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The quote was about "the typical white family" meaning they probably excluded Bezos.

source: Brookings Institute

They are using median wealth, which is a much more useful view of the data than the mean. Donald was a little sloppy calling it the average.

As an Objectivist, the biggest problem of all is the hugely unlevel playing field created by historical family wealth. Ayn Rand made it pretty clear in Atlas Shrugged that people should not extend an advantage to their children by setting up jobs for them. Like the Donald Trump effect where Fred set him up with every advantage he never had to earn. He's not unique in that regard. It's one of the reasons I've come around to ideas like full public tuition for college. Despite the fact that it violates other concepts, like transfer of wealth to accomplish other goals of equal opportunity.

General Comments / Re: The Squad
« on: August 14, 2020, 02:52:46 PM »
Oh sure, we all know about gerrymandering and safe districts. Those aren't extreme, they are common. And being a Democrat isn't extreme. You could find many such districts dominated by even the progressive wing of the party (whisper... what used to be the crazy Bernie progressive ideas are now mainstream, not extreme).

Regardless of how many policies people have really thought through, that they are wrong about, or that they support in name only - none of that bears on whether such ideas are extreme.

CATO report on poverty, wealth, and work

Decriminalizing drugs would reduce the number of people who have difficulty finding employment because of a nonviolent drug offense. A majority (55%) of Americans favor recategorizing drug offenses from felonies to civil offenses so that the offenses would be treated as minor traffic violations rather than crimes.

This is where AOC sits, not Heroin For All, wherever you got that from.

Well explain it to the whole statistical group then, if you prefer. Explain why they need to describe strategies to deal with cops that white parents don't have to. Explain to that group why realtors steer them away from certain neighborhoods.

Busing, affirmative action, and other programs that are not color blind are designed as accelerants to achieve equality more quickly.

As for those color blind poverty fixing policies?

One way to track the generosity of state benefits is something called the TANF-to-poverty ratio. It measures how many families are receiving benefits for every 100 families living in poverty. The Urban Institute, using data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, found that the whitest states have the highest TANF-to-poverty ratio. They include Vermont, which gives TANF to 78 families for every 100 families in poverty, and Oregon, which gives TANF to 46 families for every 100 families living in poverty. States that have the lowest TANF-to-poverty ratio are those with high shares of African Americans, including Louisiana, which gives benefits to four families for every 100 living in poverty, and Arkansas, which gives benefits to seven families for every 100 living in poverty. (For more on Arkansas’ changes to welfare, read my story from 2016.) About 56 percent of the country’s African Americans live in the 25 states that rank lowest on the TANF-to-poverty ratio, the Urban Institute found, as opposed to 46 percent of white people.


If it's a 10-50 year solution type of problem, then reacting fast (right or wrong) is wrong, even though it taps that feel-good button right now.

Do you want to explain to a 20 year old black man that sorry, maybe there won't be equality until his great grandkid finally grows up in equality?

Maybe we shouldn't have had a revolution, all we had to do is wait 56 years for the Reform Act. We should find waiting around for justice intolerable. I don't think we should be complacent because we're treating minorities better than China treats the Uighurs.

The other reason for resistance to class first approaches is that historical they end up being white first as well. So a lot of people are skeptical of claims that the way to be progressive is just to forget about race.

I think "forget about race" may be jumping the shark. But it might be sufficient to at least ask whether the best way to address black poverty is by addressing racism, or by addressing...poverty. Based on my phrasing you can probably guess where my vote lies.

You have to do both. Rich black people are also victims of racism. Such as rich black people who are steered to worse neighborhoods by realtors. But the problem is that they are less likely to be able to become rich in the first place because of racial profiling and other inequities that create more resistance for them to succeed. You help people in poverty, great, and those other things still exist.

I don't understand the whole "post office can't handle it" argument. You're talking about maybe 2-3 letters on average per voting household, spread out over mutliple days. Is that really more taxing than holiday cards?

"So showerheads - you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair - I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect,"

General Comments / Re: Is Our Partisanship a Threat to Our Democracy?
« on: August 13, 2020, 01:35:12 PM »
FYI, from the Orange God, DJT:

More than any country in history we've made gains toward a democracy that is enviable throughout the world.

