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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 30, 2023, 05:02:39 PM »

I dunno about rightleft22, but the person who left this thought experiment on the internet ended up getting a lot of grief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

reminded me of a serious I recently watched - Mrs. Davis

They meant a series, not a serious whatever, and I've looked up the television show. It definitely looks interesting but like so many others, may not be renewed. Standard warnings apply.

Freidan slip??? or not paying attention to spelling - The show was only intended to be a 1 season series.  The last episode was a conclusion and not a cliff hanger

Again, totally only my list and if you're saying it concludes itself in one series I'm totally on board. Up to the top three of my must watch. I suppose I was comparing it to other streaming content stuff.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 30, 2023, 04:33:43 PM »

I dunno about rightleft22, but the person who left this thought experiment on the internet ended up getting a lot of grief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

reminded me of a serious I recently watched - Mrs. Davis

They meant a series, not a serious whatever, and I've looked up the television show. It definitely looks interesting but like so many others, may not be renewed. Standard warnings apply.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 30, 2023, 04:08:44 PM »

Also, things got a bit crazy round here for a bit, but I'm happy to see things return to the norm. We're all relatively respecting each other and just inputting our opinions, interpretations, and thoughts.

Josh has basically said the rules for the board as is are dead, but hopefully we can keep this kind of interaction as the new normal.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 30, 2023, 04:06:39 PM »

I dunno about rightleft22, but the person who left this thought experiment on the internet ended up getting a lot of grief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 07:06:55 PM »

This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.

(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)

It's Pete, he's making it up. I'm going along with it because I'm bored.

Okay, I'll stop pretending to be Ephrem.

Instead, I renounce Mormonism and I pledge my soul to the Eastern Orthodox Church as interpreted by oca.org

Further, I'm getting a divorce and I'll live the rest of my days as a hermit at the North Pole.

Cool. It's midnight here so I'm going to bed. I would say enjoy playing with yourself but whatever religion you're currently identifying with probably frowns on that. So. Have a good night.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:50:14 PM »

You love bullying them online. Gay men are still men, you'd get a punch in the mouth if you ever grew the nuts to try in real life what you pretend to be online.

Why?

You think my verbal bullying means I deserve a punch in the mouth?

Anyone in Portland, Oregon? Let's meet at Pioneer Square. Tell me when. I'll be the one screaming "TRANSWOMEN ARE NOT WOMEN".

"Fighting words," are an acknowledged thing in US law.

That only means I can get arrested for my words. That is fair.

That does NOT mean that the people I bully have a right to punch me in the mouth. I'm disturbed that you think it does and I guess I shouldn't be.

Yeah, see, the fighting words common law is kind of like self defense. We're not going to charge a man with murder if the man he killed was running at him with a knife.

In the same context, if you get in someone's face and scream obnoxious things, at some point they are going to punch you in the mouth. What's obnoxious? Up to the people, I guess. Your version of that isn't in the majority. I'm assuming you know that. Just like I'm assuming you won't be demonstrating at your city's next pride parade.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:33:14 PM »

This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.

(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)

It's Pete, he's making it up. I'm going along with it because I'm bored.

Mormonism is Satanic.

Mormonism is no less stupid then any other religion, it just gets *censored* on for being late to the party. Real easy to call into question people from two or three hundred years ago versus two thousand years ago.

It's all about faith, and who you can trick into believing in your stupid story.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:26:43 PM »

This is a somewhat weird discussion: The tidbits of your personal situation you give, and the *potential* inconsistencies that stand out (you're sterile but have a daughter? You're married 19 years, but your daughter is 20 years old?), kinda feel as if you're deliberately putting them out there so that so that we would prod at them.

(I understand that they're not *necessarily* inconsistencies of course, just your selection of tidbits feels intentionally *seemingly* inconsistent)

It's Pete, he's making it up. I'm going along with it because I'm bored.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:24:30 PM »

You love bullying them online. Gay men are still men, you'd get a punch in the mouth if you ever grew the nuts to try in real life what you pretend to be online.

