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Title: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 15, 2022, 01:37:30 PM
I had to make sure it wasn't an Onion article.

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'There's now a shortage of tampons, and that's probably because men are buying tampons,' Greene said during a discussion about the transgender community on the conservative Right Side Broadcasting Network.

'They put tampons in men's bathrooms. So this is the war on women.'

Her claims sparked backlash, with many Twitter users calling her 'clueless'.

One user wrote: 'Crazy Rep. Greene says there is a shortage of Tampons because Trans men are using them. She says they are being put in men's bathrooms.

What?

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'They want to know when you are eating, they want to know if you are eating a cheeseburger - which is very bad because Bill Gates wants you to eat his fake meat that grows in a peach tree dish.'

She continued: 'So you will probably get a little zap inside your body and that is saying 'no, no, don't eat a real cheeseburger, eat the fake burger,' the fake meat from Bill Gates.

peach. tree.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: rightleft22 on June 15, 2022, 01:53:54 PM
Greene for president :(

Enough People looked at this person and thought this is a person I want to represent me, speak for me, that will stand up for my values. I can trust this person she's just like me, no be choice from my tribe is out thier  :'(
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on June 21, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
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President Biden is the "acting" president because he didn't win legally; Texans should vote on seceding; the Voting Rights Act of 1965 should be repealed; any gun control is a rights violation: this is the world as seen by the Republican Party of Texas, according to its newly adopted party platform.

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106229988/texas-gops-new-platform-says-biden-didnt-really-win-it-also-calls-for-secession (https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106229988/texas-gops-new-platform-says-biden-didnt-really-win-it-also-calls-for-secession)

Texan's can't let Georgia have all the fun.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 21, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
Organizers screened the film 2,000 Mules at least three times, according to the convention's program.
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That must have been pricey.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on June 21, 2022, 02:24:03 PM
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"Today, we're going RINO hunting," Greitens, a Republican, said with a smile as he slid the action on his shotgun in the 38-second ad. RINO stands for "Republican in name only."

Greitens and a team of men outfitted in military gear are then shown bursting into a home, guns raised.

"The RINO feeds on corruption and is marked by the stripes of cowardice," said Greitens. "Get a RINO hunting permit. There's no bagging limit, no tagging limit, and it doesn't expire until we save our country."

Missouri doesn't want to be left out.

This guy should be in prison but the GOP want's to send him to the Senate. Google his blackmail kidnapping of his ex mistress. He can join Walker from Georgia. The party of "family values", if the women won't listen tie her up or put a gun to her head. Can't believe the GOP can't find better people to run. Guess most of the good people are too turned off by kissing Trump's ass.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 21, 2022, 03:15:07 PM
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"Today, we're going RINO hunting," Greitens, a Republican, said with a smile as he slid the action on his shotgun in the 38-second ad. RINO stands for "Republican in name only."

Greitens and a team of men outfitted in military gear are then shown bursting into a home, guns raised.

"The RINO feeds on corruption and is marked by the stripes of cowardice," said Greitens. "Get a RINO hunting permit. There's no bagging limit, no tagging limit, and it doesn't expire until we save our country."

Missouri doesn't want to be left out.

This guy should be in prison but the GOP want's to send him to the Senate. Google his blackmail kidnapping of his ex mistress. He can join Walker from Georgia. The party of "family values", if the women won't listen tie her up or put a gun to her head. Can't believe the GOP can't find better people to run. Guess most of the good people are too turned off by kissing Trump's ass.

Maybe those are the good people in the GOP...
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on June 21, 2022, 03:29:56 PM
I guess I am a target now since Wm and his ilk all call me a RINO.I guess it is open season on me.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on June 22, 2022, 08:24:22 PM
I guess I am a target now since Wm and his ilk all call me a RINO.I guess it is open season on me.

No, I doubt anyone will target you. Most who can read you see the false positions and don't take it seriously. If you were real, the Trump metrics would have swayed you a long time ago. Everyday, it seems some Democrat disinformation about Trump is revealed and those useful idiots ignore it because it may negate their old actions.

There are only two things to think about, here. One, is Trump's true popularity amongst voters, and the swelling Black and Latino improvement. The second is that Biden's vote came from hatred of Trump. Hatred which was based on Democrat lies. He's said, "Russia, Russia, Russia," for six years now, and you know he was right. Again.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on June 22, 2022, 09:19:40 PM
I guess I am a target now since Wm and his ilk all call me a RINO.I guess it is open season on me.

No, I doubt anyone will target you. Most who can read you see the false positions and don't take it seriously. If you were real, …


Way to reassure a real person the right isn’t planning violence to get their way.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: jc44 on June 23, 2022, 05:38:02 AM
There are only two things to think about, here. One, is Trump's true popularity amongst voters, and the swelling Black and Latino improvement.
I'm going with the vote, as recorded, being his true popularity - so a bit less than half the population of the US liked him then.
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The second is that Biden's vote came from hatred of Trump.
That is a point that I think I have to give you
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Hatred which was based on Democrat lies.
That one not so much. I'm pretty sure it was based on his behaviour and his words, almost none of which appear to have been designed to create harmony across the population.
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He's said, "Russia, Russia, Russia," for six years now, and you know he was right. Again.
Most of what I heard re. Russia was (paraphrasing in case it isn't obvious) "Putin - he's this smart guy I like him a lot and get on well with him"

In terms of "the enemy" what I heard was "China, China, China" and, if I'm being fair, whilst I'm dubious about his methods I'm not sure he was wrong about the target.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 28, 2022, 01:18:24 PM
Yesli Vega, a Republican nominee for Congress in Virginia:

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In the audio, an unidentified source asks Vega if she’d heard that women who are sexually assaulted are less likely to become pregnant because their body “shuts down” in some way. Vega responded “maybe” because “there’s so much going on in the body.”

“I don’t know,” she continued. “I haven’t, you know, seen any studies. But if I’m processing what you’re saying, it wouldn’t surprise me. Because it’s not something that’s happening organically. You’re forcing it. The individual, the male, is doing it as quickly … and so I can see why there is truth to that. It’s unfortunate.”
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on June 28, 2022, 02:36:40 PM
To be fair probably 99.99% of people would not be able to answer that question with factual information off the top of their head. Even I can't be sure whether it's possible or not!
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on June 28, 2022, 02:44:43 PM
You don't know for sure whether women who're raped can get pregnant from that rape?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on June 28, 2022, 03:02:55 PM
You don't know for sure whether women who're raped can get pregnant from that rape?

I don't know for sure if extreme stress alters the % chance a pregnancy can occur, no. Wasn't that the question?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Wayward Son on June 28, 2022, 03:20:48 PM
You don't know for sure whether women who're raped can get pregnant from that rape?

I don't know for sure if extreme stress alters the % chance a pregnancy can occur, no. Wasn't that the question?

Not from what I read in that small snippet.

"Shuts down" mean total closure.  A factory that "shuts down" has no workers nor output.  A person who "shuts down" is unresponsive.  That is how I understand the phrase.

Tom is right.  The statement she was agreed with was that a raped woman could not get pregnant.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on June 28, 2022, 03:31:59 PM
Tom is right.  The statement she was agreed with was that a raped woman could not get pregnant.

Sigh.

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In the audio, an unidentified source asks Vega if she’d heard that women who are sexually assaulted are less likely to become pregnant because their body “shuts down” in some way. Vega responded “maybe” because “there’s so much going on in the body.”
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on June 28, 2022, 03:56:20 PM
PS - I'm not saying this person is the brightest bulb in the LED pack. Their second statement in the blurb is much dumber than the first, regarding the male "forcing it" and doing it "as quickly". I'm just saying she does not state that pregnancy can't happen during rape. Let's keep our criticisms accurate.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 28, 2022, 04:33:58 PM
Well, we went over this when Akin made the same brain-dead comment. Every politician should be getting a primer on how not to sound like a lunatic. If she doesn't know, the answer should be "I'm not aware of any evidence that would be the case."

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How frequently do raped women get pregnant? It would seem from Akin’s comment that this is a very rare occurrence. However, current evidence suggests it is the same as the pregnancy rate for a single act of intercourse. Ergo, pregnancy from rape occurs as frequently as pregnancy from consensual sex.

