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Title: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 18, 2020, 08:16:30 AM
The continuing embarrassment, VP son Hunter, ramps-up as Uncle Joe’s graft ties to now bankrupt Shanghai conglomerate China Energy Co. exposed in authenticated emails. Is it clear at this point why China was defended against COVID isolation by Joe’s claims of “racist” motives behind Trump travel restrictions?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/amp/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Fenring on October 18, 2020, 01:07:21 PM
I will be interested to see how and if this develops.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 18, 2020, 04:05:51 PM
Fenring,

If publicity of Uncle Joe’s self-enrichment schemes is left to the major news outlets, or leftist voters, there is not a chance that this story will gain traction. Witness the reaction from this board. Fortunately the WSJ did pick it up, and waited for an ABC reaction.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/biden-corruption-and-abc-news-11602794575

Did Stephanolopus’ “moderator” function indicate any concern? :

https://youtu.be/rR-g213a-SY

1- COVID, will he take a vaccine by years end? Answer; “Yes, if the scientists are behind it.”
2- Taxes, will he raise taxes on the wealthy, and corporate America even if the “recovery“ continues? Answer; “Yes”.
3- Racism, Young black man asks why he should vote for Biden? Answer; “Because I am holy.”
4- Court Packing, Will Biden pack Court? Answer; “It all depends on how ‘this is handled‘ ”.
5- Chinese and Ukrainian graft... crickets...

Note: the audience bleachers are empty except for “voters” (political shills) who read their pre-rehearsed questions from cards.

Contrast this with ABC summary of Trump’s “townhall”. :

1- Were you warned about the dangers of a COVID pandemic? Answer; “No”.
2- Do you owe $400,000,000 to a foreign entity? Answer; “Not that I know of, it is a small fraction of what I am worth.”
3- Were you tested for the Corona virus on the day of the debate? Answer; “I am not tested every day, I cannot remember.”

ABC did point out, correctly, that very few people remain undecided at this point, This week’s in-person debate should address Biden’s “family business”, Sicilian style, managed by his talentless, cocaïne inhaling, dishonorably discharged, scion that uncle Joe claimed in the debate to be “proud of”... after equivocation about his dead son, Bo.

The electorate sees this.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 18, 2020, 05:04:21 PM
Little Hunter; the gift that keeps giving. :

“The Ukrainian parliamentarian said: 'The facts that confirm international corruption are stored on the second laptop. This laptop was handed over to Ukrainian law enforcement officers, and the ‘workers’ themselves are now witnesses in criminal proceedings.'
Derkach says the workers are 'ready to tell' about international corruption involving the Bidens.  He warns: 'But most importantly! These are not the last witnesses or the last laptop.’ ”


https://apple.news/AsCVdcqnZSAaUKc1WXWTrQQ
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on October 18, 2020, 09:09:12 PM
I guess in a few months we'll see if the Democratic Congress decides to impeach Biden, or follow the Republican lead and decide it's no big deal.  ;D
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 18, 2020, 09:18:30 PM
WS,

In all seriousness, have you decided? Does it matter to you if the Biden’s have made a business out of plundering through the public trough?

I think that the average voter may not be so complacent.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 19, 2020, 09:38:53 AM
WS,

In all seriousness, have you decided? Does it matter to you if the Biden’s have made a business out of plundering through the public trough?

I think that the average voter may not be so complacent.

Honestly given that the last story of this nature is looking to be a Russian disinformation campaign I'm unlikely to believe that Ukraine, Russia, or Rudy have access to either Hunter or Bo's old laptop computer. The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.

But even if the story is true I think we're better off electing then impeaching Biden than keeping Trump in office.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 19, 2020, 10:18:37 AM
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion. One that was apparently unencrypted, With four year old emails still on it, with a lax email retention policy. Personally dropped off at a random repair shop by Hunter himself, who presumably would have known what was on it. By a guy who has raked in millions, but somehow doesn't have access to IT professionals or chose not to use those contacts.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Fenring on October 19, 2020, 10:26:55 AM
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion.

Not that I want anyone in power who is abusing the office or is corrupt, but I don't think there's remotely any equivalence between these that you're comparing them. I assume regarding Don Jr you're talking about that meeting that went nowhere, where at worst the Trumps were hoping to get dirt on their opponents. But even if that's true, that they really were hoping to get some nice stuff to use as mudslinging, that's not even the same ballgame as taking large payouts (through family proxies) from hostile regimes in exchange (presumably) for political assistance and influence. The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same. Not that I personally want either of them in power either way.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 11:04:12 AM
Y-22,

“Honestly given that the last story of this nature is looking to be a Russian disinformation campaign I'm unlikely to believe that Ukraine, Russia, or Rudy have access to either Hunter or Bo's old laptop computer.”

Hunter’s attorney seems to be the individual interested in retrieving the hard drive, and nobody but Joe seems to believe this 50 year old juvenile has overcome his drug habit. His situational awareness is apparently too compromised to worry about things like that.

“The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

Do you have an issue with the sources?

“But even if the story is true I think we're better off electing then impeaching Biden than keeping Trump in office.”

I think that last year’s impeachment circus cheapened a very serious corrective recourse. Beyond that, you would elect an individual who is beholden to, and blackmailable by, China?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: oldbrian on October 19, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
Fenring:
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The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same.

Noel:
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Beyond that, you would elect an individual who is beholden to, and blackmailable by, China?


What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?


I asked William Lambert this question and few days ago and he ignored it.

BTW, Noel, how many syllables are in your name?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 19, 2020, 11:14:45 AM
“The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

Do you have an issue with the sources?

Yes.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Fenring on October 19, 2020, 11:21:26 AM
What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?

In other words, what if Joe and Hunter are just businessmen who among other things work with major Chinese companies? Well I suppose I could believe that if it was just Hunter, but how does 'the big guy' have time to do his government job in the U.S. and also be a partner in a major Chinese firm? Or what are they paying Joe for anyhow? But yes, it's possible this is 'just business' and the email merely exhibits a wow factor that their partner might become President. So that would be a not-worst-case-scenario.

That said, Trump was torn to shreds merely about the fact that his American enterprise was potentially doing business in Russia, and that was 'proof' that he was in bed with the Russians. I can't imagine what the reaction would have been if he was actually a co-owner or a director in a Russian company. I think you can see how those are not the same at all.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 19, 2020, 11:42:35 AM
..I asked William Lambert this question and few days ago and he ignored it.

I ignored it because it has been already asked and answered. I've said many times that Trump's kids are business professionals with long records of competence and success. Biden's? Not so much.

BTW, Old Brian, Radcliffe said there is zero evidence that Russians have anything to do with the Hunter Biden laptop. It was perfectly and legally turned over to the Swamp-infested FBI when obvious felonies were discovered during the impeachment hearings - and the FBI sat on the info without revealing it as required by law to the Trump legal team. When he tried to find out the status on it, they warned him to keep quiet for his own safety. At that point he took it to the legal teams where it should have already been presented to them by the FBI.

There is nothing shaky about anything that might discredit the laptop info. The laptop is confirmed by Hunter as his. It is legally the property of the legally blind repairman due to the signed contract and the forfeiture law. His turning a copy of the hard drive over to the FBI was legal and responsible. The FBI's conduct may have been criminal. He followed the chain of custody procedures, so there is zero reasons to dismiss the laptop as anything but legal and accurate evidence.

That evidence has many things on it that should cause the Justice department to immediately arrest and detain Hunter and his family, including "The big guy." Child porn is just one of the red flags.

Everything has been verified so far. Nothing is in doubt. Hunter's only option is to hide, or turn himself in. If he does that, would he fall on the sword, or is the info in the laptop sufficient to arrest Joe Biden?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 19, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
I would wonder what Trumpians would think if Robert Mueller showed up one day with year old abandoned Don Jr laptop with emails proving Russian collusion.

Not that I want anyone in power who is abusing the office or is corrupt, but I don't think there's remotely any equivalence between these that you're comparing them. I assume regarding Don Jr you're talking about that meeting that went nowhere, where at worst the Trumps were hoping to get dirt on their opponents. But even if that's true, that they really were hoping to get some nice stuff to use as mudslinging, that's not even the same ballgame as taking large payouts (through family proxies) from hostile regimes in exchange (presumably) for political assistance and influence. The first is unethical, but the second is a much bigger deal, worst case scenario treason. Hardly the same. Not that I personally want either of them in power either way.

I'm talking about the believability of a chain of evidence, not the potential moral or criminal scope of the offence.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Fenring on October 19, 2020, 02:07:12 PM
I'm talking about the believability of a chain of evidence, not the potential moral or criminal scope of the offence.

I see, ok. I thought you meant something more like would Trumpians accuse Don Jr of being a criminal or something. If it's just a question of would they believe it at all even with evidence in front of them, at this point I don't even know what would convince anyone of anything that knocks against their current position. It's really just too easy to ignore or pretend you don't know when you'd actually have to change yourself by admitting it. I think a good case of this can be found among Republicans regarding Iraq 2.0's lack of truth behind the WMD's, and on the Democrat side more recently the fact of the DNC having cheated the entire 2016 primary process. No one will stop and say, "hey, that's not ok, I don't care which side I'm on!" Because, oh yeah, they so do care, and won't do anything that takes leverage away from their side.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 02:49:17 PM
Oldbrian,

“What if it was a legitimate business run directly by the president's child and the scion in question asked Chinese officials and businesses for sweetheart deals because 'my father is now the President'?  Would that be any different?“

- It could if Hunter had any business experience in the energy industry. The fact that he hired an attorney to run this operation as a legal structure indicates to me that he is a cipher proxy for “the big guy”.

- It could be different if the “big guy” was not allocated a percentage of revenue according to an authenticated email.

- It could be different if Joe’s brothers, Frank and James, had not accused the father/son pair of being "grifters", and using this tag-team method of gaming the system for years.

“BTW, Noel, how many syllables are in your name?“

One syllable.

(Y-22) ”The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

(Noel) Do you have an issue with the sources?

(Y-22) ”Yes“.

Does the fact that Hunter’s attorney is demanding the return of Hunter’s hard drive persuade you of its provenance?

As an aside; it appears that the New York Post story from last week has grown legs. Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, said on Monday that Schiff's assertion that the story is “being run from the Kremlin” is unsupported by intelligence assets. You may be a victim of wishful thinking.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 19, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
(Y-22) ”The timing is just about right for disinformation campaigns. Not long enough left in the campaign for them to be completely debunked but enough time to cause a news splash if people aren't being careful with their sources.”

(Noel) Do you have an issue with the sources?

(Y-22) ”Yes“.

Does the fact that Hunter’s attorney is demanding the return of Hunter’s hard drive persuade you of its provenance?

And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 03:03:40 PM
Y-22,

“And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.”

There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 03:12:14 PM
... Although I think the photograph found on the drive of Hunter asleep in bed with a crack pipe is pretty compelling.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 19, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
Nothing burger
Fake news
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on October 19, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
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There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie, like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel? :)
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 05:00:56 PM
RL-22,

“Nothing burger
Fake news“


Is this a conclusion based upon real scrutiny, or hope?

WS,

“And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie... “

You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

“... like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel?”

I never bought into the Kenya birth story. The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 19, 2020, 05:20:07 PM
RL-22,

“Nothing burger
Fake news“


Is this a conclusion based upon real scrutiny, or hope?

WS,

“And what will you do when it is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt?  What will you do when it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this was a forgery only intended to try to fool people like you into believing a lie... “

You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

“... like the whole Obama birth certificate scandal?  What will you do then, noel?”

I never bought into the Kenya birth story. The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.

You didn't answer the question.
What would you do it this Hunter thing isn't true or can't be proved to be true?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 19, 2020, 05:25:14 PM
The reason that Barry would not release his Long-Form birth certificate is that it contradicted his book. He was illegitimate.

Is that also the reason that George W. Bush didn't release it?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 19, 2020, 05:40:24 PM
RL-22,

“You didn't answer the question.
What would you do it this Hunter thing isn't true or can't be proved to be true?”


Nothing could be “done”, just like nothing came of that ridiculous impeachment circus last year.

Your turn...

Seriously, would you vote for a presidential candidate who concealed an ill-gotten stake in the Chinese economy?

Aris,

“Is that also the reason that George W. Bush didn't release it?”

George W. Bush: born July 6, 1946 (74 years)

Parents married: January 6, 1945, at the First Presbyterian Church in Rye, New York

Not likely.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 19, 2020, 06:18:06 PM
Y-22,

“And the only source for that is Steve Bannon. The answer is yes, I have problems with the sources.”

There is plenty of time prior to the election to verify correspondence by Hunter’s attorney, and to perform a forensic analysis of the hard drive.

What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

Right now the allegation is Hunter got 1 meeting for a Ukrainian and there's something about some money from China as well. For the meeting, honestly with everything Trump's done it doesn't even raise a flag on the scale of corruption anymore. The money is a different issue, but honestly I don't think its any more serious than any of the shady money issues Trump had. The Russian oligarch who bought a house for $50 million from Trump only to rip it down and rebuild something else. Trump's properties in Panama and some in New York that have been linked to money laundering for organized crime. But if graft were proven I would just call for Biden to be impeached and say hello to President Harris.

How about you, will you be any more skeptical of the right wing propaganda machine when this is shown to be bogus? Rudy and Bannon aren't reliable sources.

This story is so implausible. When Trump was making a stink about Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Hunter just happens to spill some water on a computer with incriminating evidence. Instead of going ahead and destroying the thing so the evidence goes away he decides to:
1) Take it to a blind computer repairman.
2) Leave his name but no contact info.
3) Never return to pick up the computer.
4) Then the repairman who conveniently can't identify who actually dropped the computer off because he's blind decides to peruse the computer files for old emails instead of wiping the drive and selling it off.

This story is so implausible.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 19, 2020, 06:23:31 PM
Here is an interesting contrast: in 2016, the FBI had an open investigation into Russian interference in the election, with specific sub-inquiries into a number of people in the Trump campaign, sub-inquiries that began as early as July 2016.  This investigation of Russian interference was made public, but the possible involvement of Trump campaign members was kept under wraps until after the election, and none of those people were named at the time.

Today, we have the Director of National Intelligence talking to Fox News, making political statements about an ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden, two weeks before the election and attempting to link something to his father, the presidential candidate.

There's no point in debating the veracity of any of the actions investigated, but there is no question that the investigations existed, nor the timing of them being made public.  It's obvious, though, that this is another example of Trump cronies abusing their power and position for political gain in ways not done previously.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on October 19, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
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You expect the hard-disk to be “forged“?

I'm sure the hard-disk is quite legitimate.

It's the information on it that I suspect is forged.  ;D
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 19, 2020, 07:46:28 PM
..There's no point in debating the veracity of any of the actions investigated, but there is no question that the investigations existed, nor the timing of them being made public.  It's obvious, though, that this is another example of Trump cronies abusing their power and position for political gain in ways not done previously.

There is no point in you debating documented sources as undocumented. We have explicit statements by legal teams that the laptop came into possession of the legally blind computer repairman in Delaware, and that the chain of evidence was secured throughout. That the repairman's multiple attempts to contact Biden to come get the repaired equipment is not a mystery, since at the time Hunter was hiding from being served on the paternity of a child he fathered. When the repairman gained possession of it, the impeachments were starting which made him nervous about the sensitivity of what he now owned. He found many felonious behaviors and emails that contradicted what was going on in the impeachment hearings. He took it to the FBI and they never got back to him, except to tell him to not do nothing about it for his own safety. Afraid for his life, and not trusting any reporters, he found the Giuliani legal team to help him. Nothing wrong in doing so. His propety, knowledge of felonies, child pornography, and other sensitive data drove his legal decisions.

The info already released demonstrate there were flagged events recorded that demanded police action by the Feds. There was never any hint of disinformation. The laptop was Hunter Biden's. The repairman tried to get it back to him, but Hunter was in hiding. The chain of custody was intact which makes everything legally admissible in court. No one from Biden's camp has denied that the laptop was Hunter's, nor that the emails released were not accurate. On top of that, we now have corroborating testimony from China and other countries to verify the emails, meetings, and contacts.

We also have recorded videos of Joe Biden denying what he was proved to have done. There is little to give him cover. The man lied and has to answer for it. Adam Schiff can not claim Kremlin conspiracy when his own intelligence gatherers said they did not tell him that. He made it all up. It is illegal for Joe to take money from foreign sources. They certainly have the evidence to blackmail him in the future.

The internet is churning now with "inside information" coming from the DNC. It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%.

Every news outlet is in receivership of the laptop data and communicating with their legal departments over release. Once released, the US Justice officials will have zero choice but to arrest Hunter. Joe or Hunter will not make it to election day as free men.

The censorship we are witnessing is that the info from the hard drive is Corroborating evidence, and is being scrutinized to make the cases against them airtight and to prove guilt "without a doubt."
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 19, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
The internet is churning now with "inside information" coming from the DNC. It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%.

You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

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Every news outlet is in receivership of the laptop data and communicating with their legal departments over release. Once released, the US Justice officials will have zero choice but to arrest Hunter. Joe or Hunter will not make it to election day as free men.

