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wmLambert

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« on: August 21, 2020, 03:52:39 PM »
After the Democrat Virtual Convention, the main takeaway from many observers is how dark the message was. Most speeches were attacks on Trump. As Obama said, "Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job, because he can’t, and the consequences of that failure are severe: 170,000 Americans dead. Millions of jobs gone. Those at the top taking more than ever. Our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.”

No mention of Biden proposals, yet every Democrat apologist says they are on his official website. I went there, and did not see them clearly delineated. As in all the convention speeches, the info speaks in broad terms, denying what Trump actually accomplished, and then plagiarizes the actions Trump has already taken.

In Obama's speech, the long-established principle of decorum was ignored and the message was dark attacks on Trump and his supporters. I have yet to see a MSM vetting of Obama's speech to point out that each insult was disinformational.

Point in proof, was Biden's claim that Trump has ignored the Coronavirus and done nothing to fix things. His changing the rules to allow vaccine research to bring them online in a few months rather than six years proves Biden lied.

Go to the official website and look for yourself for fully developed policy. If you see mostly generic attacks without coherent details, then what is it Biden is actually proposing?
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2020, 04:01:13 PM »
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Not hard to find. All concrete proposals.

As just one clear example:

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Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities – ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists.

wmLambert

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2020, 04:23:56 PM »
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Not hard to find. All concrete proposals.

As just one clear example:

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Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities – ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists.

Not a good example. Better is the "Joe's leadership during the COVID-19 Pandemic". It lists 19 "statements" he made. The last on 4/27. All mostly platitudes.

The Public Transportation policy is also generic and does not answer the California failures to accomplish the exact same "provisions." Why make a policy provision that has been shown not to work without the specifics needed to make it workable?

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2020, 04:52:38 PM »
As just one clear example:

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Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities – ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists.

LOL pandering.

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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2020, 04:53:58 PM »
Biden's immigration policy is pretty clear.

"The Biden Plan for Securing Our Values as a Nation of Immigrants"

The plan is to secure our values, not secure our borders.

https://joebiden.com/immigration/#

So not going to separate families. Not going to raid businesses using massive numbers of illegals to undercut American wages and benefits. Hospitals and schools are off limits for immigration enforcement. DACA stays so that encourages the next wave who will expect their amnesty too. States are more strictly enforcing visitor quarantines than what we'll have for illegals crossing the border. No quarantine. No health checks. No way to control Covid-19 if we don't have it under control by then.

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2020, 05:06:54 PM »
I have little doubt that the majority of the policy proposals will not be supported by the conservative cadre here.  That's not a surprise, is it?

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2020, 06:00:45 PM »
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Not hard to find. All concrete proposals.

As just one clear example:

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Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities – ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists.

Not a good example. Better is the "Joe's leadership during the COVID-19 Pandemic". It lists 19 "statements" he made. The last on 4/27. All mostly platitudes.

The Public Transportation policy is also generic and does not answer the California failures to accomplish the exact same "provisions." Why make a policy provision that has been shown not to work without the specifics needed to make it workable?

You mean like building a wall and making Mexico pay for it?

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2020, 07:24:37 PM »
If Biden doesn't win, most of the platform won't matter very much. The thing about his immigration stance though is that it's quite possible it has an effect on things right now regardless of whether or not he eventually becomes President. His platform encourages illegal immigration right now by people who see the light at the end of the tunnel. The courts including the Supreme Court have tied Trump's hands and signaled that our laws will not be enforced, cannot be enforced. Biden is doubling and tripling down on that and pretty much promises that as long as you don't have an Interpol warrant out on you, if you get in then you stay in. Every country with a gang or drug or terrorist problem opens the doors to America with a play for asylum. Even if the claims eventually got denied they would be here for years before that ever happened and they'd already have established themselves with homes, businesses, and anchor children.

"By Alicia A. Caldwell in Los Angeles and Juan Montes in Mexico City
Aug. 17, 2020 7:50 am ET
Illegal crossings are back on the rise at the southern U.S. border after having plummeted at the start of the coronavirus pandemic, driven by a large increase in single adults from Mexico."