This is thrown around so often because anti-abortionists want desperately to believe this, because rape victims are more sympathetic than promiscuous harlots. And because even they can't deny the horror of knowing their rapists fetus is growing inside of them, reminding them constantly of what happened to them.

Note that she actually admits that she's never seen any evidence, and goes on to say "It wouldn't surprise me." Then she goes on to describe "a truth to that". This isn't the same as your hypothesis, Fenring, that maybe emotional trauma affects implantation - because it sure as hell didn't affect ovulation or conception. Nor would it it make any difference if pregnancies were less likely by 50%, it doesn't change any of the policy.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on June 28, 2022, 04:38:02 PM
This isn't the same as your hypothesis, Fenring, that maybe emotional trauma affects implantation - because it sure as hell didn't affect ovulation or conception. Nor would it it make any difference if pregnancies were less likely by 50%, it doesn't change any of the policy.

I don't have a hypothesis! I literally said I didn't know if it was possible. What I said was that the quote was being misread. I didn't say the quote looked liked promising biological research.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 28, 2022, 05:23:05 PM
It is true that she didn't assert that this was the case, but a rational person will dismiss the line of enquiry for lack of evidence.

It is like saying, maybe when people get raped, they develop telekinetic powers! Or maybe when people get raped, they become better able to learn a second language. It is nonsensical. I have no problem stating with a preponderance of evidence that it is nonsensical. It's like looking at a blurry photograph and saying "could be aliens".

She further makes this claim:

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"The left will say, 'Well what about in cases of rape or incest?' I'm a law enforcement officer. I became a police officer in 2011. I've worked one case where as a result of a rape, the young woman became pregnant," she said in audio obtained by Axios.

I stand by my nomination of her as nutbag of the week. Lots of things are possible but not plausible. This lands in that category. Or perhaps you aren't aware of how many slaves gave birth to their master's kid.

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Nearly 3 million women in the United States have experienced rape-related pregnancy during their lifetime, according to the CDC.

After being made aware of all of this information, Vega still has yet to backpedal on her nutbaggery. When asked for comment:

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Asked for comment on her remarks, which have not previously been reported, Vega told Axios in a statement, "I'm a mother of two, I'm fully aware of how women get pregnant."
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 29, 2022, 08:57:53 PM
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“When we normalize people fornicating, and we normalize people living together with their boyfriends and girlfriends and all that stuff, we open a door for us to get to the point where we have people who want to normalize pedophilia,” Karamo said.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 30, 2022, 11:01:41 AM
It is really hard to keep up with all the nutbaggery.

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Speaking at a religious service Sunday in Colorado, she told worshipers: “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”

She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.

Boebert. Republican embarassment number 329.

Your rebuttal, Mr. Madison, on behalf of the founding fathers?

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Nothwithstanding the general progress made within the two last centuries in favour of this branch of liberty, & the full establishment of it, in some parts of our Country, there remains in others a strong bias towards the old error, that without some sort of alliance or coalition between Gov' & Religion neither can be duly supported: Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst.. And in a Gov' of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance.

A PERFECT separation.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on June 30, 2022, 11:06:32 AM
But he was played by a black man in Hamilton, so how can you listen to what he says?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on June 30, 2022, 02:14:43 PM
200 year old fake news, I'm sure.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Ouija Nightmare on July 01, 2022, 12:31:17 PM
It is really hard to keep up with all the nutbaggery.

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Speaking at a religious service Sunday in Colorado, she told worshipers: “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”

She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.

Boebert. Republican embarassment number 329.

Your rebuttal, Mr. Madison, on behalf of the founding fathers?

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Nothwithstanding the general progress made within the two last centuries in favour of this branch of liberty, & the full establishment of it, in some parts of our Country, there remains in others a strong bias towards the old error, that without some sort of alliance or coalition between Gov' & Religion neither can be duly supported: Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst.. And in a Gov' of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance.

A PERFECT separation.

That quote points out something the religious folks salivating for the changes have been oblivious to.

The danger cuts both ways.

When the pendulum swings,and it will, there will be no protecting your religious institutions from the counter swing because the barriers to do so will have been removed by your own hand.

 These cycles are long and I’m not sure I will live to see it but it will come to pass.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on July 01, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
...[Based on Democrat lies...] I'm pretty sure it was based on his behavior and his words, almost none of which appear to have been designed to create harmony across the population.

As previously stated, Trump is portrayed as abusive and aggressive with poor behavior -  the useful idiots believe that. Since they are protesting against a strawman, there is no strawman to contest them. It's like the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" No answer works. What works is the metrics. According to what he accomplished, he is genuinely the best President we've ever had. When you add that he was constantly being obstructed by Democrat liars and disinformationists, his accomplishments are far beyond just his metrics. Based on reactions in this forum by Dem apologists, none of them could have remained as open and polite as Trump has. They lambast him for existing in their windstorm. When he prospers and excels, they get angry and more abusive.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on July 01, 2022, 01:05:06 PM
He is abusive and aggressive. Just ask any number of his former employees, aides, and people who did business with him. Or just watch his TV show. Or read his twitter feed, whatever is left of it.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on July 01, 2022, 01:07:19 PM
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According to what he accomplished, he is genuinely the best President we've ever had.
William, please stop being delusional.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on July 01, 2022, 01:47:05 PM
He is abusive and aggressive. Just ask any number of his former employees, aides, and people who did business with him. Or just watch his TV show. Or read his twitter feed, whatever is left of it.

You mean like Cassidy Hutchinson? The people she worked with advised Trump not to include her in any ongoing plans for their future team because she was not to be trusted. If she shoes up hosting a show on CNN or MSNBC, then you have your answer.

...And, as always, Reacting to someone else's abusive actions or remarks is a defensive action - not the cause of the conflict. Maybe if Mitt Romney had not flinched for having binders of women he would have won his election.

BTW: why not take it to Biden, and ask any number of his former employees, aides, and people who did business with him (and family members) to explain the Biden Crime Family and their ill-gotten gains?

I'm waiting for a complicit MSM questioner to ask about his inappropriate showers. Or his lies about Hunter.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on July 01, 2022, 02:00:44 PM
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According to what he accomplished, he is genuinely the best President we've ever had.
William, please stop being delusional.

It is delusional to avoid responding to the Biden Crime Family. It is not delusional to ask about them.

You said Trump was delusional because he was Putin's man, bought and paid for and wouldn't admit it. Now you know Russia! Russia! Russia! was bought and paid for by Hillary. You know The complicit swamp monsters lied through their teeth with felonious acts for years. They fear they will be asked to answer for their malfeasance and treasonous actions, so invented an unselect committee to cook up anything they can get their co-conspirators in the DOJ to use against Trump to block another Presidential run. You know that. It is not delusional.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on July 01, 2022, 02:17:50 PM
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You said Trump was delusional because he was Putin's man, bought and paid for and wouldn't admit it.
I would like very much for you to cite evidence for that.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on July 01, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
William, William, William. There you go again launching into irrelevant attacks on other people. The point is whether Trump is abusive. Any abuser will say they were "just reacting". I wouldn't hit you if you didn't keep making me so mad! I know that to you he is as infallible as the pope and "we all know it".

John McCain totally deserved being called a loser who got captured by the enemy and was not a hero. I mean anybody that expresses an opinion not consistent with the perfect opinions of Donald Trump deserves the basest of all insults.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on July 01, 2022, 06:00:32 PM
How about Mo Brooks?  He was an ardent Trump supporter until he said they should move past the 2020 election. And them Trump threw him under the bus.

Trump views any opinion of him other than his being perfect as a personal insult and then attacks.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Wayward Son on July 11, 2022, 07:51:34 PM
Georgia U.S. Senate candidate Herschel Walker boldly steps up to be this week's leading contender. (https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1546476045112676352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1546476045112676352%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fpolitics-news%2Fherschel-walker-green-new-deal-climate-change-1381095%2F)

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The Green New Deal, you know climate change. I’m going to help you with that real quickly… We, in America, have some of the cleanest air and cleanest water of anywhere in the world. So what we do is, we gonna put, from the Green New Deal, millions and billions of dollars cleaning our good air up. ...  Since we don’t control the air, our good air decided to float over to China’s bad air. So when China gets our good air, their bad air got to move. So it moves over to our good air space. Then now we got we to clean that back up.

