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General Comments / Re: Alex Jones, scumbag
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:52:16 PM »
So is this Alex Jones a psychopath, sociopath, deranged, narcissist,  evil, a con man... a person with a agenda to which the ends justify the means.
I personal never believed that he believed anything he said and somewhere in that lie lost himself

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General Comments / Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« on: August 05, 2022, 12:43:08 PM »
The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral. And since even people who have never encountered the law know generally what is moral and immoral
So you are happy with the entirety of Leviticus as a description of good & bad?

Its a position certainly.

Leviticus is primarily a cut and paste from many religions that predated Judaism. Most were matriarchal, but the laundry lists of accepted wisdom was passed down long before the Bible.


So the Bible isn't clear on the matter of 'what is moral and unmoral'???

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 05:17:10 PM »
But if you pray real hard to the Market gods.... in the market we trust

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General Comments / Re: What are some things that Biden gets right?
« on: August 04, 2022, 04:43:54 PM »
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The law of God, as seen in the Bible, is clear about what is moral and immoral.
??? Actually did a spit take lol - Only by those who consider themselves the righteous.  Clarity is not something the bible is know for (nor is it meant to be)

Interesting how many equate the eating from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" as the same as knowledge of what is good and evil. Shirley they are the same thing. They are not and don't call me Shirley.

The tension between knowledge that something may be good and something evil while not knowing with certainty what is good and what is evil creates consciousness. It consciousness that throws us out of the garden. What is known to be good one moment isn't experienced as good the next, or what is experienced as good to me is experienced as evil by someone else in the same moment... what is the good, what is the bad?   A baby taking a crap feels good but the mirror looking down at it with a pinched disgustedly face indicated something else. Some thing wrong with it..... and so we hide ourselves

Knowledge of something is not the same as knowledge/wisdom of what is. History is the story of us constantly getting it wrong. The bible read through the lenses of history also points out

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 01:01:59 PM »
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When did we lose the ability to seek out the solution between extremes?
There is a part of me that honestly wants to just slap anyone who's, like, "can't we please try to find a compromise in the exact center of this question of fact?"

2+2 is not 7. But maybe it's rude to insist that it's four, and everyone should just agree that it's 5 to be nice about it.

There are Climate alarmists who demand we jump to 'clean energy' and end all dependence on fusel fuels immediately. Close the coal plant before we have the means to replace the energy via other means.
There are Economic alarmist who see any move away from fusel fuels as the end of thier prosperity and the world.

Common ground - both want to live in a economically healthy community with clean air, clean water, and clean earth. Talking about, finding and implementing the best method of how to get there is not a attempt to make 2 + 2 = 7.  That many think it is is part of the problem.

Their is no requirement or need to believe that Climate Change is happening in order to work towards a healthy community and their is a lot of evidence that moving towards clean will be economically beneficial and a even stronger economic driving force then fusel fuels were. Yes change is scary but the driving force behind the economy is always changing. (hell for a few years it was tulip bulbs) 

If anything the last 30 years ought to have taught everyone that those who don't adapt get left behind.  "boohoo the industry I've worked in all my life, and my father before me, has become obsolete... lets stop time so we can pretend it isn't".  2+2=4 move forward or get out of the way. How smartly we move forward and transition that is the question.

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 04, 2022, 10:02:52 AM »
Climate alarmist - Economic alarmist?  The Sky is always falling

As long as thier this duality of being, this either or, all or nothing type of reasoning (mistaken for reason) I see no chance of real dialog (Says the duality alarmist).
When did we lose the ability to seek out the solution between extremes? 

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 03, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
you can make wine from dandelions so...
I think the point is that the UK is now producing grapes of a quality similar to that as in France which is now having trouble maintaining that quality.   