It's hilarious watching the state of New York institute quarantines for Americans from other states while tens of thousands of illegals come into our country and disperse throughout it at will. Who is checking them for Covid-19? Nobody. I've been the first to call out Trump's mistakes on handling the pandemic. I was all over the mask issue from day one. But I also know that travel restrictions are vital too. I'm not against New York state and it's strict quarantines. That's fine and necessary. I'm just laughing at how ineffective they are with our borders spread wide open. Americans who check into a hotel have to give all their information and itinerary while thousands of illegals are scattering themselves throughout the state and nobody knows a thing about them.

Liberal New Zealand was so successful not because of masks but because of strict travel restrictions. Even Canada has them and is cracking down on Americans. Meanwhile our Democrat Party makes a mockery of any serious attempt to contain Covid-19 by encouraging a never-ending stream of people to cross our borders. That's the most important plank of the Biden platform. No containment. The rest of it won't matter if he doesn't win but that matters now, win or lose, because it's a promising enticement and people respond to it immediately.

According to Democrats including Biden there are four main things that are effective at preventing the spread of Covid-19: 1. Masks 2. Social Distancing 3. BLM Protests and now 4. Checking Americans at state borders but not checking illegals at national borders.

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2020, 12:41:11 PM »
...You mean like building a wall and making Mexico pay for it? [Snarky non sequitur]

Because of Trump's negotiations with Mexico, we have tens of thousands of Mexican troops patrolling, for some reason there are now troops there that Obama and Biden never requested, which does augment the wall which is being built, but under-reported by the MSM. Also, the new treaty has helped both nations economically, so the money has increased on both sides of the border. Coronavirus is a hiccup that the Dems are henging their future upon.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2020, 04:35:17 PM »
 A bunch of words that do not address that he said they would pay for it. They did not.

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2020, 08:24:39 PM »
A bunch of words that do not address that he said they would pay for it. They did not.

Didn't they? I thought all that new money coming in was a fact. I guess it just went into the mattress. I heard Trump say many times that we wouldn't see the Mexican President write a check, but the money would come from Mexico. I also heard Obama say we could keep our doctors and each family would save over two grand a year for healthcare. I also heard Biden say he would follow the lead of the scientists for the pandemic - yet in 2009 for the Swine Flu, he appointed his chief of staff to run things, and that same man today has said they were a total failure in everything they did. What is it about Democrats that lets your hearing be so selective?

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2020, 08:43:46 PM »
Biden bases all his proposals on one idea that is not scientific: Biden will ensure investments create good, union jobs that expand the middle class and save the world from Global Warming. However; science says we are in an interglacial period and approaching cooling and not heating. He really should listen to the scientists and not Fake News and hockey-stick chart-makers.

Past attempts at government trying to create business is always unsuccessful, and bailed out by entrepreneurs stepping in to save their bacon. To create "good, union jobs that expand the middle class," the best way is to allow free enterprise to work. That is Trump - not Biden.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2020, 08:56:57 PM »
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After the Democrat Virtual Convention, the main takeaway from many observers is how dark the message was. Most speeches were attacks on Trump. As Obama said, "Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job, because he can’t, and the consequences of that failure are severe: 170,000 Americans dead. Millions of jobs gone. Those at the top taking more than ever. Our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.”

You can't see your own shadow.

You don't get to comment on a "dark message" defined as calling out people and "saying it as it is" while your man is nothing but a negative name calling fear monger-er. 
This is the ends your support of a man that is not qualified to lead, leads to. darkness and negativity.

In the ends justify the means in GoP politics I wonder if you have forgotten which ends your actually aiming for. 

Good luck as the GOP begins embracing Qanon where evidence = conspiracy and no evidence = quilt.
Talk about people supporting a "something' that can't see there own shadow. A Organization that has a foundation built on un-vetted anonymous secret sources and that claims to be afraid of secrete shadow organizations. They are the thing they fear.   
 How could that go wrong.
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wmLambert

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2020, 10:01:35 PM »
...You don't get to comment on a "dark message" defined as calling out people and "saying it as it is" while your man is nothing but a negative name calling fear monger-er. 
This is the ends your support of a man that is not qualified to lead, leads to. darkness and negativity.

In the ends justify the means in GoP politics I wonder if you have forgotten which ends your actually aiming for.

