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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 07:10:08 PM »

Jesus, why do you keep giving the orange man toad more power then he really has?

"She had an audience?!?"

Who gives a *censored* who that little toad wants to talk to these days. He is *done.*

After Jan 6th even the majority of his own party want absolutely nothing to do with him. Impeachment aside, and I truly do get the idea of telling someone, "No, really, you need to go *censored* yourself," but these are people just like us who need to answer to their constituents. If the will isn't there we don't need to be blaming them, we need to blame the people they answer to.

He's a 75 year old fat man. I don't expect GRRM to give us an answer to AGOIAF, I never have, and I'm just fed up with the rest of you giving this one guy power he doesn't have. Not anymore.

2024!

Christ. Have a little I don't know, something or other in yourself. He's going to stroke out or heart attack.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 02:33:55 PM »

You're wanting to make a local decision about representation and have the national organization invalidate it because the locals "chose poorly." It doesn't change the matter that they chose her, it's between them and her. Not the rest of us.

That would be so convenient, but no - the national organization, if it doesn't speak now, will be associated with that person's positions, like it or not.  It's not like there is a rule that says the national organization must be punished for the sins of its members.  But the silence is just one more piece of evidence illustrating what the party currently values. And naming her to a committee?  That's not even silence.

Don't they all get named to a committee? Again, could be wrong, willing to hear it. How many of her fellow freshman Reps found themselves named to a Committee? Who didn't?

Everyone gets a committee seat, many get two seats. There is also a pecking order for a lot of them, so you can sometimes tell how a person rates with the leadership based on the committee memberships they have. (exception being when a member wants a seat in a given committee for "reasons")

And yet they can lose all their committee seats. Just look at Rep. King, whose racist comments got him shunned by the Republicans.

Course they can!

We all gonna hold the line so one POS with 1/435 power in the national legislature can hold? Course not! They're a piece of *censored*!  Find some other way to remove him, not interested.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: February 01, 2021, 02:25:51 PM »

You've all but admitted how your business works and how far their avoidance is. Thanks! Really let's us have a better grasp on your arguments bout the Rona.

Or not. Maybe? Eh. It'll come out eventually and I'll see it on the other end.

Not really sure what any of this means. Many businesses that do involve a high degree of people close to each other (like standing behind a cash in a store) obviously could not social distance while maintaining the same work methods. It is possible to make concerted efforts to modify or renovate these practices, and I doubt that most types of business cannot avoid close social contact. Whether it requires special training from management to find a way to do it is another story.

Oh. Thankful to hear you're unable to control close social distancing. I suppose we need to look at the severity of the disease now. Huh. Look's kinda bad!

I have an idea, how about we all stay away from each other. I know the very idea must be difficult but your own anti-vaxxers(jk cousins) must have enough people to keep you entertained

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: February 01, 2021, 01:58:27 PM »

Social distancing and masks are complementary. There are absolutely times where it's impossible to social distance even for short periods of time: for example, in the case where someone needs to work in the presence of others. It's not either/or, and neglecting mask use at this point in time will significantly aggravate the current situation.

What do you mean "needs" to work in the presence of others? There are a few situations where it is unavoidable to be within 6 feet: for instance movers lifting a heavy object together. But in most cases I doubt there is any need at all to be within 6 feet. In most cases I suspect that breaking social distance is a result of not feeling like going through the often arduous step of establishing how to do things without coming near each other. Schools involving young children are an exception to what I'm saying because obviously they just don't understand.

Cool.

You've all but admitted how your business works and how far their avoidance is. Thanks! Really let's us have a better grasp on your arguments bout the Rona.

Or not. Maybe? Eh. It'll come out eventually and I'll see it on the other end.

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General Comments / Re: Unprecedented Attacks on Capitol Hill

« on: February 01, 2021, 01:45:22 PM »

Americans. Entertaining the rest of the world since 1776.

Gotta refer to your hated enemy as "The Honorable Gentleman from such and such," in chambers, otherwise they're planting bombs.