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General Comments / Re: Climate alarmists are wrong.
« on: August 02, 2022, 11:58:25 AM »
Should Climate change be the only reason for society to work towards clean water, clean air, clean earth policies.
Everyone of course wants clean water and air... but economics trumps that especially when the problem of pollution or impact of weather events isn't felt directly. Passed along to the "neighbors"

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General Comments / Re: God Exists
« on: July 25, 2022, 10:01:55 AM »
Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it - Terry Pratchett
How would one measure the speed of darkness? And if measured would they find G_d :)

But I digress

Much is over my head but have been enjoying the dialog

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General Comments / Re: The Biden Economy
« on: July 20, 2022, 02:53:40 PM »
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there's exactly zero reason to believe that wages agreed between consenting adults are not reasonable.

humm... maybe other then most of history. The market gods and elite business/corporation would never and have never take advantage. So many stories of putting people and the good of all before profit, can't think of a single bad when that didn't happen. 

Ah but the qualifier 'reasonable adults', yes yes if only everyone was a reasonable as the corporation... The 'corporation' is after all a reasonable person looking out for those that serve it.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 20, 2022, 01:42:20 PM »
Here is a riddle for you
When does A lack of evidence equal proof of guilt or Facts in evidence equal proof of innocence?   

When one of ten points in evidence proves false the other nine automatically discounted... Unless nine of ten points in evidence proves false then the one rules All and determines fate

When the bad apple represents the whole and when it represents itself?

That is the 'Rule of Law'

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General Comments / Re: Musk and Twitter
« on: July 20, 2022, 10:32:38 AM »
It is pretty amazing to me how many people can't divorce their analysis of the legal issues from their personal like or dislike of Elon.  (Not in this thread but elsewhere on the internet).

It is like betting on a boxer to win or lose based on your liking them.  It is an approach to things I just can't fathom.

I definitely find it hard to try to keep it separate. I try to visualize, what if person X did this? But he really has no peers that would have made this kind of rash acquisition attempt, IMO. So the cognitive dissonance doesn't allow me to fully look at the facts of the case in full isolation. I try to rely on what experts are saying about it, but I can't be sure they don't just dislike Musk as much as I do.

I've never understood the draw of Twitter, why anyone would invest time let alone money in it? different strokes for different folks...
Maybe its all connected, taking joy in pulling down those that succeeded, companies and individuals in ways we admire and also dislike as it reveals our own lack.

Personally I wonder why so many people are so invested in thier legal/personal opinion on the matter. I can't think of a time when my opinion changed anything other then my own experience, usually to the negative. 
Before twitter I think we all understood that at some level, and if we didn't our platform to share that was limited.  After twitter we have the platform and everyone thinks that what they have to say, even if they have no knowledge about what they are talking about, must matter.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 20, 2022, 09:49:08 AM »
The secret service just happened to lose text messages from January 5th and 6th?!?

Worse they planned to purge all the records months in advance and got away with it.

Trump succeeded in turning the Secret Service into his own royal guard.

The records are on Clinton's email servers they need to open another investigation on Hillary

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: July 07, 2022, 02:15:39 PM »
Boris Johnson gets booted for having a Party during Corvid and hiring a person accused of sexual assault or something - being tone deaf I guess.  (suspect other factors)

Meanwhile back in the USA the GOP can't seem to get away from a man with a lot of.... character baggage

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Not looking good for Ukraine.

Putin is going to gas light the win and nothing the west can/will do about it.

Jokes on him. Putin thinks NATO is the danger, just a matter of time that Russia becomes a puppet of China.

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General Comments / Re: God Exists
« on: June 27, 2022, 11:40:30 AM »
Always felt that metaphysics ought to be held lightly as eventually discussions intended to prove something end up tripping over the problem of language and ending in the absurd and or silence.
 

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 27, 2022, 11:01:58 AM »
It was just one or two (thousand or tens of thousands) bad apples.

Without a call to self reflection there is no need to notice any hypocrisy as when to make the argument that a bad apple represent the whole and when it does not.  You pick to what is convenient to your intention.

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:24:43 AM »
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This fringe group is definitely violent and dangerous and deserves condemnation. Which is the real difference. I would assume there are exactly 0 Democratic Party politicians who support Jane's Revenge, as opposed to Republican Party politicians who downplay Jan 6th, fomented it, supported it, and fight accountability. We cannot, however, pretend that these violent groups don't exist or that the left is somehow morally superior and incapable of doing something like Jan 6th given the right provocation.