Sheer projection. Trump is not a negative name-calling machine. That would be the Democrats who call him a racist. homophobe, and divider. Trump only responds to attacks and answers them, because he knows the MSM will not. He told us in his autobiographies that when he is attacked he will respond - but twice as hard. When they call hum a name that is disinformational, he will react and answer them with names that are totally appropriate - but devastating. Jeb Bush was so destroyed by being called "low-energy" that he still smarts from it. The whole Bush family never apologized to him, and to this day sabotages anything he does just like Democrats. But he doesn't need them. they are not martyrs.

You do not accept reality if you say Trump is not qualified to lead. He was elected from the business world and not from within the Washington Swamp, and immediately created metrics that make him the greatest US leader of all time. That is not arguable. Although Obama and the Never-Trumpers ran an unsuccessful coup attempt - he still beat them. You can look at the Coronavirus pandemic as if it was nothing, but it crashed the economy. The metrics are rapidly growing once again. The Stock Market has already recovered. However; Democrats are still looking to sabotage whatever they can to affect the election. Scientists say masks are not effective except to protect those with known co-morbidity. They also point to successful opened schools all over the world.

Let's look at projection, once again. Democrats called Trump Xenophobic and racist when he followed the call from scientists and shut down our borders from infected areas. Those scientists say he undoubtedly saved many lives, yet the Dems ignore that history and claim the opposite.

The Dark and negative comes from the Left. They project that onto Trump.

BTW: The "ends justify the means" is a Democrat paradigm. Carville and Begala codified that. The GOP mostly still have principles.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2020, 12:13:52 AM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8652719/Kamala-Harris-PRANKED-Russian-hoaxers-pose-Greta-Thunberg-father.html

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Two Russian pranksters reportedly posed as Swedish environmentalist Greta Thunberg and her dad during a phone call with vice presidential candidate Senator Kamala Harris and offered her damaging information about President Trump.

Audio of the January phone call, which was obtained by The Sun, indicates that Harris had no idea that she was being duped by the two jokesters - Vladimir ‘Vovan’ Kuznetsov and Alexey ‘Lexus’ Stolyarov.

During the three-and-a-half-minute call, Harris, the California senator who just weeks earlier had dropped out of the race for the Democratic nomination for president, is heard accepting the call from ‘Greta.’

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2020, 11:19:08 AM »
Well, this thread has suddenly become very one-sided.

The Republican Party has decided not to adopt a platform this year, and instead support whatever Donald Trump wants.

Seriously.

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In lieu of a document attempting to define the party’s beliefs and priorities, the RNC simply states that it agrees with everything Trump has done and will do:

WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the
policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the
Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the
President’s America-first agenda;

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a
new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

So there's no new platform to discuss.  They are just supporting Trump's America-first agenda, which changes by the hour.  :D

So I guess this should be retitled, "Re: Office Party Platform."  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2020, 11:27:47 AM »
Well I guess there is a third party now.  The Dems, the Republicans and the Trumps.

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2020, 11:29:27 AM »
Well, this thread has suddenly become very one-sided.

The Republican Party has decided not to adopt a platform this year, and instead support whatever Donald Trump wants.

Seriously.

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In lieu of a document attempting to define the party’s beliefs and priorities, the RNC simply states that it agrees with everything Trump has done and will do:

WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the
policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the
Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the
President’s America-first agenda;

RESOVLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a
new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

So there's no new platform to discuss.  They are just supporting Trump's America-first agenda, which changes by the hour.  :D

So I guess this should be retitled, "Re: Office Party Platform."  ;D

I had mentioned earlier with Trump headlining the convention every night along with his children speaking that the Republican party was becoming the Trump party. Guess they are just formalizing that for this election. If Trump wins this year the GOP is dead. We will have the Democrats and the Trump party. If they officially change the name is up for debate but it is clear that's all we'll have for the next 4 years.

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2020, 11:35:19 AM »
OMG - "RESOVLVED" - is this an actual image of the GOP platform, or is somebody taking the piss?

As Adopted by the Republican National Committee: RESOLUTION REGARDING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM

What the Covfefe??

wmLambert

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2020, 01:31:31 PM »
...The Republican Party has decided not to adopt a platform this year, and instead support whatever Donald Trump wants.

Trump explains at every opportunity what he wants to accomplish. Only a non-serious cretin is left out of the loop. He also does not change his opinion - but only adapts the tactics of the best way to accomplish them. The lower and middle class has prospered at more than twice the rate than the wealthier class has. You'd never know that by the reportage.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2020, 01:41:16 PM »
...The Republican Party has decided not to adopt a platform this year, and instead support whatever Donald Trump wants.