I haven't seen a single news source say they have actually seen the data other than the NYP. Also the data they have is purportedly a copy of the original laptop, which the FBI has. So what the NYP has is something that claims to be a copy of a laptop Hunter Biden dropped off with some sex tapes and incriminating evidence and decided to not go back and get.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 19, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
...You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

That is the Left wing inside information that is being leaked to provide avenues for their proposed actions. The laptop info is only restricted on some Social Media. It has been available to journalists for awhile. The holdup is them trying to soften the Biden implosion and how to manage it. Get on the right side of this now, while you can. You don't want to be holding the short end of the stick.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 19, 2020, 09:31:27 PM
...You're really tapped into the right wing propaganda machine. Or maybe its the Russian propaganda arm. You and I certainly spend time on different parts of the internet anyway.

That is the Left wing inside information that is being leaked to provide avenues for their proposed actions. The laptop info is only restricted on some Social Media. It has been available to journalists for awhile. The holdup is them trying to soften the Biden implosion and how to manage it. Get on the right side of this now, while you can. You don't want to be holding the short end of the stick.

So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 19, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 19, 2020, 09:53:13 PM
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.

They're legally constrained, the constitutional process once paired with the statutory law, they don't have any strong options for replacing Biden until 12:01PM on January 20th, 2021 should he win the election.

In theory some options could open immediately after the ratify the election results in Congress, but until they ratify Biden as President and Harris as the VP so the Electoral College results are no longer relevant tot he selection process, they can't do much without creating more Constitutional headaches.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 19, 2020, 10:15:38 PM
...So if it doesn't happen, and Biden isn't replaced by anyone in the presidential elections, you'll admit you were very very wrong?

Probably not. They need a workable strategy to maintain power, and I'm not sure they can find it by changing out Biden before the election. What that means is a no-win situation for them, and the odds that they will try to finesse the charges against Biden to get past the election, then fix things after the fact.

So, wait you said "Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%"

That's a total of 100%, so even with roundings there should be probably 1% chance or less of Biden remaining on the presidential ticket, no?

What site can I place a bet that Biden will remain on the presidential ticket? Doesn't it mean that I'll roughly be able to get $100 out of every $1 I put in, if I make a bet that Biden will actually remain on the ticket, and it so happens?

Or I'll take bets here. Anyone willing to take this bet: I give you 5$ if Biden is dropped off the presidential ticket before the elections, you give me 100$ if he isn't? After all, it's nearly 100% certain that he'll be dropped right? Easy money for you.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 19, 2020, 11:06:36 PM
...you said "Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%"

That's a total of 100%, so even with roundings there should be probably 1% chance or less of Biden remaining on the presidential ticket, no?

What site can I place a bet that Biden will remain on the presidential ticket? Doesn't it mean that I'll roughly be able to get $100 out of every $1 I put in, if I make a bet that Biden will actually remain on the ticket, and it so happens?

Or I'll take bets here. Anyone willing to take this bet: I give you 5$ if Biden is dropped off the presidential ticket before the elections, you give me 100$ if he isn't? After all, it's nearly 100% certain that he'll be dropped right? Easy money for you.

I think you need a refresher course in assumption. They were talking about how the DNC may select someone if Biden is tossed. I doubt they have a real mechanism for doing so, but if they do, for each set of candidates there is a chance of going through if nominated. The examples given were which ones may have the inside track if Biden is behind bars. It also doesn't mean who could legally be entered on nationwide ballots. My thought is they would need to elect a prisoner to win at all.

Their main strategy is to do everything they can to keep him from being indicted before the election, and then worry about quashing Justice if elected. Their main concern is not Biden, but the down-ballot. Pelosi wants back in as majority leader, and Schumer wants the Senate. Those are the penultimate goals. They need a President on the ballots to generate votes for the House and Senate. Biden was always a low probability nominee, just better than Bernie.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 19, 2020, 11:20:16 PM
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"It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%."

The above quote was you, wmLambert, not anyone else.

Or to put it otherwise, you've really rapidly backpedalled from "It's evident that Biden will be replaced" to "Biden is almost certainly NOT going be replaced"

Tell you what, I'm actually reversing the odds of that previously offered bet. I give you 100$ if Biden is replaced on the ticket before the elections, you give me 5$ if he isn't. Deal? 
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 01:04:07 AM
Y-22,

(Noel): “What will be your position on Uncle Joe’s viability as a presidential candidate if the allegations are proven beyond a reasonable doubt?”

(Y-22): “... honestly with everything Trump's done it doesn't even raise a flag on the scale of corruption anymore. The money is a different issue, but honestly I don't think its any more serious than any of the shady money issues Trump had. The Russian oligarch who bought a house for $50 million from Trump only to rip it down and rebuild something else.”

Leaving aside the distinguishing difference pertaining to conflicted national loyalties in the Biden story, this statement is a paradigmatic example of my problem with alleged Trump “corruption”. Without knowing anything other than what you have just written, I can say that not only is this clearly legal, but it is what property developers do. Can you conceive of a rationale behind this oligarch tearing down the structure that would enhance his investment? What non-nefarious reasons might exist for an astute business person to do precisely this?

“Trump's properties in Panama and some in New York that have been linked to money laundering for organized crime.”

Are you saying that Trump took tainted bank transfers in exchange for property? How does one know an inter-bank transfer is tainted? Unless seedy looking mafioso are hauling in mail bags of cash to escrow companies, I don’t know how this accusation could stand up.

“This story is so implausible. When Trump was making a stink about Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Hunter just happens to spill some water on a computer with incriminating evidence. Instead of going ahead and destroying the thing so the evidence goes away he decides to:
1) Take it to a blind computer repairman.
2) Leave his name but no contact info.
3) Never return to pick up the computer.
4) Then the repairman who conveniently can't identify who actually dropped the computer off because he's blind decides to peruse the computer files for old emails instead of wiping the drive and selling it off.”


Maybe you have the wrong story. It should be noted that Mr. John Paul Mac Isaac, the computer technician, did not invite these “reporters” to his shop, as is made clear in the video. He did not want to talk to them, yet they persisted.

https://youtu.be/y9rMR3NnRfg

In order:

1) Mr. Issac is not “blind”. He stated that he has a progressive medical condition affecting his eyesight which, compounded by the difficulty caused through COVID mask concealment, prevented his immediate recognition of Hunter. Honestly, I would not recognize Biden out of context, either one of them, and my eyesight is fine. I stood in the airport next to Ron Howard, and Desi Arnez Junior for ten minutes before my traveling companion pointed their presence out to me.

2) Hunter did leave contact information. That is how the technician realized who the owner was. When the contents of the solid state hard-drive from the Model 2016 MacBook Pro, (with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker over the Apple logo), were individually dragged, and dropped, during the data recovery process, legal issues were raised in the mind of the tech which he believed justified involvement by law enforcement. This was not the first time he had done so. Apparently, he previously worked as a technician for Apple Inc. directly, and reported child pornography under similar circumstances.

3) Biden was not given the option of recovering his laptop. As to his stupidity; drug addicts are not known for good judgement. This is the same Hunter Biden who only recently lost a paternity suit to Lunden Alexis Roberts, and had argued against the hearing going forward because of COVID-19, and the fact that his wife, Melissa Cohen, was pregnant. I see the trail of bad judgement that you describe as not only tenable, but predictable, with this dolt.

4) There is nothing “convenient” about data recovery. The man did exactly as Biden requested per the work-order. This ”happened” to result, of necessity, in seeing everything recovered as part of the process. Circumstances were such that “wiping the drive“, as you suggest, would have amounted to destruction of evidence. Incidentally, the original drive was liquid damaged, and not salable even if the intent was to part out the computer.

“How about you, will you be any more skeptical of the right wing propaganda machine when this is shown to be bogus? Rudy and Bannon aren't reliable sources.“

If the hard disk proves to be inauthentic, then that is the end of the discussion for me. If your assumption that fraudulent representations were made regarding it are correct, then Rudi is in huge legal trouble which, as an ex-prosecutor, I am sure he fully understands. I don’t think he is an idiot, but I have experienced greater disillusionment in my life.

My resulting disappointment would not let me go this far. :
“But if graft were proven I would just call for Biden to be impeached and say hello to President Harris.“

To vote for a person that is known to behave in a manner justifying post-electoral impeachment is just too cynical for my taste, especially if Harris cannot win on her own merits, as your putative replacement president. That would be inherently undemocratic.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 07:39:03 AM
"COVID mask concealment"... you seem to be contending that Biden was wearing masks back in mid 2019.  Now that would have not only been an abundance of caution, but also impressive prescience.

CBS news interviewed Mr MacIsaac (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post-story/) and yes, he does characterize himself as "legally blind".

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MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them. He also repeatedly mentioned his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump in 2016.

Yeah, yeah - fake news, blah, blah, blah.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 08:01:01 AM
Donald,

“COVID mask concealment... you seem to be contending that Biden was wearing masks back in mid 2019.  Now that would have not only been an abundance of caution, but also impressive prescience.
CBS news interviewed Mr MacIsaac and yes, he does characterize himself as ‘legally blind’.”


It is possible I misinterpreted the audio. He clearly states that he had 100 times greater difficulty seeing faces than a year before. Legally blind does not mean functionally blind, as most people understand.

“MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them. He also repeatedly mentioned his girlfriend left him after he voted for Trump in 2016.
Yeah, yeah - fake news, blah, blah, blah.”


He voted for Trump! You mean like half of America? That settles it, he has to be lying.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 20, 2020, 08:10:14 AM
Or less than half.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 08:14:22 AM
Msquared,

“Or less than half.“

At least you understand how the electoral college works now, correct? It will be important to any candidate wanting to win the presidency.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Well, he actually admitted that some of his actions were motivated by how unfairly the president was being treated: "MacIsaac, the owner, said several times how he felt Mr. Trump was treated unfairly during his impeachment trial and suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them."  So yeah, that is somewhat relevant.

Especially when you consider the damning email, an email about having a coffee, was a 4-year old email, that was accidentally viewed and just so happened to have been identified as "significant" ("oh my goodness - this 4 year old email, that just happened to open accidentally on my screen, shows this guy asking about meeting again, and thanking him for the previous meeting! This requires immediate analysis!") 

Is it possible?  Maybe.  Is it likely?  Are there other explanations that fit the facts?  Hmmm...

And I have no idea why one would focus on him not being as blind as he said he is.  He admitted to not being able to identify "Biden" visually; he only knew who he claimed to have been dealing with when "Biden" gave his name.

Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 08:23:02 AM
Donald,

“Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.”

Fortunately for you, and anyone else interested, the claims are subject to falsification.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 20, 2020, 08:24:22 AM
noel

I have always understood how the EC works.  What makes you think I didn't? How is that relevant to my comment on your statement?

You said "Half of America voted for Trump." That is not true.

First no every American voted, so his percent of the vote as a percent of the total population is well below half. 

Now that is common in American politics. I do not think any American president has gotten half of the total population to vote for him (maybe Washington?).

However, even among people who did vote, Trump did not get half of the votes.  He did get enough votes in the right stats to win the EC.

But to say half the people voted for him is not true.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 20, 2020, 08:56:18 AM
Donald,

“Personally, I would be really, really, leery about hanging my hat on any of this, because it is so questionable for so many reasons.  It makes me wonder why people are so keen on accepting it as unvarnished truth.”

Fortunately for you, and anyone else interested, the claims are subject to falsification.

And fortunately for the timing of the claims and the limited release of the data to only Trump friendly media outlets its unlikely for the whole story to go down in flames until after the election. Trump's people (Bannon and Rudy) saw how effective the Weiner laptop was and were trying the same play again. Or maybe they and a legally blind computer tech were duped by a foreign disinformation campaign. I mean the alleged child porn should be a giant red flag. I'm not saying Hunter is the sharpest tool in the shed but I think he's smart enough not to hand a laptop with child porn to a computer tech and then never return to get it.

There's also the location. In 2019 when this laptop was dropped off in Delaware while Hunter was living in LA. So I'm going to say this is almost certainly fake news.

Depending on how sophisticated the fake is will determine how long it takes to show its a fake. Was it a foreign intel set up or just a local Trump supporter out to get Biden? A foreign intelligence service could get enough authentic photo's of Hunter, hack some social media, maybe get a few authentic emails, and insert enough disinformation and fake photos and videos to make it take a while to sort out what's real and what's fake.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 10:05:34 AM
Donald,

“And fortunately for the timing of the claims and the limited release of the data to only Trump friendly media outlets its unlikely for the whole story to go down in flames until after the election.”

Do you consider the FBI Baltimore Field Office a “Trump friendly media outlet”? They have possession of the original hard drive.

“Trump's people (Bannon and Rudy) saw how effective the Weiner laptop was and were trying the same play again. Or maybe they and a legally blind computer tech were duped by a foreign disinformation campaign. I mean the alleged child porn should be a giant red flag. I'm not saying Hunter is the sharpest tool in the shed but I think he's smart enough not to hand a laptop with child porn to a computer tech and then never return to get it.“

Never underestimate people’s capacity for stupidity.

“There's also the location. In 2019 when this laptop was dropped off in Delaware while Hunter was living in LA. So I'm going to say this is almost certainly fake news.”

Either the drive is his, or it is not. Speculation on Hunter’s travel history is irrelevant to that fact.

“Depending on how sophisticated the fake is will determine how long it takes to show its a fake. Was it a foreign intel set up or just a local Trump supporter out to get Biden? A foreign intelligence service could get enough authentic photo's of Hunter, hack some social media, maybe get a few authentic emails, and insert enough disinformation and fake photos and videos to make it take a while to sort out what's real and what's fake.“

You are beginning to sound neurotic. We all trust the FBI, right?

Msquared,

A spread of 2% in the popular vote is close enough to “half”, that to make an issue out of it indicates some lack of appreciation for how campaigning works. It is unfortunate for Hillary that you were not present to advise her. The relevance of my comment is that you do not act as if you understand the difference in importance between the electoral, and popular vote. Trump won an election that was Hillary’s to lose. Get over it.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 20, 2020, 10:15:59 AM
I am over it. You seem to have me confused with someone who says Trump did not win 2016. He did. I have never said otherwise.  I have never claimed he stole the election or any such comments.

And that was a very Trumpian answer.  I clearly stated why your statement was incorrect. More than half of the US did not vote for him. Even less than half of the people voting voted for him.

That is an objective fact.  But of course you would not admit to hyperbole in your statement.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 10:45:20 AM
Msquared,

“That is an objective fact.  But of course you would not admit to hyperbole in your statement.“

Hyperbole: “an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as ‘to wait an eternity.’ “

The difference between two percent, and an eternity, is what separates our concepts of hyperbole. Give it a rest msquared.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 20, 2020, 10:51:17 AM
You give it a rest.  You are arguing semantics now.  You are following the Trump plan right to the letter. Never admit you were wrong. There is always an excuse. Zero-Sum game.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 20, 2020, 01:31:09 PM
Why is it just so hard for Noel to amend his statement to say "nearly half"?

It doesn't undermine the point whatsoever. It is immaterial to the argument. The more important failure is to describe a guy who claims to have suffered a breakup over his Trump support, who believes all the Trump persecution stories, and "suggested if the alleged documents are true, the "sham" impeachment was reason to release them.

In other words a sentiment that is motivated by retaliation. I think it is a huge stretch to make that person equivalent with every Trump voter.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 20, 2020, 02:18:48 PM
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"It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with. The DNC is crunching numbers of whom to replace him with. The numbers generated so far say Hillary/Harris has the inside track at 60%. Warren/Harris at 20%. Bernie/Harris at 10%. Harris and anybody else at 10%."

The above quote was you, wmLambert, not anyone else.

Or to put it otherwise, you've really rapidly backpedalled from "It's evident that Biden will be replaced" to "Biden is almost certainly NOT going be replaced"

Tell you what, I'm actually reversing the odds of that previously offered bet. I give you 100$ if Biden is replaced on the ticket before the elections, you give me 5$ if he isn't. Deal?

Totally clueless. Read what I posted. it is almost impossible for Biden to be replaced. The Dems face a conundrum. Their nominee is a proven felon and traitor, bur needs to be elected for them to maintain power on the down-ballot. You can just donate the $100 you forfeited to a good charity - but no Clinton Foundations or Biden Crime family, okay?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 20, 2020, 02:24:52 PM
He is accused, not proven.  There have been no charges brought and no trial.  Or by your standard, Trump is a proven felon and traitor. He has been accused. Hell, in one sense the impeachment is basically charges against Trump. So there is more to support that than what has been against Biden.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 20, 2020, 02:48:22 PM
The GOP face a conundrum. Their nominee is a proven felon and traitor, bur needs to be elected for them to maintain power on the down-ballot.

wmLambert is just playing the Trump game of accusing 'the other' of doing the very thing they are doing. Its in the Trump playbook and guessing the latest marching orders and talking points for the apologists. 
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 20, 2020, 03:28:34 PM
Donald,

“And fortunately for the timing of the claims and the limited release of the data to only Trump friendly media outlets its unlikely for the whole story to go down in flames until after the election.”

Do you consider the FBI Baltimore Field Office a “Trump friendly media outlet”? They have possession of the original hard drive.

And the FBI doesn't comment on ongoing investigations that can impact an election. So all we know is the FBI has had the laptop for a year+ and no charges have been filed. Hard to say there's some smoking gun in that laptop that proves Joe and Hunter are felons. For all we know they're investigating the laptop as a counter-intelligence matter. Yeah, Trump's DNI has said they haven't found evidence of it being a Russian plant but we don't know what evidence they've found about the origins of the laptop.

So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 20, 2020, 04:13:00 PM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 20, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.

Does Fox News have a copy of the hard drive?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 20, 2020, 05:49:52 PM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.

Does Fox News have a copy of the hard drive?