Totally agree. That said the right only needs to point to a example on the left to muddy the waters and change the conversation, and it works.
Those I know on the right would not have added the last statement for self reflection. Any call to self reflection and the point is proved, the right is justified. 

(Not calling for the end of self reflection :) )

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 02:28:05 PM »
"letting go" can mean a lot of things
How far do you go?  Do you hold on so tight it becomes your identity? So attached to a outcome that what's left of ones life becomes miserable?
Could think long term plan and work the system like the Gun Lobby/GOP did... but the DNC doesn't do that kind of thinking/planning. Could I guess put some energy behind that.
And then thier is the insanity question of doing the same things and expecting a different outcome. Letting go could be the letting go of what isn't working.

Polls show a large majority want gun reform but they don't vote that way. A minority of those Pro Life, Pro Gun.... they vote that way full stop. That could be something to think about.

Still the left does love its moral outrage though (as does the right) maybe we don't want things to change. Unless its our loved ones.... but what are the odds..

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:42:26 PM »
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Time for those who wanted reform to recognize they have lost and to let it go...

Are you saying that people who have loved ones who are killed should "let it go?"  That those who are might not have been killed if some stricter laws were passed should say, "Oh well, too bad, so sad.  The 2nd Amendment is so much more important than my child's life.  It's all for the best in the end"?

I don't think that is an option. :(

I don't know... Its been 20+ years I've paid any attention to this issue and nothing has changed in fact things have gone backwards. I don't see anything changing in my life time.
When do you acknowledge your pissing in the wind and change direction.  Focus on change that has some possibility of... who am I kidding

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:07:14 PM »
Supreme Court ruling expands US gun rights https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61915237
US Senate passes first gun control bill in decades https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61919752

Do we laugh or cry?

My feeling is that the Supreme Court ruling ends the matter, at least for the next 20+ years. There will be no reform
Time for those who wanted reform to recognize they have lost and to let it go and focus mental health aspects which the right won't want to pay for.... unless it comes with guns.   

I am not optimistic for the future.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 01:01:13 PM »
To be fair, it probably does suck to be a progressive and thus forced to choose, in every election of your lifetime, between a party who wants to destroy you and another party that just wants to marginalize you while lying to your face.

I get it but as some point one needs to become conscious of when your working against yourself.
Just don't act surprised when your moment start losing ground you thought it already won.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 12:40:15 PM »
Seeing more and more interviews with liberal progresses who are angry with Biden and won't be voting for him and that means down the ticket.
A year from now they will be wondering why they keep losing at the State and local level of government let along at the Supreme Court and blaming anyone but themselves.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 12:34:16 PM »
I guess I keep hoping that the further out there that the GOP nutbags go, at some point the non-crazy conservatives will hit the limit of their patience and get things under control. Through primaries of course, they'd rather have a lunatic Trumper than a sane Socialist, apparently.

I had hoped that that would happen but I don't think its going to.
The GOP stance on 'small government' when it comes to economics comes into tension with 'big government' to enforce "law and order", Values...
verses
DNC 'big government' when it comes to economics and small government on social issues. 

Only everything is getting mixed up and it seems that no one really knows what they want let alone how to get where the want to go.
No compromise no commission... I can't 'see' how we arn't in the process of crating the very things we fear.

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 24, 2022, 12:12:28 PM »
My observation has been the the majority of Trumper's refuse (or psychologically can't) to look at evidence that might challenge what they already know. ( the idea that a lack of proof is proof so dangerous and they don't/wont 'see' it)

The Daily Show did the bit where they asked Trumper's about the Jan 6 Commission. I know not a valid format that proves anything but one of the Guys face when He was shown Barr's comments was... he just couldn't believe it. And then the two young women total refusal to acknowledge that anything even occurred on Jan 6.