This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system

She [Hillary Clinton] put her emails on a secret server to cover up her pay-for-play scandals in the State Department. Nothing threatens the integrity of our democracy more than when government officials put their public office up for sale.

Oh my, I'd hate to only have 2% growth in my home equity instead of 4% just so poor people can have a place to live!

It's funny, because of the loads of people who talk about the free market like to make zoning rules preventing the construction of high-density housing to protect their investment in real-estate. Separable from the issue of government sponsored low income housing (Section 8). They don't want to see apartments at all. They don't want buildings over N stories. All of which might let people have affordable housing without needing government subsidy.

As for suburbs having mixed racial makeup, do you really think that's what Trump envisions when he employs that term?

As for apologizing for Trump doing things because, "hey that's the way things were done", well who can't you give a pass to on that basis? Slave owners. Restaurateurs with coloreds only sections. Pastors who refused to marry people of mixed race. The whole point of morality is to do the right thing, even if it damages you materially. Mind you, you are also talking about doing something not only morally wrong, but legally wrong. It violated the FHA passed in 1968.

It seems to be jumping to a conclusion to call him racist for (presumably) accurately reflecting a public sentiment about their communities, which in turn it may be jumping to a conclusion to call them racist (and him by supporting them). I can tell you from first-hand evidence that the presence of low-income housing near higher-end neighborhoods can increase local crime and danger for the neighborhood. In fact it seems practically self-evident that this would be the case. It takes blinders and a desire to find boogeymen to assume this must be because racists hate the blacks, versus they don't want crime in their neighborhood.

Maybe it is just classism, but also either overt racism or subconscious racism because of the disparity along racial lines of income inequality. It says "I don't want to solve the societal problems that lead to crime, and my focus is on making sure poverty and crime just don't affect me personally."

Those suburban housewives should be thinking about making donations to support organizations, rather than spending their time lobbying against the poor having a place to live. Regardless of their race.

Remember, these people were worried about crime and their property value too. Let's not forget that the guy making this statement actively blocked black people of equivalent wealth from moving in to his all-white property.

General Comments / Re: The Squad
« on: August 12, 2020, 04:42:57 PM »
Doing the math, it sounds like about 66.7% of the population wants to be Canada.

Extreme role model, and extreme temperatures!

General Comments / Re: The Squad
« on: August 12, 2020, 04:31:40 PM »
I think Lambert has a skewed idea of "extreme" unless he means "extremely different than what I think".

69% of voters support medicare for all
67% support a $15 minimum wage
85% support mandatory paid sick leave
51% think that police are too militarized
55% support decriminalizing drugs
77% support campaign finance reform and limits on campaign spending
70% support 100% renewable energy in the near future

The only item on her platform that I could find that didn't have widespread national support would be this.

25% support abolishing ICE

I'm not sure you could call that extreme, though it is unpopular. So I hate to break it to you, wm, but these are mainstream views. There's nothing magical about the districts.

General Comments / Re: The Squad
« on: August 12, 2020, 02:00:09 PM »
Not to mention the mass votes from illegal immigrants who came from the garbage countries that the squad comes from. Why won't they just go back where they came from?

General Comments / Re: The Squad
« on: August 12, 2020, 12:21:08 PM »
Clearly it was massive voter fraud, especially vote by mail.

Seattle's City Council just cut their police budget, despite wide spread community outcry NOT to do so, their (Black and female) Police Chief has resigned in protest. And the rioting continues in Seattle.

Budget measures approved Monday will trim about $3 million of the department’s $400 million annual budget this year.

A less than 1% cut! How terrifying! It's going to be a lawless city now! Of course this happened just two years ago.

SPD’s budget will increase by 9.7% to $363 million.

I think they'll manage.

General Comments / Re: coronavirus
« on: August 11, 2020, 01:37:50 PM »
It assumes a 6 week shutdown would bring the numbers down to nearly non-existent. I highly doubt that will happen in the manner they want it to, especially in the United States. China appears to have had problems with getting their own shutdowns to work in such a manner, Covid19 still haunts them even with very intense violations of privacy and other rights we enjoy in the US.

