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General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 22, 2021, 09:26:46 AM »
The only thing I've learned here is:  Don't trust the CDC.

No one should trust any source blindly. I've had the wrong numbers in some of my work, or a faulty explanation. It doesn't mean I can't be trusted in the sense that anything I do should be viewed with suspicion. If I say something that doesn't ring true to someone, I would expect them to examine my premises and find alternate sources of information.

WHO has a better definition.

Vaccination is the administration of agent-specific, but safe, antigenic components that in vaccinated individuals can induce protective immunity against the corresponding infectious agent.

And a very thorough breakdown from Winchester Hospital

The concept behind vaccines is to stimulate an antibody memory response without producing an actual illness. When this happens, you get the immunity without getting sick. A vaccine must contain at least one antigen from the bacteria or virus in order to get a response.

There are several ways an antigen can be used:

Attenuated live viruses—Weakened forms of a live virus. They do not cause illness, but will create an immune response. Examples include the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and chickenpox vaccines.
Inactivated viruses—A version of the virus that has been killed. Although the virus is dead, antibodies will still be produced. Examples include the polio vaccine.
Recombinant—Viruses are made in a lab through genetic engineering. This way, a specific gene can be reproduced. The human papillomavirus (HPV) has several strains. The HPV vaccine can be tailored to protect against strains that cause cervical cancer.
Conjugate—Bacteria and virus antigens may have a polysaccharide coating, a sugar-like substance to protect it. Conjugate vaccines work around the disguise to recognize the bacteria. The Hib vaccine is an example of a conjugate.
Subunit—Uses only the antigens that stimulate an immune response. The flu shot is a subunit vaccine.
Toxiod—Inactivated versions of bacterial toxins are used to make the immunity. Examples include the tetanus and diphtheria vaccines.

Nobody would be going on about it still if you'd just accept CDC can make a mistake, instead of trying to use their lousy definition to throw shade over every other piece of information they provide.

General Comments / Re: Terrible electricity problems
« on: June 22, 2021, 09:10:06 AM »
The engineers? Yes.

The people paying for it and making decisions on what is implemented? Not so much.

You mean the highly efficient free market and private companies made that mistake? Because I think we all see clearly now that the utility commission just rubber stamps whatever those guys want to do.

I'll just chill out here unless you have some kind of source that shows a correlation between underproduction by wind farms versus targets and shortages. Wind turbines, notably, lost less percentage of its production during the ice storms than natural gas.

General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 21, 2021, 09:18:39 AM »
The antibodies produced by the Moderna or Pfizer jab may or may not show up in an antibody test. If this becomes common knowledge, I fear this could lend to the perception that those injections do not produce antibodies.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) discourages antibody testing for assessing immunity after getting the vaccine.

A vaccinated person is very likely to get a negative result from a serology test, even if the vaccine was successful and protective. That’s because different serology tests detect antibodies to different parts of the virus.

Some tests detect antibodies to the spike protein of the virus, which are produced in response to viral infection or the vaccine. Others detect antibodies to a different part of the virus called the nucleocapsid protein, which are produced in response to infection, but not by the current vaccines.

General Comments / Re: Terrible electricity problems
« on: June 21, 2021, 09:07:32 AM »
Luckily they'll be able to build a lot more generators using the windfall profits they made when they gouged residents due to high demand they created by not weatherizing their plants. Every regulated state would have A) built more capacity. B) mandated weatherization. C) protected consumers from price fluctuation. But deregulation cures all and meets all demand, I thought? Deregulation maximizes profit, not necessarily service.

What Ted said is a matter of fact not narrative. He criticized California for doing exactly what Texas is doing. Maybe you need to drop the newsmax feed, and pay attention to the fact that every time someone has blamed wind production for Texas power problems they have zero data or analysis to back that up with. There is no article "Less wind in June leads to underproduction and blackouts". The wind production is exactly where it was supposed to be, until I hear different. Next you'll want to blame solar, but you also won't find an article, "Overreliance on solar energy leads to overnight blackouts in Texas". Not even articles written by the people who want to demolish clean energy and burn loads more coal.