Troubling.
I'm going to bet nothing comes from the Jan 6 Commission and Trump is elected if he runs again. When he wins the GOP will not lose again for a long long time.

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General Comments / Re: GOP nutbag of the week
« on: June 15, 2022, 01:53:54 PM »
Greene for president :(

Enough People looked at this person and thought this is a person I want to represent me, speak for me, that will stand up for my values. I can trust this person she's just like me, no be choice from my tribe is out thier  :'(

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General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 15, 2022, 10:26:05 AM »
This is fun.  Liz Cheney released a video, outlining yesterday's hearing, previewing Thursday's hearing, and ending with a clip of one of Trump's attorney's suggesting to another one on January 7 to "Get a great f'ing criminal defense lawyer. You're going to need it."

Its... something
Unfortunate a large segment of the population doesn't care or something phycological is going on making it impossible for many to view what a happened with any kind of perspective.

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General Comments / Re: Inflation, Gas Prices, and what have you.
« on: June 13, 2022, 05:44:51 PM »
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left-wing politics of reducing oil contributed to our current supply issues

Where any policies actually implemented or was the suggestion pf policy change enough for oil companies to limit supply.
Seems like a lot of moving parts to narrow down which policies and or suggestions contributed to what



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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: June 09, 2022, 06:11:02 PM »
Because you come off as a hypocrite and the world has moved on

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General Comments / Re: We gotta talk about Uncle Joe
« on: June 09, 2022, 05:56:05 PM »
You got to let this Hillary stuff go and move on

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 09, 2022, 05:53:31 PM »
For my part, I'm okay with protesting at homes (or anywhere else you're likely to encounter a public figure in "public"), but only because of practicality. So many celebrities and politicians now can literally move from an armored, tinted vehicle into a secured tunnel and from there into a windowless chamber that they don't actually have to witness any form of public response at all. I am firmly on the side of humanizing these figures and forcing them to experience interactions with angry commoners, and home protest is unfortunately one of the few ways remaining to do that.

Perhaps if such public figures lived alone. So can't agree. Way to easy for things to get out of hand and a unnecessary drain on police.

Keep business, business things are far to personal as it is.

Allowing the above would I think stop many from going into public service.

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General Comments / Re: SOP
« on: June 09, 2022, 05:43:33 PM »
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How many of you will heed Lori Lightfoots literal "call to arms"?

Don't know who that is but will assume those that would heed such a 'call to arms' would fall under the same type of idjits who would head such things on the left or right

I personally do not support protesting public figures (or anyone) at their homes. full stop. It ought not be condoned or defended. 

If anything illegal happens due to this Lori's 'call to arms' I fully expect they she/her/them/he/him (just incase I presumed wrongly) be held accountable 

This may be a subsegment of the left but is not the left - not fully yet anyway

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 09, 2022, 10:14:13 AM »
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The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military
Not the first time.

History clearly shows the occupation or aid or however you want to put it in a country that did not ask for it will fail more times then not.

Who was in charge when Afghan mission tipped over into inevitable failure - Bush. Why it took so long to admit that fact? I suspect money though the rule of charity forces me to answer more kindly
 - because we really arn't that smart.

Has to be Bush. Right? Can’t be Obama, no way! It was 20 years and one single guy from 12 years ago is the reason. Nothing anyone could’ve done, the outcome inevitable. Jesus

When Bush took his eyes off Afghanistan and onto Iraq the Taliban were given breathing space to regroup when they were about to fully collapse.  Afghanistan became a backwater engagement and concern .Years latter there was a attempt at nation building - to create a Afghanistan into a image of the US without taking into account the Afghan people as people.
Bush Administration blew it, Obama Administration inherited a bad situation and allowed it to continue knowing it was likely a lost cause  for that they are responsible. Trump Administration knew it was a lost cause and Trump wanted out for which he ought to be given credit. Sadly his deal with the Taliban was a death sentence for the Afghan government and he continued to listen to the Hawks who kept delaying any exit. For not following his gut in this situation he is responsible. Biden said he would leave, the military hawks didn't fully sport that, and still he did it and ripped the bandage off.  A mess all around and blame for everyone.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:59:45 PM »
I'm hearing the types of arguments Chruch is making more and more often. My thought is in perpetration of justification for violent action the next time a election does no go the way a group making such arguments goes.