Why?

You think my verbal bullying means I deserve a punch in the mouth?

Anyone in Portland, Oregon? Let's meet at Pioneer Square. Tell me when. I'll be the one screaming "TRANSWOMEN ARE NOT WOMEN".

"Fighting words," are an acknowledged thing in US law.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:22:50 PM »

Huh. She *never* argues with you. Ever? Does that go back to her teen years?

Out of curiosity, did she go to university? Was it very far away from you?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 06:07:07 PM »

You love bullying them online. Gay men are still men, you'd get a punch in the mouth if you ever grew the nuts to try in real life what you pretend to be online.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 05:55:06 PM »

I would very much be behind you tearing down the rich man. Unfortunately, you don't seem to spend too much time doing that. Instead, you wail and gnash your teeth about the supposed ills of LGTQB and their allies.

I'm sorry you're in a bad place, but if that's the case perhaps spend a little less time bombing an online message board? Fix yourself, Ephrem.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 05:48:30 PM »

"Marriage means "we want a baby more than we want a partner" to *me*."

This is a very sad way to look at the institution of marriage and relationships in general. Your church doesn't agree with you, whether we're pretending in the conversation that it's the LDS or Eastern Orthodox. Two people come together because they enjoy being together, and make each other better. Sometimes, they have sex, and it's fun for everyone. Not gonna lie, I'm kind of confused with your declarations here. Be real. Have you *been* in a real relationship before?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 03:43:07 PM »

I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest.

"transgender butch lesbian"

I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?

I get tired.

Go find a genius.

The world is *censored*ty and even a genius probably couldn't fix it. I suggest you stop trying so hard to do so. Stop attacking people, make some friends, and do some good in your local community.

I'm relieved that you couldn't bring evidence of you killing millions, though. I might have had to report that to the mod.

No. I will continue to attack people. I refuse to make friends. I will do some bad in my local community.

What a lovely person you must be in real life.

Hot chicks hit on me.

Some chicks like to watch men beat up the gays. Not physically, verbally.

That's who I'm after. So that's what I do.

Are these the same chicks you paid 4k to sleep with you and pretend they liked you?

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 03:40:24 PM »

Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."

"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."

Refreshingly honest of you.

What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?

Sorry, I had been talking with Ephrem so perhaps I went in a bit hard.

I'm honestly confused about your statement that you refuse to agree to disagree with people about "important" things.

Let's go with an easy one. Abortion. You're obviously against it, do you have friends who are okay with it? In that circumstance, do you both agree to disagree, and by that basically don't talk about it, because otherwise you couldn't be friends? That's what I'm getting at here. Your original statement seemed to say you couldn't be friends with people who disagree with you. If I'm wrong, I apologise.

"I believe that human life is sacred as measured by my own sexual activity which is 100% procreative in nature. You think sex is for fun. Well, I don't. Good luck with that."

You've never had sex just for fun? Dude, no wonder you're so worked up.

I did but it was a sin. I paid $4000 for two hours with Addison at the Chicken Ranch.

It was good. I went through 17 condoms. I was inside her for ~90% of those two hours. I mean, it was like $33.33 a minute.

I tipped her $400 after.

My conclusion? It was good. Addison was either an actress who knew the Method very well, or, she thought I was cute and really did want to give me the best "girlfriend experience" she could.

But we weren't in love. We weren't praying to create a baby.

So, it was meaningless pleasure.

I'm seeking sex with meaning, that's all. I need a spiritual connection.

It is possible to have non procreative sex without paying for it. If that is not possible for you, for whatever reason, I'm sorry. I suggest you talk to a therapist about how that might have affected your decisions and actions.

I will say, I think your focus on sex in a relationship is a bit telling. The best parts of my relationships have always been having a partner who I could share my life with, good and bad. Do you think a relationship, marriage or otherwise, revolves purely around sex?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 03:17:29 PM »

I mean what's up with you people.