Do you really think that the hundreds of electrical, mechanical, and civil engineers pulled a collective headslap and never accounted for variability from these energy sources?

General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 19, 2021, 09:49:06 PM »
That page is trying to explain vaccines to dumb people. What did you want them to do, delve into the intricacies of mRNA vaccine production? They're like, maybe the mouth breathers can comprehend this. And yeah, they should have been either more precise or more vague, but let's come back to the original reason that you wanted to highlight that this "isn't a vaccine". Why was that again? It seems to be an important point for you, edg.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 19, 2021, 05:24:23 PM »

According to the conspiracy theory known as “Italygate,” people working for the Italian defense contractor, in coordination with senior CIA officials, used military satellites to switch votes from Trump to Joe Biden and swing the result of the election.

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 18, 2021, 10:53:04 AM »
She was in the lead, that's why she got shot. Intent on killing Nancy Pelosi, as far as that officer has to assume. She wasn't just wandering around the lobby waving a Trump flag. She was just yards away from her potential targets.

If it had just been her, I'd consider it excessive and that non-lethal would be very much preferable. If there hadn't been lawmakers seconds away from her, same thing.

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 17, 2021, 03:19:52 PM »
Gotta support the blue. Unless you are one of the 21 republicans who refused to award the Congressional Gold Medal to officers who defended the capitol and their very lives.

Lauren Boebert of Colorado
John Rose of Tennessee
Andy Harris of Maryland
Thomas Massie of Kentucky
Bob Good of Virginia
Louie Gohmert of Texas
Barry Moore of Alabama
Ralph Norman of South Carolina
Matt Rosendale of Montana
Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia
Chip Roy of Texas
Paul Gosar of Arizona
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Warren Davidson of Ohio
Scott Perry of Pennsylvania
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Greg Steube of Florida
Andrew Clyde of Georgia
Jody Hice of Georgia
Mary Miller of Illinois
Michael Cloud of Texas

Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger, who has been an outspoken critic of former President Donald Trump and his supporters that remain in the House, publicly criticized his 21 colleagues who voted against the legislation.
"How you can vote no to this is beyond me," Kinzinger tweeted after the vote. "Then again, denying an insurrection is as well. To the brave Capitol (and DC metro PD) thank you. To the 21: they will continue to defend your right to vote no anyway."

General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 17, 2021, 03:07:59 PM »
Most of the people I know who had covid took the vaccine as well. But I could see someone rational thinking that if they already got it, they have the antibodies, so why bother? The picture might be rosier if we totalled up the number of people unvaccinated who already had covid. I know the advice is to get it for more protection, but repeat infections have been rare as far as I know, somewhere in the realm of vaccination?

An early study by Public Health England, indicated
that antibodies provide 83% protection against
covid-19 reinfections over a five month period. Out
of 6614 participants, 44 had “possible” or “probable”

General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 17, 2021, 01:43:38 PM »
hit by a bat for three days.

Okay the first time I read this, I pictured the flying mammal.  :o

General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?
« on: June 17, 2021, 12:27:12 PM »
Moderna x 2

Almost no side effects. A little difficulty concentrating for an hour or two.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 16, 2021, 10:52:24 AM »
I'm vaccinated and just generally follow the guidance of the establishment. Many places in Texas are now removing the "unvaccinated wear masks" signs which were largely futile. At least employees don't have to be abused or physically assaulted.

I'd generally make a different decision if I were in a larger group, if my area had significant cases, or if my area had poor vaccination.

Florida was a complete fiasco, and my girlfriends cousin mocked me for wearing a mask and I just gave up.

General Comments / Terrible electricity problems
« on: June 15, 2021, 04:10:18 PM »
So now, after collapsing under a freeze, Texas electric grid is fixing to collapse again this time because its hot.