But they would be taking such action for the sake of everyone's freedom - just as they define and enforce it to be for everyone. No contradictions as the government they setup would not be a government.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:54:06 PM »
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The point you’re avoiding is that a poorly armed and trained force defeated the US military
Not the first time.

History clearly shows the occupation or aid or however you want to put it in a country that did not ask for it will fail more times then not.

Who was in charge when Afghan mission tipped over into inevitable failure - Bush. Why it took so long to admit that fact? I suspect money though the rule of charity forces me to answer more kindly
 - because we really arn't that smart. 

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 04:26:44 PM »
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But you know what, they didn't. You can say the US "chose" to leave but the reality is the US did, in fact, surrender the battlespace to the Taliban - running away so quickly that they left billions in equipment behind

I couldn't verify but heard suggestions that the Military delayed bringing back equipment (planning a proper withdraw) to force Badin's hand in staying longer and or assumed Biden would change his mind. That leaving that equipment behind benefited the military complex.... not that anything can be proved so the rule of charity states we ought to accept that the Military assumed the Afghan forces would hold, at least long enough to, withdraw in a orderly manner.

In my books the failure of the orderly withdraw lands fully on the Military

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 01:31:04 PM »
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That's the beauty of the second amendment, people like you cannot enslave others by force. If you try, the cost will be so high as to make success unpalatable.

Not people like me but people not like me, those with the guns, get to?

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 08, 2022, 01:19:51 PM »
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Look, if the Taliban was able to force the US to surrender when they're using nothing more than rusty AKs and sketchy IEDs

Interesting take.
I might argue that US Militarily force failed to eliminate the Taliban and get the Afghanistan people to stand up against them.
At some level the people of Afghanistan were never and are not willing to fight the Taliban.

IF the US surrendered to was to the inevitable reality that it could not force (enslave) the Afghan people to defend themselves against the Taliban.

There are to many factors involved to make the claim that the Taliban was able to force the US to surrender when they only had to wait out the invaders/occupier's as has been the history of Afghanistan (if only we learned from history) - Afghan was a lost in 2003

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 07, 2022, 05:14:48 PM »
I think it can be argued that at no time in history have so many people around the world had it as good as we have it today especially in the west. Yet instead of being grateful I hear growing talk about how we must protect ourselves from our government by force. That when some group doesn't' get things their way that tyranny and to right that wrong armed resistance where if successfully the group gets to enforce thier 'freedom' on everyone else.  Its like we haven't learned anything from the past.

Maybe we have it too good? We certainly don't deserve our good fortune of being born in this time and country, but oh we are entitled.... and so afraid. 

'Rights', 'Freedom' with no thought about how those ideals function within a social contact of democracy.
 

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 07, 2022, 01:13:13 PM »
I was watching a compellation of political adds featuring weapons. Those in and running for office shooting militarily grade weapons implying consciously or unconsciously that such weapons are merely tools needed to get the job done and that they will do what ever is necessary....

Bombarded by these messages of gun culture how is it we wonder how some trouble youth picks up a weapon to make thier point or solve thier problem.
Maybe its Gun Culture that need to be address as well as responsible Gun laws

Personally having a conviction for Gun responsibility it think such adds ought to disqualify the politician from consideration. 
Their dumb and they assume those watching them are dumb

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 06, 2022, 04:01:45 PM »
I think if we're going to be fair to Crunch as he attempts to argue on behalf of his position, we shouldn't impute motives to him or labels like "entitled prick." We've seen little in this thread to suggest that he believes that no social contract, explicit or implicit, accrues to him. I certainly understand and sympathize with the observation that governments are capable of tyranny and extreme violence, even directed at their own citizens, and that citizens might well desire to have the ability to deter that violence through the threat of their own.