When a rambling drunk staggers into your backyard and takes a dump next to the grill, it is the homeowner's responsibility to remove him. The guests, in most scenarios, will politely ignore the man and then, when he is gone, speak of him with both disgust and pity.

And you're the mod, the homeowner, here.

Do your job, dude.

Um. Just so you know, Josh owns the board. Tom is just another guy here.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 03:16:33 PM »

I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest.

"transgender butch lesbian"

I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?

I get tired.

Go find a genius.

The world is *censored*ty and even a genius probably couldn't fix it. I suggest you stop trying so hard to do so. Stop attacking people, make some friends, and do some good in your local community.

I'm relieved that you couldn't bring evidence of you killing millions, though. I might have had to report that to the mod.

No. I will continue to attack people. I refuse to make friends. I will do some bad in my local community.

What a lovely person you must be in real life.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 03:15:20 PM »

Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."

"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."

Refreshingly honest of you.

What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?

Sorry, I had been talking with Ephrem so perhaps I went in a bit hard.

I'm honestly confused about your statement that you refuse to agree to disagree with people about "important" things.

Let's go with an easy one. Abortion. You're obviously against it, do you have friends who are okay with it? In that circumstance, do you both agree to disagree, and by that basically don't talk about it, because otherwise you couldn't be friends? That's what I'm getting at here. Your original statement seemed to say you couldn't be friends with people who disagree with you. If I'm wrong, I apologise.

"I believe that human life is sacred as measured by my own sexual activity which is 100% procreative in nature. You think sex is for fun. Well, I don't. Good luck with that."

You've never had sex just for fun? Dude, no wonder you're so worked up.

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General Comments / Re: Debt Limit Standoff

« on: May 28, 2023, 01:15:08 PM »

I have serious doubts that anything McCarthy agrees to won't immediately be attacked by the very people who held up the vote for Speaker of the House. So, we'll see.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 12:48:51 PM »

Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."

"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."

Refreshingly honest of you.

What? When did I say the second thing? Who are you quoting?

Sorry, I had been talking with Ephrem so perhaps I went in a bit hard.

I'm honestly confused about your statement that you refuse to agree to disagree with people about "important" things.

Let's go with an easy one. Abortion. You're obviously against it, do you have friends who are okay with it? In that circumstance, do you both agree to disagree, and by that basically don't talk about it, because otherwise you couldn't be friends? That's what I'm getting at here. Your original statement seemed to say you couldn't be friends with people who disagree with you. If I'm wrong, I apologise.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:47:32 AM »

I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest.

"transgender butch lesbian"

I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?

I get tired.

Go find a genius.

The world is *censored*ty and even a genius probably couldn't fix it. I suggest you stop trying so hard to do so. Stop attacking people, make some friends, and do some good in your local community.

I'm relieved that you couldn't bring evidence of you killing millions, though. I might have had to report that to the mod.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:35:59 AM »

I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest.

"transgender butch lesbian"

I'm sorry, the board caught you muttering something under your breath. Was that response supposed to mean anything to those who don't have a pipeline to your mind?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:31:38 AM »

I'm interested to hear how you have killed millions of people. Sounds like a lot of work, to be honest.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:22:16 AM »

I mean what's up with you people.

I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.

Why?

Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.

Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.

I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?

Because I believe in Heaven.

Free Will.

It doesn't matter.

My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?

I am not your friend.

I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.

If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.

My apologies, I won't call you friend again. I'm a mental health support worker who works with mentally ill people, and somehow you triggered me into using my usual calming phrases. Don't worry, every now and then I run into one who gets upset about being called a friend, as well.

well what term do you tell your polar opposite non-friends (I just know you don't have enemies; well, maybe me now) to use for you?

If they object to being called friend or mate, (in the English sense of it being a synonym to friend,) I just call them their name. I'm happy to refer to you using your preferred terms. Do you think that's fair? Referring to people in the way they would like to be referred to?