New York eventually became a model for how you can control it. View the nice flat graph here, despite having made early mistakes and being one of the worst hit.


They have only 500 new cases per day, and about 10 deaths per day. They have achieved phase 4 of their reopening plan. This is not "full reopening", they are still keeping people out of indoor dining. Sports still have no fans in attendance. Businesses in violation get shut down after three warnings - including not following outdoor dining.

Italy is a similar success story. To accomplish this, they closed businesses and restaurants for 3 months. Do they have problems with compliance? Hell yes.

Masks often are missing or lowered in trains or buses, where they are mandatory. Young people are going out and doing the things young people do — and risk in that way spreading the virus to more susceptible parts of the population. Adults started gathering at the beach and for birthday barbecues. There is still no clear plan for a return to school in September.

There is also a burgeoning, and politically motivated, anti-mask contingent led by nationalist Matteo Salvini, who on July 27 declared that replacing handshakes and hugs with elbow bumps was “the end of the human species.”

Despite this, they have still been successful so far. Taking your lumps early and completely can get you back on track much better than stop-start with raging out of control hot spots.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 09, 2020, 06:02:23 PM »
In a sunlit ballroom Sunday morning at the Tuwaiq Palace in Saudi Arabia, Ivanka Trump's proposed Women Entrepreneurs Fund -- a concept she first shared during her own inaugural international trip as first daughter last month to Berlin, Germany -- was promised a combined $100 million by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates specifically to help women in the Middle East.

But maybe Saudi Arabia just passionately believed in women's rights.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 09, 2020, 02:27:11 AM »
Fenring, thank you for the detail. As I understood your premise, SA put some cash into the Clinton Foundation in exchange for favors. My request is that you demonstrate that they got bang on the buck versus every other American administration.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 08, 2020, 08:37:07 PM »
As far as Saudi goes, Presidents from Reagan to Trump always gave them a backrub free of charge. We should not give them a single dollar, they spawn the Wahabbists, murder journalists and are generally evil. To support your premise, you show me how the Trump administration did anything more against them than the supposedly corrupt quid pro quo you assert.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 08, 2020, 02:43:18 PM »
I'm not sure what they thought they would find in the Clinton Foundation that an audit would reveal. I mean, at the extreme of anti-Clintonites there are murmurs of stuff like child trafficking and other things, "it's all through the Clinton Foundation!!" Cause I'm sure they'd put that on the books. The more moderate critics tend to believe that they were operating a pay-to-play scheme. So yeah, you'll see donations to the Foundation from shady countries who clearly don't give a crap about charitable contributions. How can looking at the books ever tell you whether it was a donation from the goodness of their hearts or whether something was expected in return?

I'm fascinated, please define the "shady countries" and then take a holistic non partisan view of who's charities or for-profit businesses have interactions with them. And please check your unfounded QAnon in the coat room. Quid pro quo is ALWAYS about proof. You know like when a president wants an investigation into a political rival as a condition of receiving military aid?

As for not dissolving the org, and going after the execs, that could totally happen. If the board of directors stepped in. Which they won't because they think it is fantastic to book charter flights and drink pappy van winkle.

As a mostly lurker have to say that the whole hearted support of beating the living *censored* out of people for being in a general area around others who allegedly did bad things is not something I expected out of you Daemon.

I guess I need to go digging. There was a certain street preacher who had an unpleasant encounter with those "peaceful protesters" about a month ago. He's chained himself to a traffic light pole prior to their arrival. Never saw the footage of him getting taken off the pole, but they subsequently knocked him unconscious. then carried him into a side-alley where one of the women involved asked if she could kick his face in.

But yeah, it was only the Feds who were out of control. I've already commented on that Navy Veteran, I think there is more to the story than what the press has covered and I'm withholding judgement until the IG report comes back on that.

What more do you need? Even if he had been committing arson five minutes before hand and the cops watched him do it, it doesn't justify corporal punishment. And if he committed a crime, why wasn't he arrested?