Where do they find these ignoramuses?  ;D
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on July 11, 2022, 07:53:41 PM
Actually even if that quote was entirely fictional I'd give it good marks for prose styling.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on July 11, 2022, 10:51:36 PM
Is he suggesting sentient air?

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Yet these developments have mattered little to Republican officials and strategists, several of whom said in interviews that their support for Mr. Walker has not wavered.

They said he continues to have the backing of top Republican leaders in the state at a time when Democrats are bracing for bruising losses in the November midterms. Even those in the G.O.P. who are quietly wary of Mr. Walker’s tumultuous past and his lack of political experience say they are looking past all that and focusing instead on flipping a Democratic seat in the Senate.

The Republican Party has stood by numerous elected officials and candidates plagued by scandals, often choosing to break with them only when their chances of winning a race are jeopardized. For Mr. Walker — who comes with hefty investments from top conservative groups, Donald J. Trump’s blessing and a base enamored by his football stardom at the University of Georgia in the 1980s — that break has yet to materialize.

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In the race for the U.S. Senate in Georgia, Democratic incumbent Raphael Warnock leads 54 - 44 percent over Republican challenger Herschel Walker, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University poll of Georgia registered voters released today.

In Quinnipiac's January 2022 poll, the race was very tight with 49 percent of voters supporting Walker and 48 percent supporting Warnock.

Maybe there is some kind of line, even for Georgia Republican voters.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Mynnion on July 24, 2022, 07:05:20 PM
Matt Gaetz stoops to an all time low.  You can't make this stuff up.

"Have you watched these pro-abortion, pro-murder rallies?" the Florida congressman asked the teenagers gathered at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida.

"The people are just disgusting. Why is it that the women with the least likelihood of getting pregnant are the ones most worried about having abortions? Nobody wants to impregnate you if you look like a thumb," Gaetz commented.

https://www.newsweek.com/sex-trafficking-probe-mentioned-after-matt-gaetz-makes-odious-women-jibe-1727430
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on July 25, 2022, 08:26:37 AM
At the same meeting MTG said the Republicans need to become Christian Nationalist.  My God, does she hear herself? What have these people done to my party? I weep.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on August 04, 2022, 12:29:22 PM
MTG wins this more than Ken Jennings wins Jeopardy.

Her latest is that it is no big deal killing the head of Al-Qaeda and that Biden only did it to help midterms. Implying, I guess, that he'd been holding back til now?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on August 04, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
Josh Hawley might be in the running. As the only Senator to vote against agreeing to allow Sweden and Finland into NATO (with Rand Paul basically abstaining).  His reasoning.  China is a larger threat.   While who is the larger threat is arguable, there is no denying that China is a large threat.  So wouldn't it make sense that an action that would increase the ability of others to oppose Russia (say NATO) would allow the US to focus more energy on opposing China?

These 2 countries are well positioned to help NATO. They are close neighbors of Russia and I think Finland (it might be Sweden) already spends the required 2%+ of GDP on defense costs. Add in the fact that they are well experienced in fighting in cold climates means that they are perfectly placed for another front if direct war happens.  How anyone other than a Harvard educated GOP MAGA idiot can see this as anything other than a win is beyond me.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on August 04, 2022, 01:01:21 PM
Josh Hawley might be in the running. As the only Senator to vote against agreeing to allow Sweden and Finland into NATO (with Rand Paul basically abstaining).  His reasoning.  China is a larger threat.   While who is the larger threat is arguable, there is no denying that China is a large threat.  So wouldn't it make sense that an action that would increase the ability of others to oppose Russia (say NATO) would allow the US to focus more energy on opposing China?

These 2 countries are well positioned to help NATO. They are close neighbors of Russia and I think Finland (it might be Sweden) already spends the required 2%+ of GDP on defense costs. Add in the fact that they are well experienced in fighting in cold climates means that they are perfectly placed for another front if direct war happens.  How anyone other than a Harvard educated GOP MAGA idiot can see this as anything other than a win is beyond me.

Josh Hawley is always in the running. Finland has a land border with Russia that creates whole new headaches for the Russian armed forces in a conflict with NATO. Smaller populations and armed forces, but well funded and trained. Great additions to NATO. I'm not a military tactician but the addition front for Russia in the North close to St Petersburg and not much farther from Moscow means in a direct conflict with NATO nukes are the only Russian defense.

Hawley is right China is a threat. Too bad the Republicans and Trump torpedoed our trade agreement designed to help isolate China from their neighbors.

Hawley probably only opposes the expansion because its a "win" for Biden.

Hawley follows the modern Republican priority list:
1) Trump
2) the Republican party
3) rich people
4) corporations
5) America
6) the general public
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 04, 2022, 02:21:47 PM
Josh Hawley explainned his no-vote: "Our foreign policy should be about protecting the United States, our freedom, our people, and our way of life, and expanding NATO, I believe, would not do that,"said Senator Hawley. "What I am arguing for is the return to a classic nationalist approach to foreign policy [...] grounded in our nation's interests and in the reality of the world as it is, not as we wish it was."

He is very honest with his issues, following the Trump America First agenda. I also disagree with his not supporting a broadened NATO, but he did not do that because of China. That is a separate issue. His history shows he always supports ends that are good for the USA, not getting us embroiled in endless wars that are not our concerns. He may disagree with me on NATO, but he is one of the few honest politicians.

He is far from being a nutbag. Argue with his concerns - not just insult.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Wayward Son on August 04, 2022, 03:49:30 PM
It would be far more convincing if Hawley were dealing with the world as it is, and not as he wishes it was.  ;D

Alliances work, especially NATO.  Isolationism doesn't, not in a world where international trade (esp. oil) is a necessity for every country, including ours.  The fact that he can't see that shows he is living in a fantasy world.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 05, 2022, 08:37:48 PM
It would be far more convincing if Hawley were dealing with the world as it is, and not as he wishes it was.  ;D

Alliances work, especially NATO.  Isolationism doesn't, not in a world where international trade (esp. oil) is a necessity for every country, including ours.  The fact that he can't see that shows he is living in a fantasy world.

On the contrary. Hawley, like Trump, is not an isolationist - but they both fought against power-mongering without benefit for our country. They strove to stop terrorism and then separate from babysitting every country run by despots, Evidently, the Dem agreed, because they took this concept of disengaging from Afghanistan to a whole new level that resurrected the Taliban, and wrought havoc. The reason for doing so was straight from the Trump playbook - but without his competency.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 05, 2022, 09:59:51 PM
It wasn't just FROM the Trump playbook. It was actually Trump's doing.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: cherrypoptart on August 06, 2022, 12:24:15 PM
For this week I'm nominating Dick Cheney.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/05/dick-cheney-trump-liz-cheney-threat-republic

Dick Cheney attacks Donald Trump as ‘greatest threat to our republic’

Trump may have his flaws but he's hardly the greatest threat to our republic.

Biden's incompetence is a much greater threat to our republic. The open borders, the rampant inflation, losing Afghanistan to the Taliban which is now supporting al-Qaeda to nullify over twenty years worth of sacrifice trying to destroy the group that hit us on 9-11 not to mention setting back to the stone age both human rights and women's rights over there.

What will be funny though is if Democrats now come out in support of Dick Cheney the way they have for George Bush despite how much they hate them both just because the enemy of my enemy is my friend and Trump is the common enemy of all of these swamp creatures and Dick Cheney is their great grandfather.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: NobleHunter on August 06, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
Inflation, al-Qaeda, and immigration are hardly existential threats to the republic, even if one accepts that Biden is the cause of inflation and the loss in Afghanistan, and that his immigration policy are "open borders."

Trump's the reason you lot are staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis over conflicting slates of electors with a Supreme Court who's legitimacy is already questionable. One of the outcomes of this crisis is that the President is no longer elected but instead appointed by the states. That seems a lot worse to me than almost any failed foreign, economic, or immigration policy.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 06, 2022, 01:42:49 PM
It wasn't just FROM the Trump playbook. It was actually Trump's doing.