Or just beating you senseless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner

The Caning of Charles Sumner, or the Brooks–Sumner Affair, occurred on May 22, 1856, in the United States Senate chamber, when Representative Preston Brooks, a pro-slavery Democrat from South Carolina, used a walking cane to attack Senator Charles Sumner, an abolitionist Republican from Massachusetts, in retaliation for a speech given by Sumner two days earlier in which he fiercely criticized slaveholders, including a relative of Brooks. The beating nearly killed Sumner and it contributed significantly to the country's polarization over the issue of slavery. It has been considered symbolic of the "breakdown of reasoned discourse" and the use of violence that eventually led to the Civil War.

Nah my friend one of the reasons I end up respecting the American system.

I mean, in that case we needed better security but if you're going to run your mouth watch your back. Basic gangland procedure.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 01:35:21 PM »

Better, poorly, whatever. It's one of the arrows in their quiver, "The committee of Education!" and I'm trying to get a grasp on how normal that is.

I'm of the opinion that the House Committee on Education and Labor is basically the basement in terms of committee membership.  Take a look at some of the names?  Ever heard of any of them?  When is the last time they've been in the news?  Never.  She was sent to the basement and not given a second membership. 

Could House Republicans do more?  Sure.  But they havn't.  If the Democrats want to get rid of her they can open up expulsion proceedings but will need 2/3s of the House.  Since 1861, only House members who have been convicted of crimes have been expelled.  That's not just a Republican thing.  Want her expelled?  Have a DA charge her with a crime and convict her.

Totes, my man.

Have her quietly taken out back and shot in the head. Metaphorically speaking of course.

That was what we could have done before but they've spread her poison and allowed it to become a replacement for Trumpism. She'd just be a martyr now.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 01:32:07 PM »

I think the brouhaha over the Education committee is that she has said that school shootings are false flag operations and/or did not happen and that the families are actors.

Eh.

That sounds a lot like stuff that doesn't matter. At least, to the kids learning.

What are we teaching kids in HS?  Are they learning logic? Basic civics?

A fundamental aspect of the Constitution and how it works? How it works for *us?*. If not, it's all BS anyway and we are *all* wasting our time because we're all screwed.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 01:08:18 PM »

You're wanting to make a local decision about representation and have the national organization invalidate it because the locals "chose poorly." It doesn't change the matter that they chose her, it's between them and her. Not the rest of us.

That would be so convenient, but no - the national organization, if it doesn't speak now, will be associated with that person's positions, like it or not.  It's not like there is a rule that says the national organization must be punished for the sins of its members.  But the silence is just one more piece of evidence illustrating what the party currently values. And naming her to a committee?  That's not even silence.

Don't they all get named to a committee? Again, could be wrong, willing to hear it. How many of her fellow freshman Reps found themselves named to a Committee? Who didn't?

Everyone gets a committee seat, many get two seats. There is also a pecking order for a lot of them, so you can sometimes tell how a person rates with the leadership based on the committee memberships they have. (exception being when a member wants a seat in a given committee for "reasons")

Fair enough.  All I'm asking is how she got treated as compared to her fellows.

Better, poorly, whatever. It's one of the arrows in their quiver, "The committee of Education!" and I'm trying to get a grasp on how normal that is.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 12:50:23 PM »

You're wanting to make a local decision about representation and have the national organization invalidate it because the locals "chose poorly." It doesn't change the matter that they chose her, it's between them and her. Not the rest of us.

That would be so convenient, but no - the national organization, if it doesn't speak now, will be associated with that person's positions, like it or not.  It's not like there is a rule that says the national organization must be punished for the sins of its members.  But the silence is just one more piece of evidence illustrating what the party currently values. And naming her to a committee?  That's not even silence.

Don't they all get named to a committee? Again, could be wrong, willing to hear it. How many of her fellow freshman Reps found themselves named to a Committee? Who didn't?

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 09:05:20 AM »

Nope.

Political parties are something entirely different from business corporations, that difference being a lot of people with different motivations come together in a political party for ultimate negotiated gains, and we call the a political party  and a lot of people with similar motivations came together in a corporation to be ridiculous. We call it socialism. Eh. Guess we'll find out.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: February 01, 2021, 08:33:44 AM »

"#2, there is a wide gulf between a pundit, agitator, activist, malcontent, and an elected official"

Could just me being real ignorant right about now, but I'm not seeing the gulf.