ERCOT asked Texas residents to set their thermostat to 78 degrees or higher; turn off lights and pool pumps and avoid using large appliances; and turn off and unplug unused electric items.
The advice is altogether similar to California's recommendations last summer during its own heat wave. At the time, US Sen. Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, attacked California's conservation pleas as representative of a "train wreck of an energy policy."

"It's hot everywhere—try Texas every summertime—but the rest of the country doesn't have such a dysfunctional state govt that you can't turn the lights on or run A/C. That's a policy failure of the Dems," he said then.

That soundbite didn't age too well.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 15, 2021, 04:01:12 PM »
Disturbingly, the most recent data seems to suggest a leveling off of cases at about 14k. Too early to say if we're looking at a corresponding leveling of deaths.

The most recent deaths per day (7 day average) is showing ~300 deaths per day. That would still translate to 110,000 per year if it were to stay in that range.

Cherry, I'm not really sure why you save your biggest ire for government mask recommendations for vaccinated people, rather than the unvaccinated people ignoring mask advice, or people willfully refusing vaccines, or people peddling disinformation about vaccines.

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 14, 2021, 04:44:18 PM »
Not really sure why we're thinking the FBI and DOJ didn't use social media to track down violent BLM protesters.

Agents from the FBI and ATF learned about the fire at Ember+Forge by watching videos posted on social media from the protests in Erie that night. “That’s where we got a lot of our information from,” said Deputy Police Chief Mike Nolan, “and the FBI also saw some of that activity and contacted us.”

The FBI asked the Erie police about a couple of incidents officials had seen on video that “met their criteria” and said the agency would be willing to consider taking on cases of arson and anything involving an incendiary device, Nolan said. He didn’t know what the FBI’s criteria were, noting that “it changes based on what their priorities are at that given time.” Nolan said that the Erie police had a “strong relationship” with their federal partners but that his department had no say in which cases federal prosecutors took on.

According to the criminal complaint against Barnett, Cuba, the FBI agent, matched the clothing and hair of the man seen lighting the fire in the Facebook Live video Kirby saw to other videos from that night posted on social media that allegedly show Barnett wearing the same clothes.

Not to mention most of the Jan 6 rioters weren't making private posts in the first place, plenty of them dumped the information out on twitter proudly for the entire world to see. A whole lot of this:

Lazo took a Phillipine Walis Tambo broom with him to the Capitol, posting on Facebook that he "swept the floor literally," according to federal charging documents. He posted multiple photos of himself in the outfit he planned to wear on Jan. 6. and then posted photos of himself inside the Capitol, which helped the FBI to locate him in surveillance footage.

There have been search warrants issued in many of these cases to obtain private Facebook messages. Are there any concrete examples of such that have been obtained illegally? I can't seem to find anything but I didn't search really hard for it.

There is pretty broad legal agreement that existing law doesn't protect information shared with a third party, and Facebook is a third party.

When one applies the third-party doctrine to social
media information, one finds that individuals do not have a
reasonable expectation of privacy in social media data. As a
result, government agents can presumably gain access to
posted social media data without meeting any probable cause
requirements. As soon as one posts information on a social
platform, the poster discloses information to the third party
platform operator. 23 Moreover, for most social networking
posts, all of the members within a user's social network also
receive access to the published information. In "Wall-to-Wall"-
type conversations between two users,2 4 the rest of the users'
social network functions as third parties to whom the content
publisher and recipient have voluntarily disclosed information.

Yale article

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 14, 2021, 01:55:59 PM »
That's a very broad view of "the government". You'd have to have people who don't trust our government, but also don't trust any other government. Plus, you'd have to somehow call millions of doctors working in private health untrustworthy because they are not in the government.

It seems to me that the group I'm talking about, regardless of demographics are actually PROUD of not taking the vaccine, and move from "distrust" in the government to "paranoia".