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:09:43 PM »
The Clinton Foundation was investigated by Trump's DOJ, and they didn't find any of these so obvious illegal things you allude to.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that after continuing on for more than two years, Huber's investigation “has effectively ended with no tangible results.” After combing through documents and conferring with federal law enforcement officials looking into the Clinton Foundation in Little Rock, Arkansas, the Post reports that Huber has “found nothing worth pursuing,” let alone any criminal charges. The U.S. attorney has not yet officially reported any results to the Justice Department, however, and the inquiry is technically still ongoing. But officials cited by the Post say that Huber's years-long investigation has by this point “largely finished”—and with nothing to show for it.

But I'm sure there's no political motivation there. Perfectly appropriate, I'm sure.

I'm not denying political motivation here, I'm just astonished that you think it is so one sided.

What you're deliberately missing is that the Swedes addressed the threat to the endangered - not everyone. They also allowed voluntary measures, and not use of Gestapo tactics. They also didn't let hardened criminals out of prison or ignore protecting those in nursing homes. NY is panicking because people have learned they can work from a distance, which means they don't have to live in the city and pay the exorbitant taxes and high rents. The mayor wants to outlaw workers from the hinterlands, the opposite of what he filed a lawsuit  against earlier. So much hypocrisy.

You know that as soon as the election is over, the Dems will suddenly allow people to return to work. However; that may depend upon them winning so they can claim the good results. If not, they may continue to drag their feet.

I'm sure it will fit your narrative neatly when Democrats win and people return to work, but it will be because of a vaccine, not some nefarious plot.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 05:50:42 PM »
The question isn't about motivation, it's about whether she is right. If I'm mad at my neighbor because his dog poops in my yard, it doesn't make me wrong to report them doing something illegal even if I might let it pass otherwise. Did you think that various inquiries into the Clinton Foundation were pure of heart and not politically motivated?

Yes, 25% was hand-waving, but not the way you think.

Obesity is considered a risk factor for negative COVID-19 outcomes. The obesity rate in the USA? 36%

Age above 60 years old is also considered a risk factor for negative COVID-19 outcomes.  People above 60 years old make up about 20% of the population in the USA.

About 10% of the population has diabetes. 

Hypertension? More than 30%

Sure there is overlap, maybe significant, but no amount of overlap will get you under 35%.

Also this.

More than 25 million Americans have asthma. This is 7.7 percent of adults and 8.4 percent of children.

What, your double redirect link to a static chart graphic with no context or sources? Love it.

What is the current situation?
COVID-19 risk in Sweden is high. CDC recommends travelers avoid all nonessential international travel to Sweden. Some examples of essential travel may include traveling for humanitarian aid work, medical reasons, or family emergencies. Older adults, people of any age with certain underlying medical conditions, and others at increased risk for severe illness should consider postponing all travel, including essential travel, to Sweden.

If you get sick in Sweden and need medical care, resources may be limited. Plan ahead and learn more about Getting Health Care Abroad.

If you get sick with COVID-19 (or test positive for COVID-19, even if you have no symptoms) while abroad, you may be isolated or not be permitted to return to the United States until you have recovered fully from your illness. If you get exposed to a person with COVID-19 while abroad, you may be quarantined or not be permitted to return to the United States until 14 days after your last exposure.

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A woman wearing a protective mask and giving the thumbs up sign in front of the flag of Sweden
Despite never implementing a full-scale lockdown, Sweden has managed to flatten its curve, prompting its health leadership to claim victory -- but others question the cost of the strategy, as the country has a far higher death toll than its Scandinavian neighbors.

In late July, Sweden's 7-day moving average of new cases was about 200, down from a peak of around 1,140 in mid-June. Its daily death totals have been in the single digits for two weeks, well below its mid-April peak of 115 deaths in a single day.

However, on a per-capita basis, Sweden far outpaces its Scandinavian neighbors in COVID deaths, with 567 deaths per million people compared with Denmark's 106 deaths per million, Finland's 59 deaths per million, and Norway's 47 deaths per million. The Swedish figure is closer to Italy's 581 deaths per million.