Yeah, she's elected. To you, that means she has unimaginable cosmic power, to others it means she has been chosen in a free and fair election to represent her constituency. You gonna remove their voice in the Congress because she said some crazy stuff? Seems a bold move to me, Cotton. Let's see how it works.

Maybe her constituency consists mostly of *censored*bags. Eh, it happens. As mentioned, she's one out of hundreds. Her term is two years. She'll be gone sooner rather then later and if it wasn't for the media amplifying her bull*censored* beyond any reasonable standard she'd barely be known and she'd have no power.

Only the Georgian crazies supported her before. Well done! She's a national figure now! Now she can get *all* the crazies!

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General Comments / Re: Unprecedented Attacks on Capitol Hill

« on: January 30, 2021, 09:57:31 PM »

Americans. Entertaining the rest of the world since 1776.

Gotta refer to your hated enemy as "The Honorable Gentleman from such and such," in chambers, otherwise they're planting bombs.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 09:39:37 PM »

You think anything posted here has any effect on people's ability to vote for their preferred candidate?   I think you vastly overestimate the power of the internet word.

Of course I don't. That's why I made it clear I was joking.

My friend, you and I agree on almost everything. Taylor Green is an offensive human being, thankfully her term is two years and she'll be booted via primary or general election if the Reps are stupid enough to give her continued support.

I'm a European socialist who spent twenty years growing up in the States. I've sèen the best and the worst of both systems. And I really do agree with you on things.

All I was objecting to was that stupid comment. It was something I'd expect Lambert or Cherry to say talking about us. We need to be better then that.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 02:08:25 PM »

Yeah, how about they don't.
How about they just let people vote for what they believe in, even if that *censored* is certifiably insane.

***Joking*** You Canadians trying to interfere with our election is just like the Russians.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 01:50:49 PM »

Look out everyone!

Four hundred and thirty five voting members of the House, *one* of them is certifiably insane, guess it's time for all of us to lose our *censored*.  The world is ending! Canada says our legislature is insane!

Lol.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 01:36:00 PM »

Christ. This isn't about the sacred congresspeople and their gold-enshrouded farts. This is how we talk to one another, and you decided to attack everyone else with a stupid claim.

Also is it you or TheDrake who's the Canadian? I think it's you but can't quite remember. Those D names.

*censored* if it is you you're pretty mouthy on American politics, I'm a dual citizen and I usually tend to shut up on stuff lol.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 01:14:25 PM »

And on the subject of health care it's not that the right wing doesn't believe that poor people shouldn't have it, it's that they believe a free market will provide it.

Yeah, yeah, insane on the face of it to most of us but that's what they truly believe. We're gonna have to change hearts and minds here.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 12:44:04 PM »

Nope. Not buying it.

When you say things like what you said you're attempting to smear the entire opposition with what their outliers said. You might as well have Cherry saying all liberals believe white people need to work as janitors for two generations to make things right.

"Now that it seems like it is accepted orthodoxy in the Republican party that 9/11 was a hoax, "

You wrote that. It's BS on the face of it and don't embarrass yourself by trying to defend it.

I wouldn't put up with that from him and I certainly won't be silent whilst one of my own attempts the same.

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General Comments / Re: The Party of personal responsibility?

« on: January 30, 2021, 11:25:49 AM »

Now that it seems like it is accepted orthodoxy in the Republican party that 9/11 was a hoax, will the party of personal responsibility be looking to charge members of the GW Bush administration for ware crimes for their involvement in commanding the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

No.

Come on, man. They've got their crazies, we've got ours. They're a pain in the ass all around.

That they have a crazy who said on Facebook a few years back 9/11 was an inside job, that's unfortunate but we do *not* get to label the entire opposition based upon one nutjob. This isn't Facebook and I'm not quite sure where you get off trying to label a whole political party with something as brutal as "They all believe 9/11 was a hoax," but I doubt it's going to work here.

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General Comments / Re: Semantic validity in 2021

« on: January 29, 2021, 07:30:24 PM »

If nothing else this whole thing will result in people being more aware of just how the Wall Street parasites continue to leech us.

Honestly how many of you had heard the term short squeeze before but didn't actually know what it meant?

