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General Comments / Re: Trump looses again
« on: August 08, 2022, 04:52:24 PM »
As for Heliocentrism vs. Geocentrism, the Church erred trying to marry tested science with once-believed Biblical interpretations, which were later proved to be different. The whole issue meant well, to support science vs. non-science.
Guesswork without empiricism is not science. It was only at the birth of Christianity, that a wise God appeared who fostered the idea that science could be done and should be done. The Church understood there was a duty to understand God's handiwork, the better to marvel at it.
It was the Church that fostered science. Quintus Tertullian instructed in the second century, "Reason is a thing of God, inasmuch as there is nothing which God the Maker of all has not provided, disposed, ordained by reason — nothing which He has not willed should be handled and understood by reason." The success of the West, including the rise of science, rested entirely on religious foundations, and the people who brought it about were devout Christians.
In the early seventeenth century, Heliocentrism and geocentrism were open-ended untested science which confused some people who should have known better - to flex their bureaucratic muscles to proclaim what science was and was not. It wasn't until 1916 that Pope Pius V said geocentrism was not De Fide. Non-scientists had held opinions that were wrong and tried to win their arguments by what I have stated as "Laughter by Intimidation", just like some do in this forum. They said the church proclaims it so it must be so. Science continued to accelerate, and truth and reason won out, as it always should. I am not all that religious, myself, except to understand the role the Church had to nurture science. When things fell between the cracks, they festered for a while, but were corrected. Those who poke at the church or religion as holding back science are just mirroring the Andrew Dickson White's of the world.
Guesswork without empiricism is not science. It was only at the birth of Christianity, that a wise God appeared who fostered the idea that science could be done and should be done. The Church understood there was a duty to understand God's handiwork, the better to marvel at it.
It was the Church that fostered science. Quintus Tertullian instructed in the second century, "Reason is a thing of God, inasmuch as there is nothing which God the Maker of all has not provided, disposed, ordained by reason — nothing which He has not willed should be handled and understood by reason." The success of the West, including the rise of science, rested entirely on religious foundations, and the people who brought it about were devout Christians.
In the early seventeenth century, Heliocentrism and geocentrism were open-ended untested science which confused some people who should have known better - to flex their bureaucratic muscles to proclaim what science was and was not. It wasn't until 1916 that Pope Pius V said geocentrism was not De Fide. Non-scientists had held opinions that were wrong and tried to win their arguments by what I have stated as "Laughter by Intimidation", just like some do in this forum. They said the church proclaims it so it must be so. Science continued to accelerate, and truth and reason won out, as it always should. I am not all that religious, myself, except to understand the role the Church had to nurture science. When things fell between the cracks, they festered for a while, but were corrected. Those who poke at the church or religion as holding back science are just mirroring the Andrew Dickson White's of the world.