A quick google and it appears the Post gave Fox the emails and that the sources are never identified.
In a story I read from the Post they were using Fox news as a source for explaining the emails...  WTF
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 06:20:45 PM
Drake,

“In other words a sentiment that is motivated by retaliation. I think it is a huge stretch to make that person equivalent with every Trump voter.”

Assuming that your last post was meant to be coherent, I am assuming this is directed to me. What are you talking about?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 20, 2020, 06:54:12 PM
Right above. "The sham impeachment was a reason to release them"

Release them, or fabricate them? Or assist someone who did? That whole paragraph describes someone who has a very personal grudge against Democrats, including Biden, as well as a desire to destroy Trump's enemies who tried to impeach him.

That's far more motivated an individual than all the people who voted for Trump, and therefore it is false to drag out how many people voted for Trump to discuss this individuals reliability.

More from him:

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Throughout the interview, Mac Isaac switched back and forth from saying he reached out to law enforcement after viewing the files in the laptop to saying that it was actually the Federal Bureau of Investigation that contacted him. At one point, Mac Isaac claimed that he was emailing someone from the FBI about the laptop. At another point he claimed a special agent from the Baltimore office had contacted him after he alerted the FBI to the device’s existence. At another point, he said the FBI reached out to him for “help accessing his drive.”

Mac Isaac referenced the infamous Seth Rich conspiracy theory—which holds that a DNC staffer who police say was murdered in a botched robbery was actually killed off by Clinton allies because he leaked committee emails—as reason for his paranoia. He said he made a copy of the hard drive for the purposes of personal protection.

Furthermore, he's admitted he never saw who dropped off the laptop at this point. 

Quote
Mac Isaac said he had a medical condition that prevented him from actually seeing who dropped off the laptop but that he believed it to be Hunter Biden’s because of a sticker related to the Beau Biden Foundation that was on it. He said that Hunter Biden actually dropped off three laptops for repair, an abundance of hardware that he chalked up to the Biden son being “rich.”

I'm not sure what that means, that we apparently have a blind computer repair man, or at least someone running the desk. And the evidence that it is Biden's was ...  a sticker? None of that seems fishy to you at all?

Maybe the most compelling argument in favor of it all being true is the sheer ineptitude it would take to not frame him better.


Amend: He wouldn't have to be blind or even visually impaired, he could have prosopagnosia.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 07:01:22 PM
Maybe the most compelling argument in favor of it all being true is the sheer ineptitude it would take to not frame him better.
This.

Ironically, it is the only part of all this that gave me any pause whatsoever.  The story is so unbelievable it could not have been planned.

Also - who outside of a small IT department has 3 laptops that need to be serviced at the same time?  And anybody owning a MacBook (never mind 3 of them) is not dropping dropping it off with a blind repairman, instead of an Apple Store.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 20, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.

Does Fox News have a copy of the hard drive?

They don't need the hard drive to independently verify the material that has been released, they just have to find someone else who received the relevant e-mail that is willing to validate it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 07:38:02 PM
Drake,

“That's far more motivated an individual than all the people who voted for Trump, and therefore it is false to drag out how many people voted for Trump to discuss this individuals reliability.“

If all you people projecting your motives onto others, who disagree with you, began to display a little more confidence in your certitude, then the captured emails will simply be proven false and disappear as a threat to your political hopes. If you are concerned that there may be something to this story, then you can still relax, because nothing that you do will stop it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
<snerk> the only people who are buying into the recent Giuliani/Russia dump are those who also still have hopes that pizzagate is going to bear fruit, and think that Trump will save the world from pedophiles.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 09:08:43 PM



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-federal-law-enforcement-confirms-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 10:21:55 PM
Speaking of the cookie jar, I wonder whether the NY Post will run with this one (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html?smid=tw-share):

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In 2017 Trump Int'l Hotels Management — the company with a Chinese bank account — reported an unusual $17m revenue spike, more than the previous 5 years combined. It was accompanied by a $15m withdrawal by Trump from the company’s capital account.

OMG - Trump is a proven criminal!  What with all the Republican candidates already scurrying from the ship, I wonder if they have time to replace him on the ticket?? /Sarc
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
Getting nervous Donald?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 20, 2020, 10:32:46 PM
I guess you didn't notice the "/Sarc" tag.

As an aside, you don't think that anything written here has any effect in the real world, do you?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 20, 2020, 11:13:26 PM
The purpose of this site is not to “influence the world”, but to better understand the craziness in it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: fizz on October 21, 2020, 01:57:23 AM
I've to say, thank to this site I've understood a lot about craziness.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 21, 2020, 07:36:08 AM
Totally clueless. Read what I posted.

I don't know how else to read your "It is evident that they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with".

You were saying that Biden's going to be replaced and the question was merely who was going to replace him.

Then, without any new information or whatever, just by merely getting challenged by me on it, you suddenly decided that he WON'T be replaced, that it's impossible to replace him, therefore it turns out the democrats have NOT "given up on Biden being their candidate", and they're NOT actually deciding to replace him with anyone".

So you were full of hot air, and then made a desperate complete 180 degrees reversal when people challenged your buffoonery -- and you're seemingly still pretending you never changed your mind at all.

That's dishonest. You're dishonest.

Tell you what, let's make a new bet. If Biden is replaced on the ticket, I'm gonna give a charity of your personal choice $500. But if Biden is NOT replaced on the ticket, you will have to simply say the sentence "I was simply wrong when I said 'they have given up on Biden being their candidate, and are deciding who to replace him with"." You don't have to give me a single cent if you lose, just say the sentence and thus admit a simple mistake.

(This is me putting money on the line in an altruistic attempt to make a single other human being a bit more honest, putting them on a path of virtue rather than their current path of sin.)

Deal?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 09:49:07 AM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.

Does Fox News have a copy of the hard drive?

They don't need the hard drive to independently verify the material that has been released, they just have to find someone else who received the relevant e-mail that is willing to validate it.

To be clear I was responding to the claim wm made that all media outlets had a copy of the hard drive and were waiting around for other reasons to publish it. If the drive is so damning why not mail a copy to every news room in America?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 10:01:25 AM
Y-22,

“To be clear I was responding to the claim wm made that all media outlets had a copy of the hard drive and were waiting around for other reasons to publish it. If the drive is so damning why not mail a copy to every news room in America?”

Are you operating from a presumption that the drive is genuine at this point?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 10:06:21 AM
Y-22,

“To be clear I was responding to the claim wm made that all media outlets had a copy of the hard drive and were waiting around for other reasons to publish it. If the drive is so damning why not mail a copy to every news room in America?”

Are you operating from a presumption that the drive is genuine at this point?

No. I'm operating from the presumption that if the drive is genuine that the best course of action to get media coverage is to distribute it to all the media outlets. The only reason I can see not to do so is that you are afraid that when an impartial media looks at the drive they will immediately discover much of the information on the drive is faked.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 21, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-federal-law-enforcement-confirms-hunter-biden-emails-are-authentic

So I looked at this link, and we have this:

Quote
1) FBI & DOJ concur w/ Ratcliffe that Hunter Biden's laptop & the emails in question weren't part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

2) The FBI DOES have possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

Saying it wasn't a Russian campaign doesn't mean it was authentic.

Quote
Meanwhile, another senior federal law enforcement official told Fox News that the emails are "authentic."

So an unnamed source. Forgive me if I'm not yet convinced, particularly since the quote is so sparse. There's not a full quote, just one word. I think we do have indications that at least some of the email is authentic, which isn't insignificant. It doesn't guarantee that all the emails are authentic, but it does lean in that direction.

Early voting and partisanship, plus the length of time that investigations take to prove things, probably means this came too late to have major impacts on the election. If it proves out true, then the only thing left would be for Biden to resign early in his presidency and Harris takes over. I wouldn't be upset at that turn of events, and I would want Biden held accountable and impeached if he refused to resign.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
Y-22,

“The only reason I can see not to do so is that you are afraid that when an impartial media looks at the drive they will immediately discover much of the information on the drive is faked.”

First, aside from possibly the Christian Science Monitor, there is no “impartial media”. A long time ago I seem to recall that you believed the NYT fell into this category. It does not. My guess as to the reason for modulated release of information is to inflict maximum political damage. Up to this point Uncle Joe has refused to respond to the hard drive contents at all. Only now is he attacking the hard-drive contents with a vague, and general denials. The more specific his responses become, the more targeted will be the releases of information.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Y-22,

“The only reason I can see not to do so is that you are afraid that when an impartial media looks at the drive they will immediately discover much of the information on the drive is faked.”

First, aside from possibly the Christian Science Monitor, there is no “impartial media”. A long time ago I seem to recall that you believed the NYT fell into this category. It does not. My guess as to the reason for modulated release of information is to inflict maximum political damage. Up to this point Uncle Joe has refused to respond to the hard drive contents at all. Only now is he attacking the hard-drive contents with a vague, and general denials. The more specific his responses become, the more targeted will be the releases of information.

If the goal is political damage they better hurry up. The story isn't getting much traction because it has all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign. About 30 million votes have already been cast, which is probably about 20% of the electorate. And Trump needs a big move from this. If they can't get the story out more broadly and without corroborating evidence or direct access to the drive the rest of the media are going to continue to ignore this story. So right now the only people the story is reaching are Trump voters already. And as long as its a NYP/Fox news only story Trump won't get the bump he needs from whatever sandal you think you have the smoking gun evidence for.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 11:16:37 AM
Y-22,

“If the goal is political damage they better hurry up. The story isn't getting much traction because it has all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign.”

The Democratic narrative has been that this is a “disinformation campaign” by Russia. You are the first person who has asserted “bad timing” on Trump’s part. Usually it is the timing specifically that is cited to discredit the photos, and emails.

“About 30 million votes have already been cast, which is probably about 20% of the electorate. And Trump needs a big move from this.”

The Democratic strategy does rely heavily upon unsolicited ballot voter fraud, and you are correct that Trump needs a big move. I personally think that his timing is spectacular.

“If they can't get the story out more broadly and without corroborating evidence or direct access to the drive the rest of the media are going to continue to ignore this story.”

The “rest of the media” is not needed, and that has been true for about a decade. Further, they “ignore“ releases at their journalistic peril.

“So right now the only people the story is reaching are Trump voters already. And as long as its a NYP/Fox news only story Trump won't get the bump he needs from whatever sandal you think you have the smoking gun evidence for.”

Don’t fall into the trap of believing your own press, unless it serves a need unrelated to objective awareness. The pathway for a President Harris will not survive this. Hilary lost the independent vote over issues of trustworthiness.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 21, 2020, 11:44:58 AM
Quote
Don’t fall into the trap of believing your own press, unless it serves a need unrelated to objective awareness.

Good advice for everyone

My observations is that the Trump campaign is trying to replay the 2016 game plan
The release of the hacked emails = Hunter stuff. The error in the timing  is that it doesn't have the same history of traction as the Hillary's emails did. Nor did Trump have to ask the DOJ or FBI to open/reopen a investigations. 

The error in replaying 2016 is that it will only resonate with those already committed to Trump. In a sense Trump is the victim of his past success. The thing he seems to forget is that in 2020 he is running as the incumbent.

I do fully expect fox republicans to make Hunter a issue throughout a Biden administration should he win regardless of findings.

That said I still expect Trump to have 4 more years
   
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 12:17:35 PM
Y-22,

“If the goal is political damage they better hurry up. The story isn't getting much traction because it has all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign.”

The Democratic narrative has been that this is a “disinformation campaign” by Russia. You are the first person who has asserted “bad timing” on Trump’s part. Usually it is the timing specifically that is cited to discredit the photos, and emails.

The timing was right if the story got traction. This weak sauce isn't moving the polls like Comey's letter did 4 years ago. Early in person voting is going on across the country with millions of votes being cast every day at this point. So if Trump is sitting on an ace in the hole he better damn well play it soon or it will be too late. Maybe Trump can land a big blow with something at the debate, but all Biden has to do is deny, deny, deny. There is no trusted third party with the evidence that can verify the facts in time for it to make a big splash. Which is why I'm even more certain that its bogus and Rudy either knows or suspects it is. Because if it were legitimate handing this stuff out widely right now could generate a big splash. Everyday delayed is another day with millions of votes being cast that aren't considering this a factor at all.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 21, 2020, 12:23:09 PM
So answer the question. What media outlet that can comment on things has access to the hard drive or a copy of it? That was your claim, the entire news media had the hard drive and was just waiting on their legal teams for how to write stories about it. Last time I looked last night, I couldn't find a single new outlet outside of the NYP who had access to the files.

Fox News has independently verified some of the emails that have been released.

Does Fox News have a copy of the hard drive?

They don't need the hard drive to independently verify the material that has been released, they just have to find someone else who received the relevant e-mail that is willing to validate it.

To be clear I was responding to the claim wm made that all media outlets had a copy of the hard drive and were waiting around for other reasons to publish it. If the drive is so damning why not mail a copy to every news room in America?

And if you look at my first response in that chain(that should be pruned, but the lazy I'm leaving intact), I specifically said they'd validated some of the emails. I was not attempting to address the rest of it.

As to not cloning the HD multiple times and handing them out like candy?

It might have something to do with the more recent report of there being some pornographic material on the Hard Drive which probably is not legal in its nature.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 12:25:00 PM
That said I still expect Trump to have 4 more years

I'm still cautiously optimistic about Trump losing. If Biden wins the states he's polling above 52% in then he wins. Clinton was leading in a lot of those same states but was polling in the high 40%'s. There just aren't a lot of undecideds floating around, Trump  has to get out his entire base and either get a lot of Biden supporters to stay home or change their minds. Its actually a much tougher task than he had in 2016.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
RL-22,

” ‘Don’t fall into the trap of believing your own press, unless it serves a need unrelated to objective awareness.‘

Good advice for everyone

My observations is that the Trump campaign is trying to replay the 2016 game plan
The release of the hacked emails = Hunter stuff. The error in the timing  is that it doesn't have the same history of traction as the Hillary's emails did. Nor did Trump have to ask the DOJ or FBI to open/reopen a investigations. 

The error in replaying 2016 is that it will only resonate with those already committed to Trump. In a sense Trump is the victim of his past success. The thing he seems to forget is that in 2020 he is running as the incumbent.

I do fully expect fox republicans to make Hunter a issue throughout a Biden administration should he win regardless of findings.

That said I still expect Trump to have 4 more years.”


It is a little early to assess “traction” given that the DOJ/FBI corroborated DNI Director John Ratcliffe’s earlier statements only yesterday. With that observation aside, I must confess some surprise. That was a candid post RL-22.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 02:41:34 PM
It is a little early to assess “traction” given that the DOJ/FBI corroborated DNI Director John Ratcliffe’s earlier statements only yesterday.

Ratcliffe said they had no evidence that is was a Russian disinformation campaign. He stopped short of saying they had verified the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden. The FBI gave a long winded no comment. They got their hand slapped pretty hard because of how Comey handled the Clinton investigation at this time in the last election. This time is seems like they are trying to say nothing either way. I didn't see anything they said that validates or contradicts Ratcliffe.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 02:59:37 PM
Y-22,

“Ratcliffe said they had no evidence that is was a Russian disinformation campaign. He stopped short of saying they had verified the laptop belonged to Hunter Biden.”

Nobody with direct information is having reservations regarding authentication of photos, and emails, extracted from this laptop as belonging to Hunter Biden. How do you propose they got onto this harddrive?

“The FBI gave a long winded no comment.”

No, that is what they precisely did not do.

“They got their hand slapped pretty hard because of how Comey handled the Clinton investigation at this time in the last election.”

Comey eventually got his hand slapped for this, and a myriad of other issues before, and since that time, but problems with the current FBI Director’s conformance with protocol, or honesty, are not an element at play in this situation.

“This time is seems like they are trying to say nothing either way. I didn't see anything they said that validates or contradicts Ratcliffe.“

Did you see this (already linked) :

FBI & DOJ concur w/ Ratcliffe that Hunter Biden's laptop & the emails in question weren't part of a Russian disinformation campaign, The FBI DOES have possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question... Further, A federal law enforcement officer revealed to Fox News' Martha McCallum that Biden's emails are "authentic."."
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 21, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
Did you see this (already linked) :

FBI & DOJ concur w/ Ratcliffe that Hunter Biden's laptop & the emails in question weren't part of a Russian disinformation campaign, The FBI DOES have possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question... Further, A federal law enforcement officer revealed to Fox News' Martha McCallum that Biden's emails are "authentic."."

I did. And I addressed why it isn't compelling to me. The first part just says it wasn't Russians, which means it could be fabricated by anybody except the Russians. As for the second part, a generic federal law enforcement officer? Not "a high ranking officer" , "an officer familiar with the investigation",  "an officer at so-and-so field office"? It could be a US marshal in the Seattle office by that description. If there's more information, I don't have it. The whistleblower had more credibility.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 03:36:35 PM
Quote
The FBI on Tuesday said they have “nothing to add” to the statement Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe made that the laptop and emails purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden are not being investigated as Russian disinformation, Fox News has learned.

In a letter to Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson, exclusively obtained by Fox News, the FBI said they “have nothing to add at this time to the October 19th public statement by the Director of National Intelligence about the available actionable intelligence.”

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-says-they.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-says-they.amp)

I’m not seeing the FBI confirmation or denial of anything. Give me a direct quote from the FBI not Fox News clickbate headlines.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 21, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
If its proved to be bogus does anything happen to Rudy?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 21, 2020, 04:04:00 PM
If its proved to be bogus does anything happen to Rudy?