Your non-answer confirms what I thought. Thanks

Lol. I flat out said I'd call you your name. No none answer there, Ephrem.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:21:34 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.

Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.

Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?

No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.

Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

This is what I think is going on:

The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.

Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.

For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.

The richest family in the world is smarter than me.

The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.

"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.

For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?

What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?

Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.

Ballots needn't be involved.

Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.

Hmm.

Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?

Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.

It's like you don't understand blackmail.

Do you understand blackmail?

I do understand the concept of blackmail. Could you please explain, in full detail, what you think has happened in this situation? Instead of just giving us vague implications?

Nope. I'm done here. If you don't get it, then I concede that I am the one here who is insane.

Insane is an ugly word, full of implications. I think you could benefit from reaching out and talking to unbiased people, who have qualifications to help people feel better about themselves and their situation. I hope you do so.

Unbiased?

Do you mean, agnostic?

I like agnostics.

When I ask agnostics hot-button questions (like, "are transwomen women?") they say "I don't know" and they mean it.

I like those kinds of people don't you?

No. No, you don't.

It can be hard to find a therapist out there that vibes, and sometimes you have to try a few times to find one that works with you. Just like a spouse. I encourage you to find a therapist even if there's some legwork involved.

Please don't use your predetermined decision of how I think to formulate your replies. I do not, in fact, dislike agnostics. I love agnostics. If they are truly agnostic, it's a chance to give them my arguments and perhaps it will sway them.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:14:50 AM »

I mean what's up with you people.

I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.

Why?

Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.

Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.

I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?

Because I believe in Heaven.

Free Will.

It doesn't matter.

My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?

I am not your friend.

I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.

If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.

My apologies, I won't call you friend again. I'm a mental health support worker who works with mentally ill people, and somehow you triggered me into using my usual calming phrases. Don't worry, every now and then I run into one who gets upset about being called a friend, as well.

well what term do you tell your polar opposite non-friends (I just know you don't have enemies; well, maybe me now) to use for you?

If they object to being called friend or mate, (in the English sense of it being a synonym to friend,) I just call them their name. I'm happy to refer to you using your preferred terms. Do you think that's fair? Referring to people in the way they would like to be referred to?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:11:35 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.

Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.

Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?

No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.

Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

This is what I think is going on:

The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.

Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.

For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.

The richest family in the world is smarter than me.

The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.

"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.

For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?

What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?

Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.

Ballots needn't be involved.

Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.

Hmm.

Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?

Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.

It's like you don't understand blackmail.

Do you understand blackmail?

I do understand the concept of blackmail. Could you please explain, in full detail, what you think has happened in this situation? Instead of just giving us vague implications?

Nope. I'm done here. If you don't get it, then I concede that I am the one here who is insane.

Insane is an ugly word, full of implications. I think you could benefit from reaching out and talking to unbiased people, who have qualifications to help people feel better about themselves and their situation. I hope you do so.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 09:00:56 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.

Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.

Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?

No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.

Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

This is what I think is going on:

The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.

Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.

For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.

The richest family in the world is smarter than me.

The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.

"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.

For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?

What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?

Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.

Ballots needn't be involved.

Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.

Hmm.

Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?

Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.

It's like you don't understand blackmail.

Do you understand blackmail?

I do understand the concept of blackmail. Could you please explain, in full detail, what you think has happened in this situation? Instead of just giving us vague implications?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:59:18 AM »

I mean what's up with you people.

I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.

Why?

Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.

Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.

I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?

Because I believe in Heaven.

Free Will.

It doesn't matter.

My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?

I am not your friend.

I am, in fact, your enemy; please refer to me as such, thanks.

If you don't bet me $1, you don't understand.

My apologies, I won't call you friend again. I'm a mental health support worker who works with mentally ill people, and somehow you triggered me into using my usual calming phrases. Don't worry, every now and then I run into one who gets upset about being called a friend, as well.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:56:20 AM »

Josh - "I don't "agree to disagree" with my friends on important topics. That's not an act of friendship."

"I won't be friends with people who disagree with me on spurious things."

Refreshingly honest of you.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:52:29 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.

Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.

Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?

No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.

Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

This is what I think is going on:

The richest family in the world is necessarily non-Christian.

Non-Christians have an endless number of boundaries to push that Christians do not.

For example: non-Christians, if their survival depends on it, will kill the innocent.

The richest family in the world is smarter than me.

The richest family in the world knows how to "steal" an election if their survival depends on it.

"Stolen" in this context, is, admittedly, difficult.

For example: what would have been the outcome of the election if the Steele Dossier never existed?

What if also, the CIA validated Hunter Biden's laptop as really his?

Votes can be stolen through lies, by tricking the non-critical thinkers, and there's a *lot* of them.

Ballots needn't be involved.

Brainwashing is sufficient to "steal" an election.

Hmm.

Is this theory similar to the one where the FBI announced an investigation into H.Clinton's emails that ultimately turned out to be nothing, just before a presidential election that she barely lost?

Perhaps the governmental organizations learned their lessons from *that* mistake and weren't eager to replicate it four years on.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:49:56 AM »

I mean what's up with you people.

I'm offered the choice to kill my worst enemy WITH NO CONSEQUENCE, or die, then I choose to die.

Why?

Because I really, really, truly do believe in Heaven.

Heaven will be *better* than this, guaranteed.

I might be wrong about that, but it doesn't matter, and do you know why?

Because I believe in Heaven.

Free Will.

It doesn't matter.

My friend, we understand. As best we can. We just disagree. And we choose not to engage with you on these things. Whatever you have going on in your brain to sort these things out, surely, screaming into the aether on a message board with twenty people on it isn't required to get you to Heaven, yes?

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:24:44 AM »

note: according to Google Trends, the most times "Rothschilds" has been searched for since 2004 was in November 2016.

hmmmmm

Yes. Like I said, social media allows wild, undocumented stuff to spread stupidly fast. And if it was your friend who shared it with you, *surely* it must be right.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:23:36 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

Imagine that Joe Biden is a puppet controlled by the Rothschilds.

Imagine the Rothschilds have blackmail material on every politician they want to have blackmail material on.

Can you connect the rest of the dots or should I?

No need, I'm aware of conspiracy theories. I just don't believe them. Not to say I don't think billionaire level rich people aren't pulling off some wild BS in the background. Look at Musk manipulating Tesla stocks via Twitter and receiving a half million dollar fine. I just don't think there's an evil world council headed up by Soros or whoever.

Anyway, you never answered the question. Please define the word "stolen," in context to the 2020 election. I, and others, genuinely don't know what you mean by that.

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General Comments / Re: The Trump Papers

« on: May 28, 2023, 08:07:01 AM »

There's a non-zero probability that the 2020 Presidential election was stolen.

It'll be pretty interesting if that is proven to be the case.

Could you please define the word stolen here? In context to your comment?

Do you mean there were false ballots? If so, why wasn't that case taken to court, and if it did go to court, what was the result?

I suspect you might be referring to how mass media focused on Trump and his exploits. What I think you're forgetting, due to eight years of a relatively scandal free Obama administration, is that the media has always, since the very beginning, been right up every President's arse. You think CNN declined to cover Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky? That they *weren't* covering that 24/7?

The social media aspect is new, but not new enough that soulless *censored* on both sides haven't begun making strategies to have Joe SixPack spread their ideas almost as well as a paid commercial, all at the cost of one intern tweeting a few times. How many fat and unhealthy people refused the COVID vaccine and died because their Facebook feed was full of lies? There's an entire subreddit dedicated to documenting it, it's r/HermanCainAward for those interested.

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General Comments / Re: What do the Grammy's prove?

« on: May 27, 2023, 06:06:23 PM »

I wonder which bathroom Mrs Doubtfire used in public?