Trump explains at every opportunity what he wants to accomplish. Only a non-serious cretin is left out of the loop. He also does not change his opinion - but only adapts the tactics of the best way to accomplish them.

So why can't they write up what he/they wants to accomplish in a nice party platform document. Are the party delegates non-serious cretins?

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2020, 11:27:37 PM »
https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Not hard to find. All concrete proposals.

I'm stunned that you labelled any of them concrete proposals.  Other than the stance on immigration, which is effectively reversing anything that slows down illegal immigration or actually tries to enforce our laws in good faith, almost everything is a collection of buzz words and impossible to realize promises.

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As just one clear example:

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Transit: Provide every American city with 100,000 or more residents with high-quality, zero-emissions public transportation options through flexible federal investments with strong labor protections that create good, union jobs and meet the needs of these cities – ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists.

First of all, Biden uses "high-quality" about 10 thousand times, to describe everything that appears anywhere in his proposals.  He also throws zero-emissions into every  single proposal.  I mean my favorite on that front is this one:

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Many farmers are some of the best stewards of our land, air, and water. The government needs to partner with them to accelerate progress toward net-zero emissions. As president, Biden will ensure our agricultural sector is the first in the world to achieve net-zero emissions, and that our farmers earn income as we meet this milestone.

Has anyone told Biden (maybe one of his scientific advisers that he references a thousand times, but never by name) that its more likely than not impossible to achieve zero emissions farming?  Even vegetable only farming doesn't get there, and certainly not when you account for harvest, transit and fertilzer.  Animals?  not unless he's going to use those land grant university research funds he's promising to get fartless cattle.  He can only mean "net zero" by buying credits or some other fake accounting trick.  How's he going to increase their costs (which is 100% the result of his proposals), limit their techiques, require they pay for carbon offsets and help them generate income?  Sure as heck isn't going to be by letting them raise their prices, as that rational policy is anathema to everyone in government that relies on the bread and circuses technique.  Really only one thing he can mean, a return to massive farm subsidies where, once again, we pay farmers to grow crops (or not grow crops) that we don't need, that we then force others to find uses for (hello big fat Americans raised on a diet of high fructose corn syrup to help soak up the government subsidized corn we grow).

How's he achieving zero emissions in transit, with improvements "ranging from light rail networks to improving existing transit and bus lines to installing infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists"?   Rails, transit and busing all have emissions, with the only arguable "savings" coming from reducing car traffic, but if we're all headed to electric cars there isn't any savings there.  But it gets worse, cause even if you posit all electric mass transit, and ignore the environmental costs of laying tracks - and completely ignore that the most effective mass transit systems in the country have been virtually shut down for over six months because of pandemic that calls to question whether we can ever responsibly use such forms of transit again (which by the way will really hurt the Biden "leadership" on Covid that we all missed while he was hiding in the basement and criticizing Trump acting early, but that his website proudly proclaims) - you still have to generate the electricity.  You may have notice CA's green outs.  Turns out that the central planners in the great socialist state of CA failed to account for the fact that power needs last after dark until late evening, and that solar power drops off a cliff when it gets dark, which means buying fossil fuel power from whoever happens to be running a dirty plant out of state that can pick up the capacity.

And because the Dems have totally screwed over their union allies in about a thousand ways, he references "good" or usually "good paying" union jobs in every single "proposal."  Note that he's creating these "good paying" union jobs with a economic plan that will revitalize our economy, by "mobilizing" small businesses.  Umm... small business and big union contracts, not exactly peanut butter in jelly.   In fact, small businesses are the exact kind that have NEVER been able to survive the heavy union overlay he's proposing, not to mention not being able to afford the 12 weeks paid sick leave he's proposing (yep 3 months apparently out of a year),  the mandatory increase in wages, and, oh yeah, the criminal charges they could face if they argue too hard against unionization (hey, you know freedom is overrated anyway).  But just in case we're confused, he only means "the right kind" of unions, as he makes crystal clear when he promises to send massive amounts of immediate cash aid to local governments to support their good paying union jobs for educators and fire fighters (ever since 9/11!  Go go pretend patriotism call out), but not the police unions (which he leaves out repeatedly). 