He gets a pardon?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 05:19:27 PM
Y-22,

This is what the FBI, and DOJ, has “nothing to add to”. :

https://youtu.be/woGyMvqLV5o

1) The “Hunter Biden laptop“ is a Hunter Biden Laptop, not a product of Russian disinformation. The DOJ and FBI have nothing to add to that fact.

2) The “Hunter Biden e-mails“ are Hunter Biden emails, not a product of Russian disinformation. The DOJ, and FBI have nothing to add to that fact.

3) The individual who claimed that these items were the product of Russian disinformation, Adam Schiff, lied to the American people. The DOJ, and FBI, have nothing to add to that fact.

If you do not see the position of the DOJ, and FBI as a confirmation, or denial of anything, I think that you missed something.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 05:30:43 PM
RL-22,

If Rudy lied about the authenticity of the laptop as a Hunter Biden possession, or the derived photos, and emails extracted from the computer, then he is personally liable for slander, and libel, at minimum. Hunter is not, at least technically, a public person. Whatever monetary damages occur as a result of all of this, including Biden attorney fees, could amount to quite a bit depending on what other scams Hunter had brewing on the back burner.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Y-22,

If you do not see the position of the DOJ, and FBI as a confirmation, or denial of anything, I think that you missed something.

Yep, where no comment stated as nothing to add counts as a conformation of anything.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 05:53:03 PM
Y-22,

“Yep, where no comment stated as nothing to add counts as a conformation of anything.”

Um, it counts as nothing to add to what was stated by John Radcliffe. Do you agree with what the DNI Director has said?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 21, 2020, 06:36:04 PM
Y-22,

This is what the FBI, and DOJ, has “nothing to add to”. :

https://youtu.be/woGyMvqLV5o

1) The “Hunter Biden laptop“ is a Hunter Biden Laptop, not a product of Russian disinformation. The DOJ and FBI have nothing to add to that fact.

2) The “Hunter Biden e-mails“ are Hunter Biden emails, not a product of Russian disinformation. The DOJ, and FBI have nothing to add to that fact.

3) The individual who claimed that these items were the product of Russian disinformation, Adam Schiff, lied to the American people. The DOJ, and FBI, have nothing to add to that fact.

If you do not see the position of the DOJ, and FBI as a confirmation, or denial of anything, I think that you missed something.

Your track record suggests it really isn't worth plowing through a 13 minute fox news video to look for something other than what they wrote on their website. The FBI said they had nothing to add to the statement about Russian intelligence. I also don't see any quotes from anyone saying "we have confirmed this is, in fact, Hunter Biden's laptop".

I'm happy to concede that the Russians weren't involved. That doesn't mean everything else about the narrative is ironclad fact.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Drake,

“Your track record suggests it really isn't worth plowing through a 13 minute fox news video to look for something other than what they wrote on their website.”

This... coming from a guy who asked me to ”plow through“ a 960 page Senate report on Bill Clinton‘s compromise of national security, and managed to refute his own argument in citing the referenced report? Drake, watch the fifteen minute video, you might hit pay-dirt.

“The FBI said they had nothing to add to the statement about Russian intelligence. I also don't see any quotes from anyone saying ‘we have confirmed this is, in fact, Hunter Biden's laptop’.“

Have you seen, or read, any DOJ or FBI officials talking about “alleged“ Hunter Biden laptops, emails, or photos? Law enforcement is scrupulously conscious of the distinction.

“I'm happy to concede that the Russians weren't involved. That doesn't mean everything else about the narrative is ironclad fact.“

Are you equally willing to concede that Adam Schiff lied his ass off to spread the false “Russia misinformation” narrative which all of the lefties on this board have parroted until yesterday? How about the revelation that Hillary Clinton was directly responsible for initiating the false “Russia collusion” talking point that ultimately led to a sham impeachment last year? Watch the Fox video, and you may be willing to concede that also.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 21, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
Y-22,

“Yep, where no comment stated as nothing to add counts as a conformation of anything.”

Um, it counts as nothing to add to what was stated by John Radcliffe. Do you agree with what the DNI Director has said?

I still don’t take it as a confirmation of anything he said. I take it as a we’re not talking about that but he can.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 08:06:48 PM

“I still don’t take it as a confirmation of anything he said. I take it as a we’re not talking about that but he can.”

This is why I come to Ornery. Where else could I peer into the thought processes of the loyal left. Thanks Y-22, and I mean that sincerely.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: LetterRip on October 21, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Legally Hunter is almost certainly a public person.  Also a claim of good faith belief is generally sufficient protection against libel and slander and proving it isn't a good faith belief is so hard that people are rarely successful.  So unless Guiliani has told someone he knows it is a scam and that person comes forward there isn't much risk.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 21, 2020, 10:18:28 PM
Let's have a look at schiff, shall we?

Quote
.Schiff in a Friday interview with CNN said the "smear" campaign against Biden and his ties to Ukraine originated as part of a Russian disinformation plot more than a year ago, but he did not explicitly link the Kremlin efforts to the Post story.

He's never made the claim that the laptop was part of that. At best he implied that it might be. Unless you want to show me where he said it was. I'm not a fan of schiff, he behaves a lot like trump with his belligerence and smug superiority.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 21, 2020, 11:11:44 PM
Drake,

October 19, 2020 - 01:45 PM EDT

“Schiff stands behind his remarks to CNN.

‘We know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin. That's been clear for well over a year now that they've been pushing this false narrative about the vice president and his son,’ Schiff told anchor Wolf Blitzer.

‘Clearly, the origins of this whole smear are from the Kremlin, and the president is only too happy to have Kremlin help and try to amplify it.’ “


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/national-security/521712-ratcliffe-schiff-battle-over-biden-emails-politicized-intelligence%3famp

“We know” nothing of the sort. Schiff, as Intelligence Committee chairman knew that his characterization of the Hunter emails would be taken seriously, and he leveraged that presumption to pass a whopper of a lie, a lie that members of this site were “... only too happy to help and amplify it.”.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 22, 2020, 12:26:22 AM
...“We know” nothing of the sort. Schiff, as Intelligence Committee chairman knew that his characterization of the Hunter emails would be taken seriously, and he leveraged that presumption to pass a whopper of a lie, a lie that members of this site were “... only too happy to help and amplify it.”.

We also know that Schiff has not had to answer for his other lies, so why should he fear the treat of being caught out once again?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 22, 2020, 01:59:59 AM
10% “Big Guy” cut in most damning email authenticated by copied email recipient. :

https://apple.news/AZCGZU2fWT6-9P6itqBN5mQ

“The email includes a note that ‘Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.’ A proposed equity split references ‘20’ for ‘H’ and ‘10 held by H for the big guy?’ with no further details.
Fox News spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.”


FBI criminal investigation cover exposed. :

“One of the documents, obtained by Fox News, was designated as an FBI ‘Receipt for Property’ form, which details the bureau's interactions with John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of ‘The Mac Shop’ who reported the laptop's contents to authorities. The document has a ‘Case ID’ section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729.
According to multiple officials, and the FBI's website, ‘272’ is the bureau's classification for money laundering, while ‘272D’ refers to ‘Money Laundering, Unknown SUA [Specified Unlawful Activity]—White Collar Crime Program,’ according to FBI documents. One government official described ‘272D’ as ‘transnational or blanket.’


Predicate “criminality” presumption required to open case connected with the Hunter laptop acquisition by the FBI Baltimore branch. :

" ‘The FBI cannot open a case without predication, so they believed there was predication for criminal activity,’ a government official told Fox News. ‘This means there was sufficient evidence to believe that there was criminal conduct... If a criminal case was opened and subpoenas were issued, that means there is a high likelihood that both the laptop and hard drive contain fruits of criminal activity,’ the official said."

FBI confidentiality fire-wall breached in time for voter consideration through deft control retention of hard drive contents by Rudy Giuliani. :

“The FBI, in its letter to Johnson, wrote that ‘consistent with longstanding Department of Justice (Department) policy and practice, the FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under investigation, including to Members of Congress... The emails in question were first obtained by the New York Post and, in part, revealed that Hunter Biden allegedly introduced his father, the then-vice president, to a top executive at Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings less than a year before he pressured government officials in Ukraine to fire prosecutor Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the company's founder.."

And the controlled trickle of politically damaging information has fourteen more days to run. Rudi is sucker-punching the Biden campaign from a position of complete narrative domination.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 22, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
FBI letter in full.
Quote
This responds to your letter, dated October 17, 2020, to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) regarding the authenticity of certain information provided to your Committee, including whether such information is linked to a foreign adversary’s influence operation or is otherwise fraudulent. You also ask several questions about a laptop computer reportedly produced pursuant to a grand jury subpoena.

As you may know, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has advised the
American public that, in advance of the 2020 election, a number of nation-states plan to use covert and overt influence measures in an attempt to sway voter preferences and perspectives, sow discord in the United States, and undermine the confidence of Americans in our democratic process. The FBI is the primary investigative agency responsible for the integrity and security of the 2020 election, and as such, we are focused on an array of threats, including the threat of
malign foreign influence operations. Regarding the subject of your letter, we have nothing to add at this time to the October 19th public statement by the Director of National Intelligence about the available actionable intelligence. If actionable intelligence is developed, the FBI in consultation with the Intelligence Community will evaluate the need to provide defensive briefings to you and the Committee pursuant to the established notification framework.

Finally, as the FBI advised the Committee in its letter, dated October 5, 2020, consistent with longstanding Department of Justice (Department) policy and practice, the FBI can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing investigation or persons or entities under investigation, including to Members of Congress. As the Inspector General firmly reminded the Department and the FBI in recent years, this policy is designed to preserve the integrity of all Justice Department investigations and the Department’s ability to effectively administer justice without political or other undue outside influences. Therefore, the FBI cannot provide any additional information in response to the enumerated questions in your letter.

Thank you for your support of the FBI, its mission, and its people.

This is still the official line from the FBI. I don't see anything that confirms that the NYP story. Even if the FBI is in possession of a real laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, and that's a big if. We have no way of knowing if the copy of the drive provided to Rudy and the NYP has been altered in any way.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 22, 2020, 09:55:04 AM
And the controlled trickle of politically damaging information has fourteen more days to run. Rudi is sucker-punching the Biden campaign from a position of complete narrative domination.

Quote
More than 42 million people had voted early, either in-person or by mail, as of Wednesday afternoon

Likely 1/4 of the vote is in. With millions more voting everyday. What's Rudy's reason for holding onto damaging intel? I know you want to believe this is all legit but Rudy lacks credibility and the Hunter Biden laptop hasn't moved the polls at all yet. If Rudy is going to use this to impact anything he needs enough evidence and credibility for this to get play outside of the right wing media loop. Right now the only people who care about this story are already Trump voters. That hasn't and isn't going to help close Trump's poll numbers. I think this is a giant nothing burger that Trump and Rudy are trying to use to make it look like there is smoke but when under further investigation there's nothing there, assuming there is anything non fabricated there to begin with. His complete narrative dominance has gotten no play outside of the right wing media sphere except for people doubting its veracity.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 22, 2020, 10:39:53 AM
...Likely 1/4 of the vote is in. With millions more voting everyday. What's Rudy's reason for holding onto damaging intel? I know you want to believe this is all legit but Rudy lacks credibility and the Hunter Biden laptop hasn't moved the polls at all yet. If Rudy is going to use this to impact anything he needs enough evidence and credibility for this to get play outside of the right wing media loop. Right now the only people who care about this story are already Trump voters. That hasn't and isn't going to help close Trump's poll numbers. I think this is a giant nothing burger that Trump and Rudy are trying to use to make it look like there is smoke but when under further investigation there's nothing there, assuming there is anything non fabricated there to begin with. His complete narrative dominance has gotten no play outside of the right wing media sphere except for people doubting its veracity.

You are on the losing side here. Real journalists and the FBI have already confirmed all the main aspects of the charges against Hunter, Joe, and his crime family. Joe has explicitly lied about it. He has been confirmed as the "Big Guy" by Hunter's business partner. The only thing stopping the Biden perp walk to the prison bus is Christopher Wray and other Swamp monsters. Personally, I would love to see "Ameica's Mayor" be named as Special Prosecutor.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 22, 2020, 10:47:37 AM
It seems like somebody is using the words "real", "confirmed", "all" "charged" and "crime" to mean something different from what normal people do when they use those words.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 22, 2020, 10:52:08 AM
Time will tell, but for now, with a few notable exceptions of Murdoch rags, the media is notably not biting because the evidence that they all have is limited to what Giuliani has said and what the NY Post has reported.

Basically, they can safely report on the existence of the Giuliani claims, and on the existence of the NY Post story, but not actually about the 'substance' of those claims.  They can also report on the FBI's "no comment"...
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 22, 2020, 11:10:41 AM
Time will tell, but for now, with a few notable exceptions of Murdoch rags, the media is notably not biting because the evidence that they all have is limited to what Giuliani has said and what the NY Post has reported.

Basically, they can safely report on the existence of the Giuliani claims, and on the existence of the NY Post story, but not actually about the 'substance' of those claims.  They can also report on the FBI's "no comment"...

Time has already told. What is there about proven facts that elude you? Do you think because a SCOTUS Justice hasn't ruled on it that the facts do not exist? Biden is dirty. He is compromised by our greatest foreign adversaries. Doesn't that make the time before the election ends of paramount value? Tony Bobulinski has nailed his associates. He also named six more powerful Democrats who may be dragged under with Biden.

Biden may claim he is being "smeared," but in actuality, he is being exposed. He has said "the great majority of Intelligence professionals say there is nothing there," when, in fact, they have all confirmed the charges. I sure would like to listen in to his prep work for tonight's debate.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 22, 2020, 11:16:33 AM
"proven facts" - you seem to be suggesting that significant numbers of non-Murdoch rags are running with the story.

I don't think they are, but please, point out which media entities are running with the 'story'.  Which media actually have access to the laptop in question?   And of those that do not have access to the laptop, which of them are reporting blindly on the contents thereof?

Or was that whole post a non-sequitur, and had nothing to do with my pointing out that most media are ignoring the click bait?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 22, 2020, 11:48:37 AM
For those on the right, here's how the rest of the world is viewing this story.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-giuliani-hard-drive-431022 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/hunter-biden-giuliani-hard-drive-431022)

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Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has said he obtained the materials from the laptop of Hunter Biden, the Democratic nominee’s son. They have not been reviewed or verified by POLITICO — and there are questions about the New York Post’s reporting on the matter, as well as the tabloid and other Trump-friendly outlets’ interpretations of events. There are concerns, too, about the former New York mayor’s interactions with figures linked by Trump’s own administration to Russian intelligence.
...
On a more basic level, there is still no proof the email is real — Pozharskyi has not replied to multiple requests for comment about whether he wrote it — or that such a meeting ever occurred. Biden aides have strenuously denied any such meeting ever happened.
...
Fox News has since reported, citing anonymous sources, that “the big guy” is a reference to Joe Biden. But there is no evidence that Hunter Biden ever struck a deal with the Chinese company, let alone that his father got a cut—income from China does not appear in Biden’s tax returns, including from the year of the alleged transaction.
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Why are other media outlets still skeptical?
First of all, other outlets haven’t gotten their hands on Hunter’s supposed hard drive, and the Trump allies who say they have it have ensured it stays that way.
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there are giant blinking warning signs about the documents, their provenance and the timing of their disclosure. For one: The primary driver of the episode is Giuliani. Giuliani has been seeking to obtain and promote anti-Biden material for two years, consorting with foreign actors deemed by U.S. intelligence and the State Department to be corrupt.
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And The New York Times recently revealed the inner machinations of the New York Post newsroom as it began crafting stories about Hunter Biden’s emails. Per the Times, veteran reporters refused to put their names on the story, and one of the two reporters whose names appeared on the byline didn’t realize she would be included as a coauthor until after the stories ran.
...
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 22, 2020, 11:56:23 AM
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 22, 2020, 12:19:41 PM
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 22, 2020, 07:10:20 PM
Y-22,

“This is still the official line from the FBI. I don't see anything that confirms that the NYP story. Even if the FBI is in possession of a real laptop belonging to Hunter Biden, and that's a big if. We have no way of knowing if the copy of the drive provided to Rudy and the NYP has been altered in any way.”


WmLambert is correct about Tony Bobulinski, he is the cc’d email recipient that I made reference to in my last post, and is making an appearance at the debate tonight as Trump’s guest.

Don’t hang your hat on the FBI’s “no comment policy” either. I addressed that in the same post. The FBI still writes receipts for property taken into custody, and Mac Issac has one with a case number that was already referenced for you. The case code indicates a high probability predicate assessment of criminal activity pertaining to White Collar money laundering. As far as worrying that Mac Issac gave Rudy a corrupted copy of the Hunter hard-drive, you are beginning to sound like Descartes. Were you this unreasonably scrupulous about provenance, or purity of transmission, when the so-called Steele Dossier was being circulated?

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: cherrypoptart on October 22, 2020, 07:36:30 PM
One problem with early voting is that when it ends up being significantly substantiated that your guy is a corrupt crook lining his family's pockets using the authority you entrusted to him then once your vote is cast it's too late to change your mind.