This type of behaviour:

Adherents of far-right groups who cluster online have turned repeatedly to one particular website in recent weeks — the federal database showing deaths and adverse reactions nationwide among people who have received Covid-19 vaccinations.

Although negative reactions have been relatively rare, the numbers are used by many extremist groups to try to bolster a rash of false and alarmist disinformation in articles and videos with titles like “Covid-19 Vaccines Are Weapons of Mass Destruction — and Could Wipe out the Human Race” or “Doctors and Nurses Giving the Covid-19 Vaccine Will be Tried as War Criminals.”

Bashing of the safety and efficacy of vaccines is occurring in chatrooms frequented by all manner of right-wing groups including the Proud Boys; the Boogaloo movement, a loose affiliation known for wanting to spark a second Civil War; and various paramilitary organizations.

Across right-wing channels online, certain constant memes have emerged attacking the vaccine, like a cartoon suggesting that what started with mask mandates will end with concentration camps run by FEMA for those who refuse vaccinations.

Then there's this particular ironic gem, as an aside:

In Idaho, the far-right activist Ammon Bundy helped to push for a proposed state law to ban any mandatory vaccines, although work stalled after the legislature suspended its work on March 19 for more than two weeks because too many lawmakers contracted the coronavirus.

Far-Right Extremists Move From ‘Stop the Steal’ to Stop the Vaccine (paywall)

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 13, 2021, 02:29:39 PM »
You continue to miss the point. Uneducated black people may well refuse a vaccine. They aren't the ones leading the charge on anti Vax legislation. They by and large weren't the ones demanding to be served without a mask. They aren't the ones waving their oversized flags around and insisting that the plague is fake, or that people shouldn't "live in fear". That lands squarely in the redneck demographic, of which Mississippi has an abundance.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 12, 2021, 08:46:56 AM »
Redneck: a working-class white person, especially a politically reactionary one from a rural area.

As it isn't an official designation, I don't have a cross table for you. While there are people falling outside that category, those are the ones who are loud and proud about how they will never get a vaccine. As opposed to reluctant people based on safety or perhaps access.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 11, 2021, 04:33:57 PM »
You think getting a high school diploma, from Mississippi, is some kind of mark of intelligence?

'Mississippi snagged the title of least educated thanks to its poor performance in several categories. Among U.S. states, Mississippi is third lowest in the percent of its population with a high school diploma at 83.4 percent; fifth lowest in percent with some college experience or an associate's degree at 53 percent; the second lowest with a bachelor's degree at 21.3 percent; and the fourth lowest with a graduate or professional degree at just 8 percent.

Mississippi Least Educated Despite Bryant's 'Better Than Ever' Claim

How much you want to bet that the 17% who couldn't manage a high school diploma are also unvaccinated?

Are there some smart people in MS? Sure. They have college professors with PhD. But those aren't the folks skipping out on vaccinations, by and large.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 11, 2021, 03:57:56 PM »
Every rural area has access to healthcare. If you shop for groceries you have access to vaccination at this point. There might be a problem for those living off their own land, but every CVS, Walgreens, and Walmart have vaccine as far as I know. It was a big problem back in April with mass vaccination sites only in urban locations, but not so much now.


Twice as many people without college degrees are opting out of vaccination. I didn't pick Mississippi by acccident, they have the worst education levels in the country. That's a straight up fact. You can identify them by their illiterate social media posts and breitbart comments as well.


Flying giant confederate flag from their pickup that is missing at least one hubcap and burns oil leaving a plume of black exhaust blaring outlaw country.

NY Times:

A closer look at Mississippi’s demographics explains why hesitancy may be especially pronounced. The state reliably votes Republican, a group that remains highly skeptical of the coronavirus vaccine. Nearly half of all Republican men and 40 percent of Republicans over all have said they do not plan to get vaccinated, according to several recent surveys. Those figures have barely budged in the months since vaccines first became available. By contrast, just 4 percent of Democrats have said they will not get the vaccine.