Lol him forgetting which costume he was wearing literally led to him going back to his boss's table wearing the wrong one and telling nine year olds that race horses need to pee a lot.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 27, 2023, 04:04:09 PM »

You can say my ideas are deluded, but your backup is God. And no one can deny God. Everyone take that as you will.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 27, 2023, 04:02:37 PM »

Josh, the only chip I ever had was that you were a Catholic and just didn't acknowledge it. You hold all of the same beliefs, all of the same arguments, if it looks like a duck etc.

I have good friends who believe some pretty insane *censored* but we're still friends. My Muslim friend trying to show me Muslim beliefs never tries to say they are not Muslim. They own it. And then we agree to disagree and go along, much as Pete and I do.

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General Comments / Re: What do the Grammy's prove?

« on: May 27, 2023, 02:35:28 PM »

Yo so I know I just said I don't read your posts, and most I don't, when you start screeching. That one was short and sweet, on topic. And you mentioned Mr Rogers. I agree. Kids today should still be watching reruns of that. I bet you like his lessons on tolerance and loving different people, about not holding hate in your heart. Right?

Anyway, I loved Mrs Doubtfire when I was nine years old but watching it as an adult, it comes across a bit different. The man-child gets divorce put on him for understandable reasons, gets upset that because he doesn't have a job or a suitable home he only gets visitations, and then he makes a choice.

To dress up and infiltrate the home of his ex and children. To try and manipulate his ex. To get found out by his kids and bring them into the manipulation. To top it off, he finds out his ex's new boyfriend has a severe allergy to...what was it, cayenne pepper? And makes sure it gets put in his food. So let's call that attempted murder. Tongue in cheek, but he also led on that poor bus driver!

Anyway, film ends on a happy note with none of the consequences, it was the early 90's. What I find hilarious is the fact that one part of the happy ending is that Robin William's character gets hired for good money to dress up as a woman and make a widely watched show for young children where he teaches them good morals.

Did you even *watch* this movie, Ephrem?

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General Comments / Re: (Re)Introduction

« on: May 27, 2023, 02:21:03 PM »

What could possibly give a man more power than to be infallible about faith and morals?

Why should being correct about moral issues make you powerful? It just makes you correct. If he does have worldly power it comes from administrative organization, not from his knowledge of the teachings of the Church.

If one man and only one man has the power to decide "faith and morals" then what happens to those who disagree with him?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Ever heard that?

He doesn't have the power to decide it. It is his job to teach a series of facts, and to work along with others to glean more and more from them.

I would like to point out that you are arguing from a position of profound ignorance, which in itself is ok, except that you accompany it with arrogant certainty. Rather than being vexing, I must admit I just find it boring.

Agreed on the boring, I literally just scroll past any Ephrem post. I suggest you all do the same. Core rule of the internet, people. Don't feed the trolls.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 27, 2023, 02:18:04 PM »

In the hypothetical universe that your God doesn't exist, does homosexuality remain "evil" or not?

In a hypothetical universe where triangles have four sides, what is the sum of the interior angles of a triangle?

:SHRUG:. It's a nonsensical question.

God exists. The existence of the universe as we know it implies the existence of a God which is eternal, unchanging, perfect, good and so on. I can't imagine a Universe like this one that doesn't have God. That universe wouldn't make any sense at all; things wouldn't happen for reasons, our senses wouldn't be able to tell us about reality, and so on.

If your question is: Does morality depend epistemologically on God? Yes, God is the fundamental source of all of reality, including morality.

*You* can't imagine.

That universe wouldn't make any sense at all for *you.*

You do understand that we are not all beholden to follow your Philosophy 101 arguments combined with your religious mindset arguments on this, yes? You can have all the faith you want, and I get it, religion requires believing things without proof. This kind of just declaring things because you said so and God obviously wills it is just the world's oldest version of *censored* posting.

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General Comments / Re: Cutting the Judas cradle out of the LGB flag

« on: May 25, 2023, 05:57:37 PM »

It's a small community, but never let it be said that Ornery can never light up a thread into a dumpster fire that can compete with much bigger foes on the rest of the internet.