That's why I'm waiting until the last minute before I vote again for Trump.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 22, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
P.S. ,

WmLambert is also correct about the prevalent assumption that the MSM matters at all in determining, and disseminating, validation findings. The mainstream media has been methodically excluded from the Hunter Biden story precisely because they are worse than useless in ferreting out objective narratives. Most have been politically animated since choosing journalism majors in college to “make a difference”. They needed to direct their creative impulses into a less destructive life path such as Horticulture, or Feng Shui.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 23, 2020, 01:24:44 AM
The trickle continues...

Three cell phones will be presented before a Senate committee tomorrow by Tony Bobulinski. No doubt, the FBI will want to subpoena those in addition to the Hunter laptop. Fortunately for the voting public, we will see the cell phone evidence, just as we have the Hunter laptop evidence, prior to FBI lockdown. :

https://youtu.be/aiiSq7toqlQ

What was Uncle Joe’s debate answer to all of this last night : “Russia”! Yes folks, the Russians dropped that laptop off at the “blind” computer technician’s shop.

1h: 10 m: 45 s (relevant dialogue)

https://youtu.be/bPiofmZGb8o

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 10:42:57 AM
Against my normal reticence at scrolling video, I went to 1:10:45, and Biden was talking about Healthcare.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 10:50:59 AM
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-joe-biden-final-presidential-debate-transcript-2020

Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 23, 2020, 11:34:52 AM
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Is Rudy a reliable narrator?

Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +   
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 23, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
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I take full responsibility. It’s not my fault

This, in a nutshell...
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 23, 2020, 11:40:12 AM
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.
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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.
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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 23, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.

Biden disputed it at the debate.

Also you seem to be conflating a couple different things here. The emails about meeting Ukrainians were 2015 and Bobulinski wasn't in the picture.

The only thing he potentially has information on is the 2017 deal with a Chinese firm. We've yet to see if that deal actually happened.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 01:57:55 PM
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.

No. Hunter brought the laptop to Mac Isaac and signed the receipt that had the caveat that unpicked up, unpaid items become the property of the repairman. Hunter returned a second time and brought in a keypad that he also signed for, then he vanished and would not respond to Isaac's attempts to contact him. After awhile Isaacs became concerned with all the news about Hunter and Joe being involved in scandal, so he copied the hard drive and brought the original to the FBI, where they opened an investigation. (Chain of evidence is the doctrine in law that allows arsonists to escape being proved guilty, when the firemen come into a burning building and overhaul a fire. They toss any flammables out the window, which breaks the chain of evidence so they can't later be checked for fingerprints and admitted as evidence. Isaac maintained control of all items, so everything is admissible.)

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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.

Yes, He is a former prosecutor, with great experience, besides being "America's Mayor." When the FBI warned Isaac that he should "keep quiet or else put himself in danger" he went to wherever he could assume protection, which ended up being Rudy's legal staff.

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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.

In actuality, there are no secret Chinese bank accounts. Trump was an international businessman, and as he did explain in the debate, he had an account in China for his business use, which he closed in 2015. It is Biden who got money from China with no transparency.

There are also no problems with any tax returns. Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to. He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.

Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 23, 2020, 02:04:39 PM
There are also no problems with any tax returns.
Then why not release them?
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Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to.
Its almost like they think he has something to hide.
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He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.
What separate verification? And since when does the IRS charge a "filing fee"?
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Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?

What verification? I've seen allegations but no evidence that the money got to Joe.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 23, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
Drake,

“Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.”

You seem so easily entertained. Use the text if you prefer, but the audio is priceless (minute 48). I don’t know what that counter was reading. Rudy’s alleged role as a Russian dupe was effectively dispelled with DNI John Ratcliffe‘s categorical rebuttal of Democratic claims that the Hunter Biden scandal is part of a Russian disinformation conspiracy.

I also liked the way Joe emphatically asserted that he has ... “never taken money from a foreign government, not once”. Technically he is telling the truth, but using his son as a proxy for political graft is even worse. Tony Bobulinski has already commented upon this Biden extortion tactic, and more will come out in the Senate gearing. Bobulinski is now being requested to make himself available to the FBI for questioning.

Y-22,

“Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns.

I would refuse disclosure of my tax returns too. Where does the notion that strangers are entitled to examine private financial records come from?

“Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have ‘donated’ to the tune of a billion + “


This seems rather shotgun in its approach to excusing Joe. Get specific.

“Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?”

Yes, I wish Hunter would have turned the computer into the FBI himself. Apparently, there are bounds to his stupidity.

RL-22,

“Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.”

If a tax liability is still being determined, there is not much to disclose. I wish that he would have just told Biden to copulate with himself.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 02:15:52 PM
What is there about proven facts that elude you?

What specific allegations do you think have been "proven"? What evidence are you using to justify the use of the word "proven"?

Please be as specific as possible.

Tony Bobulinski has confirmed that Biden had meetings with the eMailers, and the FBI and real journalists have confirmed with the parties involved. The facts are not disputed. You are only clinging to the fallacy that since many MSM organs will not cover it, that it is disputed, There is no longer any disputation.

Biden disputed it at the debate.

Also you seem to be conflating a couple different things here. The emails about meeting Ukrainians were 2015 and Bobulinski wasn't in the picture.

The only thing he potentially has information on is the 2017 deal with a Chinese firm. We've yet to see if that deal actually happened.

Tony Bobulinski wrecked Joe Biden's excusatory lie that he never talked to Hunter about his foreign entanglements. Joe Biden lied again at the debate. Tony gave hard evidence that he was in meetings with Joe, Hunter, and Jim Biden in talks with a Chinese money man, and testified that Joe Biden is "The Big Guy," in Hunter's emails that received a cut from all the family's illegal graft. Actual journalists who are looking to pick up a Pulitzer for real investigative reporting have vetted the claims, and Joe just says Trump takes everything out of context. Joe is toast.

At the debate, Trump said to Biden that, "I ran because of you." Can a President run the country from a jail cell? Biden, his son, his brother, and other members of the Biden crime family may end up in orange jump suits. If this gets pushed beyond the election and Biden somehow manages to win, all these perps will get a pass. Can you live with yourself if that happens?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 02:21:01 PM
Drake,

“Please do make a quote from the debate that supports you. Otherwise you are a *censored*ing joke.”

You seem so easily entertained. Use the text if you prefer, but the audio is priceless (minute 48). I don’t know what that counter was reading. Rudy’s alleged role as a Russian dupe was effectively dispelled with DNI John Ratcliffe‘s categorical rebuttal of Democratic claims that the Hunter Biden scandal is part of a Russian disinformation conspiracy.


Oh so now you're redirecting me from "1h: 10 m: 45 s" to minute 48. No thanks. I gave you the transcript, why don't you quote the words? I don't need to see someone's facial expressions. I'm feeling charitable so I'll do it for you.

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But the point is this, folks. We are in a situation where we have foreign countries trying to interfere in the outcome of our election. His own National Security Advisor told him that what is happening with his buddy… Well, I shouldn’t… Well, I will. His buddy Rudy Giuliani. He’s being used as a Russian pawn. He’s being fed information that is Russian that is not true. And then what happens? Nothing happens. And then you find out that everything that’s going on here, about Russia is wanting to make sure that I do not get elected the next President of the United States, because they know I know them, and they know me.

Let's see what the question was again?

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All right. We’re going to move on to our next section, which is national security. And I do want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from overnight. Just last night, top intelligence officials confirmed again that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained US voter registration information, these officials say, and Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters. This question goes to you, Mr. Vice President. What would you do to put an end to this threat? You have two minutes, uninterrupted.

Trump's answer to the same question was a non-sequitur.

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Well, let me respond to the first part, as Joe answered. Joe got $3.5 million from Russia and it came through Putin, because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow and it was the mayor of Moscow’s wife. And you got $3.5 million. Your family got $3.5 million. And someday you’re going to have to explain, why did you get three and a half? I never got any money from Russia. I don’t get money from Russia.

Which isn't in any way an answer that addresses what he plans to do about Russian interference in the election - regardless of the validity of the statement, which is dubious at best.

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George Mesires, Hunter Biden’s lawyer, told the Washington Post that Biden was not a “co-founder” of Rosemont Seneca Thornton and had “no interest in it”—and “therefore [the] claim that he was paid $3.5 million is false.”

Hunter Biden co-founded an investment firm called Rosemont Seneca Advisors, but there’s no evidence that it has any relationship with Rosemont Seneca Thornton.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 02:25:13 PM
I would refuse disclosure of my tax returns too. Where does the notion that strangers are entitled to examine private financial records come from?

I'll put my tax returns out via docusign to any of you that wants them, redacting only my personal information. Who needs to hide things? I worked for X dollars, claimed Y deductions, and paid my bill. What's so mysterious? Unless you're cheating the American people out of revenue, or embarrassed being caught lying about what you earned, or claiming dependents your family and friends didn't know about.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 23, 2020, 02:35:31 PM
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Or some foreign agent hoping the country will be locked in another 4 years of the Trump quagmire.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 23, 2020, 02:46:34 PM
wmLambert,

You are correct that there is no law requiring him to release his tax returns. I would have said it would be his sense of honor. He said he would release them and he has not.  He did not clarify his statements with " I will release financial documents as required by law". he said he would release his tax returns.  And he has not. He lied.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 23, 2020, 02:58:20 PM
Does it bother anyone about how the laptop has been reported to have been attained, The chain of custody?
Yes.

No. Hunter brought the laptop to Mac Isaac and signed the receipt that had the caveat that unpicked up, unpaid items become the property of the repairman. Hunter returned a second time and brought in a keypad that he also signed for, then he vanished and would not respond to Isaac's attempts to contact him. After awhile Isaacs became concerned with all the news about Hunter and Joe being involved in scandal, so he copied the hard drive and brought the original to the FBI, where they opened an investigation. (Chain of evidence is the doctrine in law that allows arsonists to escape being proved guilty, when the firemen come into a burning building and overhaul a fire. They toss any flammables out the window, which breaks the chain of evidence so they can't later be checked for fingerprints and admitted as evidence. Isaac maintained control of all items, so everything is admissible.)

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Is Rudy a reliable narrator?
No.

Yes, He is a former prosecutor, with great experience, besides being "America's Mayor." When the FBI warned Isaac that he should "keep quiet or else put himself in danger" he went to wherever he could assume protection, which ended up being Rudy's legal staff.

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Those who believe Hunter and so Joe are guilty fear that it makes Joe vulnerable to blackmail or undue influence from foreign powers.
Yet the same people are not concerned at all of Trump's vulnerability to blackmail and undue influence.
-- he owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- He never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Or that Trump has continued to refuse to release his tax returns. Did you see him in the debate last night? What a little cry baby about how unfair the IRS is to him. He could release his returns but he is choosing not to. Nothing about being audited precludes public disclosure.

In actuality, there are no secret Chinese bank accounts. Trump was an international businessman, and as he did explain in the debate, he had an account in China for his business use, which he closed in 2015. It is Biden who got money from China with no transparency.

There are also no problems with any tax returns. Trump did turn over in-depth financial records. There is no law that says he must turn over the thousands of private business records that has accumulated. There is an audit, and his expensive legal representatives told him not to open up any documents he is not required to. He also acknowledged in the debate that although the MSM said he only paid $750 dollars in taxes, he actually paid millions of dollars. Separate verification shows he paid over a million dollars for tax in 2016, and over three million dollars in 2017. The $750 was a filing fee.

Question: has Biden filed anything on the graft he received (and verified) by Russia, China, and other foreign nations?

You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Man you sure are gullible. The document is attributed to "Typhoon Investigations". Wonder who they are?

Turns out, they have a wordpress blog (https://typhooninvestigations.wordpress.com/contact/).

So legitimate! The gravitas is just dripping off the pages! They didn't even bother to register a domain name for $15, their contact address is @protonmail. Their archive page contains exactly one document - about Hunter and Seneca.

But, and I truly thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link (https://qctimes.com/news/national/on-a-photo-of-biden-with-chinese-president-xi-jinping/article_0dde172b-d5b8-5681-8e0c-37d7a8f5ce62.html).

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

Now, there's no dispute that Biden met Xi in public at a school for international studies. But the part that's funny is that the article is about a manipulated photo. It is probably no coincidence that the manipulated photo, changing the legend on the t-shirt to "I <heart> China", was tweeted by the Trump campaign. Now if you were a legitimate threat assessment firm getting paid a fat contract for your specialist analysis, is that REALLY going to be your source for a well established fact?

You could cite CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/17/world/asia/china-vp-visit/index.html) or WP (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/bidens-role-in-us-companies-deals-with-china/2012/06/01/gJQAEcSz7U_blog.html), for example.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: noel c. on October 23, 2020, 04:17:49 PM
Drake,

“What's so mysterious? Unless you're cheating the American people out of revenue, or embarrassed being caught lying about what you earned, or claiming dependents your family and friends didn't know about.“

Or; any number of situations in which public disclosure of tax records could create a competitive disadvantage.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: NobleHunter on October 23, 2020, 04:22:34 PM
Hard to misrepresent yourself to the banks if all your tax information is out there.

Though if he was worried about keeping "trade secrets" maybe he shouldn't have promised to release his returns.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 04:49:09 PM
...You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.

Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust. What does "never separated himself from his business interests with foreign entities" mean in your disinformational mind? The main donators to the Democrats are the Billionaires who think they own Joe Biden. In the Debate, Biden said his average donation was $43. Liar. The Billionaires do the same thing that the Chinese and Russians do: give the money to his family or PACS where he gets a cut.

Trump is a billionaire. He can handle his money legally. Biden is not a wealthy man on paper, yet he lives like one.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
...thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link (https://qctimes.com/news/national/on-a-photo-of-biden-with-chinese-president-xi-jinping/article_0dde172b-d5b8-5681-8e0c-37d7a8f5ce62.html).

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

I clicked on:
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On May 2, BIDEN remarked, “They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. I mean, you know, they're not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they're not, they're not competition for us.”
On May 3, it was reported that BHR invested in Face++, a Chinese surveillance company which develops facial recognition software for law enforcement in China, including targeting ethnic minority Muslims Xinjiang.

In September 2019,
BIDEN said this of HUNTER’s busines deals:

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.

That is not 2012. He said it last night again, yet Tony Bobulinski said he witnessd such meetings where he was completely informed. Biden is still toast. Why do you defend him?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 23, 2020, 05:10:00 PM
He doesn't smell like toast...
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 23, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
Darn those fake news reporters at fake news Foxnews the fake fake news organization: Jacqui Heinrich: Fox News (https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1319508531423436803)

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Jacqui Heinrich
@JacquiHeinrich

I completed searching all of Tony Bobulinski’s emails. They establish:
  • the “Chairman” is China.
  • NO ROLE for Joe Biden in emails/docs
  • Tony Bobulinski states himself there are NO OTHER MEMBERS besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar, and Bobulinski
1:18 AM · Oct 23, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 23, 2020, 05:55:50 PM
...thank you for this giant laugh, I clicked on the footnote 5 link (https://qctimes.com/news/national/on-a-photo-of-biden-with-chinese-president-xi-jinping/article_0dde172b-d5b8-5681-8e0c-37d7a8f5ce62.html).

It supported the report statement:

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On February 17 2012, BIDEN met with Xi, then Vice-President (but soon to be China President) in
California.5

I clicked on:
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On May 2, BIDEN remarked, “They can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. I mean, you know, they're not bad folks, folks. But guess what, they're not, they're not competition for us.”
On May 3, it was reported that BHR invested in Face++, a Chinese surveillance company which develops facial recognition software for law enforcement in China, including targeting ethnic minority Muslims Xinjiang.

In September 2019,
BIDEN said this of HUNTER’s busines deals:

“I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings.

That is not 2012. He said it last night again, yet Tony Bobulinski said he witnessd such meetings where he was completely informed. Biden is still toast. Why do you defend him?

Why would I believe anything else in this bogus "report", knowing who wrote it and how piss poor their research is? I'm not really going to go line by line to refute each and every thing that they commented on.

Why are you defending Typhoon as a legitimate source of information, when their whole deal and editorializing is clearly politically motivated?

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Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust.

What level of cognitive dissonance do you have to achieve to make the assumption that the Bidens talked about business, but the Trumps never do?

Also, I don't think you know what a blind trust is, because Trump ain't got one.

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So what is a blind trust? Here's where we get into the legal bits. The reality is that many Americans don't really know what a trust is, much less a blind trust. That's because, of course, most of us don't directly and knowingly deal with trusts in our daily lives (even though they're all around us - that's a post for another time).

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In contrast, a blind trust keeps certain kind of information - like asset makeup and management - secret from trust beneficiaries. With a blind trust, the beneficiaries do not know the assets held in trust and they have no power to participate in the management or distribution of those assets. The control of the blind trust is held by a trustee (or trustee) who typically has complete discretion over the trust management.

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He doesn't have just one or two investments that could be potential sources of conflict. Rather he has a mix of assets, including real estate like Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago,  and other investments all over the world, with the potential to be sources of conflict. He can't simply transfer those assets into a blind trust because, as Dillon noted, "President Trump can't unknow he owns Trump Tower."

There's nothing blind about trying to host the G7 at Doral.

forbes (https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/01/12/whats-a-blind-trust-anyway-and-why-wont-it-work-for-president-elect-trump/#69c20392725b)
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 23, 2020, 06:00:02 PM
...You pivoted away from Issues that Trump
-- owes 300+ million to unknown foreign entities
-- never separated himself from his business interests which foreign entities and various corporations have "donated" to the tune of a billion +

Your very concerned about Biden's unproven issue while you whitewash Trumps issues that leave him vulnerable.