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General Comments / Re: Semantic validity in 2021

« on: January 29, 2021, 11:42:43 AM »

Eh.

It's wallstreetbets. Google it. It's reddit so it'll be unfamiliar to some of you but it's not that bad.

What you'll find over the past few days is some people selling their shares in order to pay for medical treat mentioned for their family member or dog. They were high fived and encouraged.

The rest of it? They're encouraging not to sell til the bitter end. It's a meme at this point. The idea of pissing off billionaires is so attractive to these people that they'll throw out...you're reading this now. Think about it.

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General Comments / Re: Semantic validity in 2021

« on: January 29, 2021, 10:05:20 AM »

I'm sorry my friend, but you're wrong.

This was not about a belief or even a meme.  Hedge funds have been using these tactics to crush companies into the ground whilst they made bIllions for decades.

They made a bet on GME to fold. They put their normal enterprises behind it to guarantee it. What they didn't expect was Reddit to come up and punch them in the face. I'm not sure how much you all are understanding this right now, but the big billionaire boys are absolutely *censored*ting their pants at what is going on. They've been caught out.

Google fee-free apps, which were advertised as being on the side of the "little people," they were curtailed yesterday so people could only sell the stock, not buy. In other words, the only move people using that platform could make would be to help the hedgefunders.

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General Comments / Re: Semantic validity in 2021

« on: January 29, 2021, 09:12:22 AM »

Who knew that Biden's unity would come about from a bunch of Redditors deciding to screw over some hedge funds. Politicians on both sides coming together to target the blatant and illegal means the people in charge are using to try and curtail this.

And I've been trying to educate myself on what exactly is going on. This could easily get much crazier before it's over. It's called a short squeeze because the people who bet on stocks lowering in price aren't exactly forced to buy the stock back, but they do have to pay interest on what they borrowed originally and said interest is based on the current price of the stock. So they'll at some point be forced to buy at whatever price. Except the Redditors are declaring they're not going to sell. Which will force prices higher and higher...

Honestly, this *censored*show couldn't have happened to better people. The sociopaths behind Wall Street tactics are being bent over a barrel and I couldn't be happier.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: January 29, 2021, 08:58:54 AM »

This paranoia about innovation replacing jobs with robots only exists in a mindset that declares that people must work.

As technology advances we'll get closer and closer to the point of Star Trek post scarcity. If robots can actually do almost everything, there'll be no reason for anyone to work except in areas they're passionate about. Art. Community involvement. Continued innovation.

If technology advances and more and more jobs become replaced, the base economic model itself will have to change. The only other option will be a world with the .001 percent robot owners facing down the billions of starving and jobless people.

Universal base income. It's the future.

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General Comments / Re: Pencemegeddon

« on: January 28, 2021, 07:09:25 AM »

If you're interested in the statues and don't have time for the whole clip, he gets into it around 12.30.

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General Comments / Re: Pencemegeddon

« on: January 28, 2021, 06:59:24 AM »

On the subject of Confederates, here's a link.

https://youtu.be/J5b_-TZwQ0I

Now, John Oliver has his biases and all but his team actually spends between two and three weeks researching every long drop segment they do. And they're good at it.

I can understand that the idea of the Confederacy can be attractive. However it's what they were fighting for that is disgusting. State's rights were an excuse, an excuse needed to allow them to continue to enslave human beings.

Anyone who spent a modicum of time examining history beyond the admittedly weak American standards understands this. And this is why I'm genuinely confused as to how anyone, at least on this site, could possibly try to excuse people invading our Capitol building whilst waving Confederate flags.

State's rights are one thing, but the Confederate flag being waved shows that these people have an attachment to a mindset where if the State declares it, people can be enslaved. In other words, two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: January 28, 2021, 04:25:27 AM »

Just noting that diseases tend to be most deadly when they first appear, becoming less so as time goes on. The new mutations seem to spread easier, but I've not heard that they're any deadlier. Any strain that allows people to be on their feet and spreading it further for longer is going to have a competitive advantage.

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General Comments / Re: The Case for Trumps Impeachment

« on: January 20, 2021, 03:45:19 PM »

If I had to guess I'd think that they'd go with the precedent that impeachment trials in the Senate are overseen by the Chief Justice. There's enough wiggle room in the wording to perhaps have a court make a decision if pushed, I just don't know who would file that suit with the court.