Don't be ridiculous. Lying never serves anyone's purpose. You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can. Trump has already specified how if he had been in charge, the Taliban would not have been allowed back into governance, nor the deaths, nor a billion dollars of military materiel allowed to fall into their hands. None of the stupid things Biden did can be laid at Trump's feet. If he put Trump's successes back into place, we would get out of the recession PDQ.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 06, 2022, 01:52:53 PM
Inflation, al-Qaeda, and immigration are hardly existential threats to the republic, even if one accepts that Biden is the cause of inflation and the loss in Afghanistan, and that his immigration policy are "open borders."

Trump's the reason you lot are staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis over conflicting slates of electors with a Supreme Court who's legitimacy is already questionable. One of the outcomes of this crisis is that the President is no longer elected but instead appointed by the states. That seems a lot worse to me than almost any failed foreign, economic, or immigration policy.

All those things you try to dismiss are threats you can directly lay at Biden's feet. The Constitutional crises you should also lay at the Dems' feet. They did steal the election and Trump allowed their scamming to stand to not bring about a civil war. Many people think he should have resisted their cheating - but more of us believe once he gets back into power in 2024, he will be properly empowered and motivated to cleanse the corruption. The only crisis is the Dems' fearing their total erasure forever more of any chance of regaining power. With their power players in prison their scamming will become irrelevant. SCOTUS legitimacy is not questionable. Acting like it is, is. The election process will be strengthened under Trump unless the Dems can destroy it before the Red Wave guts them.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 06, 2022, 10:01:30 PM
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You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can.
Gotta tell you, man, I sincerely wish that were true, or that Biden and I shared the same definition of "can" in this case.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Mynnion on August 07, 2022, 08:11:16 AM
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 07, 2022, 03:55:35 PM
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You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can.
Gotta tell you, man, I sincerely wish that were true, or that Biden and I shared the same definition of "can" in this case.

Seriously examined your post trying to figure out what you mean. You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play. You can't close your eyes to the things Biden did out of spite. One of Biden's first 17 Executive Orders was to stop the Border Wall construction which was close to finishing. When he did this he had to spend at least $3 million a day on contractors “to watch steel rust in the desert,” Adding regulations that Trump had ended is why no one can produce new oil supplies. He quashed Trump's project to cut the price of insulin. What did he keep?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 07, 2022, 04:21:59 PM
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook. His self-expressed number one issue is Climate Change. So what are you talking about?

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 07, 2022, 05:40:40 PM
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You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play.
I absolutely do mean that. Biden hasn't done nearly enough to reverse the damage Trump has done to our institutions. While he's canceled some of the more egregious boondoggles and ended a couple of the worst EOs, it'll take another three administrations moving at his current pace to correct for the crap Trump put into place.

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I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook.
That perception would not, I suspect, match the assessment of either Bernie Sanders or AOC. :)
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 07, 2022, 11:03:37 PM
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I absolutely do mean that. Biden hasn't done nearly enough to reverse the damage Trump has done to our institutions. While he's canceled some of the more egregious boondoggles and ended a couple of the worst EOs, it'll take another three administrations moving at his current pace to correct for the crap Trump put into place.

What are you talking about? The Keystone Pipeline was shut down before Biden could figure out which end of the pen to use to sign his executive orders. He sent out instructions to all his minions to search for Trump actions to be stopped. It was easily argued at first that Trump's actions were wrong and needed to be challenged; however, once his minions put on the brakes, reality set in and Biden's actions were seen to have caused monumental problems.

Look, he is the most vilified President with the lowest ratings of all time. That didn't happen out of the blue. We had energy dominance, with more clean production than OPEC. Now, we're begging Venezuela and the Saudi's for the world's dirtiest oil. Nothing was done to clean up our environment, because our oil was the cleanest on Earth, and now what we are forced to use to replace it is the dirtiest. Logic is missing, yet you are not commenting on that, just claiming Biden did not do enough.

Just because Wray won't admit the Humter laptop nailed the Biden Crime Family doesn't mean we don't know how corrupt they have been. He can't hide behind "we are investigating, so we can't comment." No one did that when all the illegal disinformation was leaked to empower all the "investigations" against Trump.

The world is anticipating fixing the corruption inside Justice. Maybe we can start at the Midterms. Maybe it will happen in 2024. We are waiting, and none of it is because Trump did anything wrong. The corruption is with Dems and their complicit useful idiots.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 07, 2022, 11:06:44 PM
It is a real shame I never got to know you when you were sane.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 07, 2022, 11:15:01 PM
It is a real shame I never got to know you when you were sane.

Still no valid response, just more of the debate fallacy of "Laughter by Intimidation", which as I already explained to you denigrates you - not the debater you are insulting. Afraid to admit that Biden is "The Big Guy" as Bobulinsky already testified? Face it. He's dirty and Trump is clean You are on the wrong side, and you will look back on this time in your life with regret. You have the opportunity to get it right, now. You choose the dark side. That's on you - not on me or anyone else.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 07, 2022, 11:21:20 PM
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on August 08, 2022, 10:31:31 AM
Have to agree with Tom.  Biden may claim to be a Democrat and some of his policies have been but most are Right leaning moderate.

I see him rubber-stamping everything from the Bernie Sanders/AOC playbook. His self-expressed number one issue is Climate Change. So what are you talking about?

I've yet to see any serious push for universal health care, universal basic income, or reparations. First two are out of Bernie's playbook, the reparations and far left racial justice issues are from the AOC playbook. The balance of power of the democratic party in DC is held by the moderates. Clean energy and efficiency investments, letting Medicare negotiate drug prices, taxing hedge fund managers, are all things they advocate for but are policies that generally have 70+% approval in the general public.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on August 08, 2022, 11:00:25 AM
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.

wm. I tend to agree with this assessment of your mental state to engage in sincere dialogue. You repeatedly post the same unverified or false claims. When asked for why you believe that you point to some rando right wing blogger or internet troll who has no credibility or you don't respond at all, claiming that google or tech companies somehow deleted all records and evidence. That isn't dialogue, that's you claiming crazy crap repeatedly with little to no justification.

2000 mules for example. Nothing in that film has been verified indecently. No one has gone to jail because of the film. No mules have been identified because of that film. The one name you gave me was arrested 18 months before the film was published (for ballot harvesting during a primary). The film was made by someone convicted of campaign finance fraud. The man has a fraud conviction! And you believe him unquestionably, not even Fox will touch his claims because they are already getting their asses sued off for defamation. He hides all the "great evidence" that shows the election was stolen behind a pay wall. Have some discretion in what you are willing to believe. He isn't putting out a public service by uncovering evidence. He put together a film to further fleece the Trump base.

You search around for "evidence" but just end up reading opinion pieces that serve as confirmation bias. Your "best historian" works weren't about uncovering new historical facts or details but all consisted of just telling the facts with a "free market is the ultimate good" narrative. That isn't great historical writing. It can be interesting to debate the causes for the beginning and ending of the great depression. But that is economics, not history.

I have no idea where you find the crazies you believe on climate science. They all seem to be either opinion writers or in the employ of oil companies. You have claimed repeatedly we're due for cooling. I've been asking you for the last few years over multiple threads: What models predict cooling? When should the cooling start? How have those climate models performed since their creation?

All that said, I'll repeat this again. I'm glad you are here. I think this forum may be the last place you are exposed to ideas and facts outside your confirmation bubble. But until you can allow your brain to process and respond to information outside of that bubble don't be surprised if people tire of taking you on point by point when you just jump to the next crazy idea or just repeat the same thing that has been shown to be false or at best completely unverified a week later.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on August 08, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
William, please understand that a "valid response" isn't something anyone can do to your posts. Almost everything you say is wrong in either the particulars or the circumstances, and it's not remotely productive for someone to spend the time rebutting every third word you utter. People have tried before to reach you, either by pointing out the multiple, repeated factual errors that your regularly make or the contorted moral hypocrisies you've forced yourself to accept, and it bounces off; I am not under the impression that I'm going to reach you by engaging you with evidence that, for example, Trump is plenty "dirty."