Are you kidding? Trump's business is in a blind trust. What does "never separated himself from his business interests with foreign entities" mean in your disinformational mind? The main donators to the Democrats are the Billionaires who think they own Joe Biden. In the Debate, Biden said his average donation was $43. Liar. The Billionaires do the same thing that the Chinese and Russians do: give the money to his family or PACS where he gets a cut.

Trump is a billionaire. He can handle his money legally. Biden is not a wealthy man on paper, yet he lives like one.

Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 23, 2020, 06:29:09 PM
Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

I'm frankly curious whether William will be able to acknowledge this point.  It's not exactly contentious...
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 23, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
Your wrong on that. Trumps said during the 2016 election that he was gong to place his business into a blind trust but he never did it.

"Trump has served as president while holding on to his hundreds of businesses. He has continued to promote his Trump-branded properties, spending roughly a third of his presidency on his business interests."

I'm frankly curious whether William will be able to acknowledge this point.  It's not exactly contentious...

I'm frankly curious how far you will go to sell out your honor and integrity. Trump told us all that his kids were put in charge of everything and no one has doubted that except Dems who don't believe the sun rises in the East. Trump works harder than any one we've ever seen in the Oval Office, and has more honor than Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Kamala, and any other Dems you never challenge. What is your rationalization for why you refuse to accept reality?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 23, 2020, 10:37:02 PM
So that's a "no".
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 24, 2020, 09:13:29 AM
Putting your kids in charge is not a blind trust. You get that right? Especially when they are involved with day to day things of the government.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 24, 2020, 09:32:36 AM
Putting your kids in charge is not a blind trust. You get that right? Especially when they are involved with day to day things of the government.

And a blind trust would imply someone managing a stock or asset portfolio you don’t know the contents of. Trump still knows what companies and properties are part of Trump inc.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 12:20:30 AM
...a blind trust would imply someone managing a stock or asset portfolio you don’t know the contents of. Trump still knows what companies and properties are part of Trump inc.

Are you totally clueless? If you owned any major company that is in the news every day, you can be removed from running it, but still be aware of what happens with it. Blind doesn't mean your eyes get plucked out. You do want the best you have to run things for you in your absence.

Biden claims he knows nothing about any dealings his son had, even though hard evidence proves otherwise. Yet, you believe the most pejorative reports from proven liars. Give Trump that same trust. Of all the politicians who ever made promises as a candidate, name anyone who has followed through as well as Trump has? He has earned our trust.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: NobleHunter on October 26, 2020, 09:45:46 AM
Congratulations! You've identified why Trump can't effectively put his companies into a blind trust. Which would be why he didn't even try. Not that he's done even the minimal divestment he claimed.

For the record, I don't hold the lack of a blind trust against Trump (though if he lied about doing it that's another thing), since it was patently obvious he couldn't effective put his assets into a blind trust before he was elected.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 26, 2020, 09:59:33 AM
Again it is not what he did it is that he lied about it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 11:27:29 AM
Again it is not what he did it is that he lied about it.

Again. It is always Biden and the Left who lies. The big news is Hunter's graft and payoffs to Joe Biden. Yet the deflection to moot issues like Trump no longer running his company is uppermost in your minds.

Does anyone here believe Biden has the mental acuity and strength to even run the Presidency by himself? Trump has been out of his companies for close to five years now, and canceled most international projects, at a great personal hit to his income, while donating all of his Presidential salary. Is Biden still getting his cuts from China, Russia, and the other countries that have him wrapped around their fingers? Why are you focusing on what you think hurts Trump and not on Biden's proven incapacity and peculations? The Left and the MSM poured over Kavanaugh's high School yearbook and diaries, yet can't bother to look at Hunter's hard drive. A young man smiling and wearing a MAGA hat was the top story for weeks, yet they can't even bother themselves to look at the proven story of Biden's lies and graft. Three plus years you threw everything you had against Trump's Russian collusion, now we know it was Hillary who told Obama to launch the Russian hoax against Trump to deflect from her email felonies and paid Russian sources for a disinformation dossier. Except for Trump and his supporters, there is no honor or integrity in Washington.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 26, 2020, 12:10:12 PM
Again it is not what he did it is that he lied about it.

Again. It is always Biden and the Left who lies. The big news is Hunter's graft and payoffs to Joe Biden. Yet the deflection to moot issues like Trump no longer running his company is uppermost in your minds.

Does anyone here believe Biden has the mental acuity and strength to even run the Presidency by himself? Trump has been out of his companies for close to five years now, and canceled most international projects, at a great personal hit to his income, while donating all of his Presidential salary. Is Biden still getting his cuts from China, Russia, and the other countries that have him wrapped around their fingers? Why are you focusing on what you think hurts Trump and not on Biden's proven incapacity and peculations? The Left and the MSM poured over Kavanaugh's high School yearbook and diaries, yet can't bother to look at Hunter's hard drive. A young man smiling and wearing a MAGA hat was the top story for weeks, yet they can't even bother themselves to look at the proven story of Biden's lies and graft. Three plus years you threw everything you had against Trump's Russian collusion, now we know it was Hillary who told Obama to launch the Russian hoax against Trump to deflect from her email felonies and paid Russian sources for a disinformation dossier. Except for Trump and his supporters, there is no honor or integrity in Washington.

The denial and misinformation is strong in this one.

"It is always Biden and the Left who lies" That is quite the generalization.

Please identify the International projects that Trump has canceled due to him getting elected. Other then the Russian one which he claimed in 2016 was never happening. 
Trump charges $650 a night for his entourage which includes security personal to stay at his properties. The amount of money that just the secret service has reported having to paid to Trump properties is well above the Presidential salary Trump said he is donating.
It has been reported that since his Presidency Trump company has earned over a billion dollars from countries and companies seeking "favors"
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 26, 2020, 12:28:59 PM
Does anyone here believe Biden has the mental acuity and strength to even run the Presidency by himself?
Trump has pretty much shown that one can remain president, regardless of mental acuity, if you command enough adulation and blindness from your base.

That being said, Biden is clearly more prepared and better suited to be president than Trump has shown himself to be.  Yes, that is a pretty low bar, but "it is what it is".

We're not actually pretending that Trump is actually running the executive branch now, are we? 
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 26, 2020, 01:08:58 PM
Does anyone here believe Biden has the mental acuity and strength to even run the Presidency by himself?
Trump has pretty much shown that one can remain president, regardless of mental acuity, if you command enough adulation and blindness from your base.

That being said, Biden is clearly more prepared and better suited to be president than Trump has shown himself to be.  Yes, that is a pretty low bar, but "it is what it is".

We're not actually pretending that Trump is actually running the executive branch now, are we?

The 60 min interviews were telling. Trump was asked most of the same questions that Biden was asked, But as the incumbent didn't understand that he has to defend his performance where as the one running against gets to respond with what they think should have been done. 
Trump did not appear as having the necessary mental acuity to lead. He came off as a baby. I can't handle the tough questions, Its not fair, I'm a victim, I'm in charge you can't question my answers. 

I believe that Trump very much is running the executive branch as he has removed anyone that might not bow to him. My expectation of Biden is that he will surround himself with capable people and that he has the ability to Listen and parse information.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 01:16:42 PM
Does anyone here believe Biden has the mental acuity and strength to even run the Presidency by himself?
Trump has pretty much shown that one can remain president, regardless of mental acuity, if you command enough adulation and blindness from your base.

That being said, Biden is clearly more prepared and better suited to be president than Trump has shown himself to be.  Yes, that is a pretty low bar, but "it is what it is".

We're not actually pretending that Trump is actually running the executive branch now, are we?

Ar you truly clueless or just pretending to be? Yes, Democrats lie. If you haven't noticed Barrack told 19 big whoppers in his stand-in speech for Biden, since Biden was hiding in the basement again. His crowd of 76 was much larger than what turns out for Biden, but still outnumbered by all the Trump supporters looking on and laughing at them.

BTW: Biden is not better prepared than the average stump in a cut-down forest. He forgot Trumps name last time he spoke and called him "George." In the debate, Biden denied he was against frakking, and when Trump said he was on tape saying it, he told Trump to play them. He did. He proved Biden was lying. Where was the MSM in replaying those tapes? Does Biden know that the plexiglass he wants in restaurants and stores are made with petroleum?

As for Biden being better suited to be President, what are you smoking? For 47 years his record was embarrassing. His opponents can point at almost anything he did to prove his inadequacy. His racist rhetoric and backing his KKK mentors is embarrassing. His calling young Black men super-predators is all over YouTube. His meager political salary has never added up to an ability to live in a ten million dollar home and have a three million dollar vacation home on the seashore. The record of his family is embarrassing. He even lied about his first wife and child being killed by a drunk driver. Nothing is sacred to him. His son and other family members are all wealthy based on his political machinations, and Hunter chided the whole family for him supporting them for years, without thanks, or having to kick back 50% of whatever they got to the "Big Guy."

You dare to say anything bad about Trump, but refuse to admit who he is running against.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 01:32:23 PM
...The 60 min interviews were telling. Trump was asked most of the same questions that Biden was asked, But as the incumbent didn't understand that he has to defend his performance where as the one running against gets to respond with what they think should have been done. 
Trump did not appear as having the necessary mental acuity to lead. He came off as a baby. I can't handle the tough questions, Its not fair, I'm a victim, I'm in charge you can't question my answers.
 
Thank God, Trump released the entire 60 Minutes interview so we can see how it was rigged. No, Biden did not get the same level of attack questions as did Trump. Saying so proves your own bias. Trump did not "Act the baby." He tried to set the record straight, even though most questions were of the "Have you stopped beating your wife?" variety. There is no way to answer wrongfully accusatory questions without challenging the question,which he did perfectly. And also, no one running against gets to only respond with what should have been done, when that person's own actions and words were exactly opposite of what he says should have been done.

...I believe that Trump very much is running the executive branch as he has removed anyone that might not bow to him. My expectation of Biden is that he will surround himself with capable people and that he has the ability to Listen and parse information.

Again, very elusive with the logic. The people who Trump removed were working against him, and often revealed them selves as Never-Trumpers after being dismissed. One of his main campaign promises was to get rid of the power from the political swamp. He attacks them as theu come into the light, but like in the upper ranks of the Intelligence agencies, they live in the shadows and work against their own country.

As for Biden listening to anyone, that is a fool's response. He can't remember the office he is running for or what his opponent's name is, or even what city or state he is in. He says he would do what Trump has already done and acts as if it hadn't already been put in place. He may do whatever his handlers tell him to do, but if he leads at all, it will be from the rear. The Green New Deal. in its entirety, is on his website, and was called the basic framework for all he will do. Not a Biden plan, but whoever puts something in front of the serial plagiarist.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 26, 2020, 02:58:12 PM
Did you watch the 60 min version of the interviews?

Without paying attention to the answers
Pay attention to the questions asked both Trump and Biden.

Both candidates had their answers questioned only one candidate remained cool.

I'm worried your TDS is clouding your ability of discernment.


Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 06:21:20 PM
Did you watch the 60 min version of the interviews?

Without paying attention to the answers
Pay attention to the questions asked both Trump and Biden.

Both candidates had their answers questioned only one candidate remained cool.

I'm worried your TDS is clouding your ability of discernment.

No. The question is, did you see the full tape of the entire questioning that Trump released? If you only see the edited version, you haven't a clue, so don't act knowledgeable when you are being had.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 06:27:19 PM
Big news breaking against Biden. ...But it is hard to actually see the videos or the posts, because of Big Tech blocking.

Just so you know what is being kept from you: There are hard porn photos of Hunter and underage victims. At least one is a relative that Joe and his wife are said to have colluded to cover up. Evidently, China has all the info and released four more photos of Hunter having actionable sex while smoking Crack.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 26, 2020, 06:33:01 PM
Big news breaking against Biden. ...But it is hard to actually see the videos or the posts, because of Big Tech blocking.

Just so you know what is being kept from you: There are hard porn photos of Hunter and underage victims. At least one is a relative that Joe and his wife are said to have colluded to cover up. Evidently, China has all the info and released four more photos of Hunter having actionable sex while smoking Crack.

Or we have our first deep fakes of the election season.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 07:31:56 PM
Big news breaking against Biden. ...But it is hard to actually see the videos or the posts, because of Big Tech blocking.

Just so you know what is being kept from you: There are hard porn photos of Hunter and underage victims. At least one is a relative that Joe and his wife are said to have colluded to cover up. Evidently, China has all the info and released four more photos of Hunter having actionable sex while smoking Crack.

Or we have our first deep fakes of the election season.

Like I said. The MSM poured over Kavanaugh's Yearbook and calendars, yet won't bother to look at Hunter Biden's hard drive. They kept a story alive for weeks about a young man smiling while wearing a MAGA hat, yet won't allow a major story by the nation's fourth largest newspaper to be reprinted or even discussed. Everything about the hard drive is verified from chain of custody to checking the other sides of the emails. No fictitious material. Even Hunter's business partner stated personal meetings with Joe Biden being fully informed about Hunter's business dealings. Everything is real, yet the anti-Trumpers refuse to be real journalists. I'm surprised so many here in this forum are so clueless, and proud of it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: cherrypoptart on October 26, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
It's sad when you can get more reliable information nowadays from Russian media than you can from American so called journalists who bury everything that doesn't fit their agenda. That's probably why our media is so upset about "Russian interference", because it is interfering with their ability to hide reality from Americans.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 26, 2020, 07:49:16 PM
Are you suggesting you can more readily access Russian propaganda on Russian media sites? 

Colour me shocked.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 26, 2020, 07:59:34 PM
Like I said. The MSM poured over Kavanaugh's Yearbook and calendars, yet won't bother to look at Hunter Biden's hard drive.

The MSM doesn’t have the hard drive. Rudy only gave it to the post. So now you expect them to run stories without being able to access the source material?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 26, 2020, 08:39:24 PM
Like I said. The MSM poured over Kavanaugh's Yearbook and calendars, yet won't bother to look at Hunter Biden's hard drive.

The MSM doesn’t have the hard drive. Rudy only gave it to the post. So now you expect them to run stories without being able to access the source material?

And the Post reporter that Rudy evidently gave it to is claiming he's offered to share it, but nobody is taking him up on it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: cherrypoptart on October 26, 2020, 08:43:28 PM
Sometimes you look at their so called propaganda or the stories coming out of their media and then you look at the stories coming out of our media and you compare and contrast the two and just look at which one comes closer to the reality of the world and their media actually comes out on top.

You can look at their stories and then verify them independently including with American media sources, though not American mainstream media sources with a leftist agenda, to determine their accuracy. So it's not that the Russian media is lying. Not always anyway. It's that they often tell stories that the mainstream American media decides not to tell or tells only partially. You can often times see the same thing with the British media too. They will tell stories that the mainstream American media doesn't want to run or just does a quick drive by story on and then buries it. And that hits the other point about it too as far as truth telling. Often the American media will cover the story in a half-hearted and obligatory manner just to cover their bases but the don't go in-depth or answer many of the obvious questions so to get the whole story you have to go to the British media or sometimes the Russian media.

You can see the same thing in reverse with Fox News which won't cover most of the things you'll see on Al Jazeera. Does that mean that Al Jazeera is lying and it's total propaganda? Well, Al Jazeera isn't lying. They are showing us reality that Fox News won't show. Isn't propaganda anyway like the Russian news? If it can be propaganda and true at the same time then sure. It's the truth fitted to an agenda. And how is that different from what we're getting from our own mainstream media? What they tell us is true as far as it goes but it only goes as far as necessary to fit their agenda.

You could really see it in the yahoo news comments section where someone would share a link to another news source, often foreign, that filled in the gaps and gave the details that almost always didn't fit the liberal agenda so were omitted from the American version of the story. And now yahoo news suspended all comments, perhaps until after the election, so it's harder to find out what the American media isn't telling us.

The only way to get to reality since there isn't really any news that is unbiased nowadays is to look at it from one side and then look at it from the other to offset the parallax error.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 26, 2020, 09:07:43 PM
And the Post reporter that Rudy evidently gave it to is claiming he's offered to share it, but nobody is taking him up on it.
How exactly would he be able to do that, if the hard drive is in the possession of the FBI?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: LetterRip on October 26, 2020, 09:20:45 PM
Cherry,

Russian media 'report' exactly what they are told to without regard to facts.  They are state controlled and run complete fabrications when it suits Putins purposes.

It is rather disheartening to hear you believe they are reporting the 'hidden story'.

Anywhere Russia believes they have a strategic interest - Ukraine, Baltic, US, Russia - the stories are completely unreliable.

See

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Pillars-of-Russia%25E2%2580%2599s-Disinformation-and-Propaganda-Ecosystem_08-04-20.pdf

for a recent report on the Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns including official media.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 26, 2020, 10:50:02 PM
And the Post reporter that Rudy evidently gave it to is claiming he's offered to share it, but nobody is taking him up on it.
How exactly would he be able to do that, if the hard drive is in the possession of the FBI?

Mack Isaac made copies of the Hunter Biden hard drive that he owned, because he was afraid of repercussions from it in the midst of the impeachment. Good thing he did, as the FBI seemed to disappeared it. After he turned over the original to the FBI, but didn't hear anything more except threats not to make waves, he looked for someone he could trust to keep him safe. He took it to Rudy's legal staff because journalism died in 2007. They got it to the Post but the MSM and big tech refused to even look at it. All the copies of the hard drive were under the seal of chain of custody and admissible in court.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: cherrypoptart on October 26, 2020, 10:57:57 PM
Trying to think of an example here and one might be the way the U.S. media covered the DNC hack. They focused on the fact that there was a DNC hack and it was perpetrated by Russia. Fine. Accurate enough.