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General Comments / Re: Random question

« on: May 24, 2023, 07:36:14 PM »

Sakeriver. They closed down a few years ago.

Ah. That's a shame. Thank you for the answer.

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General Comments / Re: Debt Limit Standoff

« on: May 24, 2023, 06:51:37 PM »

That's because raising taxes doesn't necessarily mean more money coming into the government. Like Princess Leia Organa told the Grand Moff when he threatened to raise her taxes because she was the 1%: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more my money will slip through your fingers."

Raising corporate taxes just means inflation goes up as they raise their prices. ChatGPT just told me that the national debt doesn't directly drive food price inflation but I'm not sure I'm buying it. We know the trouble with out of control national debts is money printing and inflation and we know we've already seen a lot of that here. It's not a coincidence. We want to talk about the problems of default but we shouldn't ignore the cracks in the system we're seeing right now such as with food price inflation. That's hitting people right in the gut, literally, and poor people who are already having trouble eating healthfully most of all.

Not gonna have you *censored* talk Leia here. She was talking about authoritarians tightening their grips. Eh. Maybe it was a joke.

You do understand the entire prequel trilogy was about the little people being abused by the rich people, and that one guy who managed to be more evil then them all tricking them into giving him ultimate power?

Nah, it was a joke.

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General Comments / Re: Debt Limit Standoff

« on: May 24, 2023, 05:16:27 PM »

And yeah, part of the national budget getting bigger every year is capitalistics increasing their spread. Of course. I don't really think we should be taking away from Medicare, Social Security, or other "beneficiaries that have already been paid for. I mean, you want to tell the DoD they need to put their head in, you do you, friend. I don't see that coming soon. Where exactly would you like to reduce the federal budget, and in what way?

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General Comments / Re: Debt Limit Standoff

« on: May 24, 2023, 05:11:48 PM »

I'll put it this way.

If a default is the only way to start getting the national debt paid off then a default is the less of two evils.

A default is orders of magnitude less damaging to the country and the world than a U.S. national debt of a hundred trillion dollars in thirty years of so.

We should make our stand now and not leave it for our children and grandchildren. We should say this is the debt limit. No further. The buck stops with us.

As for economists, insert your random economist joke here...

Why did the economist become a stand-up comedian?

Because they realized their economic forecasts were a joke.

I'm going to take this opinion seriously, because I can respect you enough to know you actually believe what you say. That can be rare these days, you know?

Anyway. if technology advanced enough to where we could have, at the very least, 8/10 healthcare for anyone who needed it. Enough carbon neutral energy to get us by. Robots of all sorts doing our former jobs.

Here's my question. If, and I know you're skeptical about that situation, that idea became fact, who would you support? The hundred millions rebelling, or the capitalistic few, who you don't really have much to say against. Have you said something bad Eton? Eh. Perhaps you have.

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General Comments / Re: Random question

« on: May 24, 2023, 04:58:38 PM »

On a side note, what're the odds on Master Alvin? I would have bet against the latest Bean/Ender book coming out, but it did. Even if it was what it was.

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General Comments / Re: Debt Limit Standoff

« on: May 24, 2023, 04:54:11 PM »

If Republicans were serious about the debt they would accept tax increases to go along with spending cuts.

Attacking the problem from both directions is the responsible way to do it.

MSquared, I know you are actually conservative and therefore we can not be friends, but I must warn you - this type of argument is not good for your political life expectancy.

Would you like to make friends?

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General Comments / Re: Random question

« on: May 24, 2023, 04:52:04 PM »

I don't think it was even Card related other then the name was vaguely related to the Alvin Maker books. It was very unapologetically left wing.

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General Comments / Random question

« on: May 24, 2023, 04:13:13 PM »

There was a third board, very vaguely attributed to Card, that wasn't Hatrack. Got banned from there 15 years ago but thinking about asking back in. Think the name had something to do with the Alvin Maker books? Anyway, it was running pretty strong back then and I'd be surprised if it wasn't still going. Tom at least was there, think Wayward as well.