But neither am I laughing at you. Sometimes your posts are amusing, but for the most part I find you a very tragic figure.

wm. I tend to agree with this assessment of your mental state to engage in sincere dialogue. You repeatedly post the same unverified or false claims. When asked for why you believe that you point to some rando right wing blogger or internet troll who has no credibility or you don't respond at all, claiming that google or tech companies somehow deleted all records and evidence. That isn't dialogue, that's you claiming crazy crap repeatedly with little to no justification.

2000 mules for example. Nothing in that film has been verified indecently. No one has gone to jail because of the film. No mules have been identified because of that film. The one name you gave me was arrested 18 months before the film was published (for ballot harvesting during a primary). The film was made by someone convicted of campaign finance fraud. The man has a fraud conviction! And you believe him unquestionably, not even Fox will touch his claims because they are already getting their asses sued off for defamation. He hides all the "great evidence" that shows the election was stolen behind a pay wall. Have some discretion in what you are willing to believe. He isn't putting out a public service by uncovering evidence. He put together a film to further fleece the Trump base.

You search around for "evidence" but just end up reading opinion pieces that serve as confirmation bias. Your "best historian" works weren't about uncovering new historical facts or details but all consisted of just telling the facts with a "free market is the ultimate good" narrative. That isn't great historical writing. It can be interesting to debate the causes for the beginning and ending of the great depression. But that is economics, not history.

I have no idea where you find the crazies you believe on climate science. They all seem to be either opinion writers or in the employ of oil companies. You have claimed repeatedly we're due for cooling. I've been asking you for the last few years over multiple threads: What models predict cooling? When should the cooling start? How have those climate models performed since their creation?

All that said, I'll repeat this again. I'm glad you are here. I think this forum may be the last place you are exposed to ideas and facts outside your confirmation bubble. But until you can allow your brain to process and respond to information outside of that bubble don't be surprised if people tire of taking you on point by point when you just jump to the next crazy idea or just repeat the same thing that has been shown to be false or at best completely unverified a week later.

Thank you Yossarian for at least posting honorably. I see too much from posters doing exactly what they blame me for doing to take them at face value.

BTW: I don't post only from opinionated sites. I read all the news sources, and usually end up in places you call spotty, because the MSM seems to edit and not show all the news. Even video clips are truncated and only shows a portion of the video. If I cite a news source you don't like, ask yourself why the news sources you prefer didn't show all the truth and only sugar-coated it for you. If that is all the news you are getting, then that is too bad.

I have posted over and over again that the often cited judicial reviews of vote-scamming declared to be refuted were often never looked at. I am sick at seeing obviously intelligent people throwing that back as definitive. No matter the rejoinder to them, they refuse to actually look at the eyewitness affidavits. There was vote-scamming. You all agree to that, You just seem to think it was not enough to be commented upon. To any purist, one hint of it is more than enough to look for redress. One scammed vote is enough to invalidate your own individual ballot.

After the voting, numerous mathematicians evaluated the voting numbers and concluded that Trump made inroads in every group that voted against him in 2016, and no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number. The numbers he generated were beyond anything anyone had expected, breaking all the records. Up until the bogus ballots started coming in after acceptance times, he was so far ahead that none of them thought there could be a new trend established. Evidently, hundreds of thousands of single vote ballots were marked for Biden without any Trump votes mixed in. Yet the Biden apologists here say to move along, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: NobleHunter on August 08, 2022, 01:31:51 PM
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no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number.

You know that this is not a statement mathematicians can make, right?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on August 08, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
I'm also interested in learning a couple names of the "numerous mathematicians" referenced. You aren't thinking of Ed Solomon, are you?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on August 08, 2022, 01:51:03 PM
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I have posted over and over again that the often cited judicial reviews of vote-scamming declared to be refuted were often never looked at. I am sick at seeing obviously intelligent people throwing that back as definitive. No matter the rejoinder to them, they refuse to actually look at the eyewitness affidavits. There was vote-scamming. You all agree to that, You just seem to think it was not enough to be commented upon. To any purist, one hint of it is more than enough to look for redress. One scammed vote is enough to invalidate your own individual ballot.

Of course there was some vote scamming. We've caught a number of Republicans double voting and vote harvesting. There was one Democrat who harvested votes in the Arizona primary. There probably are a few other small time (dozens of votes) frauds or malfeasances. There is zero evidence (2000 mules isn't evidence of anything) for any fraud that constitutes hundreds of thousands of votes across multiple states. Quit making the argument that if there are inaccuracies that amount to 0.001% of the vote and no one makes a fuss that means we don't care about election integrity. It just means that you are making mountains out of mole hills.

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After the voting, numerous mathematicians evaluated the voting numbers and concluded that Trump made inroads in every group that voted against him in 2016, and no one that voted for him then changed their minds, in any number. The numbers he generated were beyond anything anyone had expected, breaking all the records. Up until the bogus ballots started coming in after acceptance times, he was so far ahead that none of them thought there could be a new trend established. Evidently, hundreds of thousands of single vote ballots were marked for Biden without any Trump votes mixed in. Yet the Biden apologists here say to move along, nothing to see here.

So much is wrong with this. So, so, much. Did you listen to Bannon brag to a group of Trump supporters that he would be ahead on election night because of the order that votes would be counted (in person before mail in) would favor Trump in a number of key states? There was one mathematician who did a piss poor analysis and wrote something up that got shredded by anyone who knows anything about mathematics. If you want to dig it up I can explain to you why it is complete crap or point to other mathematicians who pointed out how much it was crap. Trump upped his vote of black voters from 6% to 8%, but he lost the suburbs and he pissed off over half the country so turn out was huge. So yes, he got more votes than he got the first time, but he drove more people out to vote against him as well. This isn't some mystery.

People have looked at double voting. Here's a story about real Mathematicians/scientists looking at double voting.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/630/things-i-mean-to-know/act-one-1 (https://www.thisamericanlife.org/630/things-i-mean-to-know/act-one-1)

And the conclusion is its a very small problem. From 2016.

And he's the media looking in depth at several of the biggest claims from the 2020 election.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/724/transcript (https://www.thisamericanlife.org/724/transcript)

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on August 08, 2022, 07:30:38 PM
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You know Biden's one page playbook says to delete every Trump policy he can.
Gotta tell you, man, I sincerely wish that were true, or that Biden and I shared the same definition of "can" in this case.

Seriously examined your post trying to figure out what you mean. You can't mean you disagree that Biden has moved against everything that Trump put in play. You can't close your eyes to the things Biden did out of spite. One of Biden's first 17 Executive Orders was to stop the Border Wall construction which was close to finishing. When he did this he had to spend at least $3 million a day on contractors “to watch steel rust in the desert,” Adding regulations that Trump had ended is why no one can produce new oil supplies. He quashed Trump's project to cut the price of insulin. What did he keep?

Here’s something Biden should have reversed but didn’t.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium (https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium)

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The Chinese company didn't steal this technology. It was given to them — by the U.S. Department of Energy. First in 2017, as part of a sublicense, and later, in 2021, as part of a license transfer. An investigation by NPR and the Northwest News Network found the federal agency allowed the technology and jobs to move overseas, violating its own licensing rules while failing to intervene on behalf of U.S. workers in multiple instances.

So, no Biden isn’t going fast enough fixing Trump’s mistakes.

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: cherrypoptart on August 09, 2022, 03:49:49 AM
I saw that story and wasn't impressed with the spin which seemed misleading. Nothing was given to China. We just licensed the technology. But we still own it. And apparently there weren't enough American companies willing to take advantage of it. Also, I didn't see anything about exclusivity in the story meaning that if American companies wanted to also license that technology and make use of it that should be fine.

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"How is it that the national lab did not require U.S. manufacturing?" Skievaski asked. "Not only is it a violation of the license, it's a violation to our country."

Now that the Department of Energy has revoked the license, Skievaski said she hopes Forever Energy will be able to acquire it or obtain a similar license.