But what they didn't talk about that Russian media of course was more than willing to go into detail about were the revelations of the hack, about how corrupt the DNC is and the collusion between CNN and Hillary Clinton to rig the debate by providing her with the questions in advance. So if you just listen to the U.S. mainstream media you don't get all of the available information and end up living in a reality bubble. Of course Fox covered it so there is that but the rest of the media glossed over it and it wasn't because of the way the information was obtained either. If it had been about Trump or the Republicans they wouldn't hesitate to publish and shout it from the rooftops no matter how ill-gotten the goods.

If the truth is also propaganda does that make it right to hide it?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 27, 2020, 12:00:02 AM
I understand that you are incapable of seeing the problem there, William, but most other people have no problem doing so.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 27, 2020, 02:19:03 AM
And the Post reporter that Rudy evidently gave it to is claiming he's offered to share it, but nobody is taking him up on it.
How exactly would he be able to do that, if the hard drive is in the possession of the FBI?

The drive was copied before being turned over to the FBI.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 27, 2020, 02:23:41 AM
I understand that you are incapable of seeing the problem there, William, but most other people have no problem doing so.

Trump's tax return summaries anyone? They were not released in any kind of legal manner, and not subject to third party verification beyond the New York Times saying it's Trump's Tax summary. No effort to suppress the illegally obtained information at all.

But the moment someone with a clear and compelling case of having a legal chain of custody on potential evidence regarding the Bidens? Try to call it a Russian Hoax, even after US Government officials say no intel indicates russia, and there are third parties verifying the e-mail contents...

But the MSM goes radio silent, tries to debunk it, or claims the information was "illegally obtained" (What about the Trump's taxes again?) instead?

Really?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 27, 2020, 10:15:26 AM
Trump's tax return summaries anyone? They were not released in any kind of legal manner, and not subject to third party verification beyond the New York Times saying it's Trump's Tax summary. No effort to suppress the illegally obtained information at all.

But the moment someone with a clear and compelling case of having a legal chain of custody on potential evidence regarding the Bidens? Try to call it a Russian Hoax, even after US Government officials say no intel indicates russia, and there are third parties verifying the e-mail contents...

But the MSM goes radio silent, tries to debunk it, or claims the information was "illegally obtained" (What about the Trump's taxes again?) instead?

Really?

The MSM is rightfully skeptical of the laptop. Its possible some of the material is legit, some of the emails for instance. But its also likely that there is misinformation on the laptop. I think its safe to say that there isn't child porn starring Hunter on the drive or we would have seen arrests. Or if those videos are on the drive the FBI has concluded they are fakes. And if the laptop contains some hacked emails and some misinformation then the MSM is rightly ignoring the story as disinformation.

And the only thing the media would have access to is something that claims to be a copy of the drive that has been in the hands of Rudy. Every single item on that drive would need to be independently verified before they could publish anything about it.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 27, 2020, 11:28:24 AM
I understand that you are incapable of seeing the problem there, William, but most other people have no problem doing so.

Trump's tax return summaries anyone? They were not released in any kind of legal manner, and not subject to third party verification beyond the New York Times saying it's Trump's Tax summary. No effort to suppress the illegally obtained information at all.

But the moment someone with a clear and compelling case of having a legal chain of custody on potential evidence regarding the Bidens? Try to call it a Russian Hoax, even after US Government officials say no intel indicates russia, and there are third parties verifying the e-mail contents...

But the MSM goes radio silent, tries to debunk it, or claims the information was "illegally obtained" (What about the Trump's taxes again?) instead?

Really?
Without access to the drive itself, it is not possible to validate metadata, disk sectors, file system structures, all things that would go into verifying the data, of which the provenance is in question.

For Trump's tax returns - it would be academic to show that the data was incorrect: Trump could simply release his tax returns and prove the New York Times was either lying or being played.  Also, the New York Times has a reputation to guard, and business interests at stake; they would be liable.  Giuliani, if the laptop is shown to have been faked, is not going to suffer from passing it on.  Similarly for the NY Post - they are reporting on the existence of the laptop. And neither really has any reputation at stake.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 27, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
...I think its safe to say that there isn't child porn starring Hunter on the drive or we would have seen arrests. Or if those videos are on the drive the FBI has concluded they are fakes. And if the laptop contains some hacked emails and some misinformation then the MSM is rightly ignoring the story as disinformation.

And the only thing the media would have access to is something that claims to be a copy of the drive that has been in the hands of Rudy. Every single item on that drive would need to be independently verified before they could publish anything about it.

Exactly. The normal procedure with child endangerment is immediate action with proof to follow. Since the instant reaction is missing, someone interfered with normal procedure. There is no way pictures of Hunter having sex with Malia Obama that have now surfaced would not hove required inmediate action. As a professional in the film industry, I know that pix can be Photoshopped, but video is much harder to spoof.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 27, 2020, 12:59:22 PM
You've looked the other way for Clinton, Epstein, Weinstein, and now Hunter. Good record.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 27, 2020, 01:14:07 PM
Well now it's official. You will believe literally anything.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: rightleft22 on October 27, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
You've looked the other way for Clinton, Epstein, Weinstein, and now Hunter. Good record.

You looked away from everything Trump and his kids - Good record. You have no credibility.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 27, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
Clinton lost his law license, Epstein was arrested and going to trial when he died. Weinstein has been arrested and is in the process of being tried or worse. What have they been ignoring?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 27, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
You've looked the other way for Clinton, Epstein, Weinstein, and now Hunter. Good record.

Is that directed at me? I had never heard of Epstein or Weinstein until they were in the process of being outed and arrested and I never posted any defense of either. I haven't posted much in support of Bill's sexcapades either, I may of said at some point there isn't evidence he's a rapist, but that's about as strong as my defense of him went.

If there is real evidence of Hunter committing statutory rape then I'll call for him to be arrested as well. But the fact that not even the NYP ran with that story makes me think they believe the video (if one exists) has been faked.

Imagine if some video and tech savvy individuals made a realistic looking film showing Trump committing a crime involving children. Then dropped it off with a blind computer tech claiming to be Don Jr. When the video came to light should Trump be immediately arrested and then be released once the video was shown to be a forgery? 
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 27, 2020, 01:56:56 PM
Also, if Hunter did have sex with minors, unless there is proof his father knew and covered it, how does that make Joe less of a candidate? The sins of the son prevent the father from being a good man?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 27, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
Also, if Hunter did have sex with minors, unless there is proof his father knew and covered it, how does that make Joe less of a candidate? The sins of the son prevent the father from being a good man?

Okay, challenge accepted. Let's look at creepy Joe Biden, who likes to touch little girls and other men's wives in uncomfortable ways and sniff their hair. He even fantasizes about little kids rubbing their hands up and down his legs to feel his little blonde leg hairs. Joe has always been creepy. Who but a self-rationalizing creep plagiarizes anything and everything to get ahead? Even when Hunter was supposedly in rehab, his hard drive showed him smoking crack, with no parental incentive to stop. The emails have been verified by simply contacting the other parties in the email chain and verifying the emails were legitimate. Please explain why that is not acceptable to you.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 27, 2020, 04:17:16 PM
Also, if Hunter did have sex with minors, unless there is proof his father knew and covered it, how does that make Joe less of a candidate? The sins of the son prevent the father from being a good man?
... Even when Hunter was supposedly in rehab, his hard drive showed him smoking crack, with no parental incentive to stop. The emails have been verified by simply contacting the other parties in the email chain and verifying the emails were legitimate. Please explain why that is not acceptable to you.

This is the point I made above. Even if someone got a hold of some legitimate emails it does nothing to authenticate anything else on the drive. Also Hunter is 50 years old, he's a little past the point where Joe can send him to his room.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 29, 2020, 09:36:06 AM
And... Tucker Carlson's dog ate his homework.  'Damning' Hunter Biden documents mysteriously vanish in transit to Los Angeles, Tucker says (https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-hunter-biden-documents-vanish-los-angeles)

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A shipment of "damning" documents linked to Hunter Biden and his father mysteriously disappeared in transit to Los Angeles, Fox News host Tucker Carlson revealed on his show Wednesday night.


"There is always a lot going on that we don't have time to get to on the air," the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host told his audience, "but there is something specific going on behind the screens that we did feel like we should tell you about.

"On Monday of this week, we received from a source a collection of confidential documents related to the Biden family," Carlson went on. "We believe they are authentic, they're real and they're damning."

How very... convenient.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 29, 2020, 09:49:02 AM
And... Tucker Carlson's dog ate his homework.  'Damning' Hunter Biden documents mysteriously vanish in transit to Los Angeles, Tucker says (https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-hunter-biden-documents-vanish-los-angeles)

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A shipment of "damning" documents linked to Hunter Biden and his father mysteriously disappeared in transit to Los Angeles, Fox News host Tucker Carlson revealed on his show Wednesday night.


"There is always a lot going on that we don't have time to get to on the air," the "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host told his audience, "but there is something specific going on behind the screens that we did feel like we should tell you about.

"On Monday of this week, we received from a source a collection of confidential documents related to the Biden family," Carlson went on. "We believe they are authentic, they're real and they're damning."

How very... convenient.

Clearly a case of the deep state postal service workers colluding for Biden. </sarc>
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 29, 2020, 10:02:25 AM
You mean Deep State FedEx or UPS or DHL since Carlson knew the USPS has been intentionally slowing down the mail at election time.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 29, 2020, 05:44:50 PM
...Clearly a case of the deep state postal service workers colluding for Biden. </sarc>

No, a case of some Biden operative who is so afraid of info getting out that they are willing to break the law in order to protect him.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: cherrypoptart on October 29, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
It looks like they found it. Thank goodness they went with UPS instead of the U.S. Postal Service.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 29, 2020, 07:48:36 PM
There is an investigative report circulating now, but little confirmation of just which intel agency leaked it. It looks like the FBI - but without more info, it is just a useful tool to see what is out there. It names all the players. If it is the FBI, then some patriot is afraid the info will be buried until after the election.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/KVBJHB.pdf

Man you sure are gullible. The document is attributed to "Typhoon Investigations". Wonder who they are?

Turns out, they have a wordpress blog (https://typhooninvestigations.wordpress.com/contact/).

So legitimate! The gravitas is just dripping off the pages! They didn't even bother to register a domain name for $15, their contact address is @protonmail. Their archive page contains exactly one document - about Hunter and Seneca.

It get's getter.  NBC News: How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387)

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The document, a 64-page composition that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump, appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, according to researchers and public documents.

The author of the document, a self-identified Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen, is a fabricated identity, according to analysis by disinformation researchers, who also concluded that Aspen's profile picture was created with an artificial intelligence face generator. The intelligence firm that Aspen lists as his previous employer said that no one by that name had ever worked for the company

William, what will it take to make you question your sources of information?

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDrake on October 29, 2020, 09:53:38 PM
William, what will it take to make you question just one of your sources of information? It seems your entire criteria is if they support your agenda or don't.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 29, 2020, 10:10:58 PM
...Clearly a case of the deep state postal service workers colluding for Biden. </sarc>

No, a case of some Biden operative who is so afraid of info getting out that they are willing to break the law in order to protect him.
Now, how exactly would that work?  Clearly, there would have been copies made of the documents, so stealing these copies would have achieved literally nothing.  Why would somebody have risked their career over stealing copies of documents?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on October 30, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Just to prove to Lambert that the Left isn't completely ignoring the story, here's a post from a liberal professor who thinks Biden is too conservative (https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2020/10/30/americas-mayor-everyone/), giving Guiliani full rein to tell it like it is! :)

Of course, Rudy is about what's left of those touting the story.  As ElectoralVote.com points out (https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Oct30.html#item-4):

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[T]he Hunter Biden e-mail/corruption story ... hasn't taken hold outside of the far-right-wing media bubble. There are a number of reasons why: (1) the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese; (2) the whole thing reeks of desperation; (3) the key figures in bringing "the truth" to light are Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, who aren't exactly the most credible folks in the world; (4) every time there are new "revelations," they are published by outlets like The Daily Mail, The New York Post, and Gateway Pundit, which aren't exactly the most credible media outlets in the world; and (5) even many right-wing outlets, like Fox and The Wall Street Journal, have conceded that even if the claims about Hunter Biden are true, there is nothing to implicate his father.

In view of this, and with Election Day just four days away, TrumpWorld (politicians and media) have shifted (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131) their approach. Now, instead of focusing on corruption in the Biden family, they are trying to spin this into a story about corruption in the media. "Why is the fake news trying to bury this story?" is the general idea. Of course, that spin implicitly acknowledges that there is little smoke and no fire here, and so provides its own answer to the question that is being raised.

Also, there is still the open question of exactly what laws were broken by Hunter's dealings.  Is providing "access" to a politician a crime?  Is being on a foreign business board a crime?  And please don't repeat that old canard that Joe fired the Ukrainian prosecutor because he was looking into Hunter.  No one believe that  anymore.  ::)
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 30, 2020, 12:20:07 PM
Further to that - I think the country is simply getting exhausted by the far-right's surrender to personal attack as the exclusive argument for voting for their candidate. 8 Benghazis, several Wikileaks, pizzagate, an Obamagate and several Huntergates later, with absolutely nothing to show for it, and people are starting to wise up - when reporting on false narratives is the only way to convince people, and when that becomes obvious to the people being targeted, the desired effect starts getting lost.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 30, 2020, 02:17:25 PM
Just to prove to Lambert that the Left isn't completely ignoring the story, here's a post from a liberal professor who thinks Biden is too conservative (https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2020/10/30/americas-mayor-everyone/), giving Guiliani full rein to tell it like it is! :)

Of course, Rudy is about what's left of those touting the story.  As ElectoralVote.com points out (https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Oct30.html#item-4):

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[T]he Hunter Biden e-mail/corruption story ... hasn't taken hold outside of the far-right-wing media bubble. There are a number of reasons why: (1) the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese; (2) the whole thing reeks of desperation; (3) the key figures in bringing "the truth" to light are Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon, who aren't exactly the most credible folks in the world; (4) every time there are new "revelations," they are published by outlets like The Daily Mail, The New York Post, and Gateway Pundit, which aren't exactly the most credible media outlets in the world; and (5) even many right-wing outlets, like Fox and The Wall Street Journal, have conceded that even if the claims about Hunter Biden are true, there is nothing to implicate his father.

In view of this, and with Election Day just four days away, TrumpWorld (politicians and media) have shifted (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-theoryhunter-biden-433131) their approach. Now, instead of focusing on corruption in the Biden family, they are trying to spin this into a story about corruption in the media. "Why is the fake news trying to bury this story?" is the general idea. Of course, that spin implicitly acknowledges that there is little smoke and no fire here, and so provides its own answer to the question that is being raised.

Also, there is still the open question of exactly what laws were broken by Hunter's dealings.  Is providing "access" to a politician a crime?  Is being on a foreign business board a crime?  And please don't repeat that old canard that Joe fired the Ukrainian prosecutor because he was looking into Hunter.  No one believe that  anymore.  ::)

What are you drinking? Taking money from foreigners for influence peddling is not a crime? Are you serious? Yesterday we had a release from the confirmed and vetted Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that was a recording of him lashing out at his father for taking the goodies away from him and ruining his life. He said Joe had reached out to Devon Archer on the Chinese graft rather than to him and felt he was being bypassed. As scummy a lowlife as he has proven to be, he was actually playing the victim. These are the people you champion?

No one has said "the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese." Everything is corroborated. Especially how the MSM and Big Tech has pulled out all the stops to avoid publishing the proof. It is pitiful the depths the Biden apologists are going to avoid facing the music.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 30, 2020, 02:21:51 PM
BTW; please explain how Joe Biden earned $16 million in the two years after he was out of office. No book deals. Nothing except government pensions. Where are the journalists asking questions?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 30, 2020, 02:28:41 PM
What are you drinking? Taking money from foreigners for influence peddling is not a crime? Are you serious? Yesterday we had a release form the confirmed and vetted Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that was a recording of him lashing out at his father for taking the goodies away from him and ruining his life.

Again you aren't using confirmed and vetted in their common understanding. A few of the emails off the drive have been confirmed and vetted, but we're still well short of the hard drive copy that Rudy has being a confirmed and vetted copy of a computer actually belonging to Hunter.

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He said Joe had reached out to Devon Archer on the Chinese graft rather than to him and felt he was being bypassed. As scummy a lowlife as he has proven to be, he was actually playing the victim. These are the people you champion?

No one has said "the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese." Everything is corroborated. Especially how the MSM and Big Tech has pulled out all the stops to avoid publishing the proof. It is pitiful the depths the Biden apologists are going to avoid facing the music.

He literally quoted a website saying the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese. So there is at least one person/group saying that. You have extreme blinders for data/people that contradict your world view and believe the right wing and Trump to the point of being gullible.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 30, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
BTW; please explain how Joe Biden earned $16 million in the two years after he was out of office. No book deals. Nothing except government pensions. Where are the journalists asking questions?
The question I have is - why would you make such an obviously incorrect, yet easily verified statement?

You have years, you have specific claims (no books, nothing except government pensions) and it would have taken 5 seconds to check any of that.  Is it your goal to be seen as... lightweight?