And why cities over 100k?  Surely for you post office fanatics you don't think it's okay to leave the under-served rural areas free from the benefits of green transit options.  Wouldn't that help to citify them if they could get into the nearest cities on cheap (ie heavily subsidized) green trains and buses?  Oh yeah but there's a reason for that call out.  There's like 320 cities of that size in the US and 75 are in CA and virtually all of them are blue even if they're in red states.  Nothing like targeted pork for the base.

I mean Biden's promising to raise taxes on virtually everyone, but especially on scary "corporations" and the rich, but don't look behind the curtain on the SALT tax deductions, which will come back with a vengeance even thought they pretty much only benefit the 1%ers.  But hey, they're Blue State 1%'ers so you know they get the 99%'er-pass by association.

And got to love his "motto" "Build Back Better."  Lol, just like "Make America Great Again" except, you know better, cause he'll add in millions of pages of new regulations with severe consequences to make sure that none of you ever make the mistake of thinking you could possible manage any aspect of your own life better than faceless federal bureaucrats against whom you have no recourse and for which you have no appeal (oh unless you happen to be connected to a DNC politicians, and then again you get the DNC-pass and those rules clearly don't apply to you).

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2020, 11:47:14 PM »
So you don't like his proposals, fine, that's no surprise. I could find papers talking about how net zero emissions can be achieveable, but I suspect they'd be dismissed as "unrealistic" or "too expensive". I could point out science that talks about carbon sinks in farming, and other things, you'd claim "the numbers just don't add up".

12 weeks paid sick leave is so impossible that the UK offers up to 24 weeks. There's a cap on the amount, but it is paid sick leave. Germany mandates 6 weeks of paid sick leave at full salary. After that 70% for up to 78 weeks, but yeah totally impossible! 98 different countries insist on one month or more of paid sick days. Including much poorer countries than the United States.

You might be right about public transit, or maybe not. If a vaccine becomes available, and if the general population would take basic precautions like masks, I don't see why people aren't going to be able to take the bus.

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2020, 11:18:43 AM »
Well, since nobody on here seems to be bothered to do so, I ventured over to see what the RepublicanTrump platform for 2020 is:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you/
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JOBS
  • Create 10 Million New Jobs in 10 Months
  • Create 1 Million New Small Businesses
  • Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America
  • Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
  • "Made in America" Tax Credits
  • Expand Opportunity Zones
  • Continue Deregulatory Agenda for Energy Independence
ERADICATE COVID-19
  • Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020
  • Return to Normal in 2021
  • Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States
  • Refill Stockpiles and Prepare for Future Pandemics
END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA
  • Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
  • Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
  • Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States
  • No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China
  • Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World
HEALTHCARE
  • Cut Prescription Drug Prices
  • Put Patients and Doctors Back in Charge of our Healthcare System
  • Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums
  • End Surprise Billing
  • Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions
  • Protect Social Security and Medicare
  • Protect Our Veterans and Provide World-Class Healthcare and Services
EDUCATION
  • Provide School Choice to Every Child in America
  • Teach American Exceptionalism
DRAIN THE SWAMP
  • Pass Congressional Term Limits
  • End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
  • Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
  • Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens
DEFEND OUR POLICE
  • Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers
  • Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers
  • Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism
  • Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice
  • End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial
END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS
  • Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition
  • Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members
  • Dismantle Human Trafficking Networks
  • End Sanctuary Cities to Restore our Neighborhoods and Protect our Families
  • Prohibit American Companies from Replacing United States Citizens with Lower-Cost Foreign Workers
  • Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially
INNOVATE FOR THE FUTURE
  • Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars
  • Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System
  • Win the Race to 5G and Establish a National High-Speed Wireless Internet Network
  • Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and Cleanest Air
  • Partner with Other Nations to Clean Up our Planet’s Oceans
AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY
  • Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home
  • Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share
  • Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength
  • Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans
  • Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System

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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2020, 11:42:33 AM »
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INNOVATE FOR THE FUTURE
  • Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars
  • Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System
  • Win the Race to 5G and Establish a National High-Speed Wireless Internet Network
  • Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and Cleanest Air
  • Partner with Other Nations to Clean Up our Planet’s Oceans

The Mars mission isn't happening in the next 4 years, at this stage, I'm not certain we'll be sending any manned missions to the Martian surface anytime in the next couple of decades at current rates of advancement. Given the problems that astronauts have after 6 months in space(about the expected one-way duration of an Earth-Mars trip) and returning to earth, there are legitimate questions about the ability of anyone being able to walk on Mars upon arrival, never mind being able to do anything productive.