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So apparently we can revoke the license and give or sell it to someone else. This battery technology goes hand in glove or hand in hand or something with renewable energy to help fight pollution and conserve fossil fuels (I'm not so much into man-made global warming but there's that too if that's your thing). To me that's up there with such a benefit to mankind, for instance along the lines of the Covid vaccines, that hoarding and hogging the technology is going to hurt us more than it helps. As long as it's not an exclusive license given to the Chinese, more good will come out of them making these batteries than harm. And we should be making them too if now we're willing and able since the Chinese have already proven its value when according to the story American funding sources weren't ready to make the long term commitment necessary to get the ball rolling.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: DJQuag on August 14, 2022, 07:10:04 PM
Rand Paul believes the Espionage Act has always been bad and should be abolished. Funnily enough, he's started saying this out loud in the last two days.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on September 13, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
Has it really been a month since the last nutbag post? It's not for lack of options. Here's a great one, Bolduc is running for Senate in NH.

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The General has also been a vocal anti-vaxxer suspicious of Bill Gates’ plan to implant people with tracking microchips. He was specifically concerned that Gates and the government were planning a vaccine registry, which he heroically vowed to conscientiously object to. According to The General, the only chip going inside him would be a woke globalist corporate product famous for its all natural ingredients—the “Dorito.” Bolduc’s microchip worries earned him a rebuke from a group of New Hampshire doctors who warned that his rhetoric could result in fewer people taking a life-saving vaccine. The General refused to bow to those elitist cucks with their “science” and epidemiology and doctorates of medicine. Because while most Granite Staters emphasize the “Live Free” portion of the state’s motto, Bolduc demands that respect be paid to the “Or Die” bit.

Unlike some of his anti-vax co-conspirators, Bolduc did not believe that COVID was fake news. On Twitter he shared the view that it had been purposefully created by China to “kill” Americans and destabilize the West. This is the tension of the Alex Jones Proposition: If COVID is a Chinese bioweapon, then why shouldn’t Americans get vaccinated to protect themselves from it?

Best not to think about that too hard.

The General has other concerns: That his nemesis Bill Gates and George Soros also funded the “militant wing” of Black Lives Matter, which he deems a domestic terrorist organization. By contrast Bolduc is of the opinion that Confederate statues should be preserved in America because they are “a symbol of hope, a symbol of inspiration, a symbol of moving forward.” This is a strange position for a New Hampshire Yankee, but his gray shirt fans seem to concur!

Being such a learned individual, you won’t be surprised that Bolduc also has strong views about what our children are being taught in schools. At an event in Londonderry he argued that even private schools should be subject to government bans on the discussion of “sexuality.”.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on September 13, 2022, 05:56:15 PM
I actually sympathize with the concern about planting tracking devices in Americans. This is not only a believable thing to happen, but it's consistent with actions practically on that level that have been going on for 20 years, including 'illegal' NSA mass data collection, planting backdoor access in devices going back quite a ways, even to the point of the backdoors involving physical mechanisms in PC components and not being limited to software backdoors. This is not a new thing. Any method of tracking people, their habits, and monetizing it, you bet someone's trying to do it. And I don't personally buy the billionaire 'just trying to help people' routine. Although Gates being part of the Giving Pledge does somewhat soften my suspicion about him, but not eliminate it. Some people are fully able to take high-handed controlling actions over others "for their own good", and yet not directly mean harm. They're just victims of a God complex that comes with having too much power.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Wayward Son on September 13, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
Those things are all true, Fenring, and are things we should all look out for.

But when you are talking about imaginary technology, and when it keeps people from doing something for their health and the health of society in general, you've gone into nutbag territory. When you realize that these politicians are making things up to scare people, which results in harm to those people and others, there is no need to sympathize too much.  Yes, the basis of their lies have some merit; but they have moved far beyond reasonable human beings into pure nutbagery. :)
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2022, 06:51:03 PM
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This is not only a believable thing to happen, but it's consistent with actions practically on that level that have been going on for 20 years, including 'illegal' NSA mass data collection...
No, it's not believable -- because it would require that pretty much the entire epidemiological community be in on it. Even assuming we could make effective tracking devices small enough that they'd be invisible to the naked eye and fit through a small-bore needle, the regulatory bodies examining the various vaccine lines would have to be convinced to endorse the scam. And what exactly is this hypothetical tracker going to tell the government that our credit cards and phones don't already?

And, hell, here's the bigger and more important question: why the hell would George Soros or Bill Gates or the Democratic Party care where we are? Sure, geotracking data's handy for monetization, but it's not so handy that they'd spend billions to locate you without your knowledge. If this was something the government wanted to do, they'd just have a bunch of Republicans insist that it was the only way to ensure election security or keep out immigrants.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 13, 2022, 06:53:05 PM
I nominate whichever of you perverse children of worthless idols in this world, whether they are GOP or not, who gave my cell phone number to the RNC.  Every hour is another text message of some R politician who desperately needs my $$$.  I've got something here for you.  It's not $$$.   It is borrowed, but it is not new or blue.  Here it is:

"It is mine to avenge; I will repay.
In due time their foot will slip;
their day of disaster is near
and their doom rushes upon them." 

Deuteronomy 32:35

For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on September 13, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
But when you are talking about imaginary technology, and when it keeps people from doing something for their health and the health of society in general, you've gone into nutbag territory. When you realize that these politicians are making things up to scare people, which results in harm to those people and others, there is no need to sympathize too much.  Yes, the basis of their lies have some merit; but they have moved far beyond reasonable human beings into pure nutbagery. :)

If it's just a question of fearing that a vaccine is really a secret chip implant (nanotech, I suppose) then I agree with you. But I don't think it will be long before actual chip implantation becomes not only available but quite convenient. Eventually (like in Babylon 5) it may become mandatory in order to have access to the general system control credit and bank accounts, ID, etc. It will probably become embedded in a central chip system where everything's stored in one place. I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be. What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 13, 2022, 06:55:33 PM
Has it really been a month since the last nutbag post? It's not for lack of options. Here's a great one, Bolduc is running for Senate in NH.

What is with NH?  Have you seen the crap the Libertarian Party of NH comes up with?  It's grade A douchbaggery.  Trade for Alberta. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2022, 06:56:33 PM
When implants actually become feasible, people will gladly pay to have implants put into their own bodies that tell corporations where they are.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 13, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be.

These the same people who are on truth social all day long on their iphones?  I got bad news for them. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on September 13, 2022, 07:00:07 PM
When implants actually become feasible, people will gladly pay to have implants put into their own bodies that tell corporations where they are.

Haha, in many cases probably so. In fact if I was very transparently offered a chip that would contain all my info, my accounts, give me direct access to emergency authorities, be quantum encrypted, and avoid me needing to bring my wallet around, but would track all of my movements and purchases with impunity, I would probably gladly sign up for this service.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on September 13, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
I realize this is going in a different direction than vaccine paranoia, but to the extent that people are worried about being tracked via implants, they probably should be.

These the same people who are on truth social all day long on their iphones?  I got bad news for them.

Right, I'm not saying their fears will do anything to stop what's coming (i.e. increasing amounts of your choices being catalogued). Just that the fears are realistic.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Wayward Son on September 13, 2022, 07:29:21 PM
There is a difference between "their fears are realistic" and "they have reason to be concerned in the future."   ;)

Because that guy's fear's are as realistic as the guy who thinks lizard people have taken over the Democrats.  ;D
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Fenring on September 13, 2022, 08:27:17 PM
Because that guy's fear's are as realistic as the guy who thinks lizard people have taken over the Democrats.  ;D

Well, just to make use of the analogy, if some groups of people elsewhere in the world had already been taken over by lizard people, just not the Democrats yet, it would be reasonably rational to fear that the Democrats had been taken over too, even if they hadn't (yet). In our case some systemic elements have already been taken over by surveillance, and things that are 'yours' (such as motherboards) are infiltrated. Other systemic elements have not yet been infiltrated (biochemistry) but that seems to be less an issue of type and rather an issue of capability.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on September 14, 2022, 12:06:44 AM
Reason #339 that this whole 'secret tracking device' meme is bonkers - whatever "it" is would be a transmitter. Radio waves are detectable. How long would it take to be able to find it and prove it? But I DO think there's a great opportunity to sell tinfoil shirts . There are a number of EM blocking outerwear shops. There's also the whole idea of power. Even something the size of RFID can only track someone to within a few feet of the receivers, if not a few inches.