While the positive trends have led Anders Tegnell, PhD, chief epidemiologist at the Swedish Public Health Agency and architect of Sweden's coronavirus strategy, to state that the "Swedish strategy is working," others have criticized the approach, including two dozen Swedish academics who published a recent USA Today editorial.

"In Sweden, the strategy has led to death, grief, and suffering," they wrote. "On top of that, there are no indications that the Swedish economy has fared better than in many other countries. At the moment, we have set an example for the rest of the world on how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease."

How Did Sweden Flatten Its Curve Without a Lockdown?

"Swedes in general have changed their behavior to a great extent during the pandemic and the practice of social distancing as well as physical distancing in public places and at work has been widespread," said Maria Furberg, MD, PhD, an infectious diseases expert at Umea University Hospital in northeastern Sweden.

"During the months of March to early June, all shops were practically empty, people stopped dining with friends, and families stopped seeing even their closest relatives," Furberg told MedPage Today. "A lock-down could not have been more effective. Handwashing, excessive use of hand sanitizers, and staying home at the first sign of a cold became the new normal very quickly."

Mozhu Ding, PhD, an epidemiologist at the famed Karolinska Institute, said the decline is "likely to be a combination of measures taken by individuals, businesses and a widespread information campaign launched by the government."

"Even without a strict lockdown order, many businesses allowed employees to work from home, and universities are offering distance courses to the students," Ding told MedPage Today. "Individuals are also taking personal hygiene more seriously, as items like hand sanitizers and single-use gloves are often sold out in pharmacies and grocery stores."

There is no indication that the Swedes held contamination parties that I could find. They acted responsibly on their own.

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 03:40:01 PM »
I see. He's not my cup of coffee.  ;)

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 02:31:40 PM »
But is she suing them because she is concerned that the contributors aren't having their money used in ways most effective at supporting the 2nd Amendment or is it because she doesn't agree that NRA members should have their power felt and voices heard through the power the NRA wields at all?

I'm not really seeing the comparisons here. These are just people accused of wasting money. It's not even a certainty yet the money was even wasted. If it was used to buy influence with powerful people then that's pretty much the purpose it was given for in the first place. If this ends up being another big nothing-burger it demonstrates again Democrats abusing their power to attack their political opponents just because they disagree with them.

So you're saying if it was a Soros charity and he was getting sued in Texas, you'd have the same first impression?

FYI, 25% of America is in the risk category for age, chronic health, etc. It's not like you can just sequester 75 million people from the others. Particularly because as soon as your employer "opens up", your risk category gets you fired if you stay home.


wmL posts are so entertaining, and even more so if you read them as if Gilbert Gottfried was reading them.

General Comments / Re: NRA getting sued
« on: August 07, 2020, 02:14:05 PM »
I'm struck again about the "bad apple" versus "bad org" argument. When somebody at ACORN royally screws up, its evidence of widespread conspiracy. When a cop screws up, its one bad guy. When somebody gets caught farming 30 votes, its evidence of a plot to destroy democracy. When someone in the NRA is unethical or lawbreaking, its a freak occurrence. If instead it had been the Clinton Foundation, then HEADS MUST ROLL!

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 07, 2020, 02:04:53 PM »

Lol. In summation, put a *censored*ing mask on.

Kind of loses his power wearing his mask on his elbow.

Tiananmen square was an unlawful assembly also. Hong kong had people breaking security cameras and throwing bottles. Northern Ireland had bombs placed in pubs. Boston had people breaking into private houses and TAR AND FEATHERING public officials.

In the end:

Crackdowns never quell the violence, no matter how justified you might think they are.
Only true lasting systemic change does. That can come violently or it can come peacefully.

That's got to be the most successful destabilization campaign in history, and all perpetrated by twenty year olds who work in fast food and retail. The CIA must be jealous.

The people with the laser pointers were obviously not peaceful protesters. How many people were shining laser pointers? How many got physical with her? This is at the heart of the appropriate phrase "mostly peaceful protesters". The video on NY Post shows about 6-7 people confronting her. We don't see whether they are alone, or if they broke off from 500 people marching and singing. I don't know why you think that anyone is making the argument that protesters in Portland are 100% nonviolent.