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General Comments / Re: Pencemegeddon

« on: January 06, 2021, 04:12:33 PM »

Armed standoff in House chambers, police have their weapons drawn. One woman was stretchered out covered in blood, possible gunshot wound.

The word bloodless takes all the fun out of coups anyway.

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General Comments / Re: Pencemegeddon

« on: January 06, 2021, 04:08:52 PM »

Give them credit for tenaciousness, it took them 160 years but they're finally invading the Capitol building behind a Confederate flag.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: January 04, 2021, 04:14:01 PM »

All due respect but when Grant is the one to step aside and say, "Oh *censored* this looks pretty bad for everyone with a working nose," then everyone needs to stop and take a look. Gl

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: January 04, 2021, 04:10:47 PM »

You're all being too hard on the guy. He literally told us if we'd just shut up and ignore the law, give him the 12k needed and just shut up about it, he would be fine. Next state on is another battle but the fact we won't give him his home battleground is pretty clear we're biased against him. We all need a lawsuit to shut us up.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 04:22:24 PM »

Flashpoint has a very upbeat discussion: https://youtu.be/6YTlhqd7PM0

I do like your links as I've said, however I'm not about to sit through an hour long video to try and understand why the people I disagree with disagree with me.

Any way you could give us a summarized recap?

BTW; you can fast forward to the 17:30 or the 19:30 point in the video to get specifics. However; you need to put in the effort to vet what is said, not just listen for a few seconds.  I have, and there is no doubt that election fraud was proved.

Thanks, Lambert.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 04:05:55 PM »

If said voter ID is provided free of charge by the state, I can agree to go along with it in the name of compromise.

Some states that require ID, such as Texas, already provide free ID cards. But I don't believe this is a strong enough compromise.  I personally believe that all American citizens, either now or at birth, should be implanted with a microchip created by Bill Gates.  This chip must be called the Municipal American Readable Chip.  Nobody can vote without a valid chip scan from a scanning machine called the Ballot Electronic Assurance Scanning Terminal, also paid for by the government by raising taxes on lottery winners. 

This will obviously infuriate liberals because, you know, they won't be able to cheat on elections anymore.
It will equally infuriate conservatives who don't want a Bill Gates chip embedded in their wrists and turning them gay. 

You know you have a good compromise when everyone is upset.  I call it the Solon Method of compromise.

6/10 decent effort should have tried to make the names make funny acronyms.

Like these guys did.

https://junkee.com/katie-hopkins-youtuber/240111

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 02:52:35 PM »

Flashpoint has a very upbeat discussion: https://youtu.be/6YTlhqd7PM0

I do like your links as I've said, however I'm not about to sit through an hour long video to try and understand why the people I disagree with disagree with me.

Any way you could give us a summarized recap?

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 02:49:30 PM »

I also remember the line I stood in to vote before I left the US and it was insanely long. Richest country in the world, birthplace of modern democracy, somehow can't find the money to give urban areas the same consideration as rural one when it comes to voting.

And I'm in the UK now and the last time I voted my appointed spot was the parking lot of the local pub where they'd thrown up a tent. Worked just fine.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 31, 2020, 02:44:53 PM »

If said voter ID is provided free of charge by the state, I can agree to go along with it in the name of compromise.

Otherwise it's just a poll tax.

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General Comments / Re: Predictions and thoughts on the Biden Presidency

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:43:13 PM »

"You guys really have TDS over this.  It will never be true that it can be proven that Obama was born in Hawaii or born in Kenya.  It will always be true that Hawaii certified him as born there.  No matter how much you wish it, the latter doesn't guarantee the former."

Just so everyone is aware Seriati is the half brother of Kim Jong Un. Through his father. His mother is Chinese and therefore he is working for the CCP as we speak. I guess one day some "state" can certify him as being born there but we will all know the truth. Like the man said, hard to impossible to prove a negative, right?

PS. God help Seriati after these shocking accusations if he dares to have brown skin.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:16:37 PM »

"Caught the Rona."

"Working from home."

Like hahaha what a quintessential American response.