It would not be unreasonable for a candidate of any party to suggest that payment systems can and are being used to track people, as well as their yelp and facebook checkins. There's a ravenous federal facility in Utah that really doesn't get nearly enough attention from the privacy loons who are dreaming up Gates/Soros plots.

I already voluntarily carry around bluetooth locator tiles in my wallet, shoulder bag, luggage, and keys. Because there's a much better chance that I'm going to need to find my lost credit cards than the government finding out I went to whole foods and a sports pub last Sunday. Are there people who should be concerned? Matt Gaetz probably. If you have been plotting with your local militia to kidnap someone. But not your average rank and file member of the masses.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 14, 2022, 11:33:42 AM
For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one.

I warned you, RNC.  But you seem intent on effing around and finding out. 

"The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish."
Deuteronomy 28:22

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on September 14, 2022, 12:43:52 PM
For every text message I receive RNC, I'm going to send you another one.

I warned you, RNC.  But you seem intent on effing around and finding out. 

"The Lord will strike you with wasting disease, with fever and inflammation, with scorching heat and drought, with blight and mildew, which will plague you until you perish."
Deuteronomy 28:22

I think that threat has already been carried out via covid and climate change.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on September 14, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
Grant

Remember to keep it to the OT.  Many of the hard core conservatives here like that part of the Bible much better than the NT, especially the part with Jesus in it and all of that forgiveness and tolerance for others.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 14, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
Grant

Remember to keep it to the OT.  Many of the hard core conservatives here like that part of the Bible much better than the NT, especially the part with Jesus in it and all of that forgiveness and tolerance for others.

I plan to just keep to Mark 11:14, and skip over Mark 11:25. 

Nevertheless, I would hate for the OT to have a completely bad rep.  God apparently forgave the Jews over and over again, often after many of them were killed or scattered to the four winds, and Joseph forgave his brothers, and Esau forgave Jacob. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on September 14, 2022, 01:43:46 PM
Those are friends and family. It is the sections about the "others" that bother them.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDeamon on September 14, 2022, 07:05:19 PM
And, hell, here's the bigger and more important question: why the hell would George Soros or Bill Gates or the Democratic Party care where we are? Sure, geotracking data's handy for monetization, but it's not so handy that they'd spend billions to locate you without your knowledge. If this was something the government wanted to do, they'd just have a bunch of Republicans insist that it was the only way to ensure election security or keep out immigrants.

You're missing part of the puzzle. Where you are/were is only part of the puzzle.

It is about where were you in relation to somebody else? Did you spend any "significant" amount of time in the vicinity of somebody else "they" have on a watch list? How long were you nearby? Has it happened more than once? Even if it only happened once, have you been regularly found in the same places as other "first degree contacts" with the person they're particularly interested in? What about "Second degree contacts?"

It's about creating associations between people. And to make that happen, one of the best ways to do so is to know when and where you're making in person contact with others. (And possibly use other electronic means to address non-physical means of contact)

You can argue about how capable they are of pulling it off, but the methodology is centuries old at this point.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDeamon on September 14, 2022, 07:15:39 PM
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.

The only question is exactly how small the RFID "chip" needs to be in order be read at any particular distance from a RFID type of scanner.

Basically if you have a RFID tag implanted in you, it can be completely passive(only providing your "unique identifier") as the power comes from the Scanner reading the reflected signal your "tag" sends back. It doesn't carry your bank balance information, your name, your medical data, or anything else. It just responds back with that "unique ID" which then pings a central database which then calls up the information relevant to that particular "scanner" being used.

This is something that has been possible for well over a decade now, although the early implementations would have required some advanced materials that wouldn't risk rejection from the human body and a RFID "patch" that was a couple inches across to each side as I recall, but less than a millimeter thick. From there, you just need the scanners and connecting them into a networked system to track everything.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on September 14, 2022, 07:38:38 PM
OOh, I saw this on the X-Files. Implanted transmitters. Holy hell, why would you ever need to do this? If you're close enough to scan someone with RFID, you're close enough for face recognition. Or you can 10,000 mules people with their cellphone data, it won't be very accurate, but you can do it. I'm surprised that no one has suggested an implanted voterID yet, immune to any falsification and gets buried with the voter when they die.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDeamon on September 14, 2022, 11:13:42 PM
OOh, I saw this on the X-Files. Implanted transmitters. Holy hell, why would you ever need to do this? If you're close enough to scan someone with RFID, you're close enough for face recognition. Or you can 10,000 mules people with their cellphone data, it won't be very accurate, but you can do it. I'm surprised that no one has suggested an implanted voterID yet, immune to any falsification and gets buried with the voter when they die.

Cell phones and smart watches are much easier because they're also active transmitters and can store (some of) the data until able to transmit. But you can leave the celll phone behind, and not wear the smart watch. They can even be stolen or loaned out and generate misleading data as a result. Something like an RFID embedded in your body isn't likely to be misplaced, loaned out, or stolen(absent a surgical process you'd likely notice).

But yeah, there are other ways to achieve it that are far simpler than "covertly" installing RFID readers in random doorways to track who is entering or leaving buildings.

And for X-files fun, my favorite was the little strip of magnetic tape embedded in the larger denomination bills and the Lone Gunmen saying that too was a means of tracking people.  ;)
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: jc44 on September 15, 2022, 05:32:59 AM
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.
I think this https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/we-test-the-worlds-first-amazon-go-watch-you-shop-grocery-store/ is what you are referring to and that isn't RFID it's a "conventional" login + a lot of cameras.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDeamon on September 15, 2022, 08:45:10 AM
What's really at issue is the average person (and Congressperson) isn't going to be up on the tech scene enough to be able to judge whether 'that time' has finally come where getting bio-tracking will be a legitimate concern. To them it's already that time. That may not be accurate, but the concern should probably be addressed in advance (it won't be).

RFID has been with us for a couple decades now. Amazon even setup a demonstration store using RFID to allow a customer to walk in(identified by RFID--presumably a phone or other more "passive" item responding to the active ping at the doorway. Then you go through the store, pickup what you want, and leave. It'll bill you for what you exit with automatically as each item was RFID tagged and scanned as you walked out the door.
I think this https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/we-test-the-worlds-first-amazon-go-watch-you-shop-grocery-store/ is what you are referring to and that isn't RFID it's a "conventional" login + a lot of cameras.

In some ways, that makes more sense in the context of what happens when you have multiple people enter/exit the sensor's range at the same time--it was doing the tracking visually. In many respects, I'd expect the RFID version to be a simpler implementation, and I'd still strongly suspect Amazon had it present as a fall back if nothing else.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on September 17, 2022, 11:54:49 AM
I was trying to let things go.  As far as I know a relative gave them my number and one who curses their father is cursed themselves. 

I don't even mind John James.  And John Kennedy is kind of a joke to me. 

But this morning I got a text from Jim Jordan. 

So...

"You will become a thing of horror, a byword and an object of ridicule among all the peoples where the LORD will drive you."

Deuteronomy 28:37

Chew on that, RNC. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on October 03, 2022, 04:44:24 PM
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“Oh yes, it’s crazy,” Crenshaw responded when CNN’s Jake Tapper asked him about recent GOP rhetoric on “State of the Union.”

Many in the GOP have portrayed the search, which was connected to an investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, as politically motivated. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) filed impeachment articles against Attorney General Merrick Garland and called for the FBI to be defunded.

Those demands have been met with condemnation from some in the GOP, drawing comparisons to the defund the police movement that has been promoted by progressive lawmakers including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.).

“It makes us seem like extremist Democrats, right?” Crenshaw said on Sunday. “And so Marjorie and AOC can go join the defund the law enforcement club if they want. Ninety-nine percent of Republicans are not on that train.”

Dan is the kind of anti-nutbag GOP. He has 100% conservative views AFAIK, but has avoided the conspiracy theories that are rapidly adopted by more and more Republicans.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on October 03, 2022, 04:45:15 PM
They will still call him a RINO.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on October 03, 2022, 04:46:34 PM
And MTG and her like only want to defund the DOJ and FBI until they GOP controls it, then it is good to go. So they can investigate their political enemies.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on October 03, 2022, 06:18:07 PM
Just appearing on CNN makes Dan the enemy, doesn't it?
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on October 10, 2022, 03:59:14 PM
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President Trump told us to request $35 from you, [NAME REDACTED]!  We're trying to save America, and he said we could count on you.  Act here.