So that's 10x more idiots who identify as Republican camp than Democrat.

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 11, 2021, 02:46:36 PM »
Trump made it clear that he was complicit when he sat on his hands and wallowed in the chaotic violence. He attacked pence in a tweet while Pence was being evacuated. It took fifteen more minutes for him to call for people to stay peaceful. Please note he did not tell everyone to go home. Not until two more hours of chaos had persisted. If he DIDN'T intend for those things to happen, why wouldn't he have tried to stop it?

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 11, 2021, 02:38:38 PM »
More evidence that "Red State People" are the only ones hesitant about getting vaccinated.

I meant to say aren't the only ones.

Looks like those concussions are adding up. But also, are you sure there is not a correlation between conservatives and the football players that are opting out?

Meanwhile, look at a map. Vermont has 62% vax, Mississippi 32%. That's not a coincidence, that's moronic mouth breathing rednecks doing what they do best.

36% of Republicans are hesitant, compared to 6% of Democrats.

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 10, 2021, 09:57:39 AM »
Can anyone say with a straight face that Trump could not have prevented Jan 6 violence if he had chosen not to be pugilistic, petulant, and petty? Did he CAUSE it? Don't know. But it never happens if he were a better man.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 10, 2021, 09:54:57 AM »
Many professional software experts did attest that the voting machines did move Trump votes into the Biden totals. Makes total sense.

Really??  Which voting machines?  Who manufactured those machines?

Let's name names.  ;D

Not even one software professional attested that any voting machines moved votes based on their professional evaluation.

And all these smoking affidavits, where are they? They're being suppressed, so one would think they would all be published somewhere for us to review?

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 09, 2021, 05:12:08 PM »
Sherri Tenpenny, a Cleveland-based doctor invited as an expert witness Tuesday to a hearing in the Ohio House, had a grave warning for legislators about coronavirus vaccines.

The anti-vaccination advocate known for spreading unfounded claims falsely told legislators that the drugs could leave people “magnetized.”

“I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the Internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized,” Tenpenny said. “They can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. They can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick, because now we think that there’s a metal piece to that.”

And they call this a MINUS? Being magnetic would be awesome. Funny I didn't see people getting pulled out of line at the airport.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:54:34 PM »
Trumpian lawyers pushed statements that turned out to be hearsay, irrelevant (poll worker gave a dirty look to a poll watcher), based on misunderstandings of rules, and general idiocy like the guy who claimed he saw a truckload of ballots go out of stat and later recanted.

State lawyers, both (R) and (D), defended their election boards from wild accusations by getting most of the foolishness thrown out quickly by judges appointed by both (R) and (D).

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 08, 2021, 04:54:32 PM »
According to court documents, Mellis later wrote on Facebook, "Don't you dare try to tell that people are blaming this on antifa and BLM. We proudly take responsibility for storming the Castle."

Jonathan Gennaro Mellis

Forcibly Assault, Resist, Oppose, Impede, Intimidate, or Interfere with Officers and Aiding and Abetting; Civil Disorder; Restricted Building or Grounds; Violent Entry or Disorderly Conduct, Obstruct or Impede Passage and engage in Physical Violence on Capitol Grounds; Obstruction of Justice/Congress

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:56:07 PM »
Even if you can't prove there isn't a monkey in my sock drawer, you can say that my claim lacks credibility.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:49:57 PM »
Let's also point out that most of the forms of fraud described by claimants of fraud would clearly be fraud to the person committing it.

* signing as a witness without the original voter present
* casting a ballot in someone else's name
* throwing away ballots
* paying someone for their vote
* driving truckloads of ballots out of state for some reason
* importing ballots from China

The exception would be some sort of electronic manipulation, assuming it could be done remotely. If done locally, you're back to getting hundreds of election officials to provide access to machines. Or some kind  of secret code slipped into a master update.