We'll likely need a conveyance option that allows for them to be in some form of simulated gravity for much of the duration of the trip. Which means either staging an insane amount of fuel for them so they could maintain at least martian levels of gravity through acceleration/deceleration (which would also likely shorten the trip considerably) or they're going to need a craft with some kind of centripetal(centrifugal) force being used to to give them access to that environment. Which also means it's probably a large craft, which brings us back to needing "an insane amount of fuel" to move that much mass around.

That said, I'd really love to see the Republicans start pushing space as their "green alternative" to the Green New Deal the Democrats are pushing. Imagine what could be done if the nation was willing to spend upwards of a trillion dollars over the next 10 years on manned space colonization efforts and the legitimately green options that opens up if we develop the capacity to both harvest and mine asteroids, and then refine those raw materials into finished goods ready for either further use in space, or export back to earth.

Nobody questions the effectiveness of solar power in space. Further, orbital solar power being used in space doesn't require taking a bulldozer to thousands of square miles worth of Planet Earth. Manufacturing happening in orbit, using clean orbital solar power also doesn't emit greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Further, resource obtained from mining asteroids(using more of that clean orbital+ solar power) doesn't disrupt natural habitats or create other environmental pollution problems on Earth's surface. But first, someone has to be willing to likely spend about a Trillion dollars to get the initial orbital infrastructure in place to make those things happen...

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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2020, 04:12:25 PM »
Here's David Frum's take on that policy: The Atlantic: The Platform the GOP Is Too Scared to Publish

It's funny, because it's true.

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2020, 01:24:16 AM »
I'm not sure how funny it is but it is largely true and accurate. And for much of it you can take the opposite as the platform of the Democrats.

1. Raise taxes, big time, even if it ends up meaning less revenue gets taken in. Income and wealth inequality can be fought not just by raising the incomes and wealth of the poor but even more quickly by taking the income and wealth of the rich.

2. I'm not going to fight this one because I think the Democrats are more right than a lot of the Republicans about Covid-19. He's right though. The Republicans are taking it too lightly especially when it comes to masks.

3. We should throw trillions of dollars away on climate change just like our ancestors did with virgins by throwing them into volcanoes. It may not accomplish anything constructive but it'll make us feel better because at least we are doing something. On the other hand on this issue also lean more toward supporting the Democrats. Here's honestly another case like with Covid-19 where the Republicans put money ahead of health and safety and human lives. If it takes billions of dollars to keep mercury out of the fish and keep smog from aggravating the asthma of children then show me the money. Now whether or not we can control the climate and stop climate change by throwing money at it remains to be seen but pollution is something that can be controlled with various technologies like better scrubbers, filters, hazardous waste storage, proper disposal, switching to unleaded gas as we did, and so on.

4. China has the Democrats bought and paid for. Apparently Russia has the Republicans.

5. He's right though. Times have changed. I'm not sure about the details but we do need to look at restructuring our arrangements to save money if nothing else. And one good easy way to save money is to get someone else to pay for stuff that you're paying for now.

6. He's right here too. That does seem to be the Republican position. Pretty mercenary. The Democrats though had their shot and they gave us Obamacare. I'm not sure what the solution is but Obamacare wasn't it. The argument against the Democrats though is that they promise big but don't deliver.

7. The voting system we have is not as secure as it should be and probably could be.  I don't know how much fraud there is but it is obvious that the system is not well designed for detecting, preventing, or exposing it.

8. And the Democrat platform is to pass laws that blatantly discriminate against whites in business, especially white men, and Asians in higher education. Fight fire with fire and fight racism with racism.

9. Well I'm not for making abortion illegal but there isn't anything in the Constitution about a right to "women's sexual privacy."

10. Well we see with cancel culture the dangers of any conservative letting anyone know anything about their political positions. Of course the Democrats would like that information exposed and made public, the people doxxed, so they could go after those who disagree with them politically, get them fired from jobs, keep them from getting jobs, harass them at their homes and in restaurants, and discourage people from donating to Republicans.


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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2020, 03:30:09 AM »
Cherry, I could pick a lot of nits, but in appreciation for your decently open expression of opinion, I will just applaud your honesty.