I was lumping everyone into the group of entitled pricks including myself

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 06, 2022, 11:09:39 AM »
 "I have a right. You have no right. We have a right. They don’t a have right"
The Mass murdering "government" I must protect myself from and replace with ?????? will not become a mass murdering "government"

My rights not your rights, my government not your government... 
My government wont' be a government? 

We really are entitled pricks. My opinions, my rights, my choices, my 'freedom'.... frack any social contract. Me, me, me.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 06, 2022, 10:10:30 AM »
Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away, and rights aren’t rights if someone can take them away. They’re privileges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country is a bill of temporary privileges.

This is a strong point, but I'm not sure he was making the point he thought he was making. The point I believe he was making isn't that there aren't inherent rights, but that governments are not being entirely honest when their list of "rights" are touted as being "the rights" (i.e. the intrinsic ones). It may well be the case that the government list is indeed a list of temporary privileges in practice, since concerns like 'security' and 'expediency' will trump those "rights" every time. But that doesn't actually mean the people don't have inherent rights, it just means that the word as used by government is a false or self-deluded use of the term.

The government of the people by the people. When the 'rights of the Japanese American's were taken away the people stood by and accepted - continued to vote for those in power that implemented the measures.   We like to blame the big bad 'government' for the horrors of things like slavery as WE would never do such things but the people hold some responsibility about holding those we put into power accountable. That we are easily mislead and manipulated is on the individual.

I think one of the points Carlin was making was that even at a individual level rights our a construct of our own making. All men are created equal - except.... a contradiction set at the birth of the nation and instead of dealing with it we involve ourselves in the semantic discussion of the word 'equal' and 'men'.

Within any social contract rights ought to be viewed as privileges not entitlements we have no responsibility for.

Entitled as we our to our 'rights' Is it no wonder when a young person becomes angry enough to use his 'rights' to take away others  right to life? All these mixed messages.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: June 05, 2022, 05:53:46 PM »
All this talk of rights reminded me of George Carlin's bit on 'rights'

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Boy, everyone in this country is always running around, yammering about their *censored*ing rights. I have a right. You have no right. We have a right. They don’t a have right.

Folks, I hate to spoil your fun but there’s no such thing as rights, OK. They’re imaginary. We made them up, like the Boogie Man, the Three Little Pigs, Pinocchio, Mother Goose, *censored* like that. Rights are an idea. They’re just imaginary. They’re a cute idea. Cute but that’s all. Cute and fictional. But if you think you do have rights let me ask you this, where do they come from?

People say, “Well, they come from God. They’re God-given rights.” Oh, *censored*, here we go again. Here we go again. The God excuse. The last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument, “They came from God.” Anything we can’t describe must have come from God. Personally, folks, I believe that if your rights came from God, he would have given you the right to some food every day, and he would have given you the right to a roof over your head. God would have been looking out for you. God would have been looking out for you, you know that? He wouldn’t have been worrying about making sure you have a gun so you can get drunk on Sunday night and kill your girlfriend’s parents. But let’s say it’s true. Let’s say God gave us these rights. Why would he give us a certain number of rights?

The Bill of Rights in this country has ten stipulations, OK? Ten rights. And apparently, God was doing sloppy work that week because we’ve had to amend the Bill of Rights an additional 17 times, so God forgot a couple of things like slavery. Just *censored*ing slipped his mind. But let’s say God gave us the original ten. He gave the British 13. The British Bill of Rights has 13 stipulations. The Germans have 29. The Belgians have 25. The Swedish have only 6. And some people in the world have no rights at all. What kind of a *censored*ing, *censored*, God-given deal is that? No rights at all? Why would God give different people in different countries different numbers of different rights? Boredom? Amusement? Bad arithmetic? Do we find out at long last after all this time that God is weak in math skills? Doesn’t sound like divine planning to me. Sounds more like human planning. Sounds more like one group trying to control another group. In other words, business as usual in America.