But the latter scenario isn't helped by voter ID laws or other measures proposed to stop fraud.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:22:36 PM »
So let me get it straight, Democrats are both evil geniuses and idiots who can't do anything right? You saw, right? Those are the guys who fired up a smokescreen so complete that they've stolen a nationwide election?

I don't really have any skin in the game on this issue, but I don't think this type of argument holds water. The whole "how can government maintain a conspiracy when they are incompetent" argument can be used to 'refute' any sort of cover-up or covert actions, but doesn't address that the government isn't a single person with a single 'character'. No doubt some sorts of assemblages of officials can't do anything right, whereas others types of sub-specialists can do pinpoint precision work with zero trace. And even large-scale projects such as the Manhattan Project are capable of being kept undercover even while involving many high-ranking officials. So it's not that it can't be done, it's just that it depends on what sort of operation we're talking about and what the stakes are.

I think it can't be extended in all cases, but let me attempt to improve on my point. Hundreds of grass roots organizers are collecting and modifying ballots, voting under false or unused registrations, coercing or otherwise taking advantage of compromised voters - including the elderly, or some other such scheme. None of them - not one - gets caught doing this affecting more than a handful of ballots at most. Nobody breaks OPSEC protocols and posts about it on social media. Everyone solicited to do such work agrees or at least goes along with it and doesn't blow the whistle. All under significant scrutiny by poll workers, auditors, poll watchers, and the general public.

Making it somewhat more relevant, let's compare instead to the Iowa caucuses since it involves many of the same kind of people supposedly embroiled in brilliant fraud. The app they decided to use worked like garbage, they were incapable of counting 175,000 ballots cast by their own party in the primary.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:18:26 AM »
Is it really so baffling to you Cherry? You refuse to admit that any voting security measure has a downside in terms of limiting ballot access. You accept some small amount of fraud in exchange for enabling a certain percentage of people to vote when they would otherwise find it difficult or impossible.

Significant fraud gets caught even on a local level, it just does.

On the first day of the evidentiary hearing, state elections director Kim Strach said the evidence would show that "a coordinated, unlawful and substantially resourced absentee ballot scheme operated in the 2018 general election".[16] Lisa Britt, the daughter of Dowless's ex-wife as well as one of his employees, said Dowless and his associates had collected ballots from voters. She then testified that the ballots were kept at Dowless' home or office for several days or longer, and that operatives would fill in votes on parts or all of some ballots to favor Republican candidates in the election.[16] She also said they had forged some witness signatures and that they had followed the direction of Dowless to take steps to avoid detection, including controlling the color of the pens used for the witness signatures, signing a different person's name as a witness to avoid having the same person as witness to too many ballots, making sure to deliver no more than nine ballots in each visit to the post office, and making sure to use post offices near where the voters lived.[16][13] Britt also said she had personally voted despite being on probation for a felony conviction and that she had taken advice from Dowless about how to do that.[13] Dowless himself was present at the hearing but refused to testify without being granted immunity from prosecution.[16]

Despite a concentrated effort to avoid getting caught, found and prosecuted.

Some people get away with insurance fraud, we don't make it dramatically more difficult to get insurance or to file a claim to attempt to eliminate every possibility of it.

As I keep saying until I'm blue in the face however, you COULD have all your safety precautions and NOT suppress voting. You could reimburse voters for lost wages and transportation, You could have ballot collecting only allowed if representatives from both parties are present. But that's not what most people really want, what they really want is to do everything possible to make sure that poor people - especially people of color, find it too onerous to vote.

So let me get it straight, Democrats are both evil geniuses and idiots who can't do anything right? You saw, right? Those are the guys who fired up a smokescreen so complete that they've stolen a nationwide election?