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 05, 2020, 01:28:17 PM »
Stay-at-home orders are now in place in Manila and four surrounding provinces on the island of Luzon for two weeks.

The country only just emerged from one of the strictest lockdowns in June.

But hospitals have been struggling to cope with a five-fold rise in confirmed infections, now surging past 100,000.

The lockdown means a return to stay-at-home orders except for going out to buy essential goods or exercising outdoors. Public transport has also been suspended and domestic flights are grounded, while restaurants are restricted to takeaways.

The new lockdown came after 80 medical associations on Saturday called on President Rodrigo Duterte to toughen restrictions in a bid to slow the spread of the virus.

On Sunday the Philippines announced a record 5,032 new infections. In some areas hospitals are reported to have been forced to turn away soaring numbers of patients.

Doctors hope the reinstated restrictions will now give medical workers more time to deal with the spike in cases.

Wow the first 14 posts of this nature failed to make your point, but adding this one more just convinced everyone! Nice Job!

The July 22nd incident they just shed light on demonstrates "the power of optics" very well however.

The only people among the protesters who "knew what happened" could likely be counted on one hand.

Meanwhile, for everyone else, they just saw some protesters tearing down plywood and damaging a glass window that was likely going to be replaced anyway. "Funny ha ha!"

What they didn't see was the explosive device being placed inside the Federal Building. And thus everyone else can claim the police response was "disproportionate and inappropriate" for the situation they were aware of because they were unable to see what triggered the response.

Your commitment to collective punishment is strong. It reminds me of Israel running roughshod over noncombatants in Gaza because they won't overwhelm the terrorists and stop them from firing rockets. Could that truck marked with ambulance markings have terrorists in it? Maybe. But you still don't blow it up with a drone. In large part because of "optics". Are those equivalent? Not at all. Lethal force is different than less than lethal options. But it is still a reckless disregard and makes you look like crap, and it is on the same spectrum. Is it 100% fair? No, it isn't. But if you want to take the moral high ground, you accept the tactical disadvantage and live with it. What's the best thing to do? Address the problems that have peaceful protesters in the street, you take away the human shields for people who really just want revolution against the state. Oregon tried to fake it, and leave loopholes for cops to keep doing what they've been doing all along. It was transparent and infuriating to those demanding real reform.

Wow the first 14 posts of this nature failed to make your point, but adding this one more just convinced everyone! Nice Job!

Passive opposition is a lot different than active opposition. Using pepper spray on people is different than trying to walk past someone to get to a clinic. Especially in a public atmosphere of making statements about how you're going to clear the streets. I think a more appropriate analogy is going to somebody's conservative speech with the intention of blocking their path and interfering with them, which is often called out as provoking violence.

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 03, 2020, 09:29:09 PM »

Certain European countries are allowing cruises, some without any port stops.

TUI Cruises, partially owned by Royal Caribbean Group, canceled its July 31 German-based cruise to nowhere on its Mein Schiff 1 ship when it could not get enough crew to Germany to operate the ship following positive tests of five newly arrived crew members.

A passenger on French cruise company Ponant’s Paul Gauguin cruise ship tested positive for the virus Sunday and the ship’s passengers and crew are now quarantined on board in Tahiti awaiting test results.

Needless to say, not going too good.

General Comments / Re: General Barr's Hearing
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:48:47 PM »
And as to the now infamous "reclaiming my time" tactic:

Rep. Cicilline: (02:35:11)
Mr. Bezos.

Jeff Bezos: (02:35:11)
… have all of that selection. And I think we were right. And I think it’s worked out well [crosstalk 02:35:16]-

Rep. Cicilline: (02:35:16)
Reclaiming my time. Unfortunately, this is one of [crosstalk 00:23:17]… Reclaiming my time, Mr. Bezos.

Cicilline is a Democrat, but still used the tactic. Nadler did it too later on. That one does seem to be one used only by Democrats in a limited sampling.

General Comments / Re: General Barr's Hearing
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:41:18 PM »
Here's one more log on the fire since I kept reading.