Now, if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for you. Next time you’re at the computer, get on the internet. Go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in Japanese Americans 1942, and you’ll find out all about your precious *censored*ing rights, OK? All right. You know about it. You know about it. Yeah. In 1942, there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens in good standing, law-abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That’s all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had? Right this way, into the internment camps. Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away, and rights aren’t rights if someone can take them away. They’re privileges. That’s all we’ve ever had in this country is a bill of temporary privileges.


And then he takes a leap:

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Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true. I think either we have unlimited rights or we have no rights at all. Personally, I lean toward unlimited rights. I feel, for instance, I have the right to do anything I please. But if I do something you don’t like, I think you have the right to kill me. So where are you going to find a fairer *censored*ing deal than that? So the next time some *censored* says to you, “I have a right to my opinion, “you say, “Oh yeah? Well I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is you have no right to your opinion.” Then shoot the *censored* and walk away. Thank you.

A young boy with to easy access to weapons that can kill a lot of people in a short span of time says "Oh Yeah" I have 'rights' and pulls the trigger...

Rights, rights, rights with no responsibility, unconditional rights, what fools are we.


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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: May 31, 2022, 01:29:04 PM »
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In 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault-weapons ban, which banned the AR-15 and other similar semiautomatic rifles.
After its ban, mass shootings were down in the decade that followed, in comparison to the decade before (1984-94) and the one after (2004-14)

Once the assault-weapons ban expired 10 years later in 2004, gun manufacturers quickly began production and sales rose.

AR-15-style semiautomatic weapons are civilian versions of military weapons that gun control advocates say aren't very different.
The AR-15, like its military version, is designed to kill people quickly and in large numbers, hence the term assault-style rifle.
The gun industry, gun owners and their supporters say AR-15s are used for hunting, target practice and shooting competitions.

The AR-15 was called "America's Rifle" in a January 2016

The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived

There are very seldom reports of mass or multiple school shootings during the first three decades of the 20th Century, with the three most violent attacks on schools involving either arson or explosions.

The early 1980s saw only a few multi-victim school shootings this changes in the 1990
1992-1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993-1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994-1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995-1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996-1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997-1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998-1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999-2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)

And then continues into 2000
2000-2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001-2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002-2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003-2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004-2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005-2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006-2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007-2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008-2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009-2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: May 31, 2022, 10:57:22 AM »
27th school shooting this year...

When can we stop pretending?  Same stories, same augments spun out till we get to forget till the next one. 
Maybe the media should just stop covering such stories and let us pretend in peace.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: May 26, 2022, 05:55:25 PM »
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Close public schools; problems solved.
This argument is actually gaining popularity for the overall movement where conservatism = going back in time to when Men were Men and Woman were Woman and Government was managed by the Few who know what's good for everyone. Only those making such arguments - close public schools - wont say that and or don't realize that that is what they are calling for when the make such arguments.

Close all public schools = screw the poor.  Back to the good old days of feudalism.
Equality, as in everyone has a equal chance to the pursuit of happiness, starts with equal access to good nutrition and education.  But yeah lets go back in time when things were so much better for everyone.

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: May 26, 2022, 09:21:10 AM »
I think poisoners, epically those locked up forever, should be allowed to exercise their right to own guns.

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General Comments / Re: Whose cell/womb is it anyways?
« on: May 25, 2022, 11:10:56 AM »
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if men were the ones to become pregnant....That argument doesn't hold up well to scrutiny
I wonder if we will ever see any laws that require men/boys (family) who get a woman pregnant to be accountable for that new life..... not going to hold my breath

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General Comments / Re: Thoughts and Prayers - Again...
« on: May 25, 2022, 10:38:37 AM »
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Meanwhile, all the conservatives are mad at Joe Biden for making political points after "the tragedy"
same old play book and enough hypocrisy to go around for everyone.

If those who say they really want to see changes to gun, abortion laws.... they say they actually care about, voted that way things might change. But they don't and wont. Just watch what happens in the mid terms.

If fingers have to be pointed I point it at the progressives who seem to have ADD - concerned about everything (mostly saying the 'right' things) while doing nothing. Look squirrel... lets get upset about that next thing.   

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