It sounds like there is some confusion about what a "fact" is. You can take any piece of evidence in the Hillary situation and validate it as a fact. Including what Comey did or did not say. A statement about why Comey did what he did is speculation, not a fact, unless one had a recording of him saying "I'm letting Hillary off because she is a Democrat." Otherwise, you are dealing with a conclusion, perhaps based on the synthesis of various facts, but not itself a fact.

That is a 2 liter bottle of water - fact. Migration is N% within a certain demographic - fact.

The operative definition is this:

: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
ex: These are the hard facts of the case.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 07, 2021, 03:46:21 PM »
No one denies the many attempts to scam the election by Democrats.

Your sample group for "no one" must not include any Democrats.

The Census Bureau is literally raw data. You don't have to take Bloomberg's word for it. The Bloomberg piece references the Public Policy Institute of California. They took their information from American Community Survey data. So, I guess you could argue that a self reporting system could be worth no more than a box of rocks, but its not at all equivalent to a judgement decision about a prosecution, not even a little bit.

If we are going to that level of mistrust, then I'm not sure what figures you could rely on. Is unemployment up or down? Is that simply unknowable because of the editorial perspectives that the data is used to support?

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 04, 2021, 03:23:25 PM »
Harris got the vaccine on Dec 28 on live video, and is now touring areas with low rates to encourage people to get the jab. Harris is not worried about the vaccine, and explicitly stated she would trust Fauci and other medical professionals all along.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 04, 2021, 01:13:22 PM »
Yeah I would love to see a poll of people refusing vaccine and see how many of them say it's because of Cuomo's opinion.

Now in fairness the general state of infowars is the environment leading to people rejecting any statement at all as being valid. I don't think anyone is declining to take the vaccine (or is taking it) based on what only one or a few people are saying. It's waves, or trends in statements that will have more of an effect, and especially waves that partition people into partisan camps. I think Crunch's point is that it's unusual for a Dem source to push people in the generally opposite direction that their camp has been pushing for as a rule.

These democrats were and are quite specific that they would trust medicine, but not Trump, which is probably a good idea since if you trusted him you might have climbed into a storm cellar expecting a hurricane in Alabama. It doesn't mean you are denying the field of meteorology.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 03, 2021, 07:37:00 PM »
Yeah I would love to see a poll of people refusing vaccine and see how many of them say it's because of Cuomo's opinion.

General Comments / Re: New trans laws
« on: June 03, 2021, 02:54:32 PM »
I didn't know we still had a mod. If we do, they could identify the IP address and narrow down a location. Plus I think there should be an email on file.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 03, 2021, 01:12:07 PM »
I thought of military also, however you specifically give up constitutional rights there. Search and seizure being one of them. Free speech as well, to an extent.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 03, 2021, 12:32:02 PM »
I think you are underrating how big a medical ethics issue it us to tie employment to partaking of a medical procedure. On a practical level I don't disagree that refusing to get vaccinated is a troublesome position to take. But it's not clear to me what it opens up if we deem it permissible to either de facto or in fact legally require people to undergo even simple medical procedures by governmental fiat. Now personally I think it's a no-brainer that under certain circumstances (like a Captain Tripps virus) that what we might call personal rights will essentially cease to exist on a practical level. Nothing trumps the survival of the species, more or less. Gradations less than that make it far harder to me to say what I think is proper or not. It's a pretty serious moral philosophy issue.

Ship sailed. Healthcare professionals are already required to get any number of vaccinations to protect the people under their care, many of whom are immune compromised and many of whom have severe health issues that mean a coronavirus death sentence in most cases. The moral case is pretty clear there.

Less clear are requirements for school. I felt miffed that I had to redo my MMR to attend University because the original records were long since lost, but I didn't feel my rights were being trampled upon. But I'd entertain the argument.

