only had a shred of information to go on.  After I learned more about how she died I realized that he had nothing to do with her death.

Nothing is proven one way or the other. What made her family incredibly angry with Scarborough is that within three hours of her death his office had contacted two local  news stations and told them she had "health issues", which her family said was untrue. All history of her working in his office was removed. There were many strange actions taken with zero coverage by anyone. The family did not take this lying down.

Here is one reporter who wondered at unanswered questions: https://europetodaynews.wordpress.com/did-joe-scarborough-rape-and-kill-his-intern/

Thanks for speaking on behalf of the baseless conspiracy theory. Virtually everything in that statement is false, beginning with "Nothing is proven one way or the other."  That's only true for people who refuse to look at the facts.  I won't bother with the rest of your usual nonsense.

Whoa! You're the one who never stated any facts. You said when you learned about how she died, Scarborough had nothing to do with her death. How does that jive with blunt force injury to the head? She was very healthy, recently finished a marathon, and was not a time bomb waiting to explode. Her family was incensed over how it was handled. Why? Also, why did he suddenly resign and drop out of sight?

You said you had the facts. Provide them. Or are you another Schiff?

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« Reply #734 on: May 26, 2020, 01:13:12 PM »
Have you even seen a reference to the autopsy, wmLambert?  If not, why are you making baseless accusations?  If you did, why are you making baseless accusations?

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« Reply #735 on: May 26, 2020, 01:27:22 PM »
Also, why did he suddenly resign and drop out of sight?
You are insinuating here that Scarborough left Congress in some way as a response to Klausutis' death... but he announced his departure from Congress 2 months before she died. The question is how could you not have known this?  You are parroting a conspiracy theory and slandering a real person - why would you not do even the most basic fact checking?

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« Reply #736 on: May 26, 2020, 05:53:15 PM »
Also, why did he suddenly resign and drop out of sight?
You are insinuating here that Scarborough left Congress in some way as a response to Klausutis' death... but he announced his departure from Congress 2 months before she died. The question is how could you not have known this?  You are parroting a conspiracy theory and slandering a real person - why would you not do even the most basic fact checking?

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Scarborough got a divorce. Then he suddenly resigned from Congress, just six months after re-election. (Invoked old fallback excuse of wanting to “spend more time” with children.) Then he suddenly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun. Then, just as suddenly, Lori Klausutis, 28-year-old staffer to Scarborough, was found dead in Scarborough’s district office in Fort Walton Beach, Florida. Date was July 20, 2001. Cause of death: Blow to the head. Conclusion: Heart condition caused her to collapse, fall, hit head on a desk, and die. Story barely a blip on the radar. Lots of people left with lots of questions.
Yet her family said she had no heart condition and was in top health.

Y'know, when the top twenty search results all come from leftwing sources, you might want to wonder why. When the MSM refuses to cover anything, then the non-coverage is what your searches will find.

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« Reply #737 on: May 26, 2020, 06:00:29 PM »
And when somebody else quotes a blog, who quotes a right-wing website, which then quotes a random speculator... that's somehow more reliable than MSM. Kay.

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« Reply #738 on: May 26, 2020, 06:53:05 PM »
And when somebody else quotes a blog, who quotes a right-wing website, which then quotes a random speculator... that's somehow more reliable than MSM. Kay.

When the MSM doesn't give any coverage to an issue, and the few news outlets that do are all taken down and not archived, then the only facts available are from those few people who archive newsworthy events on their own. They may have the original facts as reported contemporaneously, but this paradigm of removing all traces of anything the Left doesn't want to be public knowledge, allows any facts dredged up this way to be ignored as conspiracy theory. Did you ever do any personal research on a pro-Left story? Y'know, check out where it first appeared, and then who picked it up and republished as being newsworthy. I have done this several times, and the circular supporting correlations are worthless - yet will yield the top two dozen hits from most search engines. One has to dig down to find contemporaneous events that begin to have provable fact.

I stopped minding when a Democrat apologist uses the conspiracy theory excuse for not responding with facts, but with circularly posted imaginings, instead. It's just the way things are, and one needs better research to top the superiority tactic.

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #739 on: May 26, 2020, 06:58:26 PM »
So what facts do you have about what you claim to have actually happened?

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #740 on: May 26, 2020, 07:40:33 PM »
Oh, wmLambert, the pretzels you twist yourself into to avoid cognitive dissonance...

Can you admit that Scarborough announced his resignation two month's prior to Klausutis' death?  And can you answer why Scarborough's divorce, two years prior to his resignation, is even pertinent? (let's not even get into how '2 years later' can be characterized as 'suddenly')

Can you admit that the autopsy listed the cause of death, head trauma, as precipitated by complications of a heart condition, and that her death was ruled accidental? (as an aside, there have been professional athletes that have died from undiagnosed heart conditions - it is not exactly unheard of.)

Can you admit that Scarborough was in Washington at the time of her death?