Take a few days off work, my friend. And of course all the best.

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General Comments / Re: So will you take the vaccine?

« on: December 30, 2020, 06:08:32 PM »

Let's be honest about what this thread is.

This thread is nothing but bait to try and bring out those among use who are perfectly willing to go tell the rest of us, and our grandmothers to boot, to just go *censored* themselves.

*I'm* healthy so *I* could never fall victim to such a low class disease. Not my family either!

Blah blah blah. Maybe a handful of people have an allegeric reaction. Meanwhile as others have pointed out 1/1000 Americans have already died from this virus. You need to choose where you stand because this is something people will remember.

Measles, rubella, polio. "Crazy" people ended up out there saying they'd solved the whole thing and every freaking time there was the one guy hanging back, "It's not been tested properly!"

Except of course said pandemic killer had been tested and approved.

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General Comments / Re: coronavirus

« on: December 23, 2020, 02:16:24 PM »

Latest news has it that the new varient has been seen in Denmark. Given the enhanced transmisabilty and how a good number of covid infections go undetected, it's most likely that the new varient is alive and well all across Europe.

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General Comments / Re: Good time for the UK or no?

« on: December 23, 2020, 02:13:12 PM »

I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's looking like the fishing dispute was typical politician brinkmanship. Now that we're closer to the deadline it looks like they're getting much more serious about things and a deal might well come in before Christmas.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 11, 2020, 06:31:34 PM »

"How do you prove fraud in a secret ballot election?  And eliminate any use of ID or apparently any comparison of signatures of the alleged voter.

How can anyone trust losing in a system where there's no way to catch cheaters?"

Didn't make history a major in uni so I could be wrong, but can you tell us how conservative states protected against said hypothetical silent ballot abuse?

If they didn't, can you explain how the republic lived and prospered for these 240 odd years?

How have things changed so much that now it's a national emergency? Beyond, of course, your side losing.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 06:07:09 PM »

If the constituents of these people are demanding they do this then we apparently have an issue, because what they're asking is to use interstate judicial law to literally overturn election results. Christ, the Confederates could only wish they had the balls to go for that argument when *they* didn't win the presidential election.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 06:01:21 PM »

No. Come on. Just...no.

You know my guilty  pleasure? Deffo one hundred percent Hell's Kitchen. I myself know it's dumb but that's why it's the guilty pleasure.


And my favourite part of the show isn't when Ramsey completely loses his *censored*, it's when he starts quietly muttering the above, looking them in the eye. Like a piece of his soul has just been removed and sent to Alpha Centauri because someone brought him a raw steak after he chewed them out for it being too well done five minutes earlier.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-more-than-100-gop-house-members-sign-amicus-brief-backing-texas-effort-to-overturn-biden-victory-in-supreme-court/

These people are absolutely shameless. I literally muttered to myself no, haha, they're just having a laugh.

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General Comments / Lame ducks and sitting targets

« on: December 10, 2020, 05:25:08 PM »

You learn something new every day. Today I learned there is a 130 year precedent in which an acknowledged lame duck president lays off on procedures for instituting federal death penalties because it's only polite to let the guy you got *censored*canned for to make those decisions instead. It's like you're respecting the will of the voters.

So Trump has decided to Trump all over that and his DOJ is putting on a full court press to execute just as many people as he can possibly.get away with before Jan 20th. Never mind the scumbags getting the treatment or how 5 percent of people put to death are actually innocent, this isn't and shouldn't be a death penalty debate.

All I'm saying is people still bring up the W key keyboard thing 20 years later and this guy is still doing this and no one cares, it's like he shot a guy on Fifth Avenue.

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General Comments / Re: Good time for the UK or no?

« on: December 10, 2020, 04:54:00 PM »

Nah, I'm in the UK at the moment and we're definitely screwed. Hundred percent.

Johnson was at the forefront the entire time for this entire debacle and he was Trump 2.0, some demented fool who thought he could mess his hair up a bit and look like ome of the "regular" people.

One of the only good things about Covid is he walked into the PM's office on the back of rainbows and promises to wealthy people, massive *censored* eating grin on his face about how he tricked everyone.