Houston Methodist, by the way, is a private non-profit so government fiat doesn't enter the equation. Nor would it apply to meat packing plants, football teams, or florists. I'm not yet aware of any government employees fighting against a vaccine mandate, although it is likely that certain specialized groups might have one.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 03, 2021, 10:17:15 AM »
Aren't the people working at the hospital non medical professionals, like custodians or orderly, laundry, clerical? Or are we really talking doctors and nurses? The articles I've read are unclear.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 02, 2021, 07:22:21 PM »
Thing is, the reopeners focused in like a laser on the survivability of covid infection. They set dying as a metric, one that I never thought was a great measure. But for those who did, they should look at the empirical data and at least say, hmmmm.... interesting.

General Comments / Re: New trans laws
« on: June 02, 2021, 07:18:52 PM »
Okay, so it is more but not necessarily new. Fair enough, thanks for the link.

General Comments / Re: New trans laws
« on: June 02, 2021, 02:59:29 PM »
A lot of them have been going at it for a while with completely unenforceable "bathroom" laws aimed at imaginary cross dressing rapists.

It is all about riling the base and getting donations and volunteers. It's a new version of "the queers are coming for your children" and we're the only ones who will stop them!

General Comments / Re: The Jan 6 Commission
« on: June 02, 2021, 12:24:44 PM »
The four new defendants are charged with conspiring to obstruct Congress’s confirmation of the 2020 presidential election in joint session on Jan. 6. They are accused of forcing entry through the Capitol’s East Rotunda doors after marching single-file up the steps wearing camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection and Oath Keepers insignia.

Trespass? Battery? Vandalism? Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Most of the codefendants from Oath Keepers are pleading not guilty, so it does seem we will find out if they can be convicted without "massive" plea deals for testimony.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 02, 2021, 11:40:47 AM »
The actual article, if read, contains a lot of information on why experts think this might have happened.

Nor did I present this as support for "lockdowns did no harm" or "lockdowns were good" or "lockdowns didn't lead to more deaths". I merely refute the one argument that lockdowns were going to lead to more suicides, as empirically, that did not happen. It doesn't negate dozens of other arguments including those in the category of financial and mental well being.

Should I dig up some of the quotes from people on this board who asserted that not only would suicide specifically go up, but that it might actually be worse than covid? I assure you, they exist.

General Comments / Re: Election Results
« on: June 01, 2021, 04:47:33 PM »
"I want to know why what happened in Minamar (sic)can't happen here?" a member of the audience, who identified himself as a Marine, asked Flynn.

"No reason, I mean, it should happen here. No reason. That's right," Flynn responded.

A message posted to a Parler account used by Flynn on Monday, however, claimed Flynn's words had been twisted.

"Let me be VERY CLEAR - There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort," the message said.

Lawyer Sidney Powell, who has represented Flynn in the past, said Monday that he had in no way encouraged "any act of violence or any military insurrection." She claimed the media had "grossly distorted" Flynn's comments. She did not explain why Flynn had answered the question the way he did.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: June 01, 2021, 03:06:25 PM »
FYI, suicides didn't go up. This is one of the big drums that were beaten by the REOPEN REOPEN crowd, that helped lead to a disastrous third wave during the 2020 holidays.

As unsettling as the COVID-19 pandemic has been for so many, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) say suicides in the United States actually went down nearly 6 percent last year.

The decline to fewer than 45,000 suicides is the largest annual drop in at least 4 decades, although experts say the number will likely change as some death certificates haven’t been fully processed yet.

Yep, you heard it right.


The promotion may be targeted? Although you seem to indicate this is a public post on some social media. I never would have guessed Budweiser would have a superfan. Sure it was your acquaintance from high school, sure it was.

What Wayward cited isn't an opinion, it is a fact. Higher income people are moving in to California, lower income are moving out. Now, I don't know that that supports the statement that people aren't leaving because of high taxes, but it probably isn't the primary factor for low income people. Cost of living, especially housing, is far more likely the culprit. I'll join Cali critics on that one. They need to start allowing the construction of high density rentals, particularly on the peninsula. Palo Alto preserves their homespun charm at the cost of making people commute 90 minutes to work in their restaurants.

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