He said that about me, huh? 

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I have not claimed my rally blitz offer, thank you. 

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[NAME REDACTED], we're reaching out to you because this is important.  We just got off the phone with President Trump.  According to him, contributions have dropped by 500%, and the MAGA movement is in dire straights.  He's given us your information because, according to him, you've been one of the brave patriots who has yet to let him down, [NAME REDACTED]. 

We've got until midnight to set the record straight and Save America once and for all. 

To help President Trump, Retake Trump's Majority, and STOP the Radicals in Washington, we've secured the LAST 1300% MATCH, which you can claim here:

Dire straights, huh?  God that would be so nice.  That's the best thing I've heard all year.  He said I'm a brave patriot who has yet to let him down?  Well, it's all true. 

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Brace yourself,

Brace yourself for PA to FLIP BLUE if we can't help Dr. Oz pull ahead RIGHT NOW. 

Emergency 8x MATCH

Oh I'm braced.  I might need aspiration decompression to get rid of a priapism if Oz loses. 

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Hey, it's Marco texting you.  Can you plz spare $10 in the battle to take back the Senate?  Link here:

Points for almost being normal.  But "plz" instead of "please" is a foul. 

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Ron's average gift is $32.87 - can you chip in that exact amont to keep his BATTLE for TRUTH alive?

Who's Ron?  From the bar?  *censored* you better check that money before you try spending it anywhere.

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-House Republicans

Only 30 minutes huh?  Does it self destruct afterwards?  I'm afraid I missed it.  Sorry your server is now smoking. 

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Not everyone gets invited- YOU were chosen to join our GOP Strategy Council.  Will ou complete your app? It'll only take 30 sec:

You want me?  Here's my strategy recommendation:  Get rid of everyone and change your name and start over. 

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IT'S TOO LATE, [NAME REDACTED].

It's over.  We failed. We let Trump down. 

Tonight is the FINAL FEC quarterly deadline before Election Day and we're down in EVERY POLL.

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Tonight is our LAST CHANCE.  That's it.  If we can't step p now to protect Trump's legacy & the COP, we'll never catch up to the liberal $ machine. 

Here's where we stand:
-Pelosi's dark $ is drowning our new candidates.
-We are down in EVERY pol.
-Fake News slanders GOP everyday & spreads misinformation like wildfire.
-Big Tech is BANNING our conservative voices.

Are you paying attention?  We're working on borrowed time here. 

If we fail to meet tonight's deadline, Dems will get 2 more years of this disastrous one-party rule & Trumps legacy will be ERASED FOREVER.

Every single penny counts.  Tonight is the FINAL DEADLINE.

Please, please, please do your part to protect Trump's legacy, take back the House, and secure a better future for our children: 

Am I paying attention?  Oh yes.  My pupils were dilated and I was aroused through that entire bit.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on October 10, 2022, 06:20:49 PM
Dire straights? Scary heterosexuals?

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on October 10, 2022, 07:33:40 PM
Dire straights? Scary heterosexuals?

Nah Nah.  The guys who did "Money For Nothing".  That's what they're trying to do.  Get money for nothing. 
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: TheDrake on October 10, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
Cute reference to Dire Straits.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Grant on October 11, 2022, 12:05:23 PM
All the above examples are for Republican candidates, but apparently some Democrats are doing the same thing when it comes to lying or making up polling results to induce fear and get more money.  Nate Silver complaining this morning personally.  At least the Republicans just use fantasy polls and don't drop names.  Apparently Dems have no problem name dropping 538. 

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There's been around a dozen times this cycle where Democrats straight up lied about 538 forecasts.  Personally I'd donate money to charity or to local races before I gave to lying Congressional candidates.

Good to know there is still lying on both sides to get money and votes. 


On an ordered scale, in your own opinion, how "un-American" are the following systems:

A. Communism
B.  Socialism
C. Theocracy
D. Monarchy
E. Aristocracy
F. Fascism
G. Nationalism
H. Dictatorship
I. Direct Democracy

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on October 27, 2022, 07:42:29 AM
MTG is back to the top of the list.  If/when the Republicans take back the House she thinks they should investigate all of the corporations that stopped donating to Republicans who supported the Jan 6 rioters.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-gop-103731242.html

So companies doing what they want, for what ever reason, is reason enough to be investigated?  For what? What crime did they commit?  Sure sounds like the thought police to me.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: rightleft22 on October 27, 2022, 05:43:29 PM
The GOP may be nutbags but dang the DEM's are masters at shooting themselves in the foot for no reasons.
One thing you have to say for the nutgags, they know who feeds them.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: wmLambert on October 27, 2022, 06:36:45 PM
MTG is back to the top of the list.  If/when the Republicans take back the House she thinks they should investigate all of the corporations that stopped donating to Republicans who supported the Jan 6 rioters.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-gop-103731242.html

So companies doing what they want, for what ever reason, is reason enough to be investigated?  For what? What crime did they commit?  Sure sounds like the thought police to me.

Greene made a mistake urging investigations of corporations who stopped donating to GOP causes. Of course, the biased media probably nit-picked the issue to make her look bad and missed the issue she was concerned with.

In general, it's not attacking the GOP directly - it's allowing the Dems to get away with disreputable and illegal actions without concern of being cited for it by their pet newsies.

In today's news, we see Marco Rubio had a young canvasser, Chris Monzon, attacked in Dade County. At first the media ignored the hate crime aspect: According to the South Florida news outlet:

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According to the South Florida news outlet: According to the suspects’ arrest reports, Lopez “rushed the victim and threw him on the ground.” Police said Casanova then “began to kick the victim on the head as he was on the ground” as Lopez began punching the victim. According to authorities, a witness eventually pulled Casanova away from the victim, who then walked to his white Mercedes-Benz SUV, where he released two German Shepherds and walked them toward the victim, who was still on the ground. Casanova’s arrest report states that he then ordered his dogs to attack and bite the victim."

[What is missing? The reason for the attack.]

"Monzon was reportedly canvassing a neighborhood on behalf of the Rubio and DeSantis campaigns. Wearing a campaign shirt for the former and a hat for the latter, he was handing out flyers when two assailants reportedly blocked his path.

“Police said while the victim was handing out flyers, the two suspects were blocking the sidewalk and Casanova told him ‘he couldn’t pass through because he was a Republican and his dogs were ready to attack,.”

"Incredibly, it was initially reported that there was no indication the attack was politically driven. But a light investigation into the arrest report revealed how Casanova allegedly told Monzon that he could not pass by because he was a Republican.

...“Yahoo! News jumped straight to attacks on the victim, calling him a notorious white supremacist in their headline. A white supremacist can now be defined as anyone, no matter what color, who speaks out against the leftist narrative...”

It ia the shaping of the narrative that is so dangerous. Yes, Greene has the right idea - but it is too little, too late.

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: Tom on October 27, 2022, 06:57:48 PM
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Of course, the biased media probably nit-picked the issue to make her look bad...
I assure you that this is wholly unnecessary.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on November 09, 2022, 04:52:33 PM
Not a politician but still probably a Trump supporter kills neighbor because he thinks he is a Democrat.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-man-kills-neighbor-because-204600966.html

This relates to stochastic terrorism

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stochastic-terrorism-appears-rise-globally-215511882.html

We know attacks will happen, just not specifics.

Sound familiar? Trump and the MAGA people are pushing this stuff and things like this happen. They use aggressive words like fight and take back etc and then act surprised (not really) when someone who may not be all right mentally, does what they said to do.

Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: msquared on November 14, 2022, 12:51:21 PM
Matt Gaetz thinks Trump should be Speaker of the House. Then they can impeach Biden and Harris and then Trump is President again.

Really? Does he even think things like this through?  Obviously pandering to his base.
Title: Re: GOP nutbag of the week
Post by: yossarian22c on November 14, 2022, 01:44:59 PM
Matt Gaetz thinks Trump should be Speaker of the House. Then they can impeach Biden and Harris and then Trump is President again.

Really? Does he even think things like this through?  Obviously pandering to his base.

Matt Gaetz really, really, wants his pardon from King Tinyhands.