Mr. Zuckerberg: (04:30:37)
Congressman, I’m not sure I’d characterize it in that way. I think this was part of a broader policy…

Mr. Johnson: (04:30:44)
Onavo did get kicked out of the App Store. Isn’t that true?

Mr. Zuckerberg: (04:30:49)
Congressman, I believe we took the app out after Apple changed their policies about what type of…

Mr. Johnson: (04:30:52)
And it was because of the use of the surveillance tools.

Mr. Zuckerberg: (04:31:01)
Congressman, I’m not sure that the policy was worded that way or that that’s exactly the right characterization of it, but in that particular policy…

Mr. Johnson: (04:31:11)
Okay. Well, let me ask you this question. After Onavo was booted out of the App Store you turned to other surveillance tools such as Facebook research app, correct?

Mr. Zuckerberg: (04:31:25)
Congressman, in general, yes. We do a broad variety of market research…

Mr. Johnson: (04:31:32)
And also isn’t it true, Mr. Zuckerberg, that Facebook paid teenagers to sell their privacy by installing Facebook research app?

How many times did he attempt to answer the question?

General Comments / Re: General Barr's Hearing
« on: August 03, 2020, 06:31:11 PM »
So regarding the hearing from the tech companies. Regarding the questioning:

Mr. Buck: (02:52:22)
I really don’t want to even engage with my office half the time. Will you guys agree that slave labor is not something that you will tolerate in manufacturing your products or in products that are sold on your platforms?

Mr. Pichai: (02:52:36)
I agree, Congressman.

See what he did there? He just agreed. Even though Buck's main point was about Chinese manufacture and setting them up to get pummeled if they unknowingly had that in their supply chain. He didn't say "it depends" or "I'd have to look into it". So there was no need for Buck to have to demand answers to his question and interrupt a long explanation about the problem.

Mr. Pichai: (03:05:10)
Congressman, with respect, I strongly disagree with that characterization. We don’t approach this work with any political viewpoint. We do that to comply with law, known copyright violations, very narrow circumstances, and we have to do that to comply with the law. And in many cases, those requests can come from law enforcement agencies [crosstalk 03:05:28].

Mr. Gates: (03:05:28)
Your own employees are saying-

Mr. Cicilline: (03:05:30)
Time of the gentleman-

Mr. Gates: (03:05:30)
… you’re doing it for a different reason.

Mr. Cicilline: (03:05:30)
… has expired.

Mr. Gates: (03:05:31)
Your own employees are saying it’s political bias. I yield back.

Do you think he didn't plan that out to make sure he'd have no chance to respond to that dig?

Mr. Pichai: (04:23:43)
Congressman, yes, I do. It was in the context of through the election across both sides, there was a lot of opinions. And as you know, elections are kind of a polarizing moment generally in the country. And there was a lot of rhetoric about certain issues which were affecting our employees and-

Mr. Gates: (04:24:01)
I understand rhetoric. I guess the question is…

Mr. Pichai: (04:24:03)
Certain issues, which were…

Mr. Gates: (04:24:03)
Oh, I understand rhetoric…

Mr. Pichai: (04:24:03)
Affecting our employees…

Interruptions, not letting him finish his answer.

I'm sure none of this will be compelling to those who think Republicans are respectful questioners and Democrats are evil badgerers.

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: August 03, 2020, 05:41:23 PM »
At least 41 passengers and crew on a Norwegian cruise ship have tested positive for Covid-19, officials say.

Hundreds more passengers who travelled on the MS Roald Amundsen are in quarantine and awaiting test results, the company that owns the ship said.

The ship, which belongs to the Norwegian firm Hurtigruten, docked in the port of Tromso in northern Norway on Friday.

Way to go! I know cruise ships often allow gambling, but the stakes seem higher than usual.

Yossarian is right, there are a number of problems with the simplistic unemployment fixed boost. There are regional inequities, because of cost of living difference between states and regions. They used the mean rather than the median. And there isn't any real relationship to true wages.

Two nits to pick, remember that the European model is based on having a much higher minimum wage that can allow people to better survive on 70-80%. They also don't have to worry about paying for healthcare out of that share. There are significant additional problems with trying to compare the two, including the fact that in the UK, the government was paying the 80% while the employer was paying the additional 20%.