And now when you see him speak publicly you can see it in his eyes just how tired he is, this virus and the Brexit negotiations have defeated him utterly. Best thing is how you can see that he knows it.

PS  - When I said he was at the front of the debacle he was one of the head figures of the Leave campaign from early days. Not Covid. He's sucked balls on Covid as well though.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 01:25:37 PM »

On a much less preachy note, lolol at the frigging conservative wing of American politics (Democracy! Freedom! *censored* yeah World Police!) getting so very worked up over

A) More of us voted? They were probably all plebs! The tragedy!
B) Let's make it easier for eligible voters to vote?!? Back in my grandfather's day, he had to walk uphill past Voldemort probably in the snow to get to the voting booth and he didn't complain and neither did the conservatives. That stuff worked back then and it can work now. PS Grandaddy was black sure that didn't make a difference though.

PSPS Grandaddy wasn't actually Black was just trying to pull the joke off.

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General Comments / Re: What to do with actual election fraud?

« on: December 10, 2020, 01:17:00 PM »

But that doesn't explain why the media pretty much didn't cover any third party options this time around, at all. That's a completely separate issue. The mainstream media did it's level best to rig the election as much as possible in favor of Biden.

So, you're saying the mainstream media didn't cover the third party option of "Libertarians", because that would take votes away from the Democrats? That's not usually the party where libertarian votes tend to go in America, is it? They usually go to Republicans.

Frankly I find it shameful that you use the same phrase "rig the election" for this kind of thing that is used by the conspiracy nuts who argue the election was stolen via, you know, actual election fraud.

By doing this, and by putting this sort of comment in an "election fraud" thread, you're also allying yourself with the lying Trump administration and the various nutjobs who believe it. Like Seriati (and unlike wmLambert who seems to genuinely believe the crap he's saying), it's not as if you actually believe the election was stolen, it's not as if you *actually* believe there was actual significant election fraud, you are just doing your best to muddle the issue with irrelevant nonsense. It's okay that Trump says the "election was stolen"... because the media turned people against him, oh no! But that's a bit of a very different accusation he's making that the election was frozen via election fraud. If Trump was just blaming the media for turning the people unfairly against him, NOBODY WOULD *censored*ING CARE.

All in all, rather dishonest of you. A game of "motte and bailey" where the same phrase "rig the election" is used to mean two different things.

Btw, I don't see you complaining how the evangelical & other religious groups supported Trump, nor do I see you complaining that the various religious groups tried to "rig the election" as much as possible in favour of Trump. I suppose it's excused if you have a direct line from god, telling you that Trump is the chosen one. It's okay to "rig the election" then, when God is telling you to.

Is it okay for religious groups to support Trump, or is that somehow not "rigging the election" according to you?

Aris you're one of my absolute favourite posters (funny thing, my other one atm is Lambert because boy howdy does he just bring the MOST entertaining websites to the party. Stuff I never would have come across in the wild.)

And a large part of that is just how sharp your knives get when anyone, right or left wing, starts acting stupid. It's wildly entertaining. Gotten sliced a time or two myself and I know on at least one occasion I definitely had it coming.

What I'm going to suggest right now is that perhaps your knives are getting just a little too sharp. There's, what, 10 if we're lucky regular posters, put the occasionals like me in there for maybe another ten, and then let's be generous and grant us another twenty lurkers who never post. That's fourty people. Ornery.org is not and never will be the hill where the war was won.

We've made a tradition of not attacking people on a personal level and not questioning people's motives. And while your stated opinions on Seriati and Lambert are ones that I might well share, *I actually enjoy hearing their opinions and arguments even when every part of me thinks they're full of *censored*.*

Where the hell else am I going to find reasonably cogent arguments from the other side in a place where theoretically we can all just sit down and talk without trying to kill each other? (I said reasonably. Even if some people don't give out entirely logical arguments there's value to be had in hearing them make their case.)

The absolute worst type of place this could ever become is an echo chamber, and I start to get concerned when one of the minority is outright being called insane and another is being told that he's a lying liar who lies.

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General Comments / Re: Election Results

« on: December 01, 2020, 03:12:58 PM »

Lock...him? Up!

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/how-the-hunter-biden-laptop-story-disappeared-from-fox-news-prime-time-after-the-election/