As for "When the MSM doesn't give any coverage to an issue, and the few news outlets that do are all taken down and not archived" I provided you a link to the wayback machine archive of the Florida Times Union story from 2001.

As for the family, what do they say?  Well, we don't have to guess - here is what her widower is saying right now:
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The frequency, intensity, ugliness, and promulgation of these horrifying lies ever increases on the internet. These conspiracy theorists, including most recently the president of the United States, continue to spread their bile and misinformation on your platform disparaging the memory of my wife and our marriage.
It would seem the family isn't so much upset with Scarborough as with Trump spreading lies about how she died (and presumably, internet wack jobs that repeat those conspiracy theories.)

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #741 on: May 26, 2020, 07:52:37 PM »
Yet her family said she had no heart condition and was in top health.
But what does her family actually say?  Foxnews: Twitter deeply sorry it hasn't deleted Trump's tweets
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"Nearly 19 years ago, my wife, who had an undiagnosed heart condition, fell and hit her head on her desk at work. She was found dead the next morning. Her name is Lori Kaye Klausutis and she was 28 years old when she died. Her passing is the single most painful thing that I have ever had to deal with in my 52 years and continues to haunt her parents and sister,” Timothy J. Klausutis wrote. “I have mourned my wife every day since her passing.”

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #742 on: May 27, 2020, 11:31:52 AM »
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They may have the original facts as reported contemporaneously, but this paradigm of removing all traces of anything the Left doesn't want to be public knowledge, allows any facts dredged up this way to be ignored as conspiracy theory.

But where are the facts that point to "Joe killed her"? Most of what you linked talks about why we shouldn't believe the official story by attacking the ME who wrote the report, saying the press conference timing was fishy, saying that someone who ran a marathon couldn't have had this heart problem. Where is the positive evidence supporting the "Joe killed her" story? You know, like a second autopsy, or a witness who saw Joe there, or somebody who heard them arguing just hours before? It might be in there, I confess I found the message board threaded conversation a little incoherent.

Well here's the actual origin source, not sent through a game of blogger telephone.

Daily Kos consipiracy origin

1. Suspicious press conference
2. Negligent ME
3. Omitted obituary

That's the whole case, although really the point of the article was to chastise the media for not hounding him over it.

I'd like to see the actual transcript from the press conference, but I'm not digging for it, and apparently neither is Kos. The fact that a negligent ME wrote a report doesn't make that report negligent. It requires someone looking at it to point out omissions or flaws. If you've ever written an obituary, it is a heart rending task especially when someone dies suddenly at a young age. The fact that Joe Scarborough wasn't on the family's mind isn't surprising. I doubt most obituarys for an intern would name who or which company they were interning for. Maybe a senior staffer.

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #743 on: May 27, 2020, 12:17:40 PM »
Yet her family said she had no heart condition and was in top health.
But what does her family actually say?  Foxnews: Twitter deeply sorry it hasn't deleted Trump's tweets
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"Nearly 19 years ago, my wife, who had an undiagnosed heart condition, fell and hit her head on her desk at work. She was found dead the next morning. Her name is Lori Kaye Klausutis and she was 28 years old when she died. Her passing is the single most painful thing that I have ever had to deal with in my 52 years and continues to haunt her parents and sister,” Timothy J. Klausutis wrote. “I have mourned my wife every day since her passing.”

Didn't Mary Jo Kopechne have the same "undiagnosed heart condition"?  ;D :o

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #744 on: May 27, 2020, 12:27:32 PM »
Yet her family said she had no heart condition and was in top health.
But what does her family actually say?  Foxnews: Twitter deeply sorry it hasn't deleted Trump's tweets
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"Nearly 19 years ago, my wife, who had an undiagnosed heart condition, fell and hit her head on her desk at work. She was found dead the next morning. Her name is Lori Kaye Klausutis and she was 28 years old when she died. Her passing is the single most painful thing that I have ever had to deal with in my 52 years and continues to haunt her parents and sister,” Timothy J. Klausutis wrote. “I have mourned my wife every day since her passing.”

Didn't Mary Jo Kopechne have the same "undiagnosed heart condition"?  ;D :o

Do you think Joe killed her?

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #745 on: May 27, 2020, 12:34:07 PM »
No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #746 on: May 27, 2020, 01:04:13 PM »
No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #747 on: May 27, 2020, 01:16:55 PM »
No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

smh.

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #748 on: May 27, 2020, 01:57:52 PM »
No, Crunch's point is that the enemies of conservatives are constantly murdering people and getting away with it.

It's a pretty incredible double standard ain't it?

Except at the time, Scarborough was a conservative, or at least a Republican. I only heard people like Kos really grabbing this up when Scarborough split with the Republican party and started criticizing them.

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Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« Reply #749 on: May 27, 2020, 04:40:01 PM »
There's a huge gap between conservative and Republican. Scarbrough is anti-Trump so he's a "good Republican". That's why he gets a show on MSNBC.