Second, is that it doesn't matter how much incentive you have to work if there are no available jobs. Some people might apply for essential worker jobs - janitors as an example, one of the jobs most likely to have this disparity. The ones that are left over, how long are they going to be able to live on 70%? Did you think they had 30% of discretionary spending they can cut back on?

I'll add a third, that the withdrawal of support will add political fuel to opening up in an unsafe way so that all those people can survive economically. It creates an incentive for people to agitate and file lawsuits so they can get back their bartending gigs.

I'd like the idea of a 100% cap for these reasons, but I don't know how easy that is to implement logistically.

You seem to be using this article to demonstrate the violent nature of protests, while ignoring the second part of the article, which in the headline is "But Second March Peaceful".

Second march was at the Federal Building which (presumably) had enough law enforcement presence to present a "hard target" so the agitators moved on to "soft targets" instead. The hard target remained peaceful because the agitators shifted to the soft one, as they otherwise lacked the numbers to be able to "blend in" with the otherwise "peaceful protesters" at the Federal Building.

I'm pretty sure I explicitly said in an earlier post that if the peaceful protesters disassociated with the agitators, the Federal Building attacks would stop.
Exactly that has happened.

Attribute it to whatever you want, the point is that you quoted all of the article except for this.

Back downtown, just after midnight, the majority of the crowd that had gathered outside the federal courthouse embarked on a march through Downtown and the Pearl District. The large group shrunk during the nearly two hour walk. When it returned to Southwest 3rd Avenue, the crowd consisted of about 100 people who slowly drifted off into the city over the next hour.
The march was peaceful and Portland Police did not interact with the crowd of people downtown.

To me that seems at least a little misleading as you assemble your narrative. Nothing in here supports your theory that they just went in search of a soft target. There was no alternate target to assault.

You seem to be using this article to demonstrate the violent nature of protests, while ignoring the second part of the article, which in the headline is "But Second March Peaceful".

Is it really so wild to be concerned that Trump might refuse to accept the results of the election, therefore "stealing" it, when he won't stipulate accepting the results?

He did answer that question in June. If he loses, he'll leave. In the meantime he's having fun getting the media to talk about him by complaining about how the Democrats want to use voting methods that are even more prone to fraud and disenfranchisement than the existing in-person voting system.

Well, this is out his own mouth.

Wallace asked Trump “can you give a direct answer that you will accept the election?”

“I have to see,” Trump said of accepting the result in November. “I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.”

You tell me how to interpret that as Trump saying he'd accept the results.

General Comments / Re: covid-19 outside the US
« on: July 31, 2020, 01:41:43 PM »
"studies" so authoritative. Could you cite one?

Immunity to the coronavirus remains a mystery.

How Long Does COVID-19 Immunity Last?
A new study from King’s College London inspired a raft of headlines suggesting that immunity might vanish in months. The truth is a lot more complicated—and, thankfully, less dire.

“I was definitely very worried when I saw the headlines,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology. “But then I looked at the data. And actually, looking at the data, I feel okay about it.”

Second, the virologist Shane Crotty told me that while the decline in antibodies was troubling, it was hardly catastrophic. “It’s not unusual to have fading antibody response after several months,” he said. “The drop-off isn’t that surprising. When you look at something like the smallpox vaccine, you see the antibody response is down about 75 percent after six months. But that’s a vaccine that works for decades. We need a study like this to look at COVID patients six months after infection to really know what we’re dealing with.” It’s been six months since the first American COVID-19 patient went to the hospital. Those studies will surely come.

Third, low levels of antibodies can still be enough to knock out COVID-19, because they can prime a larger immune response some time later. “It’s possible that previously-infected people could utilize [immunological memory] responses to produce new antibodies in case they are exposed to SARS-CoV-2 again,” Pamela Bjorkman, a biochemist at the California Institute of Technology, wrote in an email. “So I would not conclude yet that people infected with SARS-CoV-2 are not protected from another infection.”

But the elephant in the room is, even if immunity only lasts 3 months, it would massively arrest active cases, you know, the way responsible countries have done with masks and shutdowns.

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