From FoxBusiness (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/joe-biden-tax-returns-2020-election)
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The spike in wealth was largely attributed to sales of his 2017 book: "Promise Me, Dad," a best-selling book about the final year of his son Beau's life, came out in November 2017, almost two years after Beau died. Biden also made 47 paid speaking engagements from January 2017 through the end of May 2019, a majority of which were for the book tour. In total, he received about $4.29 million in fees from those speeches. 
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 30, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
BTW; please explain how Joe Biden earned $16 million in the two years after he was out of office. No book deals. Nothing except government pensions. Where are the journalists asking questions?

Like other former presidents and VPs by speaking gigs. As a professor at UPenn and with a book deal.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a31265187/joe-biden-net-worth/ (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a31265187/joe-biden-net-worth/)

If you care I'm sure you could dig up his tax returns as well. But $100k per speaking engagement adds up quick.

Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on October 30, 2020, 02:39:43 PM
William means no book he would read.

Also, Bidens' book had to have been ghost written since no president or VP ever has had a book ghost written, unlike Trump who writes all his own books. Especially those under the pen name of Tony Scwartz
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 30, 2020, 02:49:14 PM
What are you drinking? Taking money from foreigners for influence peddling is not a crime? Are you serious? Yesterday we had a release form the confirmed and vetted Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that was a recording of him lashing out at his father for taking the goodies away from him and ruining his life.

Again you aren't using confirmed and vetted in their common understanding. A few of the emails off the drive have been confirmed and vetted, but we're still well short of the hard drive copy that Rudy has being a confirmed and vetted copy of a computer actually belonging to Hunter.

Yes I am. The info is from the Senate Select committee and the FBI that has confirmed all the details. The entire laptop is in the custody of the FBI with unbrojen chain of custody. Just as importantly, the Biden campaign nor the Biden family have said the computer is not what it is purported to be. It was dam Schiff who claimed it was Russian collusion, which was immediately ruled a lie by ALL the investigators. There are currently two criminal investigations into this. The oldest one had a separate child porn involved which should have required immediate response, yet somehow got ignored, without claiming not being factual. There is much for Joe to answer for.

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He said Joe had reached out to Devon Archer on the Chinese graft rather than to him and felt he was being bypassed. As scummy a lowlife as he has proven to be, he was actually playing the victim. These are the people you champion?

No one has said "the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese." Everything is corroborated. Especially how the MSM and Big Tech has pulled out all the stops to avoid publishing the proof. It is pitiful the depths the Biden apologists are going to avoid facing the music.

He literally quoted a website saying the story is so full of holes it could pass for Swiss cheese. So there is at least one person/group saying that. You have extreme blinders for data/people that contradict your world view and believe the right wing and Trump to the point of being gullible.

There is no one claiming that, using facts. There is no question the Biden apologists want there to be Russian collusion or something else to deflect from Joe's Treason, but so far, no one has denied a single fact, and everything checked so far is confirmed. Crying about meta data is just more deflection. The copies that Mack Issac made are also covered by the chain of custody. All the evidence has proven truthful and uncorrupted, and admissible in court. Hunter lied. Joe lied. Tony Bobulinski outed them with first person testimony. The forensic investigations document everything. Who do you claim as your naysayers?
Adam Schiff? Can't be him, his own investigators said he lied.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 30, 2020, 03:12:22 PM
What are you drinking? Taking money from foreigners for influence peddling is not a crime? Are you serious? Yesterday we had a release form the confirmed and vetted Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that was a recording of him lashing out at his father for taking the goodies away from him and ruining his life.

Again you aren't using confirmed and vetted in their common understanding. A few of the emails off the drive have been confirmed and vetted, but we're still well short of the hard drive copy that Rudy has being a confirmed and vetted copy of a computer actually belonging to Hunter.

Yes I am. The info is from the Senate Select committee and the FBI that has confirmed all the details. The entire laptop is in the custody of the FBI with unbrojen chain of custody. Just as importantly, the Biden campaign nor the Biden family have said the computer is not what it is purported to be.

Okay, I'm going to cut your response there and respond. What specific info? A few emails have been confirmed I haven't seen anything else be confirmed, like a Ukrainian meeting with Biden in DC in 2015.

The laptop is with the FBI, no one has publicly verified its actually Hunter's. The blind computer Tech in Delaware can't identify who dropped it off.

Biden claimed during the debate the laptop was fake.

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“There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plant,” Biden said at the debate. The former vice president said those former officials had concluded that what Trump was citing about his son was “a bunch of garbage.”

And is it your assertation that the FBI has confirmed they have evidence of statutory rape and are doing nothing about it? Because I would like to see that statement from the FBI. The only thing I've seen the FBI say is "no comment."
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 30, 2020, 03:32:12 PM
What are you drinking? Taking money from foreigners for influence peddling is not a crime? Are you serious? Yesterday we had a release form the confirmed and vetted Hunter Biden Laptop hard drive that was a recording of him lashing out at his father for taking the goodies away from him and ruining his life.

Again you aren't using confirmed and vetted in their common understanding. A few of the emails off the drive have been confirmed and vetted, but we're still well short of the hard drive copy that Rudy has being a confirmed and vetted copy of a computer actually belonging to Hunter.

Yes I am. The info is from the Senate Select committee and the FBI that has confirmed all the details. The entire laptop is in the custody of the FBI with unbrojen chain of custody. Just as importantly, the Biden campaign nor the Biden family have said the computer is not what it is purported to be.

Okay, I'm going to cut your response there and respond. What specific info? A few emails have been confirmed I haven't seen anything else be confirmed, like a Ukrainian meeting with Biden in DC in 2015.

The laptop is with the FBI, no one has publicly verified its actually Hunter's. The blind computer Tech in Delaware can't identify who dropped it off.

Biden claimed during the debate the laptop was fake.

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“There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plant,” Biden said at the debate. The former vice president said those former officials had concluded that what Trump was citing about his son was “a bunch of garbage.”

And is it your assertation that the FBI has confirmed they have evidence of statutory rape and are doing nothing about it? Because I would like to see that statement from the FBI. The only thing I've seen the FBI say is "no comment."

Yes, the only thing you've seen from the FBI was, "No comment." However; the duplicate hard drives (still admissible in court) have given us the video and sound files of child porn and child endangerment. These were turned over to local law enforcement recently, when the FBI stonewalled releasing info that should have been acted upon. Since Mac Isaac owns the hard drives, he can choose to release the info legally to the public. That you haven't seen anything is on you and your sources.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 30, 2020, 03:39:41 PM
Are your sources the same ones that stated that Biden did not release a book in 2017, and did not give speaking engagements in the 2 years following his vice presidency?

Or the one that sent you down the Typhoon Investigations black hole?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: yossarian22c on October 30, 2020, 04:13:32 PM
Yes, the only thing you've seen from the FBI was, "No comment." However; the duplicate hard drives (still admissible in court) have given us the video and sound files of child porn and child endangerment. These were turned over to local law enforcement recently, when the FBI stonewalled releasing info that should have been acted upon. Since Mac Isaac owns the hard drives, he can choose to release the info legally to the public. That you haven't seen anything is on you and your sources.

How does "No comment" count as verifying all details of what you allege? I'll trust the FBI to do their jobs. I seriously doubt whatever their personal political beliefs that anyone joined the FBI to turn the other way when given solid evidence of a 50 year old man raping a teen.

One key fact, we know Mac Isaac got the hard drive from someone. Since he's blind he can't confirm it was in fact Hunter Biden who gave him the laptop in Delaware while Hunter was living in California.

If this evidence is so convincing and damning why are even conservative media outlets like the NYP and Fox News not putting forth a compelling case. All we have so far that involves Joe Biden is an allegation he took one meeting with someone from Burisma. That allegation was denied strenuously and it was confirmed by his staff that no such meeting was on his schedule for the days in question.

The reality is they realize if they release too much of this crap at some point someone is going to be able to prove something was faked. Once anything on the drive is shown to be faked the story is dead and completely backfires on Trump.

Just consider how unlikely it would be for Hunter to make a video of himself complaining about his Dad cutting him out of some business deal. Why would he be recording himself doing that? Why would he make and keep videos of himself doing drugs and having sex with teens? Why would he keep it on his laptop for years then abandon it with a blind ardent Trump supporter? This story makes no sense.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on October 30, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
Even if the emails verified were legitimate, how do we know someone didn't add fake ones to the hard drive?  How do we know the videos weren't added to the hard drive?  How hard would that be?

Lambert, for eight years I listened to your same sources swear up-and-down that Obama was born in Kenya and wasn't legally President.

I'm going to need more than those people to convince me there is anything even looking at in this one.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 30, 2020, 08:59:21 PM
Even if the emails verified were legitimate, how do we know someone didn't add fake ones to the hard drive?  How do we know the videos weren't added to the hard drive?  How hard would that be?

Because of the chain of evidence. Since the computer's chain of custody was never violated, Mack Isaac has testified of its integrity as it was given into his custody. Since the paperwork establishes it was given to him from Hunter Biden, himself, what is on it is attributed to Hunter unless he can prove alterations before he turned it over. That has not been done.

Lambert, for eight years I listened to your same sources swear up-and-down that Obama was born in Kenya and wasn't legally President.

That was not my sources. That was Hillary's associate, Phillip J. Berg. (Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 15 Filed 10/06/2008) The final info from Hawaii is that a whistleblower within the clerk's office said no Obama birth certificate was ever released. BTW; it was Obama's family in Kenya who said they had the legal documents that said he was born there. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo in 1967 and enrolled him in a Madrassah that requires only Indonesian citizenship before students may be enrolled. At the time, only single citizenship was allowed, and students had to withdraw citizenship in any other nation. For Obama to become a US citizen again, he had to reapply. He never did.

I'm going to need more than those people to convince me there is anything even looking at in this one.

A Senate committee and the FBI isn't enough?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on October 31, 2020, 12:25:51 AM
Here's a simple question. There are two official investigations on Joe and Hunter Biden, and the entire Biden Crime family. The Senate sub-committee has stated that the laptop is Hunter's and is not any conspiracy. Independent investigators (There are still a few journalists in the world who would like to earn a Pulitzer for merit.) have vetted all the Hunter crimes as they have emerged from the hard drive. Adam Schiffs own investigators have stated that they gave Schiff zero reasons to believe the laptop is Russian collusion. He lied. Emails have been verified by parties who received or sent them to Hunter. His image and voice have been identified. The child porn has been noted. The Washington Post has stated that all their research has been truthful. Yet the MSM has refused to even acknowledge there is a story. Big Tech has acted as a voter-suppression gestapo agency to prevent the story from reaching the public.

Mt question is, where is your integrity?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: TheDeamon on October 31, 2020, 01:06:11 AM
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/my-resignation-from-the-intercept

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Today I sent my intention to resign from The Intercept, the news outlet I co-founded in 2013 with Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras, as well as from its parent company First Look Media.

The final, precipitating cause is that The Intercept’s editors, in violation of my contractual right of editorial freedom, censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all New-York-based Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression.

The censored article, based on recently revealed emails and witness testimony, raised critical questions about Biden’s conduct. Not content to simply prevent publication of this article at the media outlet I co-founded, these Intercept editors also demanded that I refrain from exercising a separate contractual right to publish this article with any other publication.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: DonaldD on October 31, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
And here are some extracts from the draft article in question that Greenwald himself has made public:

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"Thus far, no proof has been offered by Bubolinski that Biden ever consummated his participation in any of those discussed deals. The Wall Street Journal says that it found no corporate records reflecting that a deal was finalized and that “text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture.”

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"It is true that no evidence, including these new emails, constitute proof that Biden’s motive in demanding Shokhin’s termination was to benefit Burisma."

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"The Wall Street Journal says that it found no corporate records reflecting that a deal was finalized and that “text messages and emails related to the venture that were provided to the Journal by Mr. Bobulinski, mainly from the spring and summer of 2017, don’t show either Hunter Biden or James Biden discussing a role for Joe Biden in the venture.”...The New York Times on Sunday reached a similar conclusion: while no documents prove that such a deal was consummated, “records produced by Mr. Bobulinski show that in 2017, Hunter Biden and James Biden were involved in negotiations about a joint venture with a Chinese energy and finance company called CEFC China Energy.”
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Aris Katsaris on October 31, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
BTW; it was Obama's family in Kenya who said they had the legal documents that said he was born there.

No, not "Obama's family" -- merely one his (many) half-brothers Malik Obama who did repost a blatant forgery, which is even anachronistic as it says Obama was born in the Republic of Kenya in 1961, though the Republic of Kenya was only founded on 1963.

Other members of Obama's family in Kenya have condemned Malik (https://citizentv.co.ke/news/auma-obama-calls-out-brother-malik-over-fake-barack-obama-birth-certificate-335849/)

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Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo in 1967 and enrolled him in a Madrassah that requires only Indonesian citizenship before students may be enrolled. At the time, only single citizenship was allowed, and students had to withdraw citizenship in any other nation.

Any evidence for this? Obama denies that he ever attended a Madrassa. And I find it very strange for a school to have such a bizarre requirement that would affect only a tiny tiny minority of people (people with dual citizenships), so I wonder where you come up with your information, and whether you're just shallowing up lies made up out of thin air.

Most nations don't care about how many citizenships you have, as long as you have the citizenship of that nation. Frankly I've personally only ever seen rightwinger Americans get their panties in a knot over "dual citizenship", not even rightwingers of other nations -- and that's because in America it tends to stand in for either anti-semetism (because of Israel dual-citizenship), or some other aspect of xenophobia/racism.

I'm not saying it's impossible for some Indonesian school to care about it, since I don't know well enough the specific politics of the region, but I will require evidence for you to convince me of that fact, not just your assertion.

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For Obama to become a US citizen again, he had to reapply. He never did.

What I'm reading (https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html) is that for a person to relinquish their US citizenship they have to:
- appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
- in a foreign country at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate; and.
- sign an oath of renunciation.

Do you have any evidence that Obama ever relinquished his US citizenship in this manner?

Or is your whole argument here, that you are trusting the Indonesian madrassah was motivated enough to have properly verified that Obama relinquished the US citizenship according to USA laws, and therefore you fully trust that Obama was no longer a US citizen when he supposedly attended there?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on November 01, 2020, 02:58:38 PM
Even if the emails verified were legitimate, how do we know someone didn't add fake ones to the hard drive?  How do we know the videos weren't added to the hard drive?  How hard would that be?

Because of the chain of evidence. Since the computer's chain of custody was never violated, Mack Isaac has testified of its integrity as it was given into his custody. Since the paperwork establishes it was given to him from Hunter Biden, himself, what is on it is attributed to Hunter unless he can prove alterations before he turned it over. That has not been done.

Unless, of course, Mack Isaac is lying through his teeth and put alterations into the hard drive while he had it in his custody.  Has that been definitively disproven?

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Lambert, for eight years I listened to your same sources swear up-and-down that Obama was born in Kenya and wasn't legally President.

That was not my sources. That was Hillary's associate, Phillip J. Berg. (Case 2:08-cv-04083-RBS Document 15 Filed 10/06/2008) The final info from Hawaii is that a whistleblower within the clerk's office said no Obama birth certificate was ever released. BTW; it was Obama's family in Kenya who said they had the legal documents that said he was born there. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo in 1967 and enrolled him in a Madrassah that requires only Indonesian citizenship before students may be enrolled. At the time, only single citizenship was allowed, and students had to withdraw citizenship in any other nation. For Obama to become a US citizen again, he had to reapply. He never did.


Well, the "Obama's family in Kenya who said ... he was born there" is completely discredited BS.  I would be ashamed to keep repeating such a lie.

The Madrassah contention is something new, but I doubt a minor has the ability to withdraw his citizenship.  I also doubt the requisite paperwork that Obama's citizenship was withdrawn exists.

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I'm going to need more than those people to convince me there is anything even looking at in this one.

A Senate committee and the FBI isn't enough?

Since Republican Senate committees never gather enough evidence to actually charge anyone (how many arrests were made over Benghazi?  ;D ), and since the FBI could just as easily be investigating who put faked emails and videos on the hard drives, the answer is: no, it's not nearly enough.  It's nowhere close to enough.  Why would you think it's enough?  ::)
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: wmLambert on December 10, 2020, 03:57:00 PM
Now that Hunter has admitted he is under FBI investigation, more info is emerging that proves the Post stories scrubbed by Big Tech, but also names Kamala as a potential fellow crook. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts

What is interesting is that Hunter only speaks about tax problems, and ignores the crux of the investigation which focuses on money laundering and the possibility of Chinese blackmail. The whole Biden family is dirty - and it looks like Kamala may have been selected as VP from being inside the crime family. Is this why they had to steal the election to gain pardon powers?
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: msquared on December 10, 2020, 04:09:08 PM
Just following Trump's example.
Title: Re: “Big Guy” Biden Catches Hand in Chinese Cookie Jar
Post by: Wayward Son on December 10, 2020, 05:48:51 PM
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Now that Hunter has admitted he is under FBI investigation, more info is emerging that proves the Post stories scrubbed by Big Tech, but also names Kamala as a potential fellow crook. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jim-hunter-biden-china-joint-venture-key-contacts

Whoa!  It's not just Harris, but just about every top Democrat you can think of.

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The list, included Harris, D-Calif.; Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.; Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y.; New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo; New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio; former Virginia Gov. Terry McCauliffe, among others.

So they are all implicated, even though the article states "It is unclear if any of the Democrats were ever contacted about the “target projects?”"

You just keep falling for them, Lambert, don't ya?  ;D